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Feb 28, 2017 5:47 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

East End Employers Say Immigrant Workers Pay Taxes, Provide Foundation For Local Economy

For many business owners on the East End, immigrant workers from Central and South America have become the indespensible backbone of their workforce. Many business owners acknowledge the bulk of their workers are not legal residents but do work
Mar 2, 2017 8:13 AM

Business owners across East End trades this week said that if newly aggressive federal deportation policies targeting undocumented immigrants overreach, the effect on the local workforce could threaten their businesses’ ability to operate—and could even drag down the local economy as a whole over time.

Owners and employees of a cross-section of medium-sized businesses in the residential development industry—construction, landscaping and residential painting companies with between 15 and 40 full-time employees—all of whom live in Southampton or East Hampton, spoke this week about their concerns.

None would speak on the record by name, for fear of both legal fallout and becoming the focus of public anger in such a volatile climate, but said that the view of the immigrant community’s importance to the local community is often misunderstood or underestimated by others.

Each of the business owners said that the bulk of their employees are Latino immigrants. Some acknowledged that they are often not certain about a worker’s status, since New York State does not require an employer to verify legal residency of an employee when they file W-2 or 1099 forms linked to a tax identification number. Others said they are aware the majority of their workforce are not legal residents.

But all said that every employee on their crew, documented or not, has a tax ID number or state-issued work permit and pays the full complement of state and federal taxes that any legal resident would pay, and are covered by workmen’s compensation insurance. They said that most other medium or large local companies like theirs have similar arrangements with their employees.

Each also said that, apart from the economic firestorm that would consume their industry if large numbers of immigrants were taken from, or left, the local community, they see most of their employees as upstanding members of the local community: family men, homeowners, devout church-goers and consumers.

Seeing The Need

Most, but not all, of the business owners spoken to said they support Donald Trump and his tough stance on immigration enforcement. They do so in large part because they say they see the impact of companies that, unlike theirs, employ undocumented workers off the books—making it difficult to compete with them in the marketplace.

Those who said they support the president’s approach are confident—or at least hopeful—that the administration’s policies would not cost them the most critical components to their business.

“As a business owner, I see both sides of it,” a Southampton-based painting company owner said. “I do the right thing in terms of taxes and insurance, so I have a certain amount of animus toward the guys I see who aren’t doing the right thing and are charging much less and taking business from me.

“But I also see the need,” he added, with a slight sigh. “We created what we have here, and now we need [immigrant workers] to sustain it. It’s hard for me to say what should be done. Except, I guess, I know what needs to be done: The guys who want to work and are paying their taxes and keeping out of trouble, they should be allowed to stay. But they should definitely go after the bad guys.”

Another business owner echoed the sentiment that tougher immigration enforcement should apply only to violent or repeat criminals, not law-abiding people, and said his immigrant employees do, too.

“These are honest, hard-working guys—that is not who they’re going to go after,” a Southampton landscape company owner said of his impression of federal immigration authorities. “They’re only going after the ones who are killing, and the gang members. My guys understand that what the president is talking about is the criminals. And they want the criminals out too.”

The most recent directives from the Department of Homeland Security set the bar for deportation far lower than the multiple felony convictions that have been the standard trigger for a deportation warrant for the last decade.

Business, Not Greed

Asked why their crews are made up of mostly, if not entirely, immigrant workers, every employer offered a slight variation of the same sentiment: Not because they are cheaper, but because they are the best workers.

“White guys, especially the young ones, don’t really want to work all that hard, and when there’s waves they don’t want to work at all, so they just don’t show up,” said one. “I’ve had white guys, black guys, Spanish guys, Russian guys, Polish guys, Irish guys. The Spanish guys show up to work every day, and they work hard. They would work 60 or 70 hours a week, seven days, if they could.”

Each told a series of very similar anecdotes about their travails as employers in finding and hiring non-immigrant workers.

