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Mar 24, 2018 2:25 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

East End Residents Participate In Marches Protesting Gun Violence

Conor, left, Jay, Grace and Wendy Flanagan participating in the March For Our Lives in Sag Harbor. JON WINKLER
Mar 27, 2018 6:03 PM

A strong breeze blew in from Long Wharf in Sag Harbor on Saturday. That gust would normally barrel down Main Street, but on this Saturday there was a buffer blocking the wind: a throng of people, young and old, making a statement against gun violence in schools.

March For Our Lives, a national day of protest to advocate for gun control, was observed not only by marchers traveling to Washington, D.C., for the main march but also by people joining marches locally in Sag Harbor and Southampton on Saturday.

Plans for the protest, with hundreds of local events being held across the country, arose in the aftermath of the February 14 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

In Sag Harbor, residents gathered at Long Wharf at 11 a.m. to walk up and down the Main Street sidewalks in a loop. Chants of “What do we want? Gun control! When do we want it? Now!” and “My school, my child!” and “This is what democracy looks like!” were shouted on both sides of Main Street as marchers covered the sidewalks.

Scores of residents of all ages gathered with homemade signs to share their own statements calling for expanded gun control. The statements ranged from “You can put silencers on guns but you can’t put silencers on people,” to “Books not bullets” to “Enough is enough.”

Among the protesters were a sister and brother, Grace and Conor Flanagan, ages 12 and 15, who both attend Sag Harbor’s Pierson Middle-High School and had joined the march with their parents, Wendy and Jay Flanagan.

“I think every person here today makes a difference,” Grace said. “I know some people in my class are here, too.”

“Gun violence is mentioned a lot in my school,” Conor said.

“I think it’s better to have kids talking about guns than having to pick them up from an incident like Parkland,” Mr. Flanagan said.

Before the march, organizer Sinéad Murray, a senior at Pierson Middle-High School, had two speakers address the crowd. One speaker was Gianna Gregorio, an East Hampton High School senior who participated in the school walkout protesting gun violence earlier this month.

“When I protested in the East Hampton High School walkout, many cried out that [students in the walkout] politicized the Parkland shooting,” Gianna said. “But commemoration of that action is futile—this is an inherently political issue, and thoughts and prayers cannot prevent another tragedy. So we protest, not for an agenda but for our lives.”

Jackie Hilly, former executive director of New Yorkers for Gun Safety, also took the microphone. She said a “nightmare” of a bill passed in December, cosponsored by U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin, that allows people to carry concealed weapons in New York if they have concealed carry permits from other states.

“New York State has approximately 100,000 concealed carry permit holders who are mostly retired law enforcement officers, people with businesses who carry cash and people who have orders of protection issued in their benefit,” Ms. Hilly said. “The State of Florida alone, which is only one of 50 states, as you know, has 1.8 million concealed carry permit holders issued to people like George Zimmerman, who will be coming to our neighborhoods with their loaded and concealed guns.”

After the march, Sinéad said she was very impressed not only with the turnout but the age range of attendees at the march, specifically noting how she saw a baby holding a sign criticizing the NRA.

“I think it’s a really good sample of all the people who believe in this,” Sinéad said. “I think ages range from 6 months old to 60.”

She also noted how many were also students at Pierson, both her own age and in the middle school grades. “More and more, students are realizing that it could be us or any town across the country,” she said, noting the growing fear of school shootings.

In Southampton, the event held in solidarity with March For Our Lives was called “March For Safe Schools” in an effort to emphasize the safety of schoolchildren. Starting at noon, the event had participants walking from Town Hall to Agawam Park.

“It was great to see kids show up to support this,” Christopher Matamoros, 13, said. “People need to actually start paying attention to protecting kids so that they can go home to their families after school.”

“It was really cool to see how so many students are united together today, to, hopefully, change the nation,” Sophia Skoldberg, 13, said. “I think it’s important that we tell people what we think. I know kids who are afraid to go to school because of what happened in Parkland. It’s important to be able to go to school and be able to get your education without having to worry about that.”

“It just shows how we can unite together and make change,” said Michaela Schulman, 13. “Our generation is ready to vote and we can definitely change what goes on in our country. Part of it has to do with bullying. These kids that get made fun of every day, it’s not right.”

Meanwhile, East Hampton Town Councilwoman Kathee Burke-Gonzalez and her daughter, Nina, joined other East End residents on a trip to the nation’s capital to participate in the widely publicized march. And Suffolk County Executive Steve Bellone issued a statement on Saturday supporting the young people participating in the marches.

“Today, thousands of students across the country have come together to speak up and demand action so they no longer must fear for their safety,” Mr. Bellone said. “Our young people have become courageous leaders who have inspired a nation, and their voices must be heard.”

Governor Andrew Cuomo also issued a statement about the marches after marching himself in New York City.

“Today says, we’re not taking it anymore and the NRA is not going to win the day,” Mr. Cuomo said. “The people of the United States are going to win the day and common sense is going to win the day.”

Staff writer Michael Wright contributed to this story.

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So much for their fake claim that it was “NOT a protest for or against gun laws". Virtually every sign was demanding more gun regulation and laws. Plus their speakers waxed on and on about gun laws. Not to mention it quickly turned into an anti-republican political rally. I wonder how violent they would have gotten at their “anti-violence” rally if a Republican showed up with a sign that said “We Need More Mental Illness Laws” or “Guns don’t shoot themselves ...more
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 24, 18 3:27 PM
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By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 24, 18 3:27 PM
The 'Pawns of Parkland' seem to have forgotten every level of government let them down that tragic day.
By Duckbornandraised (184), Eastport on Mar 24, 18 4:51 PM
If you really care about the children... then concentrate on the hardening of our school security instead of trying to take away our constitutional rights.

The right to bare arms shall not be infringed Mr. Hogg
Mar 24, 18 5:00 PM appended by joe hampton
Today's protest that included no diversity of thought on stage is exactly what the 'progressives' who are behind the protest are all about. Now they just need to take the guns away from citizenry and criminalize all speech other than government controlled speech...
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Mar 24, 18 5:00 PM
Wear all the tank tops you want to but the Constitution speaks to the right to bear arms, meaning to carry them, not to show us your naked appendages. What a perfect example of a buffoon who understands nothing of the Constitution.

I suppose that's par for the course, though, for those who refuse to acknowledge the "well regulated" portion of the amendment and think that carrying any firearm they can imagine is somehow a protected right.

You then embarrass yourself further by ...more
By VOS (1241), WHB on Mar 24, 18 8:09 PM
Vos, another one using the "well regulated" argument. You really need to tone down the stupid.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 24, 18 9:40 PM
"Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose. For example, the majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues. Although we do not ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 25, 18 1:45 PM
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Yeah, he also dispelled the the argument of "a well regulated militia".
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 25, 18 5:58 PM
By using precedents set by Confederate states, and ignoring grammar.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 26, 18 6:17 AM
Stop using our kids to try and win your political battles. Maybe we should put all our kids out there tomorrow for an anti abortion march, I bet the Press won't be there to take a hundred pictures of that protest. Enough already . Concentrate on mental health in making our schools safer.
Mar 24, 18 5:12 PM appended by widow gavits
Concentrate on mental health and making our schools safer.
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Mar 24, 18 5:12 PM
LOL to all of the above comments...these people are angry b/c the protest against gun violence mentions gun control measures!
Here's the deal: most American's do not want 'assault style' weapons available to consumers and we're going to bring this to the supreme court to figure it out.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Mar 24, 18 5:27 PM
You cannot claim to be pro-life if you are opposed to common-sense gun safety laws.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 24, 18 5:52 PM
Widow, the March for Life is held every year in D.C. since 1974 and many people bring children of all ages. You might have heard that Mike Pence was there last year and Donald Trump addressed the crowd this year.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 24, 18 6:03 PM
It was the kids who organized this and gave the speeches. If they feel that strongly about it maybe we shoild listen.
By tenn tom (259), remsenburg on Mar 24, 18 6:05 PM
Yes, Widow G. Planned Parenthood is in with the march. Ironic they have no issue with killing children as long as it's done by a doctor's scalpel and called abortion. Then they sell the body parts to the highest bidder.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 24, 18 6:27 PM
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Well adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp , you had better ban package bombs, planes,knives,cars and trucks too !
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Mar 24, 18 6:40 PM
No need to distort the issue. This is not about banning guns.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 24, 18 6:53 PM
Michelle and Barack are so inspired by Anti-American celebrations

"Michelle and I are so inspired by all the young people marching today"...translation...Michelle and I are enemies of the constitution and are elated that the schools are indoctrinating the youth of today in like manner.
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Mar 24, 18 7:04 PM
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Nonsense as usual.
Until a fetus can live outside the womb, there is no "child" or (ensouled) person. Aborting such a fetus is not "killing a child".
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 24, 18 7:08 PM
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Idiocy.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 24, 18 7:12 PM
keep telling yourself that.
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Mar 24, 18 7:12 PM
Meant for you, Ditch. But you knew that.....
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 24, 18 7:19 PM
Most Liberal Americans don’t even know what they are taking about when they say the phrase “assault weapon”. The title "assault weapon" is a made up term invented by the gun control advocates to make for a scary sound bite. Most Liberal Americans have no clue that there is NO DIFFERENCE in the bullet size, magazine capacity, and effect on a human between an old fashioned wood stock rifle a lá Elmer Fudd and an evil “assault style weapon” of equal caliber. Once ...more
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 24, 18 7:28 PM
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Assault weapon is a term used in the United States to define some types of firearms.[1] The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a vertical forward grip, flash suppressor or barrel shroud.[1][2] Some firearms are specified by name.[3] At the time that the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban passed in 1994, the U.S. Department of Justice said, "In general, ...more
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Mar 25, 18 2:47 PM
With-out 2a you don't have 1A . Just look at what happened in the UK.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Mar 24, 18 6:38 PM
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At least one gentleman in the photo has the decency to mention the 58 Las Vegas victims on his protest sign. I know, I know, the folks at the Vegas concert were country music loving conservatives so they don't count in the eyes of liberals.
By BruceB (142), Sag Harbor on Mar 24, 18 7:56 PM
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You're right. If it doesn't fit the liberal agenda....you won't hear about it, period.
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Mar 25, 18 1:35 PM
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@junebug
"Until a fetus can live outside the womb, there is no "child""...tell that to the parents of a stillborn.

I'd like someone to ask these youths if they no the reason why the 2nd amendment is critical to a sovereign nation. My guess is they will all open up a smart device and try to figure it out, until someone (generally right leaning) comes along and tells them it's not, don't listen, your doing great.

I am for stricter gun control. Terrorist watch list, nope, you ...more
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 24, 18 8:09 PM
Are we to infer it was essential you had a gun in the face of Mrs. Whitman's pronouncement?
Mar 24, 18 8:52 PM appended by June Bug
The stillborn was not viable in or out of the womb. No personhood involved. Hence, not a child.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 24, 18 8:52 PM
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By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 25, 18 1:02 AM
Polemics, anyone?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 24, 18 8:53 PM
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Hey. How many of you pro-NRA posters are a member of a militia? If you're not then 2nd amendment doesn't apply to you. The first part of the sentence cannot be simply ignored.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

When you ignore part one then it stands that it is legal to use deadly force in any circumstance. For example, as explained in this sentence:

"The right ...more
By Arnold Timer (327), Sag Harbor on Mar 24, 18 9:30 PM
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Arnold, you are clearly uninformed. Please educate yourself before exposing yourself. Are you really using the "well regulated militia" argument?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 24, 18 9:38 PM
That has to be one of the most pedantic illogical arguments I have ever seen. It makes no sense whatsoever. There are two parts of the 2A: 1) well regulated militia COMMA, 2) right of the people to keep and bear arms. It’s the second part we are defending and discussing. As for your “deadly force” weirdness, the 1A could say that people have the right to free speech but only if it doesn’t hurt anyone’s feelings, or offends anyone, or is deemed to be a microaggression- ...more
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 25, 18 10:32 AM
In grammar, the first words of a clause like the Second Amendment are what is referred to as an "absolute phrase". Such a phrase modifies the entire clause. So, consider yourself informed of Arnold's extremely valid point.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 25, 18 2:09 PM
Gratuitous nonsense.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 25, 18 5:57 PM
Mr. Z that’s hilarious (and kind of embarrassing for you) that you think you are smarter and better versed on the grammar of 2A than both the USDCA and the SCOTUS. As reported by the New York Times (your Bible of all things liberal): "According to the [D.C. circuit court of appeals], the second comma divides the amendment into two clauses: one 'prefatory' and the other 'operative.' On this reading, the bit about a well-regulated militia is just preliminary throat clearing; the framers don't ...more
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 25, 18 7:32 PM
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Do you have to register a militia? There must be plenty of undocumented militia groups. I believe they’re called, the good ol’ boys.
By pigroast (100), East Quogue on Mar 24, 18 11:03 PM
@ localEH, BruceB, joe hampton, xtiego, Undocumented Democrat, Erin 27 E , widow gavits, Ditch Bum, Duckbornandraised, 27dan & toes in the water

Now is the time for you lot to get together and organize a "March AGAINST Gun Control".

Oh, wait, you can't do that because the liberal media and entertainment establishments are conspiring to prevent you.

Could it be, as well, that Americans, by a 2-1 margin, WANT MORE gun control laws?

Nah! Your opinions aren't unpopular. ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Mar 25, 18 8:40 AM
Of course you welcome your little indoctrinees - that’s a lot of work you’ve put in brainwashing them. Glad you think putting the decision on who runs our country in the hands of children who eat Tide Pods, play video games 12 hours a day, worship the Kardashians, and have the highest suicide rate ever because they only value themselves by how may Likes and Friends they have on social media. Sorry but you’re not changing a Constitutional right any time soon. Keep dreaming.
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 25, 18 10:38 AM
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There's probably more than a few former mud-eaters in the White House, the point being kids don't stay kids and they'll inherit this country whether you like it or not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 25, 18 10:47 AM
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Thank God the Founding Fathers had the foresight to guarantee our RIGHT to own firearms.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 25, 18 9:21 AM
@bigfresh et al: 2A is an amendment, not a commandment. And an amendment can be--you know, amended.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 25, 18 11:04 AM
Yee gads, don't confuse him with accurate history and reality!

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle !!!
By Nero (301), Sag Harbor on Mar 25, 18 11:10 AM
The words "God", or "Almighty", or "Jesus" do not appear in the United States Constitution.
Mar 25, 18 1:18 PM appended by Mr. Z
The Faiths of the Founding Fathers, By David L. Holmes
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 25, 18 1:18 PM
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"The words "God", or "Almighty", or "Jesus" do not appear in the United States Constitution"

Further imbecilic statements.

The words "Almighty", "God", or "Jesus" would have no place in the constitution of a nation trying to identify itself as led by the people, not by a divine power as England did. That is why we have a Deceleration of Independence that DOES contain numerous mentions of a Divine power granting the people rights Divine in nature, sacred, and unalienable.

The ...more
Mar 25, 18 4:24 PM appended by Bayman3142
So consider yourself informed of bigfresh's completely logical statement.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Mar 25, 18 4:24 PM
The word used is "Creator". Also used is the "Laws of Nature and Nature's God". Nowhere does the word "Divine" appear.

Kind of open ended. Probably hard for a zealot to accept it's not his "God" which is cited.
Mar 25, 18 4:33 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Divine" appear but when followed by the word "Providence".
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 25, 18 4:33 PM
The word used is "Creator"....

"In the beginning GOD CREATED heaven and earth."
Gen 1:1

Imbecilic statement....along the lines of

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."
Or
."The crux of the issue is that when you enslave a being, it's worse than murder"

Both of which there is no evidence of....

You are truly on a roll.
Mar 25, 18 4:48 PM appended by Bayman3142
BTW...I am far from a zealot, what I am tho is someone, when called into question by another, who expects reasoning. You have done one, but not the other. I am merely trying to get a simple answer to a few statements you made. Hard to do for a mythomaniac.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Mar 25, 18 4:48 PM
Over 200 years ago, these men were already way ahead of you. They saw the destruction and death wrought by superstition, ignorance, and fear.

Bring us a book penned by "god" untouched by human hands, and maybe you'll have something.
Mar 25, 18 4:50 PM appended by Mr. Z
As far as mythomania, perhaps you should take a hard look at the White House. Maybe you could find a patient there.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 25, 18 4:50 PM
Divine providence is God, you should look it up.
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 25, 18 5:19 PM
Which one?

Zeus, Iaweh, Iehovah, Allah, Buddha, Kronos, etc., etc., etc.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 25, 18 5:23 PM
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Mr. Z, I have a computer question for you. My Dell seems to have suffered a electrical surge, somewhat like a lightning strike. It appears the "brains" of my computer are fried. All that happens when I power it up is a endless loop of random, nonsensical gibberish. Should I just junk this thing?

And now to answer your question I hope.....i Actually researched this, once I started it was quite interesting.

George Washington
1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously ...more
Mar 26, 18 12:11 AM appended by Bama-Slama
Say what you want about the founding fathers, it was clear where their hearts and feet stood. Against tyrannical rule by any means by the grace of God. I actually have to thank you, your arrogant statements helped me learn a lot more than I had through this research.
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 26, 18 12:11 AM
I'd probably call it a cyclic redundancy, and run a diagnostic on the hard drive.

The majority were Deists, and dismissed the supernatural. Especially the supernatural events depicted in the Bible. I can pull a multitude of quotes by the many of the Founding Fathers after they were older, wiser, and the country had continued into the "Age of Happiness" condemning religion, especially the "God" of the Old Testament.

What makes your god, or any for that matter, more valid than ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 26, 18 6:39 AM
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Paying lip service to Christianity is a pillar of political success, even today.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 6:52 AM
#4. "The word used is "Creator". Also used is the "Laws of Nature and Nature's God". Nowhere does the word "Divine" appear."
( I am now numbering the imbecilic false statements to better keep track. )

"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."
The last sentence of the Declaration of Independence.

#5 "What makes your god, or any for ...more
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 26, 18 12:47 PM
Specifically, I found his computer advice very funny.

Generally, I'll support anyone who agrees that religion has no place in government.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 12:56 PM
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I'll give you a like for the separation of church and state, but I found the computer problem a lot funnier considering who is was posed to.

Other than that, someone already did the heavy lifting on z and his post, and better than I would have honestly.

You probably should have not made that initial snarky comment z.

By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Mar 26, 18 1:36 PM
I can't imagine it being easy to support the premise that religion has killed more people than any other cause of death, especially when we all know that spontaneous embryo loss is the real culprit.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 1:47 PM
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It seems you missed the appendment. Not bright on your part. Google voice didn't pick up the last part, and my thumb caught the submit button.

I'll keep it real simple for you:

"...and the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."

Frankly, that day can't come soon enough. Believe what you want, as long as your psychotic ...more
Mar 26, 18 6:31 PM appended by Mr. Z
And your research skills are atrocious. Perhaps you should look a bit further back...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 26, 18 6:31 PM
Oh yeah....I'll take this one.

The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. ...more
Mar 26, 18 10:41 PM appended by Bayman3142
Your lack of investigative skill is to be commended. I have never seen anything quite like it, remarkable.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Mar 26, 18 10:41 PM
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By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 27, 18 6:31 PM
Wow I didn't realize Long Island had a gun problem in schools. The schools have a huge drug problem and a huge Boolean problem but don't bring that up that'll show you the failure of every school districts Administration. Of course school districts let kids out to protest it takes the pressure off of their failure of teaching students and keeping them safe from drugs. Look at the statistics adults put down your martinis and take care of your kids and stop letting your kids run your household. We ...more
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Mar 25, 18 10:09 AM
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If this doesn’t conclusively prove that gun nuts are actually simoly afraid and intimidated by everyone, including young children- not sure what does.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Mar 25, 18 10:15 AM
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Let me interject a little good old partisan politics here, just in case we haven’t had enough stimulus to rile us up already. The kids and others marching yesterday avoided party labels, but let’s look at it realistically. It’s mostly Democrats who are for gun regulation and mostly Republicans who are opposed.

You can parse that term “gun regulation” any way you like, but you and I know that, if these young people work and vote as they promise to in 2018 and ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Mar 25, 18 11:21 AM
These children are being manipulated by political agendas. Scaring them into nightmares is collateral damage. Safety in schools IS NOT ABOUT GUNS, BUT MANY ISSUES!!!!! Do you really think that even a gun ban would end all violence in schools? WAKE UP !!!
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Mar 25, 18 12:08 PM
The second I clicked “submit,” I realized one of you bozos would play the manipulation/exploitation card, but it’s wholly misplaced.

In fact, it is the obligation of those of us who are active politically to use this tragedy as an opportunity, a lesson in why we must have responsible gun regulation to prevent recurrences. If we didn’t do just that, we’d fail in our duty to these murdered kids.