“I started banging nails as soon as I got out of college, and I’d hire my buddies from high school,” recalled a high-end construction company owner based in East Hampton Town. “They’d be smoking pot in the port-a-potties, doing blow in the office trailer, or they wouldn’t show up. Then, one year, I hired two Colombian guys. They showed up for work, they didn’t drink—and eventually my all-American crew became an all-immigrant crew.”

“I remember my dad’s workers when I was a kid: They were all white, and even then I could tell they were the bottom of the barrel—but that was all you could get back then,” said the painting company owner. “I’ve had two American guys work for me, and they weren’t worth a darn. I get five or 10 Spanish guys looking for jobs every day—nobody of any other race or color has even called for a job.”

A fourth business owner, who is a general contractor based in Hampton Bays, said: “The thing is that out here, the American guys who banged nails or mowed lawns when they were in high school, they go and start their own company instead of working for someone else. So now they need guys working for them. Would I have to pay a white guy more to work for me, yes, but only because he could go do his own thing—or thinks he could.”

A Cottage Industry

Immigrant workers are more than just an expedient business solution to the need for more and more labor in the local economy, one of the businessmen said. They were the foundation that allowed it to rise to a new labor-intensive stratosphere of elegance, ornateness and complexity.

The painting company owner offered that, in the last two decades, the immigrant labor market, particularly among companies not following costly taxation and workman’s comp requirements, allowed the residential development market to grow at an exponentially faster rate and evolve in more labor-dependent ways than it would have otherwise.

“The spec house market was completely dependent on that,” he said of companies staffed by off-the-books immigrant employees. “You take the standard 6,000-square-foot spec house: I have to charge $100,000 to paint that house. But [a spec builder] gets them done for $40,000, because he uses the guys that are paying off the books. If that wasn’t there, all that spec building in Bridgehampton and Water Mill, and all over, that would never have happened … because they wouldn’t be able to make any money.”

Going a step further, the painter said that if the robust supply of immigrant workers were removed or substantially diminished, the demands of the current market could not be met, and that attempts to keep up would likely, over the years, force economic contraction, as services like caring for intricately sculpted landscapes and seemingly endless renovations and expansions of existing homes become more and more expensive, and fewer and fewer homeowners see them as financially worthwhile.

“Eventually,” he said, “even the rich people are going to say it’s not worth it.”

A Catch-22

The employers labored to cast aside a common misconception about undocumented workers: that they are paid substantially less than legal residents and citizens for the same jobs, and that they do not pay taxes.

Each said their immigrant workers typically make the standard wage for the jobs they do. They acknowledged that there are companies dodging the system but said that most of the recognizable names in the development-related trades in this region are following the letter of the law in regard to employees whose immigration status is clouded.

“These guys take deep pride in paying taxes,” a construction company owner said of his employees. “They want to play by the rules, desperately. If they could pay $10,000 or $15,000 to be able to apply [for legal residency] tomorrow, they would do it in a second. They would buy health insurance in a second—if they could. And they are strong and healthy, they eat well, they work hard and are in shape—they would be paying into the system, not taking from it.”

In 2013, the Social Security Administration issued a report on “unauthorized immigrants” that estimated undocumented but on-the-books workers were paying about $12 billion a year into the Social Security program alone. The report pointed out that the vast majority of those workers would never be eligible to receive the benefits of the program later in life like citizens who paid the same amount in taxes would. Additionally, undocumented residents get no tax refunds if they overpay taxes on their wages.

Three employees of one of the business owners who sat in the company’s office on a recent Friday to explain how they came to be part of the massive undocumented workforce, for their part, said that they are happy to pay taxes and would be willing to pay fines or fees for their past immigration violations if it would give them a path to legal residency. Two said they have already spent many thousands trying to find such a path, and in some cases lost tens of thousands more to unscrupulous attorneys who took their payments up front, in cash, and then vanished.

“I tried to come here legally first,” said Jose, a construction worker. “My brother got here by applying. My seven brothers, we all applied. Only one got a visa.”