As one of the young speakers said yesterday, “thoughts ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Mar 25, 18 12:53 PM
I always get a laugh watching smug patronizing liberals jump mental gymnastics trying to excuse their unethical behavior when they get caught blatantly manipulating and exploiting children. You can’t even admit what you are doing is deeply disturbing and instead create twisted semantic excuses to avoid responsibility. Gee I wonder why today’s kids have such a problem with personal responsibility...wonder where they learned it.
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 25, 18 7:58 PM
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This is so interesting, Children get killed and folks get angry towards the folks that want to do all they can to prevent it from happening again. Guess what? Bill Clinton didn't take your guns. Barack Obama didn't take your guns and Hillary Clinton never suggested she was going to take your guns, but that's all you ever hear right? "From my cold dead hands..." The only thing these folks are after is some laws and legislation that will arrest the ability for anyone to mow down a busload of school ...more
By TimNichols (7), on Mar 25, 18 1:12 PM
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The reason we don’t trust people like you to come up with “reasonable gun laws and legislation” is the fact that you don’t know the difference between an M-16 and a Colt M4 Carbine 22LR or between a Barrett .50 Cal and a Ruger 10/22 Barrett M82A1. So you lump them all and many others into the same “evil gun” category and demand they all be banned and made illegal to possess or own.
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 25, 18 8:16 PM
Military grade assault rifles are already prohibited to the general public since 1986. A military assault rifle is capable of firing in burst mode. The AR-15 is not capable of firing in burst mode. The AR-15 is not some super gun. Its semi-automatic platform is no different than numerous .22 Carbines . The AR-15 is not a combat weapon possessing unlimited killing power,as a matter of fact as a hunting weapon it is deemed insufficient in firepower to use in many states and countries.If people are ...more
By Evergreen Screens (2), Wabasso,fl on Apr 5, 18 4:28 PM
Nobody said "assault rifle" they said "assault weapon" which is separate and distinct.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 4:35 PM
What is an assault weapon? What is an assault rifle?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Apr 5, 18 5:38 PM
An assault rifle is a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use, as Evergreen alluded to above. An assault weapon is like a grilled cheese sandwich; recipe may vary.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 6:25 PM
TimNichols please describe this mythical "military grade assault weapon".
By Duckbornandraised (184), Eastport on Mar 25, 18 1:35 PM
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The term "assault weapon" is an invention of the United States gun industry. It was later adopted by legislatures to describe weapons with certain attributes:


Common attributes used in legislative definitions of assault weapons include:

Semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting a detachable magazine[10][13]

Folding or telescoping (collapsible) stock,[13] which reduces the overall length of the firearm[15]

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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 25, 18 2:35 PM
Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat. Take away guns, they'll use knives. Take away knives, they'll use box cutters. So then your argument is "well guns will kill 10 people and knives will only kill 4". So what's the argument? People being mowed down in cars too. The insanity will not end. We are living amongst sick, psychopathic freaks and there's really nothing you can do about it.
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Mar 25, 18 1:41 PM
Cars are not an apt analogy because they require licensing, registration, insurance, and regular inspections.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 25, 18 1:54 PM
you do not need to license, register,insure or get a car that you own and have on your PRIVATE property
Mar 25, 18 4:56 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
you do not need to license, register,insure or get inspected a car that you own and have on your PRIVATE property
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Mar 25, 18 4:56 PM
Yes, I suppose you don't need to do any of those things if you don't intend to use your car as a car.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 25, 18 10:55 PM
The Muslim terrorist that mowed down those folks in the City LEGALLY rented the truck .
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 25, 18 2:54 PM
And do you think the absence of licensing, registration, insurance, and inspection requirements would result in less, or more vehicle-related deaths?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 25, 18 2:56 PM
Driving is also a privledge not a protected guaranteed right.
By Duckbornandraised (184), Eastport on Mar 25, 18 2:59 PM
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To those who so vociferously defend the Second Amendment's "right to bear arms" [ which BTW is much more nuanced and complicated than the simplistic even moronic summaries given here :) ] . . .

Do YOU have any suggestions for reducing gun-related school violence?

Or is the status quo A-OK with you? When do we as adult human beings say . . .
"Enough is enough !!!"

If you're not part of the solution, you might be part of the problem?

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Mar 25, 18 4:29 PM
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PBR, you lost me at moronic
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 25, 18 5:57 PM
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Here’s one suggestion: Stop raising violent kids. Do your job as a parent and teach your kids manners, respect, responsibility, and simple stuff like don’t murder your classmates. Guns aren’t walking into schools and shooting kids on their own. Fifty year old men aren’t walking into schools and shooting kids either. The problem that needs to be solved is people raising violent, irresponsible, mental stunted children.
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 25, 18 7:43 PM
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But we thought it wasn't guns, that it was "mental illness". Now it's kids without manners? Come on, local. This is thin, pathetic gruel.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 25, 18 8:37 PM
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How old was the Las Vegas mass murderer?
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 26, 18 5:47 AM
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How old was the Vegas shooter?

"Stop raising violent kids" sounds like an answer to most violent crime. Now why haven't we thought of that?

Is it because compelling individuals to change personal behavior is not feasible through public policy outside of providing consequences as a deterrent?

Should we impart criminal liability on parents who let their children access violent media? Should we make parents vicariously liable for their children's criminal acts?

"Stop ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 7:00 AM
The question was “do you have any suggestions for reducing gun-related school violence?” As usual when you are losing a debate you suddenly change the parameters and the subject. As for the Vegas shooter, we still don’t know his motive or WHY he did it in order to craft a solution to prevent something similar the future. Banning the bump stock is a good compromise but neither that ban nor any other will prevent all future violence by men like that because he was crazy and evil. ...more
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 26, 18 6:20 PM
Right, "stop raising violent kids" (who is that even directed at? The posters here who you know nothing about personally?) is not a suggestion, it's a pipe dream.

We don't need to "prevent all future violence" but we should take rational steps to prevent 50+ concertgoers from getting snuffed out by nearly-automatic gunfire, or at least try to ensure that people with violent tendencies aren't given access to tools that enable them to commit mass murder.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 6:29 PM
How Foreign? Please tell us your detailed recommendations.
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 26, 18 6:34 PM
Once they get your guns they will be shipping in radical Islam refugees till you do not even recognize your country. The grooming gangs will be stalking your daughters and when you fight back you will be beaten then thrown in jail for hate crimes
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Mar 25, 18 4:51 PM
So, which conservative radio host is telling that story this week?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 25, 18 5:00 PM
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You dont need a radio host to see whats going on all over the world. Just look at what is happening all over Europe
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Mar 25, 18 5:01 PM
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Undocumented democrat, adjust your tinfoil hat. I think it’s cutting off the blood flow to your head.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Mar 25, 18 4:57 PM
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RESPONSIBLE gun owners are not a problem. Pshcyotic sociopaths are a problem, especially when current laws are not enforced. As to the “ nuanced” interpretation of the 2A, the Supreme Court has ruled that we still our RIGHT to own firearms, thank God.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 25, 18 5:14 PM
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KNOW this... when there is a actual danger to our guns and freedom.. we will march in the MILLIONS.

But we won't be carrying signs..... UNDERSTAND?
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Mar 25, 18 5:46 PM
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History tells the tale of what you believe. And, it has more in common with a Confederate than a Founding Father.


The Lessons of a School Shooting–in 1853
How a now-forgotten classroom murder inflamed the national gun argument.

By SAUL CORNELL March 24, 2018
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 25, 18 6:32 PM
Toxic masculinity.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 25, 18 8:39 PM
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By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Mar 25, 18 10:36 PM
Offered up no doubt by an intersectionality queen.
By Evergreen Screens (2), Wabasso,fl on Apr 5, 18 4:13 PM
There you go ditch bum. Threats and intimidation, the nra calling card.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Mar 25, 18 5:52 PM
Fred S, how did he threaten or intimidate you? Are you so timid?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 25, 18 6:01 PM
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“A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them. Which would include their own government.” – George Washington
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Mar 25, 18 6:04 PM
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@joe:

100% spurious. Try some etymology.
Mar 25, 18 6:09 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, if you were versed in the prose of the times you would have pegged that quote and the meme it goes with as bull**** in less than a second. Obviously you're not and quite possibly are comfortable with lies. You are a Trump voter, after all...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 25, 18 6:09 PM
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By They call me (2826), southampton on Mar 25, 18 6:28 PM
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Where did it all go wrong? Because at one time, men went to work and women stayed home with their kids, and if mothers did work, they had somebody else stay home with their kids: Baby sitters, grandmothers, aunts. Sunday’s were holy days, church and family sit down dinners. Kids played outside. Marriages held together longer. Few of today’s women are staying home with their kids like our mothers and grandmothers did. Girls are no longer being reared to become mothers, but for business, ...more
By pigroast (100), East Quogue on Mar 25, 18 11:05 PM
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Well said !
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 25, 18 11:13 PM
Well said by a white man, who has never felt the sting of discrimination . The bucolic 1950's might have been good for some, others weren't so fortunate to pursue the American dream.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 26, 18 5:54 AM
Left out the "invisible poor". Ironic...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 26, 18 6:16 AM
Am I reading this correctly?

Is Pigroast saying that gender equality causes mass murder?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 7:21 AM
And why didn't these folks not PERSUE the American dream MF?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 26, 18 7:41 AM
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Your question presumes anyone who pursues the American dream succeeds. The question is "why didn't they succeed?" In regard to people of color, the answer in the 1950s was overwhelmingly systemic racism.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 7:47 AM
Glass ceilings and Jim Crow for starters. Being a white male , you were never subjugated to this.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 26, 18 9:00 AM
So what I'm reading is that people of color and women prefer to live under a leaky roof?

Does that make sense to you, PW?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 9:15 AM
@Fore: Whoa, was just trying to wrap my head around the same "hypothesis" and pose the same question! Population of Fantasia, USA is quite high and growing!
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 26, 18 10:57 AM
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By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 26, 18 11:04 AM
Good thing i was to stupid to relize the color of my skin should have held me back or i might have ended up like mets fan
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Mar 26, 18 3:41 PM
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Good on you for your success, but I hope you don't think you're solely responsible for it. The same would be true of your failures.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 3:51 PM
Was that a quote?

Was it by Stalin?

Is he my hero?

All news to me.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 9:33 AM
@ pigroast

A nostalgic yearning for a construct that never was. The REALITY is that women were subjugated by society (and marriage) without any rights whatsoever. That chauvinistic fantasy is over. Women now have FULL rights, in every sense, with men.

THIS IS GOOD.

Children in America now know that the world is their oyster. There is nothing that they can't do (even if they ARE female.)

We are in a process of change from the status quo that has existed ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Mar 26, 18 3:00 AM
For those wondering, "hurdles in that epochal change" means "snowflakes who can't handle equal rights."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 11:03 AM
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It seems that along with this "change from the status quo that has existed for millennia", comes a precipitous decline in family values and the value put on life. Kids from broken families shooting up schools is a byproduct of the societal upheaval you praise. I hope you're happy.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 26, 18 6:33 AM
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Yeah, kids sure respected their parents more when they could be sent to work in the mines for misbehaving.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 7:19 AM
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Parkland School Shooting Survivor: Don’t Blame Guns, Blame the ‘Cowards of Broward’During the March 25 airing of Face the Nation, Parkland school shooting survivor Kyle Kashuv suggested people looking for something to blame ought to be pointing at the “cowards of Broward County” rather than guns.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 26, 18 7:21 AM
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The purpose of the protests were to prompt public policy in response to Parkland.

Kyle Kashuv is only interested in casting blame, not in taking any steps to prevent mass murder, be they gun-related or not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 7:24 AM
Sad to see people marching for government to take away their rights, a testament to the failure of our education system and the decline of our society and American values.
By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on Mar 26, 18 8:10 AM
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In the 50s people marched so government would take away business owners' right to exclude people of color from their establishments, and there wasn't nothin' sad about that.

Civil disobedience, particularly that calling for public policy change, is quintessentially American.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 8:21 AM
Wrong, the Civil Rights movement was to ensure people had the same rights, too end discrimination and Jim Crow laws; it took nothing from no one but empowered people. This theatrical presentation is all about the removal of rights from those who have them, rights enshrined in our Constitution. Its a war on liberty and freedom waged by the willfully ignorant and easily manipulated.
By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on Mar 26, 18 8:46 AM
Just like the civil rights movement was a war on personal liberty and freedom of association, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 8:49 AM
Our President is "a testament to the failure of our education system and the decline of our society and American values."
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Mar 26, 18 8:53 AM
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Protesting in advocacy of TAKING AWAY one of our fundamental rights as Americans is misguided. Bill of Rights anyone?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 26, 18 8:39 AM
But an evolving definition of exactly what fundamental rights constitutional amendments confer is reality.

For example: "cruel and unusual punishment" meant one thing in the 18th history and has evolved to mean a different thing today.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 8:48 AM
Only the lunatic fringe of the left is advocating "TAKING AWAY" any "fundamental right" granted Americans in the Bill of Rights. One cannot take away that which never existed.

The fringe on both sides of this battle is not to be taken seriously if there is to be any sensible resolution. Only the lunatic fringe on the right would argue that you have a right, granted by a god or any document, to personally maintain and utilize a nuclear weapon. Only that fringe would extend that right ...more
By VOS (1241), WHB on Mar 26, 18 11:46 AM
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Thomas Jefferson bigfresh?
"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 26, 18 11:55 AM
Is suggesting that we take no action on policy the same as arguing that the ability of Nikolas Cruz and Adam Lanza to possess semiautomatic weapons should not have been infringed?

In that case, there's a couple of people here on that list.
Mar 26, 18 11:59 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Adam Lanza is also a little bit tricky because he never exercised his 2nd amendment right, but gained his weapons illegally.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 11:59 AM
And the access to the unfettered proliferation of firearms endangers the guarantees of the right to life and the right of security of the person enshrined in the same Bill of Rights. The same Bill that guarantees these frightened youngsters the right to petition the government (which was created to protect those unalienable rights) for a redress of grievances.
And Freedom from the fear these children are living with is one of the Four Freedoms declared in the Universal Declaration ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 26, 18 1:40 PM
Did VOS just explain that only the "lunatic fringe of the left is advocating "TAKING AWAY" any "fundamental right" and then say, the right never existed?

That certainly recalibrates the landscape.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Mar 26, 18 3:44 PM
My understanding of VOS's comment is that stripping the fundamental right to own a handgun in the home is not being proposed by anyone other than fringe actors.

The rest of us are just trying to find a happy middle.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 3:48 PM
Your “lunatic fringe” is up to about 82% of the Democrat constituency. That’s a pretty big fringe. A recent poll found that 82% of Dems supported banning ALL semi-automatic guns (rifles, hunting guns, handguns, etc) which are about 60% of the guns in the US. About 44% supported banning ALL GUNS period. You keep using that word fringe. I do not think it means what you think it means.
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 26, 18 6:32 PM
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Can you please stop the "oooh, they're gonna' take our guns" bull**** already.

Do you really think it's a logistical possibility to completely disarm millions of people, or that sworn officers of the law or the armed forces would perform such an act?

Knock off the crap already.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 26, 18 6:50 PM
Then why isn't it part of the official party platform? I'd love to see the reasearch particulars, such as who was asked what questions and whether they knew what semiautomatic guns were.

Even if 82% supported banning semi-automatic guns (and ignoring the obvious constitutional issue) that's not support for banning all guns.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 6:52 PM
No, PoBoy, but you did get it half right this time; you're improving. You're correct that only the lunatic fringe is arguing to ban all guns - an idea being forwarded seriously by no one but constantly forwarded as the goal of anyone seeking any form of increased regulation by those who want none at all.

The right that never existed is the often claimed "right" for any person, competent or not, criminal or otherwise to possess any weapon created today or in the future.

The post ...more
By VOS (1241), WHB on Mar 27, 18 2:42 AM
VOS, I fully agree with you given 39% of Democrats recently polled are in fact in favor of repealing the Second Amendment. That would be about an accurate range of the Democrat lunatic fringe you refer to, but some might say that number might be even higher.

The "right never existed" argument is a closely linked argument the Left makes against "God-given" which is also some would say part of the problem today as it correlates to the decay of society in general which is the REAL underlying ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 3, 18 12:25 PM
Protesting to come to some sensible solution. Lack of action isn’t solving a thing.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Mar 26, 18 8:46 AM
Questions for the right wing nuts. Erin, is it time for the "classy" Melania to dump her horndog husband? Just like Donnie Junior is being dumped. They call me, a stock market update? Undocumented, ratings for last night's 60 minutes? BF, I marched on Saturday, where is my check from George Soros,
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 26, 18 9:05 AM
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Do voters care about Trump's sexual history? No
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Mar 26, 18 10:45 PM
I care about Trump's marital infidelity as evidence of his deficient character, hollow morals, and lack of trustworthiness.

Admittedly, I also think it's hilarious to watch social conservatives bending over to defend him.
Mar 27, 18 10:22 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
"bend over backwards"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 10:22 AM
Remember when conservatives used to boast about how important family values were. Remember when tea-baggers were concerned about the national debt. You've taken on the identity of the orange cheetah, no convictions, no morals, an agenda that leaves the carnage of massacred and butchered Americans. He would just as soon be a Democrat if he got more votes from them. All he cares about is his owning another golden throne and his next sexual assault. You must be proud, our youth isn't.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 26, 18 9:11 AM
I’ve said it before and I say it again: Some people should be kept away from all guns, and some guns should be kept away from all people.

Simple, right? And don’t tell me the problem is defining who and what. A number of states and cities have already come up with the necessary definitions, and they’re a fine place to start. There can be some honest debate around the margins of those definitions, but it shouldn’t take up much time because we all know essentially ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Mar 26, 18 11:52 AM
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Simple is right. Japan and Australia are the proof: fewer/no guns; fewer/no killings by guns.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 26, 18 11:58 AM
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And furthermore, one need read no further than "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State..." to understand the intent of the 2nd Amendment. Do you not notice there is nothing in 2A that speaks of the security of an individual, only of the STATE.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 26, 18 2:34 PM
Which goes back to the (dumb) justification of a potential tyrannical government that necessitates the existence of private militias, and therefore privately-held arms.

Despite that, who cares what the founding fathers intended? They have no skin in the game in 2018.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 2:43 PM
How many gun deaths were caused by LEGAL guns? Other than suicides, which are a mental problem. Making more laws when those on the books are ignored by criminals makes no sense. Going after the illegal guns should be police priority & jail the offenders, it used to be an automatic 5 years! You'll see how fast illegal guns go away.
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Mar 26, 18 2:51 PM
So what I'm reading is that we shouldn't be trying to do anything to stop instances like Vegas or Parkland because those guns were bought legally and we shouldn't do anything that changes the status quo.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 2:57 PM
All knowing JB, thank goodness Scalia, as with most people versed on the subject, disagrees with you.

Australia and Japan, really?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 26, 18 3:02 PM
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"I’ve said it before and I say it again: Some people should be kept away from all guns, and some guns should be kept away from all people. "

I agree. The sooner we get there, the better.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 26, 18 3:03 PM
And who decides who's who? Sticky wicket....
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Mar 26, 18 3:05 PM
"So what I'm reading is that we shouldn't be trying to do anything to stop instances like Vegas or Parkland because those guns were bought legally and we shouldn't do anything that changes the status quo."

C'mon now, Cruz should have been prohibited, and lives would have been saved, had people and the system done its job. Doesn't matter how many new regs come about if they aren't enforced.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 26, 18 3:08 PM
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And we've also had a conversation about how law enforcement's use of discretion failed in this case, resulting in the Parkland shooter's gun purchases and ownership being legal.

One easy way to prevent people like the Parkland shooter from legally obtaining firearms is to take their gun rights out of law enforcement's discretion and mandate certain types of reporting to NICS, such as expulsions from school for violent behavior.

The Vegas shooter also relied on the use of a (now ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 3:24 PM
The decision to not forcibly commit Cruz was more involved than "law enforcement's use of discretion." Broward County had implemented Obama policies to keep troubled kids out of the system.

More unintended consequences of liberal policies.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Mar 26, 18 3:38 PM
Which policies in particular? How do you know Broward implemented them?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 3:44 PM
Uh, they were worried about King George then.
Mar 26, 18 3:47 PM appended by June Bug
This in response to Fore's post of 2:43PM.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 26, 18 3:47 PM
@dnice: Four of nine justices disagreed with Scalia, Hon.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 26, 18 3:58 PM
June: right, the "dumb" part was meant to be a reference to how the justification plays out today, since our own friends and family in the military and law enforcement would never forcefully disarm us, and if they somehow got on the same page, Johnny and his AR-15 is not going to stop them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 4:16 PM
JB, what was the outcome of Heller? You can't have it both ways. You try to parade the words in Scalia's decision, picking and choosing passages, and now you disregard him. Typical.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 26, 18 8:23 PM
Two different things. Apples and oranges. One involves observation of the wording of 2A, and the other a citation of a post-judgment declaration. So "having it both ways" does not apply.
Further, two things can be true. I can agree with his declaration of limits on gun rights, and disagree with his interpretation of the (very poorly worded) amendment.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 26, 18 8:55 PM
This post is you in a nutshell JB.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 26, 18 8:59 PM
June: right, the "dumb" part was meant to be a reference to how the justification plays out today, since our own friends and family in the military and law enforcement would never forcefully disarm us, and if they somehow got on the same page, Johnny and his AR-15 is not going to stop them.

Fore, this isn't the first time you have stated this so I must ask. Two young men in Boston shut down an entire city. What do you think millions could do?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 26, 18 9:04 PM
If we're talking about a situation where you're staring across no-man's-land at the greatest fighting force in history, you don't stand a chance. If we're talking about a situation where we're reduced to an insurgency on American soil, we've already lost.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 9:29 PM
? You speak in tongues (and with a very sharp one).
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 27, 18 10:48 AM
What you're reading is that the focus should be on punishing criminals, who could care less what laws we pass, not burden law abiding citizens by reducing their constitutional rights. The perpetrators you mention had mental issues, bombs would have worked just fine for them if they couldn't get guns. Why don't we just shuck the whole constitution and go socialist as most progressives want. Now there's an idea.
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Mar 26, 18 3:03 PM
Coincidentally, dedicated explosive devices are even more controlled than firearms.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 3:26 PM
I count 98 killed between Sandy Hook, Las Vegas and Parkland. That’s not counting the wounded. So taz, you got a real weak argument.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Mar 26, 18 3:04 PM
How many killed in Chicago this year? A gun free zone! And don't blame Indiana if Illinois can't control their criminals.
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Mar 26, 18 3:11 PM
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Why, do Indiana's criminals have no impact on Illinois?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 3:21 PM
Fore, is making it a crime stopping the violence in Chicago? The answer is no. I am all for tightening NICS and background checks, absolutely. I agree with TB about keeping guns out of the wrong hands, absolutely. The better the enforcement of current regs is, the less chance my rights as a law abiding citizen are to come under attack. One of the problems is that this series of tragedies are being used as a political football and I am skeptical we can achieve a national consensus on what the right ...more
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 26, 18 8:35 PM
It sounds like you're asking: "would Chicago have more gun deaths if not for their tight gun laws?"

I think the answer to that hypothetical is a resounding "Yes"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 6:58 AM
Nope, not what I was getting at but there you go again putting words in my mouth.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 27, 18 7:29 AM
You asked: "is making it a crime stopping the violence in Chicago?"

Starting from the premise that you'll never be able to stop 100% of violence, you're actually asking "are Chicago's gun laws resulting in less crime than if they didn't exist?"

I substituted "gun deaths" for "violence" but you're basically asking if Chicago would be better or worse off without their gun laws, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 7:53 AM
The gun LAWS in Chicago are being ignored by the CRIMINAL thugs running wild and shooting each other in uncontrolled gang violence. CRIMINALS don't obey the law, to answer your question the very strong gun control laws in place in Chicago don't matter.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 27, 18 8:25 AM
...because the guns in Chicago are easier to procure from Gary, Indiana up the street.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 8:29 AM
It's not the guns...it's people.

Final March Totals
Shot & Killed: 25
Shot & Wounded: 143
Total Shot: 168
Total Homicides: 31
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 8:35 PM
PUT ALL CROOKS WITH GUNS IN JAIL AND CONFISCATE ALL ILLEGAL GUNS. PROBLEM SOLVED. Stop blaming innocent law abiding citizens for the shortcomings of our police and justice system!
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Mar 26, 18 3:27 PM
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Ohhh, so just find all the criminals before they commit crimes, take all their guns despite their not having done anything wrong yet, and incarcerate them...indefinitely, I assume?

Let's pack it up folks, Taz solved this one for us.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 3:34 PM
possession of an illegal firearm IS A CRIME!!!!
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Mar 26, 18 8:12 PM
I don't think you understand how the 4th amendment works.

If a person is searched without probable cause and contraband is found, that's an illegal search and the person can't be charged with a crime based on the evidence recovered by that search because of a legal principle called "fruit of the poisonous tree"

If you mean that police should arrest and charge people then take their gun rights after convictions, all within constitutional bounds, you may be surprised to hear they ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 10:27 AM
Gun owners own guns because it's fun. That's it. Because they like them. They don't authentically believe they will ever be called upon to fire them. '

Gun enthusiasts, like enthusiasts of any kind, take pleasure in the handling and use of the object of their pleasure.” In other words, they approach shooting as a form of serious leisure. One shooter interviewed by Stenross (1990, p. 59) explained his enjoyment of shooting by comparing it to another popular but less stigmatized ...more
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Mar 26, 18 5:14 PM
Nikolas Cruz
Legally purchased after treatment in a mental health facility, expelled from school for violent tendencies, reported to authorities on multiple occasions, recent being when he stated he was going to be “going to be a professional school shooter.” FBI twice was informed and twice deemed it not worthy of investigation at the very basic level.

Devin Kelley
History of domestic violence barred him from buying guns legally. He was able to do so because the Air ...more
Mar 26, 18 6:40 PM appended by Jimmy MacDoogan
See below for continuation, accidently submitted
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 26, 18 6:40 PM
Can all the anti-gun, anti-2A posters here please tell us in detail how you each propose to end gun violence. Describe the laws you want passed and the definitions of any gun you proposed being banned. Real definitions, not some made up, vague, useless “assault weapon” catch phrase. You have all posted quite eloquently about your anti position and opinions, so let’s hear your meaningful solutions that will conclusively end school shootings and prevent all future shootings at churches ...more
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 26, 18 6:43 PM
1. To start, we expand background checks for all gun purchases, prevent those convicted of domestic abuse from purchasing new or keeping existing firearms, raise the age limit for purchasing guns and mandate safe storage laws.
2. Then we bring a case to the supreme court testing the limits of the 2nd amendment with clear definitions and suggested restrictions.
3. Based on the outcome of the supreme court case pressure congress to amend the constitution to clarify 2A
4. Most likely return ...more
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Mar 26, 18 6:49 PM
For me, the specific hardware allowed is less important than having a uniform system of laws across all 50 states. It doesn't make sense that "background check" means something in one state, but something completely different in another.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 6:54 PM
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See now we are getting somewhere useful. Personally I can agree with a universal background check standard that is equally applied by all states (even though it technically violates states rights) - but that is what compromise is about. I also can agree to enhanced checks/restrictions for those convicted of felonies and domestic violence, and those with certain identified mental health issues (ex: Baker Acted or legally found to be a danger or have diminished capacity). But I strongly and emphatically ...more
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 26, 18 7:46 PM
adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp, What do I think? Changing 2A is a non starter.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 26, 18 8:39 PM
Yes, exactly.
The issue is that no one actually knows what the 2nd amendment means. It's time for clarification.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Mar 26, 18 10:45 PM
I think you would love to have that registry so you know where to go when you have decided we should not have them anymore... Thats what I think .
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Mar 26, 18 10:52 PM
The problem with stripping gun rights from folks who are baker-acted is that the 48-hour observation period doesn't meet due process standards unless they are committed beyond that 48 hours against their will.

I think that a mix of bolstering NICS to include better, more recent information, and expanding the amount of information that disqualifies people from firearm purchases, is a good step.

For example: let's get the no-fly list some due process standards and add it to the ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 6:55 AM
back round checks are fine but they should be benign and with no registry. Like I have said before... I have no issue with a person being flagged NOT on a normal or all clear status. We should prohibit fire arms sales to people on a no fly list or with a history of mental problems. If someone is caught purchasing a fire arm for a person with a red light status the penalty should be severe.

As for the rest of the population there privacy should be respected.
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Mar 27, 18 11:54 AM
Now let's go over due process: a person's constitutional rights cannot be stripped unless they are able to face their accusers and present evidence on their own behalf.

The no-fly list doesn't comply with due process because individuals don't know they're on it until they're denied boarding and have almost zero recourse to question the administrative decision that creates that list.

We should totally give these people due process, and as a result, create a constitutionally-sound ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 12:46 PM
Syed farook
Used a rifle that was legally purchased by his neighbor. The two had planned to attack a community college.

Christopher Harper-mercer
Family legally purchased firearm.

Dylan Roof
Was able to purchase a firearm even tho he had a prior drug conviction that should have prevented him from doing so. It was a clerical error.

Aaron Alexis
Was able to purchase a firearm even after a history of violent outburts and mental health treatment. He was given ...more
Mar 26, 18 7:11 PM appended by Jimmy MacDoogan
"The stock has no automatically functioning mechanical parts or springs and performs no automatic mechanical function when installed," Spencer wrote. "Accordingly, we find that the ‘bump-stock’ is a firearm part and is not regulated as a firearm under Gun Control Act or the National Firearms Act." John Spencer ATF chief under Obama who approved 'bump-stocks' twice.
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 26, 18 7:11 PM
Barrack Obama advanced a gun control bill, the Republican-led congress voted it down.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 7:26 PM
I listed 10 mass shooters, 6 of which should not have been able to purchase the weapon used, but various forms of government did not due its job, 1 a law needs to be enacted in common sense fashion prohibiting the stockpiling of weapons, 2 came down to poor parenting, control, and responsibility of your weapon, and only 1 is truly difficulty to prevent.

Are you looking for a ban, or government to do it's job? That is why 4 dems joined the republicans in voting down Obama advanced assault ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 27, 18 9:09 AM
Shoring up the existing system so the 6/10 don't fall through the cracks is not mutually exclusive with expanding the system so the remaining 4/10 don't either.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 9:33 AM
You forgot the Republican filibuster.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 26, 18 7:31 PM
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By pigroast (100), East Quogue on Mar 26, 18 9:41 PM
I was going to ask if you know how old the Vegas shooter was, but your part about satanism just makes me want to disengage from you altogether. You sound looney.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 26, 18 9:44 PM
Please explain the difference between communism, and socialism.

Thx
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 26, 18 10:10 PM
Pig , I have been saying it for weeks... but it falls on deaf ears. Notice how none of them are concerned about the children after they use them for there political gain. If they were concerned about the children they would be talking about an attainable goal like hardening the schools... Instead of changing the Constitution and an already ruled on SCOTUS law !
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Mar 26, 18 10:58 PM
Who wants to change the constitution?

The only personal right recognized in the 2nd amendment is the right to own a handgun in the home. Everything else is open for debate without constitutional amendment and subject to judicial review.
Mar 27, 18 6:23 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Parkland had armed security. Hardening schools wouldn't stop concert shootings like Vegas or nightclub shootings like Pulse.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 6:23 AM
To Z.
Communism and socialism are economic and political structures that promote equality and seek to eliminate social classes. The two are interchangeable in some ways but different in others.
In a communist society the working class owns everything and everyone works toward the same communal goal. Hypothetically there are no wealthy or poor people...all are equal and the community distributes what is produced based only on need. Nothing is obtained by working more than what is required.
Communism ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 27, 18 9:56 AM
Someone's copy/paste skills are excellent!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 10:02 AM
LOL. Z was looking for an answer so I figured I'd help.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 27, 18 2:25 PM
Z knows the answer, he just asks the question as a litmus test to determine whether someone has the prerequisite knowledge to make them worth engaging.

Personally, accusing people of satanism simply because of party affiliation is enough to make up my mind.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 2:29 PM
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Foreign how exactly is the 2A "open for debate" and "subject to judicial review" still? Are you seriously not aware that both a USDCA and the SCOTUS have already conclusively ruled on it? Or are you just one of those who if something does not go the way YOU want then you will pout and whine and complain, demanding second chance after third chance to try to manipulate things until you get your way.
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 27, 18 3:09 PM
Foreign how exactly is the 2A "open for debate" and "subject to judicial review" still? Are you seriously not aware that both a USDCA and the SCOTUS have already conclusively ruled on it? Or are you just one of those who if something does not go the way YOU want then you will pout and whine and complain, demanding second chance after third chance to try to manipulate things until you get your way.
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 27, 18 3:09 PM
Quick, someone summarize the holding of Heller for localEH.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 3:16 PM
Historically, a socialist free market state like the former Yugoslavia which rebelled against communism was quite successful to it's own merit.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 27, 18 10:13 PM
This is just like the BLM/Hands Up, Don't Shoot movements. Very similar in the fact that they are driven hard by the liberal media and the liberal social media platform. These millennials cannot think critically and they cannot think for themselves. They are driven by the agendas of said media and their teachers who hide behind their liberal desks. No...this is not a tin foil hat conspiracy. This is the truth. The entire BLM movement was based on lies. Michael Brown was a FELON. That is a fact. ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Mar 26, 18 11:12 PM
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"their teachers who hide behind their liberal desks"

Now furniture has political leanings?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 6:43 AM
Teenagers can legally purchase a military-style rifles because NRA Republican bought politicians allow this to continue. AR-15's are the main culprit in mass massacring and butchering, yet it is the liberal media that caused this. Why would a teenager need to have a military style rifle?
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 27, 18 6:04 AM
You are right, teenagers are out of control. The age to buy firearm should be raised to 21 just because they are so immature. We did it for drinking and smoking so why not. Also raise it to 21 to drive (4,000 lbs. bullet) and vote! We can not have these crazy kids voting willy-nilly now. Also raise the age of the draft, 18 is way too young to serve or even have a job, how can we be sure some kid won't co crazy flipping hamburgers. Oh and while you are at it; add girls to the draft, can't ...more
By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on Mar 27, 18 6:57 AM
Putting everything under one single age of majority is arbitrary and doesn't make sense, but have at it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 7:01 AM
Its all or nothing, you can't be too immature for this but hey perfectly fine for that. Either there is a universal age of majority (kinda like universal background checks eh?) applied equally or there isn't, you can't have it both ways.
By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on Mar 28, 18 6:41 AM
Actually, we can, evidenced by the fact that we do.

Smoking, drinking, driving, and sexual activity are all distinct activities that require different degrees of responsibility.

Arguing that drinking is that same as smoking or that intercourse is the same as driving makes you look dumb.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 8:10 AM
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@ DiseaseDiocese

Quote

"This is just like the BLM/Hands Up, Don't Shoot movements. Very similar in the fact that they are driven hard by the liberal media and the liberal social media platform. These millennials cannot think critically and they cannot think for themselves."
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God love the Right-Wing. You contemptuously revile the NEXT GENERATION OF VOTERS because they disagree with you and have walled yourselves up in ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Mar 27, 18 7:05 AM
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Have you interviewed one of these precious millennials for a job yet?
By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on Mar 28, 18 6:42 AM
Thanks for a good morning chuckle O Pompous One,
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 27, 18 7:44 AM
@ bigfresh

You're welcome.

How's the yard work going at the Araskog's?
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Mar 27, 18 8:59 AM
Not sure, O Pompous One, perhaps if you got out of your basement and drive down there you could assuage your curiosity.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 27, 18 11:51 AM
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@ bigfresh

Too bad your bid was rejected. I wonder what lickspittle they have hired in your place.

Now here's case in which your obsession with concealing the name of your business has worked AGAINST you. If Ms. Araskog had known who you are, you'd have been in like a shot.

You're Bobbsey Twins.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Mar 28, 18 10:56 AM
The AR15, is not an assault weapon; it's a semi-automatic. An assault weapon is fully automatic and has the capability of continuous firing.

How come the media is talking about a plan of what to do about the young troubled kids? That's the real issue. Probably most of them came from broken homes and are considered a nuisance, unwanted, even in their own schools? The liberals talk about acceptance for all, but what they really mean is acceptance to all that agree with them. I agree with ...more
By pigroast (100), East Quogue on Mar 27, 18 9:18 AM
"An assault weapon is fully automatic and has the capability of continuous firing."

Is that a fact? Or is "assault weapon" a term that is ambiguous-by-design so it requires context and a definition?

For example, in our state, assault weapon is defined by the legislator, and it's not limited to "fully automatic and...continuous firing" (inadvertent redundancy?)
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 9:31 AM
Assault weapon is a term used in the United States to define some types of firearms.[1] The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a vertical forward grip, flash suppressor or barrel shroud.[1][2] Some firearms are specified by name.[3] At the time that the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban passed in 1994, the U.S. Department of Justice said, "In general, ...more
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Mar 27, 18 10:15 AM
isn't talking...
By pigroast (100), East Quogue on Mar 27, 18 9:19 AM
NY TIMES
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR

John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second...

Rarely in my lifetime have I seen the type of civic
engagement schoolchildren and their supporters demonstrated in Washington and other major cities throughout the country this past Saturday. These demonstrations demand our respect. They reveal the broad public support for legislation to minimize the risk of mass killings of schoolchildren and others in our society.

That support is a clear sign ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 27, 18 10:38 AM
If Justice Stevens wanted to remain relevant, he shouldn't have retired.

This should be no surprise to anyone who read his dissent in Heller.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 10:45 AM
Inferring that you oppose repeal?
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 27, 18 11:00 AM
I haven't really given the merits much thought, as the procedural hurdles are insurmountable in my view.

There's no way that 2/3 of both houses of congress votes for repeal of 2A. Even if they did, there's no way 3/4 of the state legislatures would approve. Even if they did, there's no way law enforcement and military personnel are going to forcefully confiscate firearms from their friends and family. Etc, etc, etc.

My objection to Stevens's click-bait op-ed is that it's merely ...more
Mar 27, 18 11:23 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
"Equal Rights Amendment" there's something I haven't heard about in a long time! Oh well, maybe in my kids' lifetime.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 11:23 AM
Thank God he has retired. Thank God President Trump has added a Pro 2A Justice and in all probability add another 1 or 2. Repealing the 2A will not happen.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 27, 18 11:59 AM
Always edifying to see a grown-up response with relevance and clarity. And nice not to be left wondering. We're still waiting for the Equal Rights Amendment, so yes, big hurdles. Took 2 centuries to ratify the 27th, but only 107 days for the 26th, so keep hope alive. For certain, if nothing else, the 2nd needs to be re-written to make it clearer and less ambiguous.
Mar 27, 18 12:06 PM appended by June Bug
Responding to Fore here.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 27, 18 12:06 PM
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I don't know why you're so glad he's retired. He was replaced with Elena Kagan and is currently 97 years old.

If he stuck around, Obama gets one less appointment and odds are Trump would have been asked to appoint his successor.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 12:07 PM
Sorry June but there is nothing unclear or ambiguous about the 2A any longer. The US courts and the SCOTUS already clearly interpreted it (you know that is the job of the courts, interpretation of the laws not writing them). Just because you disagree with what they said doesn't make it not true. The world does not bend to your opinion. The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals basically said the second comma divides the amendment into two clauses: one 'prefatory' and the other 'operative.' On this reading, ...more
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 27, 18 3:15 PM
Oh heck, I'll do it myself: Heller, the only SCOTUS case that deals with the question of whether the 2A protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, held that in the case of a handgun in the home, the answer is in the affirmative.

In context with other cases, such as Miller, which talk about what the 2A does NOT protect, the rational conclusion stands that the 2A guarantees a right that lies somewhere between owning a handgun in the home and traveling with a sawed off shotgun.

Where ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 3:22 PM
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I think you just unwittingly made my point. There are plenty of cases in which the SCOTUS and other courts have successfully interpreted the 2A. So there is absolutely no need to re-write or repeal the 2A as desired by June and most on the left because the courts have had no problem deciding where its limits are and are not. I am very well versed in the Heller case and the Miller case, so I don't need your twisted interpretation of their clearly reasoned holdings. Just because you don't like the ...more
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Mar 28, 18 11:14 AM
I don't believe you are well-versed in those cases, or in legal reasoning at all.

The fact that Heller established that handgun ownership in the home is protected by the 2A doesn't say anything about handgun ownership in public, for example.

There are many questions that remain unanswered, and pretending otherwise demonstrate a dearth of knowledge.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 11:21 AM
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The fastest way to get gun control laws enacted would be for Muslim and Black citizens to open carry (where permissible) and strongly advocate for arming themselves for protection.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Mar 27, 18 11:55 AM
What part of,

"Shall not be infringed "

Do you not understand?
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 27, 18 1:11 PM
"Racist" A person who wins an argument against a liberal
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Mar 27, 18 1:14 PM
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The part where you don't realize that the 2A is not unlimited.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 1:18 PM
Yeah great, gun factories get to exist by "divine" right. Cool. However, ownership SHOULD be a privilege in this day and age. It should be something which is earned, not freely given. Power in the hands of fools has always spelled T-R-O-U-B-L-E.

How about some compromise?



By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 27, 18 11:09 PM
Gun ownership is an individual right, as sacred as any other right. I agree with restrictions and regulations but as soon as we acquiesce that it is a privilege instead of a right we are in trouble. I'm all for compromise to protect my rights but I'm not giving them up in the name of "safety".
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 27, 18 11:47 PM
I agree todays teens... who have not had a parent home to teach them responsibility are mature enough. IMO the age of consent should be raised. I personally do not think most 18 year olds from the North East or West coast are mature enough to purchase alcohol or a gun.

Just remember that means they should not be, shipped off to Iraq, given the keys to a car or have a right to vote. You can not classify them as minors when it comes to purchasing a weapon and then proceed to charge them ...more
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Mar 27, 18 12:02 PM
Putting everything under one single age of majority is arbitrary and doesn't make sense, but have at it.

You specifically pointed at young people in the Northeast and West coast. I assume that means you'd have a different age of majority based on geography?

Hilarious. Whatever fight you wish to champion, be sure to enjoy!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 12:10 PM
That is where you are inherently wrong ! The purpose of Joe's comment was to put a spotlight on the fact that you cannot cherry pick the age of consent!
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Mar 27, 18 1:17 PM
You mean the age of majority. Consent has to do with sexual activity.

We (through our elected officials) regularly debate what ages are appropriate for what kind of activity and regularly change their minds, the recent change in the age to buy tobacco in Suffolk county comes to mind.

If you disagree with any age limit, feel free to challenge it or run for office yourself. That's what people who think AR-15s shouldn't be sold to teenagers are doing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 1:23 PM
During Saturday’s student march for gun control, Parkland shooting survivor Delany Tarr made clear that she and other gun controllers plan to parlay a bump stock ban into numerous other gun controls.

March 25th article on Breitbart.

Well imagine that.
By Duckbornandraised (184), Eastport on Mar 27, 18 2:20 PM
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Someone thinks the bump stock ban isn't sufficient?

Go figure.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 2:34 PM
STOP TALKING ABOUT THE GUNS AND FIX THE SCHOOL SECURITY !!!
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Mar 27, 18 3:43 PM
No need to yell, Erin. We're right here.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 3:53 PM
coming from someone who usually whispers that was quit an effective point
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Mar 27, 18 4:24 PM
Is it effective? Or is it a childish outburst that lacks any cohesive argument?

I guess the reader decides.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 4:26 PM
I vote effective.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Mar 27, 18 4:35 PM
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One's vote usually says a lot about them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 4:36 PM

"Someone thinks the bump stock ban isn't sufficient?

Go figure."

Fore, I like you, I do. You are smart (a really quick study) and articulate and you don't seem to be irrational or hold a grudge when confronted but you don't have any skin in the game on this subject. Those of us who are law abiding, safety first practicing members of the 2A community are skeptical of any new legislation. I agree with the ban on bump stocks. I don't see any practical use for them but that's ...more
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 27, 18 5:19 PM
I find it amazing that dnice feels she can tell anyone that they "have no skin in the game" presumably because she believes he is not a gun owner. Let's make this very clear - WE ALL HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME and it is our hides and those of everyone else that is put in jeopardy by inadequate regulation of firearms.

Anyone, adult or child, who goes to a school, a concert or any other public place has been proven to be threatened by gun violence - it does not discriminate.

Background ...more
By VOS (1241), WHB on Mar 28, 18 6:12 AM
I'm glad someone decided to touch on that because despite the fact that I own a firearm, it seems obvious that lots of people without personal experience or connection to a topic still form strong political opinions. See: abortion, drug policy, immigration law, etc.

That doesn't necessarily make their opinions less valuable.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 6:33 AM
No mention of mandatory hard time for CRIMINALS using weapons in a commission of a crime, or felons possessing a firearm? How about strict enforcement of existing law?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 28, 18 6:41 AM
Putting aside the issues raised by mandatory minimum sentencing, why not?

Those punitive measures, however, will only act as an individual deterrent for those who fear the consequence of time behind bars, whereas criminals such as the Parkland or Vegas shooters who face the death penalty would remain undeterred.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 7:09 AM
Vos, thank for the laugh, I am a he by the way. Fore owns a gun, he admitted to keeping it mothballed in his attic. I own a hammer, doesn't make me a knowledgeable carpenter. Just how have you been put in jeopardy? Seriously.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 18 5:40 PM
I'm glad someone decided to touch on that because despite the fact that I own a firearm, it seems obvious that lots of people without personal experience or connection to a topic still form strong political opinions. See: abortion, drug policy, immigration law, etc.