Jose, who is 29 and a native of Ecuador, said that in his hometown he could work for his father’s masonry business—making about $35 a month. “I make more than that in an hour now,” he said.

Another of the workers, an Ecuadorian immigrant named Gallo, said that he pays more than $20,000 a year in taxes and workman’s comp insurance. In 2006, after being arrested by immigration agents while visiting Niagara Falls, he paid an attorney $35,000 to help him apply for legal residency. The man simply never filed the application and vanished with his money.

Since then Gallo has reported annually to an immigration court judge to show that he is fully employed and paying taxes. He worries now, however, that if he reports to the court again, he could be seized and deported.

“It’s a Catch-22,” said his boss, who said several employees fear they are in a similar bind. “They’re scared to go to the immigration court like they’ve been doing, to show that they’re doing things properly. But if they don’t go, then they’ll get a deportation warrant put on them. So they could get deported if they don’t go—but if they do go, they could still get deported.”

Two of the three men own homes and have young children who are U.S. citizens. They say that in recent weeks they have grown scared of their future in the United States, even though they have seen no actual evidence of deportations from the community.

One, named John, a former Colombian national soccer team member, said that he worries that if he or he and his wife were to be deported, their mortgage would go into default and be seized by a bank—the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars already invested in it simply lost.

His son is an American citizen. When he was 3 he was diagnosed with leukemia and relies on medicines now that he could likely not get if the family left the United States together.

“He has to stay here because he has to keep getting his medicine—if I had to leave, what would become of him,” John said. “My son, he is 10. He tells me all the time, ‘Daddy, be careful.’”

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The more things change, the more they stay the same. First Democrats didn't want to end slavery because "what would happen to our economy???!!"

Now they don't want to end illegal immigration for the same reason
By (Y)eti (5), Southampton on Mar 2, 17 9:05 AM
This is not true at all. It's not that Democrats "don't want to end illegal immigration," but many of them do recognize the value that undocumented workers play in our economy and support a path to legal residence or citizenship for those who are here already. That's completely different from wanting illegal immigration to continue as is.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 2, 17 9:56 AM
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That is one of the more ignorant statements I have read lately. To begin with, 19th century Republicans would be kin to today's Democrats and vice versa. There was a polar shift in American party politics post Great Depression.

I see the same things described in this article in my current industry. For the record, there are young guys who are go getters, and those who are not. And, for the record it ain't sanitation.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 2, 17 6:20 PM
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You see the same things? You mean "lazy white men"? Huh, that's an interesting observation. So brown and black men have a great work ethic, but white men, well, not so much.

Funny world we live in. If I don't hire someone because of their criminal record, apparently that's a form of racism, assuming the applicant is a minority. If I use the term "illegal alien", I'm a bigot because I'm supposed to use "immigrant".

But if I want to denigrate "white men" as group, well, that's just ...more
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on Mar 3, 17 2:03 PM
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Nice quotes.

Too bad you didn't lift them from my post, 'cause that's what's called "defamation".
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 5, 17 8:55 AM
Uhm, so anti-white, racist generalizations about white men being "lazy" are ok to print? Really? That's ok now? Michael Wright, I'm talking to you. Are you trying to send a message to young white men that you're valued less because of their skin color?

I'll tell you what, if I find out who's using illegal alien labor, I'm going to report you to DHS, and I hope you lose everything. Your business. Your house. Your liberty. You belong in jail.

Don't believe for one second this isn't ...more
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on Mar 2, 17 9:29 AM
Today, from Newsday: "The three slayings are among as many as nine recent killings or disappearances in the Brentwood area that investigators believe are linked to “an extremely violent” group of young MS-13 members recently arrived on Long Island from Central America, the sources said. Newsday has previously reported on the existence of this group of new arrivals."

Every one of the employers who happily breaks federal law by hiring illegals and thereby encouraging more is effectively ...more
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on Mar 2, 17 9:39 AM
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Oh, this should be good. So much denial already, I love it.