That doesn't necessarily make their opinions less valuable.


Lack of experience is to be discounted Fore? Wow, how disingenuous. Ok.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 18 5:44 PM
That's not what I said. I said that knowledge about something need not be based in personal experience.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 7:57 PM
What good is knowledge without experience? It is useless.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 18 8:09 PM
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Well regardless of your opinion, men get to opine on abortion rights and non-gun owners get to opine on gun rights.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 8:21 PM
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You know what they say about opinions Fore.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 18 2:56 PM
Yes, fix the security. So someone with a gun can’t come in and slaughter more children. How about do something about guns. Stop avoiding the obvious.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Mar 27, 18 3:55 PM
Because you are the one avoiding the obvious fix for a greater political award. Why waste a good crisis, Isn't that right Fred. You will never get the guns without a civil war but that doesn't stop you from dreaming of the control you could have if only ! Isn't that right Fred. These children are just being used as pawns for your fascist wish list, Isn't that right Fred !
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Mar 27, 18 4:29 PM
Assault weapons were banned from sale between '94 and '04; lo and behold, there was no civil war.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 4:35 PM
Gee Fore, I purchased and AR-15 during that time period. Are you sure you understand the particulars of that ban? Between grandfathering and "criteria of an assault weapon" sales were pretty robust.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 27, 18 5:03 PM
I'm not arguing about the particulars of the individual law, I'm giving UD an example of a gun control law that could be re-instated without causing a civil war.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 5:09 PM
Hey highhatsize, I got something for you. Let's play a little game of Jeopardy. The answer is: Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia.....oh wait, no......Stormy Daniels, Stormy Daniels, Stormy Daniels, Stormy Daniels, Stormy Daniels, Stormy Daniels. What is the question?
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Mar 27, 18 4:19 PM
What are : The subjects that would reduce Anderson Cooper to playing live on the air with kittens if he could not talk about ?
By They call me (2826), southampton on Mar 27, 18 4:33 PM
Parkland Survivor: 'When They Give Us That Inch, That Bump Stock Ban, We Will Take a Mile'

Same 'survivor' and reference as above.

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.
By Duckbornandraised (184), Eastport on Mar 27, 18 4:58 PM
Is it so hard to believe that the victims of an attack where a bumpstock wasn't used aren't satisfied with a bunpstock ban?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 5:06 PM
Fore, they won't be. Read my reply above.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 27, 18 5:22 PM
I understand the fear of incrementalism. At the same time, legality is fluid and we ban/unban/reban objects on a regular basis.

I'd rather judge each piece of legislation on its own merits and vote accordingly on election day.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 27, 18 7:04 PM
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Fear has played a starring role in the history of our gun laws. The Founders avoided a standing army out of fear of a coup, instead establishing citizen militias out of fear of insurrections by freed slaves. In 1967, California tightened its gun laws WITH THE BLESSING OF THE NRA in reaction to the (fearsome) Black Panthers exercising open-carry rights. The Panthers' fear of the government then led to tighter gun laws resulting from fear of the Panthers. Round and round we go......
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 27, 18 7:36 PM
Now that is some revisionist history.
Certifiable.
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 27, 18 8:13 PM
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There is a fine line between fear and respect. Wisdom is knowing the difference.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 27, 18 10:09 PM
On the topic of history, it’s worth mentioning that the NRA’s 1st president was Ambrose Burnside, a Union General of the American Civil War; Army of the Potomac. At the Battle of Fredericksburg his force suffered more than 13,000 casualties against Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia. The NRA was founded in New York in 1871.

On the subject of bump stocks, they’re gadgets. By themselves, they can’t shoot anything. It’s only when attached (and they ...more
By pigroast (100), East Quogue on Mar 28, 18 1:04 AM
Personally, I'd liken it more to bomb-making materials: tools that have no other benign use when put together.

After all, just like a person can make their own bump stock; an individual can program their own hacking tools; that doesn't mean we have keyloggers for sale at PC Richard's.
Mar 28, 18 6:06 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Morning brain. This should say: just like a person can make their own bump stock, a person can make their own bomb, that doesn't mean we have TNT for sale at Home Depot.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 6:06 AM
@ Jimmy MacDoogan: Sounds like you've never cracked a history book. Never too late, Jimmy--the libraries are full of them.
How about this---even the absence of fear has a role. So devoid of it that 78 % of Americans don't own a gun.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 28, 18 10:37 AM
@bug....
"Fear has played a starring role in the history of our gun laws. The Founders avoided a standing army out of fear of a coup, instead establishing citizen militias out of fear of insurrections by freed slaves"

2 fears, what cowards!! Let's put your little statement to the history test shall we?

First..."THE FOUNDERS AVOIDED A STANDING ARMY OUT OF FEAR OF A COUP."

The US CONTITUTION
Article 1, section 8
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 29, 18 12:42 AM
I'm going to grab Jim Mac's comment and bring it down...

Nikolas Cruz
Legally purchased after treatment in a mental health facility, expelled from school for violent tendencies, reported to authorities on multiple occasions, recent being when he stated he was going to be “going to be a professional school shooter.” FBI twice was informed and twice deemed it not worthy of investigation at the very basic level.

Devin Kelley
History of domestic violence barred ...more
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 27, 18 7:35 PM
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I appreciate that my musings are being well-received, even when not 100% agreed with, so I gave your question some thought.

What I would like to do is stop taking aim at the most extreme positions and characterizing them as the predominant beliefs of the opposition.

We're all familiar with the straw man fallacy, but have we heard about steel man arguments?

The idea is that, before posing your own argument, you must understand another's position fully and re-state it to ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 10:54 AM
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So, you are for the banning of rifles as listed in Obama's Bill if I am reading correctly.

You do understand I am sure that any one of these tragedies could have been carried out by a handgun, except for Vegas. If you have never handle both an AR and a handgun, I can assure you the reloading process on a handgun is more fluent and faster on the handgun. IMHO, the use of the AR in these instances is the perceived fear factor giving the shooter more pleasure, not for maximum carnage.

That ...more
Mar 28, 18 3:06 PM appended by Bama-Slama
The terrorist on this list are a completely different story. I would trust that the FBI would be able to handle such incidents, but it seems they can't handle a proclaimed school shooter prior to the school shooting after being warned twice.
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 28, 18 3:06 PM
I don't think I referenced Obama's bill above and, frankly, I'm not well-versed on its particulars. My knowledge is limited to the fact that it was proposed after Sandy Hook and failed in Congress.

I'm no expert but, generally speaking, doesn't an AR-15 carry more bullets and send those bullets downrange more accurately than a handgun? Of course, it's all subject to state-specific magazine restrictions and the individual's firearm proficiency, that's why I say generally speaking.

Whether ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 3:34 PM
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Yes, you are correct, the accuracy on the AR is much better, but at a distance. The majority of ALL shootings occur in the roughly 3 to 5 yard area, deadliest obviously in the arms length, which is the most common. ( stats are hard to come by, but the NYPD did a investigation on 4,000 shootings and this is the numbers)

The AR has a 30 round magazine. It is interesting to note that this weapon has a minimum effective range dependent on the round. 223 round is most common IMO, and has a ...more
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 28, 18 5:16 PM
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A lot of the reasons you listed contribute to my belief that, generally speaking, hardware bans are not productive. I do think the bump stock is a unique object in the way it changes a gun's capability, particularly in cases where a shooter simply wants to rain bullets on a crowd, but I don't see why other pieces of hardware like folding stocks or silencers are so highly controlled, for example.

Any legislation will have to survive lawsuits from every angle imaginable but to even get to ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 5:40 PM
I have an off-topic question related to Westhampton Beach High School/Middle School boundaries. Can anyone here explain the street boundaries north, south, east and west for the Westhampton High & Middle Schools...specifically in the East Quogue area? The school district maps I found are undefined for East Quogue. It only states that EQ Elementary School are in the district. So what boundaries in East Quogue attend Westhampton High School, and which parts attend Hampton Bays High School? Very confusing...
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Mar 27, 18 7:51 PM
Why do people who buy guns out of fear think they are braver than unafraid people with no guns?
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Mar 28, 18 8:07 AM
Not braver, smarter
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 28, 18 9:45 AM
This is what will happen here once they get our guns ! Belive it Slime !

A mother in Germany whose daughter was being bullied by Muslim students because she was blonde, Christian and didn’t wear a headscarf was told by the headmaster of a school in Frankfurt to cover her up with a hijab.The mother of the student told BILD that her daughter was being bullied by Muslim girls to such a degree that she had to “take them out of school for protection.”
“She was beaten ...more
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Mar 28, 18 9:53 AM
Someone's been reading too much infowars.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 10:02 AM
just wait till the american woman in the pink hats relize the hijab and burka are radical islam's slave uniform. they indicate that a woman is an obedient submitted "slave of allah." (but her husband will determine what she wears, he of cvourse is allah's overseer )
ladies, it's critical to understand that islamic sharia law does not only apply to muslims! It applies to everyone. muslim women wearing the hijab or burka are telling muslim men, "i'm a good modest woman, don't rape me! go rape ...more
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Mar 28, 18 10:18 AM
It is so sad what has happened, Frankfurt used to be a beautiful city... They have destroyed Europe before our very eyes.
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Mar 28, 18 10:31 AM
@Erin 27 E: You really need to seek some help, Hon.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 28, 18 10:49 AM
Yes she needs help with her campaign, she should run for office. Keep telling it like it is Erin. You go girl
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Mar 28, 18 11:16 AM
Whoa, the line for the looney bin just got longer!
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 28, 18 11:23 AM
I would love nothing more for my preferred political candidates than to face opponents who proudly proclaim the same beliefs as Erin's own above.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 11:25 AM
The gaslighting of "Americans" continues. So easily manipulated are the weak of mind.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Mar 28, 18 11:32 AM
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what does this have to do with preventing lots of kids from being quickly killed by guns that can fire rapidly and use high capacity magazines?
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Mar 28, 18 11:33 AM
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Seems like our last Presidential election was just that. The truth shall set you freeeeeeeeee!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 28, 18 11:37 AM
BF: Could you point me to where Trump has talked about the hijab?

AlphaSoup: It doesn't, it's just their attempt at redirection. Let's have fun with it!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 11:40 AM
Got it. You want to make sure no female muslim bullies force the Southampton School Board to run our district under Sharia Law.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Mar 28, 18 3:53 PM
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By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Mar 30, 18 9:14 AM
Hey Sturgis, did you ever develop that theory of yours? What was your reasoning for why the sheriff's deputies didn't enter the Parkland school?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 30, 18 9:16 AM
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By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Mar 30, 18 9:29 AM
Just a reminder not to throw stones if you live in a glass house.

Didn't you say you think it had something to do with the deputies providing firearm training at a mosque?
Mar 30, 18 9:41 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I see you're still limited to two comments a day...maybe you'll enlighten us tomorrow.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 30, 18 9:41 AM
From left to right : Fore1, Z,Hat,JB,and Mets leaving the CNN awards dinner.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Mar 28, 18 12:11 PM
OMG I almost spit my coffee all over the desk , I love the golden June Bug Sceptor. lolllllllll
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Mar 28, 18 12:26 PM
Riddle me this NRA logic: If GUNS aren't the PROBLEM, and PEOPLE are the PROBLEM, why do you want the PROBLEM to have GUNS?
(First, of course, you have to accept that killing/maiming is a problem. In this environment, can we even count on that?)
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 28, 18 12:58 PM
We have answered you a thousand times, You are just deaf to the response.

The 2nd amendment grants we the people the constitutional right to bare arms.

The SCOTUS has held in District of Columbia v Heller that this right extends to the individual and that this right shall not be infringed.

We "want this problem" as you put it. because we thank God that it gives us the ability the defend our family's lives, property and liberty against all threats both foreign and especially ...more
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Mar 28, 18 1:51 PM
That's not what Heller says.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 1:53 PM
Fore is right, nor does it say you have the right to wear all the tank tops you want.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 28, 18 2:23 PM
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Give me liberty, or give me sleeves!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 2:50 PM
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It is time. # deletefacebook
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 28, 18 4:59 PM
Haven't used Facebook in 10 years, tried to delete it today...you can't.

You have to die, then have someone let Facebook know your dead, then they will "delete" your account, after they steal as much as they can because you won't know because your dead.

Try it.
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 28, 18 5:20 PM
Fore, that is kind of what Heller said. Individual right.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 18 5:47 PM
And what was the individual right recognized in Heller?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 5:54 PM
"The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."
Mar 28, 18 7:05 PM appended by dnice
such as Fore, not limited to
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 18 7:05 PM
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Bingo. The right to possess a firearm for self-defense within the home. That's the only traditionally lawful purpose that has been enumerated by the court, and the only guidance we have other than dicta about what that might mean.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 7:50 PM
Wrong Fore. That is what you get for studying a subject for 3 weeks and then declaring yourself an expert. "The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms."

Do me a favor and don't like my post when trying to imply I have fallen into your ill conceived trap. Funny to me how when ...more
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 18 8:06 PM
Re-read the decision and name one other traditionally lawful purpose recognized by the court.
Mar 29, 18 8:19 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Surely if I'm so wrong, you MUST have found another one by now.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 8:19 PM
Oh I'm sorry Fore, were you waiting all night for a response. The basement is a lonely place. Step away from the keyboard and get some fresh air.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 18 2:58 PM
I won't lie, upon waking this morning I was eager to check for your eloquent reply.

I was disappointed then and I'm disappointed now.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 29, 18 3:03 PM
Poor baby, something tells me you'll get over it quickly and get back to your online research mastery.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 18 3:07 PM
That would imply I ever stopped! Did you complete your legal research homework yet?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 29, 18 3:10 PM
Don't have to, I understand the decision.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 18 3:17 PM
I don't think you do.

Between Miller and Heller there remain lots of unanswered questions. To pretend otherwise betrays your intelligence.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 29, 18 3:22 PM
I don't pretend to understand the material. If I did I'm sure it would be nothing that 15 minutes on the internet couldn't fix.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 18 4:24 PM
That admission could have saved us lots of time. But what fun would it have been?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 29, 18 4:31 PM
Clearly you misunderstood, but hey, nobody is perfect.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 18 4:37 PM
I took it as a tacit admission that you're out of your depth, despite clearly pretending to understand the decision a couple of comments up, but I'll even throw you a bone:

There's a near 100% likelihood that, given an opportunity, SCOTUS would recognize other traditionally lawful purposes not recognized in Heller. But it didn't happen yet.

Now do you understand what I mean when I say those rights haven't been enumerated?

Or will you insist that they exist but continue ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 29, 18 4:45 PM
Nope, you stated "pretend otherwise" and I stated "I don't pretend". I am well aware of the decision and its implications.

By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 18 5:00 PM
Ah, so you earnestly believe Heller conveys more than the aforementioned individual right to possess a firearm in the home?

Do tell, what are those rights and which part of the decision leads you to believe that?
Mar 29, 18 5:05 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I won't hold my breath. There's already been enough disappointment for today.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 29, 18 5:05 PM
More child psychology Fore? And please, if you can, hold your breath;)
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 30, 18 6:21 PM
Telling someone to kill themselves? Classy.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 30, 18 6:51 PM
Oh come on Fore, you didn't see my wink? Why so serious?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 31, 18 10:42 AM
I wonder why none of these protesters are asking themselves what they did to these kids that made them want to shoot them in the first place. It was certainly not a one-off incident, there had to be a long history of institutional neglect and/or abuse. I'm really surprised it doesn't happen more often.
By Funbeer (273), Southampton on Mar 28, 18 2:22 PM
If school shootings are related to bullying, why aren't the LGBT kids doing it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 2:43 PM
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Don't encourage them Fore.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 18 5:48 PM
A man plowed into five people with his vehicle Wednesday morning in San Francisco in a hit-and-run that left one person dead, police said.Authorities have a vehicle and suspect description, Police have not been made that discription public?

I bet it was another TESLA-UBER assault vehicle with a high horsepower motor and pedestrian seeking steering. No other vehicle can do that much damage so quickly. So when can we expect the Anti-Assault Vehicle Leftists to organize their "Bike For Our ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Mar 28, 18 4:54 PM
In the absence of vehicle registration, licensing, and inspections, would more or less people die in automobiles?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 28, 18 5:08 PM
Good one, as soon as you can conceal a car on your person, I’m in.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Mar 28, 18 5:05 PM
A fetishist viper lurks...
Mar 28, 18 8:21 PM appended by June Bug
Lo and behold, gender assumption was inaccurate. Puts a new light on things....
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 28, 18 8:21 PM
I'm planning a "Ban on Cars" march next weekend. Anyone want in??
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Mar 28, 18 9:56 PM
Sounds like a crack pot, bucket full of non compos mentis good time, count J.Buggy in, she'll bring the tin foil....
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 28, 18 11:31 PM
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'ROSEANNE' BOOM STUNS HOLLYWOOD!

PROMPTS SOUL-SEARCHING

While nostalgia was expected to bring in eyeballs, no one predicted such a huge turnout on premiere night for the blue-collar family sitcom with a Donald Trump-supporting protagonist, especially among the younger demographic. But then, few predicted that Trump would become the Republican nominee and would win the presidential election when he first announced his candidacy.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Mar 28, 18 11:30 PM
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You know what got better ratings than Roseanne?

60 minutes.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 29, 18 7:21 AM
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@They call me: The orange liar-in-chief condemns ballplayers for not respecting the flag but congratulates a nasty woman like Roseanne who REALLY made a mockery of the National Anthem. It is to laugh. And any of y'all who support/cavort with nasty women---Stormy...Karen...and 14 others---really do need to do some soul-searching.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 29, 18 12:07 PM
Ahhh... the youth of America, protesting, fear mongering, taking selfies, and filling Nikolas Cruz's fan mail and commissary account. VIVA' LA JEUNESSE!!!

"The letter was mailed from Texas and tucked inside an envelope covered with hand-drawn hearts and happy faces. “Your eyes are beautiful and the freckles on your face make you so handsome.” She goes on to describe herself as white with big, brown eyes. “I’m really skinny and have 34C sized breasts.” She ends ...more
Mar 29, 18 12:04 AM appended by Jimmy MacDoogan
The fact that auto spell changed DEFENSE to defence is what you two come up with speaks volumes.
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 29, 18 12:04 AM
Honestly, my god is not Vishnu, but I....
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 29, 18 12:13 AM
@ Jimmy MacDoogan

Quote:

"Yep, we are in good hands. I knew it when I saw the 'Fund Education not Defence' sign."
------------------------------------------------

There's that delightful Right-Wing irony again!

We agree, Jimmy MacDoogan. The fact that one doesn't recognize the correct spelling of a word suggests incompetence.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Mar 29, 18 1:25 AM

Jimmy sounds triggered
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Mar 29, 18 1:25 PM
Here's what you should really fear Erin, a white American male who owns a military style rifle,
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 5:53 AM
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Don’t you all realize how ridiculous you sound? Gun freaks and lib extremists are telling each other what they must fear.

Nothing is solved on the fringes. The world runs in the middle and you lions aren’t solving anything.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 6:54 AM
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I totally agree with slimealive. This isn’t a right or left wing thing, it’s an American thing. Until we can meet somewhere in the middle of this issue, nothing’s gonna happen. No one wants to take your guns. Just want to keep them out of the wrong hands. If mass shootings keep happening, both sides failed.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 7:51 AM
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All were looking for are small common sense changes that are fought every inch of the way by NRA bought politicians. Maybe the next election will be a game changer and NRA bought politicians might have to change their tune.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 8:39 AM
Agree. And let’s go Mets
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 9:00 AM
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Organized by the children? Babies carrying signs? Congess is trying to change TIDE pods so the children will not eat them. Now the children want to control guns???
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 10:14 AM
“Fund Education not defense.” Give me a break. Lies, half-truths, and propaganda have been spewing from the "authorities" in academia. They don’t teach about the truth, but some Marxist leftist ideology. The goal of the Marxists is to rid this country of Christianity, family, morals, history, and the Constitution.
By pigroast (100), East Quogue on Mar 29, 18 10:38 AM
You forgot to talk about satanism.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 29, 18 10:46 AM
I have devised a standardized test to handle the misinformation being spread.

I call it M.I.S.T.

The Mind-numbing Imbecilic Statement Test, named for the God of Mind-numbing imbecilic statements. (I refuse to name name(z)).

So far, we have z, with a commanding lead, followed closely by bug. We have a spelling foul by Jim Mac, as pointed out by HH, with no reference to the basis of JM's comment.

Mets fan has joined the M.I.S.T. party with his "white American male" ...more
Mar 29, 18 11:50 AM appended by Bayman3142
I am only allowed 2 comments a day fore, please submit material for M.I.S.T.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 11:50 AM
I appreciate the nod, but I do wish you'd express equal disdain toward equally polarizing rhetoric from offenders with opposing views.

I guess we all pick our battles.
Mar 29, 18 11:55 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I've no concern for how many comments you can post per day. If you want to participate more meaningfully, pony up.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 29, 18 11:55 AM
Can't afford forty bucks for a subscription to the press. Use your humongous tax return!
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 12:21 PM
Ugh..perhaps I wasn't clear. M.I.S.T. is not for rhetoric, it's for unsubstantiated statements. I will give you examples of M.I.S.T. failures...

1."Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."
2."The crux of the issue is that when you enslave a being, it's worse than murder"
3."The word used is "Creator". Also used is the "Laws of Nature and Nature's God". Nowhere does the word "Divine" appear."
4."Fear has played a starring role in the ...more
Mar 29, 18 12:27 PM appended by Bayman3142
Alas, the fine editors of the Southampton Press only allow 1 person in the household more than 2 posts a day. I have faithfully received the publication for 10 years, but am not the primary on the account. Yet more M. I. S. T. Rejects. Perhaps you should ask HH if he receives the publication?
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 12:27 PM
How about the one from pigroast about the Democratic party being a cover for Satanism?

Or the story from Ditch about the German principal who said the student should wear a hijab to prevent being bullied?

There's not enough time to rehash all the nonsense I respond to, but my comment history is there if you want to look at it. The ones responding to garbage are usually only a few words.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 29, 18 12:36 PM
@By Bayman3142: Suggestion: If instead of making stupid grievance lists, you collected--say, antiques or stamps-- you could scrape together enough to get that Press subscription!
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 29, 18 12:40 PM
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Here's what you don't have to fear, a white American male liberal who does not believe you need a gun in our society or that you need to shoot one off because your privates are too small.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 2:03 PM
I don't think anyone fears you Mf.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 18 2:50 PM
Why should I have to be feared. I'm a nice guy who's against people (children) getting massacred and butchered for no reason because you need to play with guns.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 4:21 PM
Like I said, nobody fears you. Pretty straightforward.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 18 4:22 PM
You'll be going down with the blue wave that's coming. The times are a changing. Your callous behavior towards dead children is staggering.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 4:33 PM
That's usually because most white liberal American males are running away and letting someone else do the fighting for them, they just have to get posters ready.
By NYIRISH (4), Mastic on Mar 29, 18 2:54 PM
Another one with very small privates. Anonymous tough guy poster.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 4:15 PM
Mf, why are you so preoccupied with others privates?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 18 4:25 PM
Because they need a big gun to make up for their other deficiencies.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 4:31 PM
Please stop, Mets. You're not doing yourself or the rest us liberals here any favors.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 29, 18 4:33 PM
So your theory is that every person that owns a gun has small genitalia? Got any data to back that up? I can give you a smaller shovel if you want to slow down.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 18 4:34 PM
Only based on your gun-toting husband that you told me about.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 9:04 PM
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By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 30, 18 3:37 PM
That's your opinion, I have no empathy for the NRA and the carnage they support.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 4:34 PM
Then consider that, just like irresponsible gun nuts give responsible gun-owners a bad image, your disrespectful comments have similar effects on the people you support.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 29, 18 4:39 PM
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By NYIRISH (4), Mastic on Mar 29, 18 4:40 PM
I'm all for shutting down childish taunts, but you leave my Mets alone!

They had a good day today and may not get many this season!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 29, 18 4:47 PM
This is what happens in the world of Trump. Another delusional weekend warrior. The only thing that's ignorant, is that children are getting massacred and butchered, your response is that nothing should change. Japanese style gun laws. Japanese kids spend way more on video games, no comparison with shooting deaths in America. The only difference is gun laws.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 9:01 PM
The Japanese culture is quite different from ours MF, quite homogenous with a deep respect for TRADITION , education ,hard work and Family, things sorely lacking here today. Things that are at the root of the violence perpetrated by truly evil , mentally ill people.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 30, 18 8:47 AM
And after all their regulations all you get is a shotgun. That's the difference.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 31, 18 8:37 AM
Perhaps you skipped over Japan's suicide rate? They're not Greenland, but it's pretty darn high.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 31, 18 10:16 PM
Here's my data. Las Vegas 59 dead. Orlando, 50 dead. Virginia Tech 33 dead. Sandy Hook 28 dead. Sutter;and Springs 27 dead. Stonemason Douglas 17 dead. San Bernardino 16 dead. Columbine 15 dead. Binghamton 14 dead. Fort Hood 13 dead. Aurora 12 dead.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 4:43 PM
MF, you are seriously making some asinine comments out of blind hatred. The majority of NRA members due not support carnage, you should step away from the keyboard for awhile... Doesn't the season start soon? Your painting all liberals in a worse light than what your actually trying to accomplish against gun owners. Your all over the place.... Go have a beer.
Mar 29, 18 4:47 PM appended by Bama-Slama
*you're
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 29, 18 4:47 PM
Sutherland and Stoneman
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 4:48 PM
I just might have a beer, have a nice holiday. The Metsies won today, thank you mama-slama.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 4:50 PM
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Mets won. Yanks looked better. Stanton 2 HR's and Severino looked better than Syndegard. Oh, I just love when the Yanks always outshine the Mets....
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Mar 29, 18 7:24 PM
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Maybe if you identify with a winner, it'll make you a winner, nope your still a loser.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 29, 18 9:02 PM
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By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Mar 30, 18 4:57 PM
Oh yipee, yet another member of Mensis joins and elevates the discussion......
News flash, Disease, we pay for and rely on law enforcement to handle trouble, not vigilantes.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 30, 18 5:17 PM
JuneBug, you sound like a bougie debutant who thinks all the ills of society will be handled by law enforcement. Not every person who owns a gun is a vigilante. Most are law abiding citizens who look out for their fellow man. Thank the Lord that Hillary was not voted in. Whew. That whiney old hag is still making excuses as to why she lost. She can't admit that this country took a stand against the ultra left wing nuts. Obama swung that pendulum way too far to the left and now you libbies are all ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Mar 31, 18 12:04 AM
Keep trying to stereotype me. My family has fought for this country since the American Civil War.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 31, 18 8:35 AM
I represent all their values
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 31, 18 9:42 AM
And even if they were, who cares? We don't live our lives for the dead.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 31, 18 10:04 AM
Ill of society.
Mar 31, 18 10:35 AM appended by June Bug
Responding to Disease D.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 31, 18 10:35 AM
CNN ADMITS DEMS’ LEAD IN 2018 MIDTERM ELECTION POLLS EVAPORATING
Trump at highest approval rating since 100 day mark

The Democratic Party’s advantage on the generic ballot for the upcoming 2018 midterms has fallen by nearly ten percent, according to a new poll from CNN – a margin of victory that further calls into question the concept of a “blue wave.”
The poll found that 50% of registered voters say they would cast a ballot for a Democrat in their ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 29, 18 10:47 PM
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Did you see this !

U.S. Jobless Claims Decline to Lowest Level Since January 1973

U.S. filings for unemployment benefits unexpectedly fell last week to the lowest level since January 1973, further evidence that the labor market remains tight, Labor Department figures showed Thursday.

MAGA !
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Mar 29, 18 10:53 PM
Are you counting all those guys working on the wall?
By VOS (1241), WHB on Mar 31, 18 1:28 PM
At the rate the wall project is degrading, it will be a white picket fence somewhere on the Rio Grande.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 1, 18 9:46 PM
What day is it?
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Mar 30, 18 11:58 AM
@ DiseaseDiocese

Quotes:

" You ARE the sheep who runs away from trouble when those gun toting conservatives are running toward it to save your ass. Bahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!" - DiseaseDiocese

" I’d run in there [the Parkland high school] even if I didn’t have a weapon." _ The Donald
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The only thing that you braying jackasses have ever run is your mouths.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Mar 30, 18 5:10 PM
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Yup...and Obama loved America like OJ loved Nicole
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Mar 30, 18 11:57 PM
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trump needs to put this in the racist, xenophobic MAGA hat he talks through:
From the Cato Institute website:
Criminal Immigrants: Their Numbers, Demographics, and Countries of Origin
By Michelangelo Landgrave and Alex Nowrasteh
March 15, 2017
In his first week in office, President Donald Trump issued an executive order directing the Department of Homeland Security to deport most illegal immigrants who come in contact with law enforcement. His order is based ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 30, 18 5:41 PM
The very presence of ILLEGAL ALIENS in this country proves that they are all, yes each and every one of them, criminals. They broke the law when they jumped the fence.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 30, 18 7:09 PM
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Jumping a fence pales against the crimes your idol and his cohorts are guilty of, and are the ones you should be outraged over.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 31, 18 10:43 AM
Check out Ann Coulter's NYT video at the NYT about the revenge of the "Former Trumpers" which is gathering steam.

Suckers!


By PBR (4956), Southampton on Mar 31, 18 7:51 AM
Sorry pbr, I just ate. Just the thought of Ann Coulter makes me want to puke.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Mar 31, 18 8:04 AM
Oh peewee, but they're not being kicked off the air for being "deplaurable" and losing sponsors. (O'Reilly never returned from his "vacation", so it's tata Laura...) Besides, in the words of my beloved Gram, they're smarter than all the elephants.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 31, 18 11:28 AM
Why don't you and Little Boy Madcow, go and ride off into insignificance to wherever Randi Rhodes and Lynn Samuels have gone.

Laura is a blond goddess of truth and justice and we will NEVER let her be bullied out !

Got that ? Good !
Mar 31, 18 7:41 PM appended by 27dan
RED WHITE AND BLOND
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 31, 18 7:41 PM
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By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 5, 18 6:16 PM
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By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Mar 31, 18 10:03 AM
I love when people allude to their offensive ideas but don't have the guts to just come out and say them. Hi Sturgis!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 31, 18 10:05 AM
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By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Mar 31, 18 11:14 AM
I wouldn't be able to give you an opinion one way or the other because you refuse to tell us exactly how you feel. Maybe tomorrow?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 31, 18 4:17 PM
So to follow liberal "logic" regarding fire arms, only things written with a quill pen are protected as free speech?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 31, 18 1:05 PM
@ DiseaseDiocese

Quote:

"Yup...and Obama loved America like OJ loved Nicole"
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... and The Donald loved Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal, the eighteen other women whom, like Summer Zervos, he is alleged to have battered sexually ... and the repeatedly betrayed Melania.

What an odious pig you worship!
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Mar 31, 18 2:48 PM
Just like Billy Boy....who did it on the clock. I think HRC married Billy for love. I think Melania knew what she signed up for. Not that it really matters, I don't condone cheating, just an observation.
By Biba (566), East Hampton on Mar 31, 18 3:13 PM
Who cares? This all happened before Trump took office. Those hoes like sleeping with powerful men. Now they want to cry about it? I feel bad for Melania but Bill's stains are still in the oval office. Apples and oranges.
Obama on the other hand, created a racial divide in this country that we may never recover from. He pitted races against each other, crapped on police officers and took sides with social justice warriors who liked to fan the flames. This is why Trump won. The American people ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Mar 31, 18 6:20 PM
@Disease: Excellent choice of moniker.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 31, 18 6:26 PM
For decades the liberals have stated that what goes on in ones' bedroom is of no concern to anyone besides those involved. What's different with President Trump? Not a liberal perhaps?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 31, 18 5:14 PM
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@bigfresh: For decades Evangelicals (and other Christians) "stated" that it's wrong to have extra-marital affairs, to lie, to cheat, to denigrate and demean others, to steal, to disregard civil law, to betray your country by cavorting with its enemies, to betray your country by destroying its institutions, to incite violence etc. etc. Now who cares? What's different with trump? Not good Christians perhaps? Let's hear it, Reverend Fresh.
Mar 31, 18 6:23 PM appended by June Bug
Correction: Now? Who cares?
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 31, 18 6:23 PM
Right on Biggie!
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Mar 31, 18 7:28 PM
It's not that he had sex with a porn star, it's that he violated his marital vows. It reflects badly on his character and should give people pause when they hear his promises.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 31, 18 7:53 PM
Trump Lied So Much in His Latest Speech That It Requires Timestamps to Keep Track

It is infrastructure week after all.

By Jack Holmes
MAR 30, 2018
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 31, 18 10:25 PM
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By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 1, 18 12:24 AM
Yep. Around 9 trillion dollars out of the clear blue sky in 20 years.

Lyin' my bumper off...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 1, 18 9:37 PM
@ bigfresh

Quote:

"For decades the liberals have stated that what goes on in ones' bedroom is of no concern to anyone besides those involved. What's different with President Trump? Not a liberal perhaps?
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You excuse your idol's serial moral turpitude with an utterly fictitious assertion of "liberal'" opinion. A Liberal myself, let me tell you that "I" think betraying an oath is damning, wherever it happens. Your trivialization ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Mar 31, 18 5:54 PM
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The name of your business BF... or mine is not important. What is important is both you and I worked 14 hours for our familys today.

How many hours did you work Hat ?
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Mar 31, 18 7:31 PM
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HH and JuneZ: I have not defended President Trump's marital infidelity but have stated that he and the First Lady are the ones impacted by it .When Bill Clinton sexually abused one of his interns , in the Oval Office no less, the liberal media and the Democrat Party came to his defense, the double standard here is astounding.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 1, 18 8:10 AM
So his marital indiscretions have no impact on your perception of his character?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 1, 18 10:17 AM
If you've ever been on the receiving or giving end of marital indiscretions, you will have learned to not pass judgement on either party, for the circumstance and consequences are theirs to bear, and theirs alone. What's important is what transpires on an individual level afterward that more so reflects on character.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 1, 18 8:56 PM
I'll agree with you on one thing: sometimes what you did isn't as important as what you did after

After he cheated on his first wife he remarried and cheated on his second wife, then remarried and cheated on his third wife. Stand-up guy, that Trump.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 7:05 AM
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We're all sinners... well, all of us except Fore.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 2:33 PM
I never claimed to be a better man, but I never asked for anyone's votes either.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 2:50 PM
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Sinner!

Good to know Democrats are held to the same standard as Republicans.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 2:59 PM
Who should I be denouncing, John Edwards of yesteryear?

Trump is YOUR presidential pick, YOU make excuses for him.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 3:12 PM
He's doing a fine job Making American Great Again!!
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 3:26 PM
"He's doing what I want so he could be Charles Manson himself and it wouldn't matter"

Trump did say he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and his supporters wouldn't care.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 3:37 PM
Comparing Charles Manson to the President of the United States.

Classy.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 8:42 PM
I didn't compare the president to Charles Manson, I said you'd support him even if he was a serial killer.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 9:02 PM
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What's telling about that statement Fore isn't so much a reflection on me (support him if he was serial killer? Really?) but a reflection on your absence of any support - likely regardless of good doings.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 4, 18 7:49 AM
I understand that you can't bring yourself to admit you support a bad person. There's nothing inherently wrong with supporting a bad person as a means to an end, but you should be honest with yourself about what those ends are and what means you're willing to abide.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 7:58 AM
We're all sinners, and you clearly don't understand given the pious judgmental tone. You no doubt admire JFK and even think he was a great president - maybe Bill Clinton, too, many people do, and it's ok to admit that. But the hypocrisy of alleged attributing personal characteristics to that of ability to lead a nation is evident. Time and history as President should be the determining factor to flush out determination of the means and the end and prejudgement is simply evidence of being blinded ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 4, 18 10:14 AM
I'm not attributing personal characteristics to that of ability to lead a nation.

I'm saying that if you support a bad person because you think they'll do a better job, you should be honest with yourself about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 10:19 AM
So, what you're saying is, you know more about me, than I know about.

Well, that's not too (fill in adjective here) of you, is it?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 4, 18 10:50 AM
I'm suggesting these are a questions with binary answers:

1. Does Trump's marital infidelity demonstrate bad character?

2. Do I support him despite that bad character?

You haven't really enlightened us of your views on either one and merely keep repeating that bad character doesn't imply bad leadership (I agree!)
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 11:04 AM
Like all issues Fore, I've been clear on my position. That is, that we're all sinners - you included (contrary to possible personal belief). Placing non-human "God-like" expectations on humans as you will, is your own pitfall and the resulting judgment as a basis for other human attributes, qualities or abilities, isn't necessarily a direct correlation as ridiculous as the assertion is.

What you're missing is that I believe that its core, marital infidelity is a complex issue and I simply ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 4, 18 11:40 AM
I never said all cheaters are bad people, I said cheating is demonstrative of bad and dishonest character.

You can believe that marital infidelity demonstrates bad or dishonest character and still support someone, or that other factors outweigh that person's bad or dishonest character.

However, you're refusing to opine on whether you think cheating impacts Trump's character at all.

So character does not enter into your consideration when picking a candidate?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 11:47 AM
You've actually stated both about the President - bad person and character.

I've opined plenty, it just hasn't been to your liking. Let's add that character enters into my consideration just as it does any other person selecting a candidate. It just isn't done in a vacuum void of context or blindly void against the other options.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 4, 18 12:53 PM
I said that was MY opinion of the president and that for ME it played a factor, not that it should be sufficient for everyone.

Some people may not think that cheating on each of your three wives demonstrates defective character. If I understand correctly, you agree that it does but other, more important, factors weigh in favor of support for Trump.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 1:11 PM
LOL, glad to see you draw the line at infidelity while excusing criminality.

At risk of repeating myself, what I stated was that "we are all sinners - you included". Specifically restated, "marital infidelity is a complex issue and I simply refuse to pass judgment (of other people's circumstances) based on sweeping generalizations which lead to incorrect conclusions and flawed assumptions. In short, people who cheat aren’t all bad people as you've stated, though it’s easy to ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 4, 18 2:16 PM
Right. It's a bad thing that he did, but other, presumably good things, weighed more in his favor in your eyes.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 2:29 PM
You're forgetting to consider the bad things that others did, weighed more against them, too. Things Joe/Josephine citizen would be in jail for.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 4, 18 3:41 PM
Right. I'm not forgetting it. I understand you picked the lesser of two evils in your eyes.

I may not agree with the answer, but I follow the arithmetic.

What I don't follow is why you can't just come out and say these things.

Most people use words to say things, not to avoid saying them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 4:03 PM
You've painted a potentially flawed premise that expectedly draws a flawed conclusion. My position in light of that is clear. We're all sinners - you included.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 5, 18 8:15 AM
But not all of us are equal "sinners", and judgement of that "sin" enters into many people's political choices for various reasons, among them a person's character and integrity.

"We're all sinners" is not answer to the question of "do you support Donald Trump because you disbelieve that he has questionable character, or despite it."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 8:26 AM
Spoken like a true sinner.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 5, 18 8:47 AM
That is also not an answer to the question of "do you support Donald Trump because you disbelieve that he has questionable character, or despite it."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 9:59 AM
You continue to espouse a statement based on flawed premise that at minimum, projects your personal opinion onto others. I've been clear, multiple times now.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 5, 18 10:05 AM
People usually use words to say things, not to avoid saying them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 10:09 AM
Hogg fancies himself the leader of a national youth movement, yet he claims to have been "bullied" by Laura Ingraham.

If a high school senior is intimidated by a 54-year-old breast cancer survivor it most likly means Hogg spent most of his days with atomic wedgies and tossed upside down in the trash .

We need to boycott all of the business that drop Laura. These fools need to learn that it's conservatives who have most of the money, and their boycott will be much more costly than ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 31, 18 7:59 PM
"A 54 year old breast cancer survivor?" Could you get any less relevant? Is that what defines her - her age and a medical condition?

The problem is the cancer in her brain, her mouth and her heart. Give her all the support you want - you deserve each other. In the meantime, she's off the air, has lost respect and David Hogg, et al continue to get their message to people who actually care for others.

List all the companies you want - they don't fear you and your campaign of ...more
By VOS (1241), WHB on Apr 1, 18 10:07 AM
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According to Buzz Feed thousands of migrants prepare to invade America, at this moment a refugee caravan has assembled and is headed to the US border and apparently is getting bigger each day.

Please jam the ICE phone lines by calling ‪1-866 347-2423‬ and mass-reporting this. Their line, unlike the White House line, is open 24/7, and action must be taken ASAP.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Mar 31, 18 8:28 PM
Oh Jaysus, another Paul Revere.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 31, 18 9:02 PM
Hey bug, do you know when in history Paul Revere was first mentioned. Before the Declaration, after the Declaration, somewhere around the Constitution, maybe it was the 2nd amendment? Just curious if you visited the library, that place with the history books and dates and stuff. Was Revere in fear also, like all the rest of the founders who stood up to the British, their navy, their economy, their ability to hire German mercenaries? Or did he just take a ride one night? Let us know..oh history pundit.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 1, 18 12:37 AM
Israel Bissell.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 1, 18 9:45 PM
Hey Bayman, feel better now?
Ever hear of a metaphor? If not, you should check out the meaning. Might be useful should you ever want or need to be pithily expressive.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 4, 18 1:19 PM
Why did Laura Ingraham apologize?
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Apr 1, 18 8:36 AM
So she thought she was wrong when sponsors started canceling. That's a real rock, shut up and dribble to her.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Apr 1, 18 8:28 PM
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That's all you got, little child must play.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Apr 2, 18 1:15 PM
@ bigfresh

Simply, what you prejudicially attribute to political bias is actually a reflection of the change in the national consensus about the damning immorality of sexual predation by powerful politicians which has occurred in the two decades since the Lewinsky scandal.*

If Clinton were president TODAY, and was caught as he was then, he would resign his office in the face of certain conviction by the Senate.

The Right-Wing attempts to absolve The (Deplorable) Donald ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 1, 18 8:52 AM
What I can't stand is the singing of OUR National Anthem... The anthem is made to be sung a written. I is not a rock song, jazz song or anything but the way it was written. I watch disgusted at sports venues, nascar and other venues this travesty is going on. If you were in any country you would agree. Play a recording, PLEASE...
With no prayer allowed in school, I pray for all our students. They will become leaders in the future,
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Apr 1, 18 8:53 AM
Didn't Roseanne massacre the national anthem one time? It makes for good viewing if you haven't seen it yet.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 1, 18 4:09 PM
Not according to Roseanne Bar. She thinks she sang the National Anthem better than Fergie.

It's an interesting look into the Liberal mind though.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 8:47 PM
They both did pretty terrible but Fergie was at least trying, Roseanne was straight up disrespectful.

Didn't she rub her crotch, flip off the crowd, and spit on the field directly after she shrieked the final note?

She Colin Kaepernicked it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 9:01 PM
I can't begin to figure or fathom the Democrat Liberal mindset whether it be Fergie or Rosanne or Colin or.....
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 10:22 PM
It's easy to see why conservatives would sweep aside Roseanne's anthem disrespect, though.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 10:37 PM
Yes, Conservatives are a disrespectful cabal, all that flag waving and respect for the troops is so passe'
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 10:55 PM
I was talking specifically about the dismissal of Roseanne's anthem disrespect, try to keep up.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 10:57 PM
pw Herman , Laura Ingram’s mea culpa was a very hollow one. As stated above she’s a breast cancer survivor. You would think she’d show a little more compassion to someone who was also a survivor. She only apologized after her sponsors started pulling their adds. I’m not buying into her apology .id like to thank 27dan for publishing the list of the companys who dropped her show, I’ll be sure to use them whenever possible.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Apr 1, 18 11:07 AM
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Thanks pw, at least you have a sense of humor.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Apr 1, 18 12:25 PM
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Foreign- President Trump’s marriage is his business, not yours and not mine. He is doing an outstanding job , from the new tax plan to his Supreme Court appointment to his Attacks on Isis. Fred- Hogg was involved in a horrific event and he has my deepest sympathy along with all involved. That being said , he has been used by the extremists on the left as a spokes person for their anti gun agenda. He is a foul mouthed little twerp playing in the big leagues that makes him open to criticism, ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 1, 18 1:00 PM
Cheating on your wife is indicative of being a bad person, and I understand that you don't have any qualms supporting a bad person, but conservatives used to have a conscience.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 1, 18 1:13 PM
Not always indicative.
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Apr 1, 18 1:34 PM
When is breaking one's martial vows not a character flaw?