First of all, I can guarantee you that most of these contractors are registered Republicans and voted for Trump so any claim that this is a Democrat or Liberal backlash is completely false.

Secondly, sweeping generalizations aside, it is completely accurate that the migrant worker works more hours for less pay. This is attractive for the contractor for obvious reasons. This is how capitalism works. If you don't like ...more
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Mar 2, 17 9:47 AM
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Capitalism works by utilizing the cheapest labor you can find, even if it means breaking the law to do so? If we don't like it we can leave? So are you anti-union too? Surely cheaper workers can be found to replace those currently enjoying the protection of a union, right?
By ChrisDiPetta (37), on Mar 2, 17 9:53 AM
Not in the slightest. All I'm saying is you can't have your cake and eat it too. Try and think about that for a while.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Mar 3, 17 11:34 AM
You should be sure you're being logical before adopting a haughty tone. Though, as a left winger, I understand that's difficult for you to manage.

There's really not going to be any reasoning with you, because I've seen this from leftists before. You think capitalism is evil, spawns more evil, and therefore if someone is pro-capitalist they must accept anything any business does, which is ridiculous assertion borne out of your cartoon caricature of what capitalism is.

They are ...more
By NateNewtown (99), east on Mar 3, 17 2:12 PM
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By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Mar 6, 17 8:55 AM
Next beer is on me Mike Wright. Good stuff.
By Brandon Quinn (191), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 17 9:50 AM
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Jose makes $35 an hour . How much does he pay in medical insurance ?
By AndersEn (174), Southampton on Mar 2, 17 10:57 AM
So, cause it's easy and cheap to run my business illegally, we should feel bad for those who got rich doing it!!!
I have to get my aspirin........
Whacked!!!!!!!! Out of frigging minds!!
By Rayman (64), southampton on Mar 2, 17 11:21 AM
Seriously Michael?!
So much for fair, Un-biased and well researched reporting. Liberal one sided reporting is not reporting.
By Hillsnbells (43), Southampton on Mar 2, 17 11:30 AM
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By Hillsnbells (43), Southampton on Mar 2, 17 11:30 AM
kind of makes it sound like the white guys who used to do these jobs didn't pay taxes or contribute to the economy.
By clamdigger (85), Quogue on Mar 2, 17 11:46 AM
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The white guy I'm paying cash to build my house right now is definitely not telling the IRS about it!
By em (51), sagaponack on Mar 2, 17 2:53 PM
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This white guy aint lazy, unfortunately when you have to pay taxes, and dont get medicaid its hard to work for 15 dollars an hr. Illegals paying taxes is a fallacy!
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Mar 2, 17 12:43 PM
There is a clear distinction between immigration, and ILLEGAL immigration. Just as citizens are expected to obey laws (both criminal and procedural), so should be those who wish to immigrate to this country.

Local businesses should be no different. If you want to operate, and operate legally, follow the law. Hire workers with the legal status to work here. What these guys should do instead of getting together to whine, is to get together and commit to only hiring legal, tax-paying workers. ...more
By Mouthampton (439), Southampton on Mar 2, 17 1:17 PM
Serious question: article says illegal immigrants pay their fair share of taxes, have tax ID numbers and fill out the forms (W-2 etc.). "every employee on their crew, documented or not, has a tax ID number or state-issued work permit and pays the full complement of state and federal taxes that any legal resident would pay, and are covered by workmen’s compensation insurance." How is that possible, if they are illegal or undocumented, how do they have a valid Tax ID number or state issued ...more
By savcr01 (1), manorville on Mar 2, 17 1:41 PM
I can answer this. Illegal aliens can and do apply for ITIN (Taxpayer identification numbers). All but a small minority of ITIN users are illegal aliens. Typically they will claim the maximum exemption to ensure deductions are the absolute minimum. Then, if filing would bring them a refund, they do it. How could they be getting a refund after paying almost nothing in federal income taxes? Child tax credits. In 2007 the IRS Inspector General estimated about $2.4 billion in fraudulent payments of ...more
Mar 2, 17 1:51 PM appended by ChrisDiPetta
To be clear, the Child Tax Credit is not a deduction, but a payout. So if the filer paid nothing in income taxes, but files for 4 child tax credits, they will get a $4000 check.
By ChrisDiPetta (37), on Mar 2, 17 1:51 PM
Thank you for that info and also the statistic with respect to how our social services are defrauded - very informative....and another example of WHY the undocumented should be citizens first and wage earners second...