When one's spouse is deceased, I suppose.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 1, 18 1:57 PM
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Sometimes when a wife "checks out", the husband becomes unhappy. But instead of getting a divorce for a myriad of reasons (financial, children, etc), the husband cheats to find happiness...even after counseling doesn't help. Not saying it's right...but sometimes these things happen. Doesn't make the person "bad". Stupid and selfish maybe, but not bad. Not everyone must have the "partridge family" marriage like you do, Fore1gn.
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Apr 1, 18 3:32 PM
Hilarious. I'm not saying that I have a perfect marriage, just that cheating on one's spouse makes them a bad person, or at the very least untrustworthy, dishonest, and inconsiderate.

But we already knew that about Trump, didn't we. As long as he promises the right things, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 1, 18 4:07 PM
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@DiseaseDiocese: In that diocese of yours were you taught you're allowed to pick and choose which of the Ten Commandments you can safely ignore? Like the Seventh, e.g.? And by not obeying a commandment, you're still in a "state of grace" (a/k/a a "good person")? Interesting.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 1, 18 4:30 PM
You're "unhappy" so things like disobeying vows just "happen"? Strapped for cash so a little bank heist just "happens"? A neighbor bugs you with the junk in his yard so a little gunplay just "happens"?
Quite the moral core you've got going there in that diocese of yours.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 4, 18 11:17 AM
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The alternative was too horrific to contemplate , i much prefer someone not faithful in his marriage but staunchly pro America, pro Capitalism and pro business to Hillary and 3 decade of unscrupulous , criminal and corrupt history.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 1, 18 1:30 PM
I understand the "lesser of two evils"-justification. I don't agree with this particular application, but I can see it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 1, 18 2:24 PM
So bigfresh, would you elect Hitler or Stalin as the next leader of the world? Clinton is not relevant here except to folks who want to dodge questions about CURRENT REALITY.

Trump not only broke his marriage vows, but he continues to LIE about it and almost everything else!

Nice new term above -- mythomania.

Yup that IS the Trump Card!

When in doubt, just ignore things or lie about it.

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle !!!
By Nero (301), Sag Harbor on Apr 1, 18 2:51 PM
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Depends on what you definition of "is" is, Nero.

You see, people elected a president understanding he was imperfect and that private was private. Those that voted for him just want to focus on moving the country forward. Those that didn't who choose to choose party over country, focus on things like "broken marriage vows"...something that allegedly happened LONG before a presidency was even in eyesight.

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle !!!

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 1, 18 8:40 PM
Donald Trump has been a terrible person long before he cheated on his third wife. Or his second wife. Or his third wife.

That people want to ignore or disbelieve his deficient character is a personal choice, but that doesn't stop it being true.
Apr 2, 18 6:59 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
If he broke promises to each of the three women he swore vows to, what makes us think he'd keep promises made on the campaign trail? Much less uphold a vow to the constitution!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 6:59 AM
Donald Trump is a human being capable of good and bad, just like you. That is the only thing that is true.

To your append, what pure nonsensical lunacy - comparing marital vows to campaign promises and upholding the constitution..I wonder what Bill J Clinton and JFK, and who knows who else, might say about that.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 2:27 PM
Who cares what Bill Clinton and JFK would have to say? They're questions every voter must answer for themselves:

Does marital infidelity evidence a lack of character?

Does character enter into my political priorities?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 3:32 PM
Well, millions do care since you're giving morality lessons., and they elected Donald J Trump. You're spinning old tablet news.

The voters have already answered the very question you ask, and chosen him over a lying criminal who ran cover for countless sexual assaults and infidelities.. You see, this is nothing new. Donald Trump has been a public figure for decades his martial issues are old tablet news.

Does character matter into my political priorities, sure, and HlLLARY LOST ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 8:25 PM
If they already answered the question and remain confident with their answer, then it shouldn't bother them to be reminded of their pick's shortcomings.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 9:17 PM
If you feel the need to tell people they should reaffirm who they voted for in the last election....

...then you just might be a Democrat.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 10:16 PM
You're the one feeling a need to validate your choice of a terrible person for the leader of the free world, evidenced by your compulsion to keep defending it.
Apr 2, 18 10:18 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Sometimes the only way to win is not to play, Po! Just move back to the Roseanne comments and let this one be.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 10:18 PM
If you can't see that when you attack a president, you attack much of of America....

...you just might be a Democrat.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 10:41 PM
Cough Obama cough
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 10:53 PM
Who should I be denouncing, John Edwards of yesteryear?

Trump is YOUR presidential pick, YOU make excuses for him.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (2066), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 3:12 PM
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By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 11:15 PM
Obama had marital indiscretions now? News to me. That guy is an actual example of character and who people actually want their kids to be, rather than the bombastic bully currently occupying the oval office.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 11:18 PM
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Since you brought him up, if I had a son, he'd look like Obama.

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 3, 18 7:54 AM
Good for you? Unsure of the relevance here though.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 3, 18 7:59 AM
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Hitler or Stalin? Good Lord you're desperately trying to make your point but are just exhibiting an extreme cast of butt hurt over the fact that we now have President Trump, not the wicked witch in the White House. Fiddle that.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 1, 18 5:27 PM
Tito.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 1, 18 9:44 PM
You control your kids.

I'll control my guns.

There is no middle ground, the ultimate end game is elimination of the Second Amendment and confiscation, make no mistake about it.
Apr 1, 18 6:20 PM appended by Po Boy
The idiocy of Governor Cuomo drives this home... placing blame with the NRA, and then saying "common sense is going to win the day.” THIS is exactly why there is no middle ground and why we're a long way off from even scratching the surface on the issue. People like Governor Cuomo ARE THE PROBLEM.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 1, 18 6:20 PM
You live in fear of people coming to take your things, so you buy guns. You then live in fear that someone is trying to take your guns. Can't be an easy existence.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Apr 1, 18 6:54 PM
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I sleep very well at night and my existence is just fine. Don't mistake what you refer to as "fear" as the same thing of what I believe the Leftists would do in a heart beat if they had the chance. That's not fear, but a heightened state of vigilance.
Apr 1, 18 7:14 PM appended by Po Boy
You see hat, legislators have already decided what is PERMISSIBLE. But in true Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals fashion, the Leftists will chip away eroding those Rights wherever possible until they are a shell of what they once were.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 1, 18 7:14 PM
Maybe the problem is you believe too much, and forgot how to think or objectify others in society. Or perhaps you don't practice or comprehend the latter.

There is a difference between vigilance and abstraction.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 3, 18 9:45 PM
Or maybe you just can't look objectively at the company you keep. A recent poll identified 39% of Democrats are for repeal of the Second Amendment. I'd suggest that it is actually much higher but being the hot potato repeal would be, most Democrats temper their indignance choosing a lesser position that chips away at the Bill of Rights claiming that their jaded intentions are "reasonable" and "measured" in the process.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 4, 18 7:41 AM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

"There is no middle ground, the ultimate end game is elimination of the Second Amendment and confiscation, make no mistake about it."
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Ignorant, nonsensical, hysterical fear-mongering.

The 2nd amendment RIGHT of every citizen to own a firearm is settled law. The debate now extends no farther than the question of which regulations are appropriate and PERMISSIBLE to impose on citizens who wish to exercise that right. ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 1, 18 6:51 PM
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What I stated is 100% accurate.

You can talk of Rights, what is "PERMISSIBLE", "probability" and the labeling as it relates confiscation... it changes nothing.

The ultimate end game is elimination of the Second Amendment and confiscation, make no mistake about it.



Apr 1, 18 7:09 PM appended by Po Boy
You see hat, legislators have already decided what is PERMISSIBLE. But in true Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals fashion, the Leftists will chip away eroding those Rights wherever possible until they are a shell of what they once were.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 1, 18 7:09 PM
That the 2nd amendment protects handgun ownership in the home, but doesn't protect interstate travel with a sawed off shotgun.

Lots of gray area to hash out!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 1, 18 7:46 PM
"lots a gray area to hash out."

...what the Left can't legislate they ban, and what they can't ban, they legislate.




By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 1, 18 8:24 PM
You forgot "adjudicate" since we're talking about SCOTUS interpreting the Constitution.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 1, 18 8:27 PM
Whatever means necessary.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 1, 18 8:29 PM
To arrive at the correct outcome, whatever it may be? Sure
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 7:44 AM
Typical Leftist response...always thinking their "solution" is "correct" and we're left picking up the pieces of the unintended consequences.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 2:14 PM
Constitutionally-sound policy choices that work are, by definition, the correct outcome, whatever they may be.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 2:49 PM
Ah yes, "lots of gray area to hash out," lots of people to control.

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 3:04 PM
If by "people" you mean "mass shooters" and "control" you mean "prevent" yes, ideally that would be the point.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 3:16 PM
Nope.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 3:25 PM
I understand you're not concerned with ending mass shootings.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 3:30 PM
Ah yes, there's that middle ground.

I understand you're not concerned with the rights of law abiding citizens, preferring to ignore that criminals don't follow the law.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 8:15 PM
So why have any laws at all?

Ensuring the rights of law abiding citizens is not inconsistent with ensuring people like the Parkland shooter don't get guns.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 9:06 PM
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Of course, ensure the law abiding follow the law while passing law that the criminals surely won't.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 2, 18 9:50 PM
It's like you guys don't understand how laws work.

The point is to deter people who want to obey the law while holding those who don't liable.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 9:55 PM
You don't understand how criminals work.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 2, 18 10:05 PM
I understand that criminal activity is made easier by looser laws.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 10:06 PM
But under estimate criminal will.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 10:12 PM
So why have any laws at all?

Why is the solution to immigration/opioid crisis/abortion stricter laws, but not mass shootings?

The Republican dilemma: "how to have big-government cake and eat it too"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 10:18 PM
Yawn...it's not about the number of laws, but the efficiency in enforcing them and specifically the degree of efficiency in carrying them out. At the end of the day, the la abiding will abide by the laws, the criminals will not.

Parkland was a spectacular failure of government missed opportunities. And the call is against the NRA and control of guns...umm... (law abiding) people.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 10:29 PM
"Law abiding will abide by the laws, the criminals will not" is a tautology because those are literally the definitions of the words.

The call against the NRA is about their refusal to play a role in the policy debate other than blindly opposing any policy changes regarding guns.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 10:35 PM
Aww, the NRA won't play a role in policy debate on "gun control"...lol, they most certainly have, but you don't like the message.

Make no mistake, this is about elimination of the Second Amendment and confiscation.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 10:49 PM
That's the mistake you're making.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 10:54 PM
Make no mistake about it...it's about elimination of the Second Amendment, one itty bitty step at a time.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 11:06 PM
You keep saying "make no mistake" followed by your mistaken characterization of the opposition.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 11:09 PM
"Law abiding will abide by the laws, the criminals will not" is a tautology because those are literally the definitions of the words."

Fore, I'm not sure that is the definition of a tautology. How is his post saying the same thing in different words?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Apr 2, 18 11:25 PM
It's essentially saying "law-abiding citizens are law-abiding citizens and criminals are criminals"

The second part of both points is just re-stating the definition of the word.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 11:29 PM
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Seeking no truth, winning is all
Find it so grim, so true, so real

~ Metallica, "And Justice for All..."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 3, 18 9:57 PM
The left can argue all they want about gun laws, where you can carry, when you can carry, I do agree with the who can carry, but it's a fact that guns are not the most dangerous thing facing our school students today. This is just the one that's going to piss off the right the most and a hot topic now.

You care about the kids, invest in anti-bullying programs, programs to deal with depression, anxiety and stress, alcohol and drug abuse. FAR more kids suffer under these. This gun talk is ...more
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Apr 1, 18 7:49 PM
Are the kids dangerous because they have no friends, or do they have no friends because they're dangerous?

Are you telling YOUR son or daughter to go hug the sketchy kid in class? You know, the one whose parents you don't trust?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 1, 18 8:00 PM
What are you telling your kids?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 1, 18 8:25 PM
If I had school-age children I would teach them to be kind but cautious, and to be neither mean nor naive. You?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 1, 18 8:31 PM
I control my guns.

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 1, 18 8:40 PM
Good for you.

For too many people, not so much.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 1, 18 9:38 PM
I tell my kids to be kind to all, to ignore those who feel it is necessary to bully, until they put a hand on you. Then you beat them until you feel it is at the point when they will never raise a hand against you, not any sooner. I was taught to beat someone until they never wanted the beating again, it has served me well.

My children respect law enforcement, elders, those who have something to pass on. If they didn't they would have me to answer to. They don't fear me, they respect me. ...more
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Apr 1, 18 11:45 PM
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DNC VICE CHAIR CALLS FOR REPEAL OF SECOND AMENDMENT
But you’re crazy if you think anybody is coming for your guns, says CNN

It was Wednesday that CNN’s Chris Cuomo called it “a lot of bunk” that anyone was calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment, despite former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens calling for exactly that in The New York Times just the day before.

Molon Labe
By They call me (2826), southampton on Apr 2, 18 12:45 AM
Gun control is people control. When these idiots scream for gun control what they are really screaming for is for government to control all the guns. They want the government to have a monopoly power on lethal force in the form of firearms. History is replete with examples that democide -- or death by government -- is the largest danger to humankind. What these idiots fail to come to terms with is the fact that gun control would be enforced at the point of the barrel of a gun. They are calling on ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 2, 18 12:59 AM
That's a state party chair, come back to us when it's officially part of an elected official's platform.

Just remember ya'll, the only answer to "what will we do about mass shootings" is "forget about them until the next one happens"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 6:54 AM
Instead of Politics today, Fark added a category called "Swamp".

Trump lies need a timestamp to keep track of them.

This is your idea of fixing things?

Idiots.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 1, 18 9:40 PM
Don King backs Trump.

Any questions?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 1, 18 9:43 PM
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I have one: who cares?
Apr 1, 18 9:55 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Thought this was supposed to be a compliment. It is definitely not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 1, 18 9:55 PM
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farrakhan backed obama

any questions ?
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Apr 2, 18 12:04 AM
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Since you keep talking about him I actually took the time to listen to the "controversial" sermons this weekend where he says things like "god damn America" and, lo and behold, context is everything.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 6:52 AM
Are you serious...? Context ??? You've got to be kidding me. This man is a rabid anti white anti American and anti Semite and his speeches are indeed controversial...no quotation marks needed.
By Biba (566), East Hampton on Apr 2, 18 9:12 AM
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I never liked the TV show, Apprentice, and never cared about gambling casino’s or beauty pageants, nor do I care for women that entertain gentlemen, including bra and panty contestants. So when I heard Trump was running against Clinton, I thought it was a strategy by the Republican party; using a popular figure to attract voters that would eventually drop out of the race. I never thought he’d stay the course. After my pro-family candidate, Cruz was eliminated, I took the race seriously. ...more
By pigroast (100), East Quogue on Apr 1, 18 10:38 PM
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Well you think Democrats are satanists so you never really considered voting for anyone else, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 1, 18 10:50 PM
more like collectivist wimpy partisan control freaks
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Apr 2, 18 12:01 AM
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Fore, you appear to be like most liberals that put everyone in categories; we’re either all this or all that. Unlike many folks that vote all Dem, or all Rep, from the Presidential elections down to the Local elections, I prefer to vote for the best candidate overall. Before the last Presidential election, my party was Democrat. It’s not difficult to change parties, you just call the Board of Elections well in advance.
By pigroast (100), East Quogue on Apr 2, 18 11:09 AM
"you appear to be like most liberals that put everyone in categories"

This is ironic, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 11:44 AM
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TRUMP WARNS THOUSANDS MAKE WAY TO USA
DEPORTED CROSS AGAIN?Mexico aids Easter invasion of over 1,000 illegals into US
by Paul Bedard
March 31, 2018 12:21 PM

Thousands of Central Americans are traveling across Mexico to america sound like a forced invasion to me. This is why we have the 2nd Amendment, "we the people" have the right to form militia and bear arms to protect out country. The American people don't meed the Governments permission to form a militia and intercept this ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Apr 2, 18 12:26 AM
Go for it. I doubt you'll be heralded as a hero for holding families at gunpoint though.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 6:56 AM
Sounds like a legitimate justification to use the military in some capacity due to national security reasons.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 8:38 PM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

"There is no middle ground, the ultimate end game is elimination of the Second Amendment and confiscation, make no mistake about it."
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As has been your wont for the past year, rather than taking the trouble to provide authoritative support for your opinion, you simply repeat it (including, in your reiteration, a determined misreading of who it is that I said will decide what limitations on 2nd amendment guarantees ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 2, 18 5:57 AM
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It sure is this morning... more destructive disgusting white filth
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Apr 2, 18 8:01 AM
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I wouldn't for a second expect an ounce of honesty from the Left on what their true intentions are. With 2018 elections on the horizon, shredding the Second Amendment wouldn't exactly be sell too weel - but every no and then one of the flock breaks with the party line and states the true intent.

You've also aptly pointed out the SCOTUS declaration, so the slow, careful, methodical gutting of the Bill of Rights by using the media and children crusaders as proxies is the only viable option.

Whether ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 2:10 PM

Gun owners fighting to “keep” the 2nd amendment are EXACTLY the same as those freaks with the graphic pics standing outside the abortion clinic.

Extremist nuts
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Apr 2, 18 8:22 AM
Yes, and by a strange coincidence, people without guns (you know, the things that don't shoot people) are very unlikely to shoot anyone either.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 2, 18 10:18 PM
Abortion is murder! Those good people are just showing what really happens behind the walls of that abortion mill on Hampton Road.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 2, 18 8:34 AM
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Those good kids from Florida were just protesting about what went on inside their school.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Apr 2, 18 9:17 AM
TRUMP HITS 50% APPROVAL

Monday, April 02, 2018

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.

Of course they do whats not to like!

MAGA!
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 2, 18 10:00 AM
“THEY LOATHE CHRISTIANS”: GOOGLE REFUSES TO RECOGNIZE EASTER
Doodle commemorates Islamic & Hindu holidays but not Christian festival
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Apr 2, 18 10:18 AM
Trump NOW says no DACA deal.

Flip Flop

Flip Flop

Flip Flop

Flip Flop

Flip Flop

FLOP!

. . . goes the angry Bully-In-Chief.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Apr 2, 18 11:07 AM
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Trump is working over his voters by suggesting there is no deal on Daca. No deal on Daca means they stay.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Apr 2, 18 11:15 AM
Stick to the weather.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Apr 2, 18 11:15 PM
538 puts trump approval rating at 40.7% .
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Apr 2, 18 11:38 AM
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Because Nate Silver was so right on the election ?
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Apr 2, 18 12:46 PM
You discount a single slip-up in a sterling record, but buy into the appalling ignorance and persistent lying of a lawless mobster who lives a gutter life and denies the teachings of Jesus (you know, the Jesus you think had something to say on your abortion obsession).
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 2, 18 1:15 PM
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If Rasmussen has him at 50% we can only imagine what it would be if we had an impartial media and a Republican party that wasn't full of backstabbers/Rinos. This remarkable milestone occurs in the second year of Trumps presidency. Obama was at 46 percent on April 2 of 2010, the second year of his presidency.

Rasmussen’s daily tracking results are collected via telephone surveys of 500 likely voters per night and reported on a three-day rolling average basis as well as through an online ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Apr 2, 18 1:53 PM
President Trump must put the Military on the border to turn back the human wave of 1,500 Illegals marching from Central America through Mexico WITH Mexico's blessing!

His Poll numbers will then top 60%.

If he doesn't the next wave will be 5,000, then 10,000 we've seen it in Europe, I do NOT want to see it here. If President Trump allows these invaders in his approval rating will drop to 20% and deservedly so.
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 2:00 PM
Source: Politifact
Our ruling
Trump said, "The new Rasmussen Poll, one of the most accurate in the 2016 Election, just out with a Trump 50% Approval Rating.That's higher than O's #'s!"

Trump has engaged in some serious cherry-picking. Other polling in this time frame shows approval ratings for Trump that are seven to 11 percentage points below Rasmussen’s finding. And contrary to Trump’s assertion, Obama’s numbers in the same poll at the same point in his presidency ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 2, 18 2:42 PM
I'm sure Donald Trump would go himself but his bone spurs hurt, especially after the last round of golf he played this weekend.
Maybe he'll send Don Jr. with his big game rifle.
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Apr 2, 18 3:31 PM
FOXNEWS BACKS INGRAHAM; WON'T LET VOICES BE 'CENSORED'...
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Apr 2, 18 6:56 PM
The Paul Reveres and scaremongers can calm down.
The AP (a/k/a Fake News) is reporting:
Migrant caravan stops in field in southern Mexico
By MARK STEVENSON
9 minutes ago
\
MEXICO CITY (AP) — President Donald Trump is warning about “caravans” of migrants heading to the U.S., though the caravan of Central American migrants supposedly moving across Mexico toward the border was strikingly immobile Monday.

The group of about 1,100 people, ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 2, 18 9:20 PM
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We already have 21,000 border agents
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Apr 3, 18 3:31 AM
If Ingraham was so right, why did she apologize?
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Apr 3, 18 3:32 AM
It's about time fox took a position ,,, tired of this little d bag who was not even near the shooting acting like he saved people while hiding in a closet. It would be nice if the pencil-neck would curl up in a safe space with a coloring book, but more than likely we'll see his bubble-head bobbing back and forth on CNN and MSNBC tomorrow. He'll pound his tiny little fists of fury into the tabletop, and declare that know one can attack him because he is a child and a victim , as he curses like a ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Apr 3, 18 8:05 AM
When was he "acting like he saved people"?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 3, 18 8:44 AM
"If Ingraham was so right, why did she apologize?"

$$$, that's why.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Apr 3, 18 6:30 PM

I'm sure Donald Trump would go himself but his bone spurs hurt, especially after the last round of golf he played this weekend.
Maybe he'll send Don Jr. with his big game rifle.

I'm sorry, but that is funny.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Apr 3, 18 6:34 PM
@dnice:
"If Ingraham was so right, why did she apologize?" $$$, that's why."

MAKES HER EVEN MORE ABHORRENT.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 5, 18 6:06 PM
Junzey: "We rate the claim Mostly False." We bet you do .....

THIS BREAKING NEWS JUST IN ..... According to a survey by the Monmouth University Polling Institute, the vast majority of Americans believe that mainstream media outlets report “fake news.”
A whopping 77 percent of over 800 respondents relayed their distrust for major news organizations in both television and print — a marked increase from the 63 percent that was already skeptical a year ago. Of those, ...more
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 4:15 PM
CNN, the New York Times, MSNBC, Facebook, YouTube, Yahoo, and all the rest do not report news any longer, a fabricated or make it up themselves. Facts and Truth or not nearly as important as the narrative they want to push. And there in game is purely control. Glad people finally woke up just before it was too late. If Hillary would have gotten in we truly would have been done. power to the people.
Apr 2, 18 4:25 PM appended by widow gavits
CNN, The New York Times, MSNBC, Facebook, YouTube, Yahoo, and all the rest . Do not report news any longer, They fabricated or make it up themselves. Facts and Truth are not nearly as important as the narrative they want to push and there end game is purely control. Glad the people finally woke up..... just before it was too late. If Hillary would have gotten in, we truly would have been done. Power to the people.
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Apr 2, 18 4:25 PM
The left still hasn’t come to grips with the FACT that the PIAPS lost and President Trump is in the White House and have been rendered incapable of a rational discussion on just about everything. All one needs do is read the comments in this thread to see their unhinged rants.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 2, 18 8:04 PM
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Or someone need only look at the fact that every policy discussion ends in "well we won, so there!"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 2, 18 9:03 PM
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Obama Declares National Day of Gloating

By Andy BorowitzOctober 17, 2013
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 2, 18 10:10 PM
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Kind of like a lot of posts on this site Fore.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Apr 2, 18 11:16 PM
There's so much "winning" it kinda looks like rock bottom did for Charlie Sheen.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 3, 18 9:12 PM
@Ditch, @UD et. al:

"@realDonaldTrump
Thank you to Rasmussen for the honest polling. Just hit 50%, which is higher than Cheatin’ Obama at the same time in his Administration."
Putting aside the vile and childish disparagement of a man of great character those dishonest SOBs at Fox and numerous other polls that have shown trump under water in recent weeks must be rigged! Gallup that has him at 39 as of April 1, and the average of them that has him a shade ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 3, 18 12:21 PM
Excerpt 4/3 NYT OpEd
"For Russia, Trump was a Vehicle, not a Target"
by Clint Watts:

"Evidence of Russia’s intent to interfere in the election is overwhelming, and documentation of Trump campaign members’ collusion not only exists but is growing. The special counsel’s investigation into collusion comes down to two questions. Did President Trump or any member of his campaign willingly coordinate their ...more
Apr 3, 18 1:25 PM appended by June Bug
The techniques Russia is using to create assets and disrupt and weaken democracies can find them sketched in the rest of the op-ed.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 3, 18 1:25 PM
Won't be shaking your pom poms now, right MAGATS?

Source: www.Bloomberg.com

Stocks' Second-Quarter Start Is the Worst Since the Great Depression

April 2, 2018, 1:13 PM EDT
Updated on April 2, 2018, 4:24 PM EDT


U.S. stocks had their worst April start since 1929, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The S&P 500 index slumped 2.2 percent, a rout exceeded only by its 2.5 percent decline 89 years ago, a prelude to the devastating crash later that ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 3, 18 1:47 PM
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Oh, Ditch, we know you're fond of the Monmouth University polling. Thought you'd like to see the results of a general poll, not of just Republicans.

POLITICUSUSA
POSTED ON MON, APR 2ND, 2018
BY JASON EASLEY

MSNBC Is More Trusted Than Trump.
A new poll shows that the American people trust MSNBC more than they trust Trump as a source of information.
The Monmouth University Poll also finds that Pres. Trump is trusted less as source of information than ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 3, 18 2:09 PM
Good God JuneZ, how gullible can you be? CNN has been a shill for the extreme left since the damn Clintons and PMSNBC is to the left of CNN! They got caught lying to the American people but the Democrat Party sycophants just ignored it. C'est la vie.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 3, 18 4:10 PM
Repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 3, 18 4:21 PM
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God IS good. I've many blessings including good powers of discernment, so "gullible"? Nah.
So sorry the polling doesn't play into the ideology of the minority. Which raises a question: why no knee-jerk reaction when their polling showed that the campaign to sow distrust of objective truth and to discredit the essential-to-democracy free press is working among a majority of Republicans? Do you not question the motivation behind such a campaign or recognize the inherent danger? ...more
Apr 3, 18 4:50 PM appended by June Bug
BTW, Fresh, I should have mentioned that CNN has more Trump shills on the payroll than anyone else. Just goes to show you blindly follow the short-fingered a*hole whose hobby is attacking any and everything, and that, like him, you don't know what in the aitch you're talking about.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 3, 18 4:50 PM

Record-breaking ratings news just announced by @MSNBCPR.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 3, 18 6:32 PM
Well bf, if the pot is going to call the kettle black...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 3, 18 9:11 PM
First sentence (of many) handed out in the Mueller probe today.

Lock 'em up!!
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Apr 3, 18 3:05 PM
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Lock 'em up, indeed. But four years and eleven months less prison time for conspiracy and lying to the FBI than a black woman sentenced for voting while on probation? Seriously?
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 3, 18 5:01 PM
When you are charged with a new crime while on probation, you face your current charges in addition to whatever charges you were originally sentenced to probation for.

Also, this guy could probably afford a better attorney. Them's the breaks.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 3, 18 5:07 PM
I'm now thinking he may have cooperated with Mueller, hence the light sentence.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 3, 18 5:47 PM
Three years ago, Google used its influence over the Obama administration to pass sweeping federal government regulations over our modern internet networks. So-called “net neutrality” was subsequently sold to the public through a massive disinformation campaign, asserting that the rules as devised by Obama’s Federal Communications Commission (FCC) were necessary to ensure a “free and open internet.” Unfortunately, that description couldn’t be further from the truth.

So-called ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Apr 3, 18 3:58 PM
I'm not sure why you're talking about net neutrality, but it's one of my favorite topics so let's talk about it!

Net neutrality stands for the premise that the owners of internet infrastructure cannot treat one type of data transmitted over its pipes differently from others. That means it applies to internet providers companies like Verizon and Optimum, not service providers like Google and Facebook.

The reason those companies are in favor of net neutrality is because their services ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 3, 18 4:08 PM
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Wow. Another uninformed, low information card carrying GOP member.

My, how shocking...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 3, 18 9:10 PM
Proponents of Obama’s net neutrality often cite a dozen “examples” of ISPs blocking or throttling since 2005, but each case is extremely weak, was immediately fixed, or was a network management issue. However, in the 2.5 years the fake net neutrality rules were in place, social media giants like Facebook, YouTube and Twitter have repeatedly been caught censoring content (primarily from conservatives), blocking, banning or demonetizing users, and abusing user data with little transparency. ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Apr 4, 18 5:29 AM
You don't understand what net neutrality is.

It has nothing to do with how Facebook or Google handle content.

It has everything to do with internet providers, and how they prioritize web traffic.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 7:16 AM
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@ They call me

Another plagiarized article from the bowels of Breitbart. (Do you not yet realize that your failure to provide accreditation simply alerts readers that - - - once again - - - your source is cr*p.)

While claiming, without substantiation, that Obama passed net neutrality legislation because he was in the pocket of Facebook and Google, who favored it for strategic business reasons, the article fails to make a case for the alternative (of permitting net predation) ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 4, 18 7:35 AM
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That's the type of writing found on Breitbart? Just incredible.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 7:54 AM
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You're either for increased government oversight which Obama put in place in 2015, or you're for a market based framework that President Trump embraced when the FCC voted along party lines to remove government oversight to pre-2015 status, with the FCC arguing major telecommunication companies like Verizon and Optimum were reducing their capital expenditures in new infrastructure which had national implications.

Google and Facebook were potentially impacted since they were no longer the ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 4, 18 10:48 AM
If you want the internet to become the balkanized mess that cable tv packages are, this is the way to achieve it.

Internet providers own dumb pipes. Imagine if the quality of water that arrived at your home depended on the tier of service you pay for?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 11:00 AM
What is taking place in 2018 that we didn't have in 2015 to cause "the balkanized mess?"
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 4, 18 11:19 AM
Netflix was already asked to pay tolls to ISPs to prioritize its content in 2014.

Internet providers shouldn't impact the free market by picking winners and losers. They own dumb pipes.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 11:41 AM
Hmmm, from what I'm reading, the Netflix issue had zip to do with net neutrality.

The real issue between Comcast and Netflix

Dear Maggie,

I've read some of your stories on Net neutrality. And I've read stories from others about Net neutrality and I'm confused. Lots of people say that Comcast is already violating Net neutrality by slowing down Netflix traffic. I watch Netflix and I have noticed the video quality is getting worse, especially in the evenings.
What I'm ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 4, 18 12:46 PM
That's one view of Comcast's extortion. It's not the one held by Netflix, or lots of other observers.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 4:04 PM
NetFlix does not provide your internet service. Nor does Amazon, Hulu, YouTube, or FaceBook, et al.

I concur. You don't know what "net neutrality" means.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 4, 18 8:01 PM
"To understand why it's not will require an understanding of some complicated issues."

'Nuff said.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 5, 18 8:08 AM
"Whether you think you can or can't, you're right."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 8:11 AM
Now I see the problem, you think Henry Ford invented the internet when it was Al Gore. I'll take the c/net SME over Henry Ford on the Netflix topic.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 5, 18 8:43 AM
And I'll choose my own opinion over that fed to you by CNET.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 9:58 AM
And I'll choose the expertise of many sources over your opinion.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 5, 18 12:06 PM
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You'll choose the expertise of many sources as long as they agree with you, is what meant to say.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 12:18 PM
Will I?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 10, 18 10:25 PM
Trump tariff backlash causes panic in rural America as mega jobs losses appear on the horizon
Apr 03, 2018 11:49am EDT by Jen Hayden for Daily Kos

Gotta' give China credit. They're shoving trump's tariffs down his throat in a way directly designed to alienate him from the MAGATS. Mr. Biznessman's playing a moron's game of checkers.
Apr 3, 18 5:50 PM appended by June Bug
"We were hoping it was just brinkmanship and cooler heads would prevail. But instead, some of our worst fears seem to be coming true," said Duncan, who's also vice president of the Illinois Farm Bureau. "This is significant, real and serious for rural America." The tariffs could test Trump's popularity among farmers, many of whom voted for him and have since cheered his rolling back of environmental regulations. Tax reform was also well-received by many farmers, Duncan said, but the mounting trade war with China has them "darned worried." In Illinois, pork producers that have increasingly come to depend on the Chinese export market, particularly for cuts of pork less desirable to American consumers, will be hit hard by the Chinese tariff of 25 percent on pork. Buyers in China could turn to other countries as a result. The trade restrictions also could have a ripple effect on corn and soybeans, the two largest crops in the state, as both are used in pork production, according to the farm bureau. And there's also the looming fear that China eventually could impose a tariff on soybeans.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 3, 18 5:50 PM
Thats a load of bull, It figures you would side with the Chinese, Koreans and the rest of the trade cheats.

Its time to make AMERICA GREAT AGAIN that means no more free ride !

No more NAFTA, No more Obama Care, No more Obama Phones, No more Section 8 Vouchers, No more EBT Cards ! JUST NO MORE !

EVERYONE GET A JOB ! MAYBE 2
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 3, 18 8:11 PM
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No more Hood Rats or Welfare Queens June.

Everyone in this country can survive unless they are disabled or elderly and unable ! The rest of us need to get off the drugs and get off the couch! Ya All

MAGA
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Apr 3, 18 8:16 PM
Brainwashed. Unamerican. Unchristian.
Wait till the inevitable inflation hits. Wait till gas prices spike post the EPA mpg requirement rollback, wait till our car industry tanks vs. foreign competition. trump and his four bankruptcies is one lousy businessman, knows nothing about trade policy, and won't listen to anyone who does. He's old enough to, but maybe you're not.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 3, 18 8:30 PM
But, the trade war was over in one felled swoop. "Easy".
Apr 3, 18 9:08 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, the "Lifeline" program was started in 1984 under Saint Ronnie Reagan. There is no such thing as an "ObamaPhone". Never has been, never will be. GOP = Sucker
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 3, 18 9:08 PM
All part of the Art of the Deal .
Apr 4, 18 2:24 PM appended by joe hampton
Fair trade is a good thing, The whiners over on wall street will live. Also we could use a few bumps up in interest rates as well... so we have a buffer for a rainy day. Again the whiners on wall street will be just fine.
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Apr 4, 18 2:24 PM
What?

Bankruptcy and failure?

Will his father come to the Treasury and purchase 20 trillion in T-Bills?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 4, 18 8:03 PM
You should read up about Obamas fathers ( not from Obama but from other sources ) You will come away amazed ! Commies, Muslim Extremists and bums. One worst then the next,

Then we can move on to Obama Mentors if you have the guts! You know them ....

The America hating BUMS - Frank Marshall Davis, Rev Wright and Bill Ayres.

Come on Fore, You are the most honest of the libs on this board. Even if you don't like President Trump ... Are you going to stand there like Anderson ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Apr 4, 18 8:47 PM
There's a lot of fair criticisms of Barrack Obama, and you didn't name a single one in your laundry list of irrelevant-at-best and conspiracy-theory-at-worst.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 9:19 PM
Funny how I see it different and believe UD is right on target, Care to take them apart one by one ?
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Apr 4, 18 10:31 PM
Birtherism is a type of crazy I don't waste my time engaging.

I'd also have learn more about the rest of these conspiracy theories to debunk them, and I try to minimize my intake of trash.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 4:57 AM
Expected
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Apr 5, 18 8:05 AM
It seems that yet another fringe group has the gall to speak out against Trump and his EPA climate change denying chump Pruitt:

U.S. automakers

It seems the mythomaniac in chief still hasn't gotten over being roasted by Obama at the Correspondent's Dinner...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 3, 18 9:18 PM
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By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 3, 18 11:55 PM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 4, 18 6:10 AM
TRUMP SOARS TO 51% APPROVAL...
TURLEY: When will media accept president is not criminal target?

Wednesday, April 04, 2018

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-eight percent (48%) disapprove.

BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 04/04/18 11:15 AM EDT
In terminal medical cases, doctors often deal with patients who move through ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 4, 18 2:37 PM
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Can someone at the WhiteHouse please take Orange Cheeto's phone and tweet an MLK remembrance so that we can *pretend* for at least one day that he doesn’t have such a GLARING race problem?

By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 4, 18 1:23 PM
I'm on it
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 4, 18 2:32 PM
Great job 27dan!!

Trump Tweets Video Clip of His Remarks Praising Martin Luther King Jr. and declaring Wednesday a “day to honor Dr. King’s legacy,” The President went on to say it’s the American people who will achieve Dr. King’s ideals, not government. That should drive the Leftists crazy.
Apr 4, 18 3:50 PM appended by Po Boy
I stand corrected (sorry dan :( - maybe next time :)). Interestingly, the President tweeted his respects about three hours before June's hate filled rhetoric.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 4, 18 3:50 PM
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A race problem that OBAMA started. It took over 1 year in office for Junebug to blame Trump for a problem HE DID NOT START! I don't know about everyone on the east end here but I happen to work in a place where there are a lot of minorities. During the last few years of Obama's term...my workplace was unbearable. Blacks vs. Whites every day due to Obama's politics and words. Holder, DeBlasio, Lynch, and that rotten Baltimore's mayor's words didn't help either. THIS IS NOT ON TRUMP YOU LIBBIES....DON'T ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Apr 4, 18 5:37 PM
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@ DiseaseDiocese

Here's the thing, DiseaseDiocese, YOUR unique impressions don't reflect the whole world. "I" associate with minorities every day and "I" haven't observed any change in their behavior towards whites.

The accusation that Obama has polarized the races is simply another irrational, unsubstantiatable BELIEF in the true believers' canon, a compendium that exists only to support their demented ideology. It's nonsense, as are ALL their beliefs.

I invite true ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 4, 18 5:52 PM
POPPYCOCK !
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Apr 4, 18 5:59 PM
Here's my response: Winjin Liu and Rafael Ramos. Refuted...and I don't need opinions...I defend with FACTS!
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Apr 4, 18 6:24 PM
To hold the belief that President Obama is responsible for the racism endemic in America since its founding is beyond ridiculous. As also would be a claim that trump is responsible for it.
Miss the point much?
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 4, 18 6:49 PM
Since it's founding ? What ????
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 4, 18 7:48 PM
Well, Sturgis, there was once this thing called slavery.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 4, 18 7:58 PM
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Slavery/chattel has existed for thousands of years. It's even condoned by the "Good Book". Grow out of superstition, ignorance, and fear. In other words: evolve.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 4, 18 8:19 PM

And a genocide of the natives.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 4, 18 8:42 PM
"… In 1863 the Negro was granted freedom from physical slavery through the Emancipation Proclamation. But he was not given land to make that freedom meaningful. At the same time, our government was giving away millions of acres of land in the Midwest and the West, which meant that the nation was willing to undergird its white peasants from Europe with an economic floor, while refusing to do it for its black peasants from Africa who were held in slavery two hundred and forty four years. ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 4, 18 10:18 PM
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In 1863 most of our ancestors still lived in europe and had nothing to do with it.
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Apr 5, 18 12:11 AM
You don't think the end of slavery was the end of racism, do you?

Since we're talking about America's history of racism, not limited to slavery, it should be noted that after slavery a long period of segregation also happened.

In fact, the person who led much of the civil rights movement was assassinated 50 years ago yesterday, meaning that less than one generation has passed since segregation, meaning de jure racism, was a very real thing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 4:53 AM
Everyone is racist.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Apr 5, 18 5:09 AM
What a terribly simplistic view of a highly nuanced topic.

No, not everyone is racist, but the people who were racist in the 60s are the people who are racist today, plus whoever they taught their hateful views.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 5:16 AM
Well ....I'm responding to Junes comment ,I guess I misread it....Yea thanks I know about slavery. I also know it still exists thanks to welfare. Thomas Sowell explains why. And while I'm here can you tell me why you ignored Biba's comment on Louis Farrakhan? Or did I miss it ? Just curious.
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 5, 18 7:13 AM
I stand by what I said: the "god damn America" sermon was in the hypothetical and uncontroversial in-context. I can't speak to any other comments he's made as I was unfamiliar with him at all until recently.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 7:52 AM
It's rather amazing how Rev. Jeremiah Wright is given a pass as "hypothetical and uncontroversial" "in-context," even though his sermon was dripping in racial polarization, but the President is taken to task for the letter of the law for everything he says, even though it's clear what the non-racial intent of the message was.

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 5, 18 8:05 AM
Trump's words and actions are usually divisive and untenable WITH context, though the cable news channels have been known to blow some out of proportion (the koi pond food toss comes to mind).
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 8:10 AM
You just did the same thing. It was really this, but that too.

No, in context, it is just the opposite.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 5, 18 8:19 AM
I don't think so, but I have a hard time disputing without specific examples.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 8:29 AM
Nothing to do with what? The enduring history of whites having a leg up in America via government policy and legislation?
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 5, 18 11:53 AM
Great...."stand by" it...Unfamiliar ???? Really......??? Well now that you're "familiar"......
Apr 5, 18 2:44 PM appended by Sturgis
Do you own research. .
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 5, 18 2:44 PM
And what I'm familiar with, specifically the "god damn America" sermon, is tame and uncontroversial. Feel free to change my mind.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 3:03 PM
I may not hail from the United States originally, but I certainly feel American. What makes you think my origins are not as I say?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 4:32 PM
BRAVO SIERRA HH, your statement is completely false.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 4, 18 6:08 PM
Versailles helped caused a revolution.

Take a good look around you...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 4, 18 7:58 PM
City-journal (dot) org..............
Obama's Biggest Failure.
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 4, 18 6:12 PM
van·i·ty /vanədē/
noun
noun: vanity; plural noun: vanities

1. excessive pride in or admiration of one's own appearance or achievements.
"it flattered his vanity to think I was in love with him"

synonyms: conceit, narcissism, self-love, self-admiration, self-absorption, self-regard, egotism
antonyms: modesty

denoting a person or company that publishes works at the author's expense.
modifier noun: vanity
"a vanity press"

2. ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 4, 18 8:15 PM
Winning! and making Obongo look like the skid mark he was/is.... Trump voters were %100 right about him, you're welcome!...If Trump turns this around by funding the wall from the military budget, his real approval might go over 65%. The Democrats are going to get the scat stomped out of them in this years midterms as well.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Apr 4, 18 8:24 PM
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‘I’d wet my pants’: Ex-CIA officer nails the significance of Trump’s status as a ‘subject’ of Mueller’s probe

Elizabeth Preza
03 APR 2018 AT 23:12 ET


“I think we’re too soft on this. If someone walked in my room—in particular, FBI investigators — I've been questioned as a witness, not a subject. If someone walked in my office and said I was a subject of a multi-year criminal investigation led by a former ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 4, 18 8:45 PM
Came across this patriot earlier tonight.