By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Mar 2, 17 2:35 PM
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I guess this is the grand ol' argument for ignoring illegal immigration. I didn't know that all white guys were lazy potheads and cokeheads. Thanks for enlightening me. Now I have to get back to work, as I have tons of bills and taxes to pay. You know, like my mortgage on my single family home. Yep. My American Dream. Or should I be more concerned with the other guys American dream?
By Lets go mets (377), Southampton on Mar 2, 17 2:56 PM
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"None would speak on the record". That's because they aren't hiring immigrants. They are hiring fugitives.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Mar 2, 17 4:18 PM
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This article is disgraceful. I have seen ridiculous liberal articles from the Press before, but this is maybe the worst. Once again they are mixing illegal immigration and legal immigration. Can I FOIL the names of the contractors and get them to my friends at the IRS? ChrisDiPietra, you have missed a very important piece of the employment tax law. An illegal immigrant cannot be an employee. PERIOD. Illegal immigrants can voluntarily pay taxes as an independent contractor, but employers cannot ...more
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 17 5:05 PM
I run a farm and just had a few immigrants came by looking for work but the problem I have is they are asking for 25 dollars an hour. that means ill have to ask ten dollars a tomato Can someone tell me what happen to minimum wage ?
By spruce (8), Riverhead on Mar 2, 17 5:07 PM
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Your not the only one to come across this.....Day laborers who stand across from McDonalds in SH wont budge for less than $20- $25 an hour!! From what I understand, the "Coyotes" set the rate for these immigrants seeking work. The farmers in SH cant afford to pay that rate so it sounds like they have migrated to u .
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Mar 3, 17 8:10 AM
EM, you are part of the problem, paying cash, not paying taxes. Is the white guy bringing his crew or is he a one man band?
There are thousands of LEGAL construction and landscape people that would travel here for work...
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Mar 2, 17 11:34 PM
Hampton Bays seems to have a large population of immigrants. Many own and operate businesses that benefit the local economy. Others work hard in the trades and manual labor. their children attend local schools and are pretty well behaved. Can't really tell their statues but deporting them now would seem counterproductive and just wrong.
Most of the youngsters seem to have been born here and are citizens by birth. Deporting their parents or grandparents is just crazy. time for some type ...more
By John GORMAN (4), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 17 3:12 AM
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According to the 2010 US Census, 35% of the households in Hampton Bays spoke a language other than English at home. Extrapolate to the next Census and that number will be 50%, therefore >50% of the population will come from these households, or as we like to call it in a democracy, the majority.
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Mar 3, 17 7:38 AM
The vast majority of illegal aliens here work for cash off the books and pay nothing in taxes other sales taxes and property taxes if you count overcrowded rental properties.

I wonder if the reporter asked to verify any of the contractors payroll records or just took their word for it over the phone. I think i know the answer to that one.

Way to bend the fact to fit a narrative. FAKE NEWS at it's FAKIEST!
By fishy (92), East Hampton on Mar 3, 17 9:06 AM
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Mr. Gorman, are you saying only immigrants work hard and add to the community? I want the playing field to be level for everyone - to have access to legal financing, pay employees a fair wage, pay all taxes and insurance. The illegal underground cash economy has ruined the East End of Long Island It has fueled the over development of the East End - boohoo for Mr. Farrell that he can't build another $10 million house. The cash economy fuels human trafficking (look to the Nail Salons in NYC), ...more
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 17 9:11 AM
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If you are here illegally then you are breaking the law, you need to go. If that affects these businesses so be it. I don't get rewarded for breaking the law, neither should these criminals or the crooked people who hire them. In fact they should quadruple any fine any employer faces for hiring criminal aliens.
By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on Mar 3, 17 9:20 AM
Wow, this is discrimination against white men!! Why doesn't the person who made this comment in the article reveal his name "White guys, especially the young ones, don’t really want to work all that hard, and when there’s waves they don’t want to work at all, so they just don’t show up" Let's flood his office with white guy applications and when they don't get the jobs over ILLEGAL immigrants, let's file for discrimination!! Does anyone know how an ILLEGAL immigrant ...more
By countrymaus (2), East Hampton on Mar 3, 17 11:37 AM
Wait, the part about young white men not showing up to work when there is surf is totally true for a chunk of people in our area...

Been observing this for the last 10 +years
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Mar 3, 17 12:13 PM
It's funny. Go to the beach when there's surf on a weekday and you'll see so many guys surfing and you're like don't you have a job or have school? I now have a job with vacation days but when I was on a paint crew 20 years ago my surfer friends would ditch whenever there were waves. It hasn't changed.
By lirider (288), Hampton Bays on Mar 4, 17 7:30 AM
Just because you're in denial about the truth does not make it Fake News. Just stop with that.

If everyone is so up in arms about this, I would love to see somebody try to do something about it. But I'm gonna go ahead and assume that ya'll will just sit here and post lots of angry messages in CAPS instead while multi-million dollar mansions continue to get built, our land continues to disappear, GC's continue to profit, and illegals continue to flood the area.

As a wise man once ...more
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Mar 3, 17 11:58 AM
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From my observations, the underground cash economy has ruined the east end. Generally, "Pigs get fed and hogs get slaughtered" - but here the hogs got fed too. Hopefully, that will change.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 17 1:02 PM
So if the undocumented immigrant will do the work for pay that the citizen will not, then these employers are exploiting the immigrant community. These employers are cheating the undocumented immigrants by paying them less because of their status. Why won't the Southampton Press go after these oppressive employers?!?!? Why is the Press protecting the Oppressors ?!?!?!
By CleanWaters (80), Southampton on Mar 3, 17 1:15 PM
There is enough blame to go around on this issue EXCEPT the hard working middle class that have tried to follow the rules.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 17 2:19 PM
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you cuties are all so sensitive. why not just try to think about how this article is a snapshot of what is happening in our community that incorporates the voices of actual people from our community, rather than jumping up to shout about how you think you're being attacked (hint: middle class white people of the hamptons, this article is not anti-you)
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Mar 3, 17 2:27 PM
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First why did you assume I was "white"? By definition if preferential treatment is given to one class of people (Pick one - any one) it is discriminatory against every other person. I have been called a lot of things in my six decades here on this planet - but "sensitive" is not one of them.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 17 3:14 PM
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LOL, yeah, I'm sure you'd have the same reaction if those voices said "I don't hire black males because they're lazy".
By NateNewtown (99), east on Mar 3, 17 4:48 PM
If you are directing that at me, I would absolutely have the same reaction. Everyone should be treated fairly no matter what ethnic background, gender, religion, etc. That is exactly my point - level field for everyone. No one is above (or below) the law. period.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 17 4:53 PM
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My comment was not specifically directed at you, it was directed towards everyone who is complaining about feeling 'attacked' by this article.
Any my comment only says that the article does not attack white people.
You are though, the perfect example of the knee-jerk whiner that I was describing (no matter what ethnicity or religion or age or sex or gender you are).
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Mar 4, 17 9:11 AM
What knee-jerk reaction, "cutie?"
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 4, 17 9:32 AM
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This article makes it sound like the entire construction industry is fueled by illegal immigration - otherwise deportation is a non-issue. Why does it cost $250 sf to build a house on the east end when it costs $100 a sf elsewhere in the Country? Where is the money going? Is the over development fueled by the illegal immigration and the illegal immigration is fueled by the over-development? Ad.....wp. This is not a "knee jerk reaction to anything "cutie". From what i see this is a major issue ...more
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 4, 17 11:35 AM
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What do you want to have happen? Deport half the population of Hampton Bays? Or provide a legal residency for undocumented residents? Quite the conundrum.
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Mar 4, 17 11:52 AM
There are 14,000 residents - do you know that about 7,000 are illegal immigrants? I don't know that, but the government should and start to deal with it is a positive way. You can only sweep things under the rug for so long, before everyone starts to trip over it. Like AA, Step 1 - admit you have a problem.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 4, 17 12:38 PM
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Yeah....The young white guys do not want to go into the construction industry anymore...Can you blame them? English is the second language on most job sites most of the day.

The older white guys that know what they're doing get stuck trying to decipher broken English,or wondering if he actually understood what you said when you explained how to do something for 10 minutes and they say "yes"

I'm personally not anti-immigrant,some of my favorite people I've ever worked with were ...more
By faceless2 (4), southampton on Mar 4, 17 12:36 PM
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There were no "white guys" available here for farm labor when farming was what the construction industry is now. Instead, farmers housed crews of black men who'd come up from the South just for the harvest season. No immigration issues, of course, but an issue of worker shortages. Even then. Also, I remember an influx of workers from Puerto Rico which was new to us locals, and causing quite a stir. For some reason, those workers disappeared--maybe b/c it was toward the end of the potato farming ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 4, 17 2:09 PM
I do believe in immigration reform however most all illegal immigrants have two names and they have a fake social security card for collecting a paycheck and the other fake name to collect welfare and wic. There wives are doing the same thing and both are collecting for the kids. Estimated cost to tax payers 15 billion per year. They broke the law when they came over the boarder and now the are federally stealing and money laundering when they send this money back over the boarder. Absolute criminals!!!!! ...more
By Eeuu (12), Hampton bays on Mar 4, 17 9:15 PM
2 wrongs don't make a right, Wright.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Mar 5, 17 8:03 AM
..but it does make a "left" (couldn't resist). If the situation of illegal immigration on the east end is as widespread as the media, activists and zealots are making it out to be, there needs to be immediate action. This issue has been pushed under the rug for too long...but yet a group, once again had no problem going to the Town Board meeting and asking them to once again "bend the rules" and "look the other way" and ask the Board members to violate their oath of office. I wonder if that is ...more
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 5, 17 8:48 AM
"there needs to be immediate action".
What specific actions do you advocate?

There are over 7,000 people in Hampton Bays alone that come from non English speaking households -- don't quibble, google "US Census" and "Hampton Bays" if you don't believe me -- what percent of them are undocumented? At least 50% are probably undocumented but let's say it's only 20%, what would you do to those 1400 people in HB alone?

What do you think should be done with them? Don't be coy, just ...more
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Mar 5, 17 3:27 PM
First of all, I assumed (until now), that the immigrant population on the east end was mostly legal. From the reaction of the liberal media, activists and zealots, I am now thinking I am wrong. Either the liberal media, activists and zealots are using the east end immigrants to move forward their liberal national agenda or there really is a large percentage of undocumented immigrants on the east end. That is the first question that needs to get answered. How to fix it? That is above my pay ...more
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 5, 17 4:59 PM
It is to laugh....
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 5, 17 5:51 PM
Deport them all immediately.
On there way out of the country they can each p/u an extra 100 bucks for turning in the company they were working for.
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Mar 6, 17 4:56 PM
"above my pay grade."

Yes, I figured you would complain without offering a solution or even a suggestion of a solution.

By dfree (818), hampton bays on Mar 5, 17 5:44 PM
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OK here is a start - every single contractor on the east end should be audited by the Internal Revenue Service for income and employment taxes and the NYS Department of Taxation and Finance for income taxes, payroll taxes, unemployment taxes sales and use taxes. This should include every C Corporation, S Corporation, LLC, LLP, and individual d/ba.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 5, 17 5:56 PM
and also audit to make sure that all employers have proper Form I-9's on file (and if you don't know what that is - look it up)
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 5, 17 6:09 PM
in 2011, North Carolina needed 6500 farmworkers. Only 268 non-immigrants applied. 245 were hired, but only 163 showed up on the first day, and only 7 lasted till the end of the growing season.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 5, 17 5:57 PM
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By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 5, 17 5:58 PM
....and I seriously hope my old buddies at the IRS are reading all this.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 5, 17 5:59 PM
All those that seem to be in the know of the magnitude of the illegal immigration and related other illegal activity on the east end basically hung a neon sign on Manorville Road and Sunrise Highway that says "Tax Cheats and Illegal Immigrants Live and Work Here" for every federal and state agent to see. The court of public opinion doesn't really matter when you are breaking federal and state laws.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 5, 17 6:27 PM
Is the United States creating a permanent servant class? Are Browns becoming modern day serfs?
By Duckbornandraised (184), Eastport on Mar 5, 17 10:27 PM
UPS delivery drivers? Can't wait for the summer and the shorts.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Mar 6, 17 1:04 AM

Hope you are all very proud of yourselves, and you know who you are !


Malik Obama shares photo of brother Barack’s Kenya ‘certificate of birth’
MARCH 9, 2017
An Obama has joined the birther movement.

Malik Obama, Barack Obama’s half-brother, tweeted image of what appears to be Barack’s birth certificate.

Except ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Mar 9, 17 8:59 PM
Expect a fight... because If this birth certificate from his brother is real It would
mean that all of Obama's executive orders, federal court appointees and Supreme Court selections would be null and void.

Byb Bye Sotomayor ?

Could you Imagine if Kagan and Sotomayor were nullified and Trump got to pick two replacements OMG that would be the ultimate lesson in Karma !

By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Mar 9, 17 9:27 PM
This fraud proven what? 7 years ago? Kenyan birth certificates use the metric system so birth weight would never be in pounds and ounces plus the birthdate starts with the year, not the month.
You dupes will fall for anything. Even fake presidents.

Trumpty Dumpty promised a wall
Trumpty Dumpty lied to you all
All the billionaires, fascists, and corporate conmen
Tricked the racists
To get all their taxes cut again
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 10, 17 8:18 PM
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You guys believe this nonsense and then accuse others of buying into fake news? Seriously?
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 10, 17 8:27 PM
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This is pretty good:

Charles Stein · Eastern Washington University

"Dad, why do poor people always wear ugly clothes? Why doesn't someone make them live in another country? Why don't we make everything so expensive that no poor people can live here? If they can't buy food they'd have to move away, right Dad?"

"You've got the right instincts Donald, but you've got to institutionalize a universal dislike for poor people so that regular people will be able to watch the ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 11, 17 5:11 PM
That is some sick excrement JuneZ, even for you
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 12, 17 9:52 AM
They do provide the foundation, and the window installation and the landscaping and the framing, the painting, the carpentry, the finishing and the roofing. Problem is, they it's an underground economy.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Mar 10, 17 7:24 AM
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By Eeuu (12), Hampton bays on Mar 10, 17 8:02 PM
95%? Where are you getting this figure?
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 10, 17 8:23 PM
Stopping and controlling illegal immigration should be a non partisan issue. A nations needs to have borders and rules enforced. That's why it's called a nation. Being against illegal immigration does not mean that you are against immigration. As far as those that are hear illegally, they took advantage of a lax system to avoid poverty in their native nations. The U.S. government should immediately deport all those who have criminal records in the U.S. and then provide a legal option for others ...more
By bluefish (11), springs on Mar 12, 17 6:21 PM