AMERICAN TOWN MOVES TO CONFISCATE ‘ASSAULT WEAPONS,’ FINE VIOLATORS UP TO $1,000 PER DAY
Piecemeal gun control being rolled out across America

oathkeeper • 2 hours ago
I made an oath to myself, my family, my country. I use my property and door threshold as my line in the sand. My family knows that when a day comes that threshold is breached unconstitutionally that I have decided to defend whats mine and my rights, ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Apr 5, 18 12:18 AM
@ DiseaseDiocese

Your proffer of the murder of two NYPD officers by a suicidal career criminal as proof that President Obama polarized the races is, in reality, only PROOF that fundamental political prejudice has annihilated your reason (as it has for all [All right, "'most' of"] the Right-Wingers on this forum.)

Please! Prove me wrong. Give me a reason to respect Right-Wing opinion. The insane enthrallment that you lot parade daily is frightening to every patriot.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 5, 18 2:12 AM
I love Heather McDonald. She's a "right-winger too". But there are no conspiracy theories in this passage. Just FACTS. Again, highhatsize...this is now the second or third time I'm producing facts. You just resort to name calling and bashing the right (a typical, lame, and predictable tactic) used by the left ALL the time.
Taken from an article a few years ago.Here she is:

The more we learn about the latest assassination of police officers, this time resulting in the deaths of three ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Apr 6, 18 12:43 AM
Having the virulent racist Al Sharpton to the White House on multiple occasions is rather polarizing , wouldn't you agree HH?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 5, 18 6:39 AM
Obama's lying to his imaginary son didn't help either. Telling black people it's the police killing them when all data shows that the single most prolific killers of young black men is other young black men.
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Apr 5, 18 7:27 AM
What the data shows is that the government regularly treats people of different racial backgrounds differently during police interactions.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 10:17 AM
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Regularly treat people of different racial backgrounds differently, no. Possess a heightened state of awareness in dangerous and life threatening situations, yes.

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 5, 18 12:16 PM
You can go into the question of "why" it happens all we want but the fact is that in the criminal justice system, given the same exact set of circumstances, people of color are routinely treated more forcefully and receive worse outcones than their counterparts.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 12:23 PM
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Fore , look up obama and the Cambridge police, since apparently if you don't watch fox you do not hear about a lot of credible stuff.
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Apr 5, 18 2:38 PM
The case where the cops arrested the college professor for breaking into his own house? What about it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 3:05 PM
Do you really not know or are you just acting "stupidly" ?
By They call me (2826), southampton on Apr 5, 18 6:35 PM
What should I know about the case? I'm genuinely ignorant of any controversy surrounding it other than the default background noise that followed every Obama glance or breath.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 6, 18 1:29 PM
How about the esteemed Jeff Sessions? He liked the kkk until he found out they smoked pot. But we know the kkk has good people involved. Donald Trump and the birther movement, did that have a tinge of racism to it? Al Sharpton may have been at the White House, but he didn’t become the AG.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Apr 5, 18 8:11 AM
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Following your thought process Fred is like trying to herd greased cats.

Sessions, kkk, pot, kkk, kkk good, Trump, birther, racism, Sharpton, White House, AG. I'm not particularly a Sessions fan, but you do realize the 1986 pot comment, Session's attributed to a joke and apologized and those that heard the comment also attributed it to humor? The Washington Post "Fact Check" attributes his comment to needing context.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 5, 18 8:37 AM
My apologies Mr. Snerdley. I’m not a Sessions fan either, but he said it was a joke after someone called him on it. Then there was that pesky hearing for a federal judgeship. That went swimmingly for him.He has extreme views on race, you could say racist views.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Apr 5, 18 8:47 AM
Todays youth is going to replace the eventual attrition of aging population and they rather being indifferent, this generation will start going to the polls and vote for their agenda. That's a fact.
By Non-Political (125), Hampton Bays on Apr 5, 18 10:07 AM
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Reliance on the youth vote is a recipe for disappointment.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 5, 18 10:10 AM
ATTITUDE, is what is ruining us. We are AMERICANS, if you want to be one, become a citizen. Give to your country, don't take...
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Apr 5, 18 11:04 AM
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Almost a JFK comment there knitter!

“Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country,”
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Apr 6, 18 2:52 PM
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Damn near a racist comment there Knitter, cue Junez and the rest of the lunatic left in 3---2-----1---
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 5, 18 5:41 PM
@ bigfresh: Funny, only you saw whatever it is you saw. Calling Sigmund Freud.....
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 6, 18 5:43 PM
Residents of Illinois village have 60 days to surrender guns of face a fine of $1,000 a day . Chicago tribune

When tyranny becomes law, Rebellion becomes duty 1776 besides my AR-15 identifies as a single shot rifle.

Don't call them "Illegal Firearms." Call them "Undocumented Weapons" and let them live in Sanctuary Homes.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 6, 18 1:20 AM
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And so it begins...
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 6, 18 12:57 PM
Do you ever tire of lying?

Wait, nevermind. The idolatry, or perhaps more of a fetish served to the current POTUS explains it all.

They don't have to surrender their guns. Just the ones classified as "assault weapons". You remember. It's the term coined by the gun industry to maximize sales.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 9, 18 10:02 PM
Wait, never mind, it's the ones allowed by law. You know, the ones the Left want to mischaracterize.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 11, 18 10:33 PM
does a municipality have the authority to institute draconian gun ownership law that renders a legal gun owner a criminal virtually over night? I wonder how the Supremes will answer?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 6, 18 6:17 AM
If it's a regulation that the state could legally employ, the question is whether the power to employ it was delegated to the municipality by the state, see: NYC gun laws.

This will be a fun case to follow, assuming someone has already filed a lawsuit.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 6, 18 7:14 AM
Did you do your research yet ? FYI Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan , not the same person. I would love to hear your opinion on both of these individuals.
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 6, 18 8:33 AM
I'm happy to read anything you put in front of me, but I'm not interested in digesting random folks' biographies.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 6, 18 9:22 AM
What a surprise...You're all talk until you realize you cant spin something. Yea sure, those two are "random folks".
Why do I have to put anything in front of you ? You're capable of researching. Or not, whatever...
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 6, 18 12:47 PM
Because, presumably, you're the one trying to justify why Wright and Farrakah are controversial. There was a specific reference to the "god damn America" sermon, so I went and watched the video. If you think I should watch anything else...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 6, 18 1:26 PM
Could this hectoring to respond be any more tiresome? Or pointless? And why over these two men? Because they're angry over their second-class status? Well, how about this--a little introspection might reveal you share some anger in common. Isn't that why you voted for trump after all? Or why you persist with your demands that go unanswered? Someone in your life who does the same?
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 6, 18 1:33 PM
June.......I'm the one hectoring ???? I guess you're not familiar with FBHB's incessant hectoring, when he was pretending he didn't understand my previous posts...... nice projection June....
What part is pointless June ? Second class status ? Really? I wonder what Thomas Sowell has to say about that. Someone in my life ? You mean your buddy FBHB ? I don't think you understand how commenting works.

So instead of an intelligent response ,or perhaps providing proof, that these two men ...more
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 7, 18 10:27 AM
@Sturgis: excessive defensiveness speaks for itself. Then there's that little (resentful?) final paragraph...You know full well the second-class reference was to race in general. Anyone of color, regardless of net worth, knows how they are regarded, right Sturge?
Oh, and you need to study up on "projection" so you can use it correctly going forward.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 7, 18 10:39 AM
Oh I wasn't pretending.

I am earnestly unsure of why you believe the Parkland Deputies didn't engage the shooter, but from what I gather you think it had something to do with the same Deputies giving a mosque firearm training.

The interesting part to me is why you refuse to say it outright.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 8, 18 1:51 AM
Oh June let me rephrase it.... nice projection on behalf of your pal FBHG....I'm not sure how you get excessive defensiveness out of my comment, but now you, are definitely projecting ! How am I resentful ? I'm stating a fact.
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 10, 18 7:40 AM
So you're hectoring ...Yea...I know.
Apr 10, 18 7:43 AM appended by Sturgis
Wrong...you are absolutely, 100% hectoring because you know exactly what my beliefs are. Unfortunately some of us can't post certain things because we will be redlined. That doesn't mean we don't stand by what we believe. You forgot nothing. And you will not stop...because you like to hector people.
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 10, 18 7:43 AM
If by hectoring you mean prodding your beliefs and forcing you to stand by them, then yes.

What was your conspiracy theory about the deputies at Parkland again? I forgot.
Apr 11, 18 8:14 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I'm actually still not sure what your thoughts are. Care to share? Didn't it have something to do with your feelings toward a particular religion?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 10, 18 8:14 AM
You're still hectoring.......seek help
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 11, 18 10:43 AM
I'm perfectly comfortable with my words and tone.

Are you? If so, why won't you just tell us what you think?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 11, 18 12:48 PM
Now you're deflecting a tiny bit. When did I comment on your tone? I guess you're upset with the word hectoring. Relax, if it makes you feel better I'll use the word badger. I never said you weren't polite but you're still badgering me because you're well aware of what my thoughts are. I know this because of how you respond to my posts. This makes you quite disingenuous. Besides, I've explained myself ad nauseam. And I'll ask again, who is "us"?
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 11, 18 4:15 PM
"Us" refers to readers, of which there are presumably 2 or more. I don't think my tone is badgering either.

I merely want to know what you think, which you seem to assume I already know despite the fact I've been painfully trying to piece it together from your posts.

It had something to do with the Parkland depuies conducting firearm safety classes at a mosque?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 11, 18 4:51 PM
Did you really think I did not know what you meant when you posted "us"......? Yes, I understand there are more than two readers. Using the word us ,implies there are other readers, "on your side" which puts me in somewhat of a defensive position. And that is a form of badgering / bullying. Yes, your tone is 100% badgering because you are disingenuous. You're disingenuous because you are lying when you state , "I merely want to know what you think". You know exactly what I think.

Hahaha ...more
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 12, 18 3:06 PM
I would have to know what you're going to post to have the intent to get you redlined, but at least we're acknowledging that you haven't actually come out and said it. And even if you do get redlined, so what?

Are you so ashamed of your beliefs that a little red ink makes you shrink away from them? How bad can they be?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 12, 18 7:42 PM
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You know exactly what I would be posting because you already answered me when I posted it the first time. Badgering.... You're a bad liar. And besides, what is the point of posting something that will be redlined ? And why would you think I'm ashamed ? I guess June is the other half of "us"......
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 13, 18 11:54 AM
I think you're ashamed of your beliefs because you are reluctant to lay them out in fear that they will be rejected by the moderation team.

The slight consequence of having your comment deleted compared with the extensive effort you've gone through to respond to me while avoiding my question leads me to that conclusion.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 15, 18 10:00 PM
In addition to bullying and pretending to be obtuse ( or perhaps you're not pretending ), now you're gaslighting......interesting....
Your conclusion is false.
I never avoided any of your questions.
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 19, 18 11:27 AM
Is it gas-lighting to give you my opinion of your comments?

Though my issue isn't with what you say, but what you won't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 19, 18 12:07 PM
Now I know you're being deliberately obtuse.
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 19, 18 4:50 PM
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You are free to feel as you choose, Sturgis.

I just wish you were willing to share those feelings with us, particularly regarding why Parkland deputies didn't enter the building and what it has to do with those deputies providing firearms training at a mosque, if anything.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 19, 18 5:02 PM
You may need to seek help for your amnesia
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 20, 18 9:14 AM
I remember very well: You said there was a connection but didn't really go into what that connection was, at least as far as I saw.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 20, 18 9:17 AM
Back to obtuse I see....You must be exhausted.
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 20, 18 9:21 AM
Name-calling doesn't bother me, Sturgis. I'm more interested in the views you avoid expressing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 20, 18 9:27 AM
You already know my views.
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 21, 18 7:32 AM
I earnestly don't, unless the entirety of your belief is that the Parkland deputies had some unreported motive for not entering the school and that it had something to do with them giving firearm safety classes at a mosque.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 21, 18 10:10 PM
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By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 22, 18 8:49 AM
I guess you'll just avoid the question ad nauseum, methinks because you're ashamed of saying your thoughts outloud, and nobody is in a better place to judge your own beliefs than you. Have a good one!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 22, 18 8:52 AM
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By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 22, 18 9:14 AM
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By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 22, 18 9:32 AM
@ DiseaseDiocese

Your reference to Ms. McDonald's silly screed as FACT merely illustrates, once again, that the Right-Wing is blind to the difference between that term and OPINION.

No, President Obama's remarks on the relations between the police and blacks did not, in any way, imply "that racist police officers are the greatest threat facing young black men today." That's absurd, specious podcaster nonsense.

Finally, if one posts comments like, "[G]un toting conservatives ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 6, 18 8:24 AM
And you just proved once and for all...that you cannot be saved.
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Apr 6, 18 1:42 PM
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Obama never has the backs of police. His actions far out weighed his words. Those are the facts. Sending official representatives to the funeral of the criminal Michael Brown, was disgusting.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 6, 18 3:44 PM
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And that's your opinion.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 6, 18 3:47 PM
Sure is. Both personal and professionally.
Apr 6, 18 4:14 PM appended by Po Boy
His actions far out weighed his words. Those are the facts.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 6, 18 4:14 PM
No, that's still an opinion.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 6, 18 4:54 PM
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Yup, opinion is formed from actions or lack thereof.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 6, 18 10:57 PM
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Obama was a liberal tool and the worst President we’ve had. Okay, maybe he ties with Nixon but that isn’t saying much. Don’t forget, he invited that racist group BLM to the White House. Imagine that!
By pigroast (100), East Quogue on Apr 6, 18 11:27 PM
What part of the BLM mission is racist?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 7, 18 5:57 AM
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London's murder rate surpasses that of NYC.

Case Closed.
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Apr 6, 18 1:33 PM
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But but but There aren't any scary assault rifles in the hands of the common rabble, no proliferation of semi-auto hand guns, no 2A, no evil NRA how can this be??!! Murder by knife anyone?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 6, 18 4:33 PM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

"Obama never has the backs of police. His actions far out weighed his words. Those are the facts."
-----------------------------

["sigh"] No, they're STILL not.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 6, 18 4:40 PM
IF only the police believed differently, you might have a point.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 6, 18 11:01 PM
Look at you presenting feelings as facts!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 7, 18 5:58 AM
Feeling is believing, all brought about by Obama's words that were often highly critical of law enforcement and highlighted "police brutality" even before all the facts were in. That's a fact.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 7, 18 12:29 PM
11 months ago:

" You should all thank me for your bank stocks doing better,"
--Steven Mnuchin at the Milken Global Conference.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 6, 18 7:10 PM
IT SHOULD BE ABOUT THE WORKING CLASS !
Apr 6, 18 7:19 PM appended by They call me
Poll: Working-Class Americans Most Supportive of Trump’s Immigration Agenda
By They call me (2826), southampton on Apr 6, 18 7:19 PM
Yes, it should be. But it isn't. He has you all so hoodwinked and you refuse to see it. What is wrong with you to have reached adulthood without being able to recognize a con? Oh, and by the way, decent working class folk have compassion for the immigrant and refugee and recognize their contribution to our economy. They are not all racist.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 11, 18 11:05 AM
London's murder rate surpasses that of NYC....that is the London where nobody has guns. Six teens stabbed in 90 minutes....15, 16, year olds. Stabbed. Will and way. Guns have nothing to do with it, unless it's a sensational left wing blah blah point.

Grow up.

Case closed.
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Apr 6, 18 9:51 PM
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In a world full of fake news, we happy few have June, hh, z, to carry the torch of mythomaniac's into the future. The fear mongering, the evil guns, the bad Americans. Onward doltward soldiers....
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 6, 18 11:28 PM
You're still only mentioning the liberals. Perhaps. Did anyone find support for that story from DitchBum about the German principal yet? Or was he fear mongering with fake news?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 7, 18 5:56 AM
@ Bayman3142

Your implication that I post "fake news" is a bald-faced lie. In fact, I never have - - - and I take the trouble to post authenticating references whenever one of my posts is challenged (unlike the mindless s.o.p. of so many Right-Wing posters herein.)

I challenge you to emulate my practice in this very case and post examples of my "fake news" comments that validate your accusation. You won't - - - because there are none.

To reiterate, you are lying.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 7, 18 6:54 AM
You have posted plenty "Fake news"

"Besides telling us what she is talking about here, perhaps she could also tell us HOW MUCH MORE we are paying these folks over the $130/K base pay apiece that we were paying them two years ago (the last time that base pay figures were publicly available [under Supervisor Kabot's tenure])."
(Budgets are online, you just needed to research remember, I could throw in your V.I. sidekick with his "misstatements of truth" but he has been well established ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 7, 18 10:03 AM
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@ Bayman3142

Succinctly, this seven-year-old-discussion addressed the question of how much an STPD officer ACTUALLY COST the town. I believe (although it doesn't appear among your quotes) that I calculated the per annum cost at $150K/ea. at that time.

At this remove I don't recall the context in which the quotes you selected appeared and the resulting ambiguity makes it impossible to address them.

In any case, even in your select presentation, only a biased cop/former ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 7, 18 11:04 AM
My personal favorite, the adnauseum support of a statement that Mr. Zeldin "hasn't done a thing for the East End."
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 7, 18 12:32 PM
Knock your socks off, just remember to do some research, and stop lying.

"Succinctly, this seven-year-old-discussion addressed the question of how much an STPD officer ACTUALLY COST the town."
4/7/18

"Besides telling us what she is talking about here, perhaps she could also tell us HOW MUCH MORE we are paying these folks over the $130/K base pay apiece that we were paying them two years ago (the last time that base pay figures were publicly available [under Supervisor Kabot's ...more
Apr 7, 18 12:53 PM appended by Bayman3142
2018 Police Officer BASE SALARY $123,757.00
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 7, 18 12:53 PM
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Fake news refers to purposely-circulated inaccurate stories, not being wrong about something.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 7, 18 1:51 PM
"Fake news":Fake news is a type of yellow journalism or propaganda that consists of deliberate misinformation or hoaxes spread via traditional print and broadcast news media or online social media.[1][2] Fake news is written and published with the intent to mislead in order to damage an agency, entity, or person, and/or gain financially or politically,[3][4][5] often using sensationalist, dishonest, or outright fabricated headlines to increase readership, online sharing, and Internet click revenue.
Wiki.
Hat ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Apr 7, 18 2:39 PM
Incessant defense of a position in light of information is most certainly purposeful.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 7, 18 2:51 PM
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Stating a "fact" without confirming accuracy, i.e. being "wrong", is knowingly promoting information that is questionable. FAKE NEWS. Anyone who has ever taken a journalism course knows that facts must be verified by at least 2 sources before being published.
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Apr 7, 18 3:08 PM
You could have just said clickbait.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 9, 18 10:18 PM
Since I am on a "burying the self-righteous" roll, let me pull some other lefty doozie out of the history of 27east.

"I guess he doesn't know that commercial license holders who once were "in the wrong" at .1% years ago, are now arrestable at .04%. That is the equivalent of two beers in an hour, so the story goes.

You can thank special interests, pols looking for votes (and donations to their coffers), and the self righteous zealot tee-totalers for the lower, and lower limits. ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 8, 18 12:48 AM
If the pot it to call the kettle black...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 8, 18 7:05 PM
P.S. Prove your "God" exists.

Get back to us when you have some...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 8, 18 7:14 PM
Truth, knowledge, and logic are all necessary to prove anything.

While you may try to account for truth, knowledge and logic without God, you would be unable to do so without the Christian’s justification for them with God.

While this proof is a valid “transcendental” proof (i.e. one that deals in necessary preconditions), no one needs this proof. The Bible teaches us that there are 2 types of people in this world, those who profess the truth of God’s existence ...more
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Apr 8, 18 7:36 PM
Well, the bottom part is from "proof god exists dot org" but where's the top part from?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 9, 18 6:17 AM
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All you really need is an ethos which proclaims do no harm. The Bible was written by men, not "God". It's got nice stories, and I'm sure it was a real best seller when first published.

I can show you proof of nucleosynthesis.

Show us unmitigated proof of "God". A book written by people doesn't count. Put up, or shut up.
Apr 9, 18 9:44 PM appended by Mr. Z
Plagiarism is apparently normal for the "right wing". Perhaps Slime Alive is actually Meredith McIver.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 9, 18 9:44 PM
If you're looking for proof that God exists take a good look inside yourself, not the surroundings in which you live.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 10, 18 10:18 PM
Don't they say "God is everywhere"?

Now you're saying he's not in there, but inside you?

Does the hypocrisy know no limit...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 11, 18 5:32 AM
No. God is in the spirit realm and invisible to humans - not as existing everywhere. Isaiah 6:​1, 2; Revelation 4:​2, 3, 8.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 11, 18 11:04 AM
@ Jimmy MacDoogan & Bayman3142

Duplicity. You just can't help yourself.

You EDITED my statement (which you YOURSELF quoted in full originally), to support your baseless assertion that I spread misinformation. What I actually stated in 2011 was that the base pay of STPD officers INCLUDING BENEFITS BUT EXCLUDING OVERTIME, was $130K . You truncated this in your subsequent reference to "BASE PAY [period] was $130K". You then appended a notation that the CURRENT base pay is $124K, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 8, 18 3:14 AM
So he's calling you out for fake news with his own fake news? That's rich.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 8, 18 9:25 AM
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No, he's being calling him out for fake news due to the incessant defense of a position that's been exposed.

^^^^^^^^^Case in point ^^^^^^^^^^
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 8, 18 10:58 AM
FULL UNEDITED QUOTE:

Hello. What "current labor grievances" does the PBA HAVE with the Town? And if these phenomena have progressed to the stage of "grievances", HOW will being "proactive" "resolve" them more efficiently and without the use of lawyers? Maybe at her NEXT state of the Town meeting in July, ATH can tell us what she is talking about.

Assuming that "labor grievance", is politico-speak for, "We want more money" (the perpetual STPD "grievance"), a translation of her ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 8, 18 1:30 PM
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So if hhs isn't guilty of DWI, are you fake news?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 8, 18 2:43 PM
Just like you fore, a well thought out argument with facts and references, and you just skim on over it all. And if we are speaking on the spreading of fake news, where does it say hhs was guilty of a DWI? always thought there was something else that came after an arrest.....what was that now?
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Apr 8, 18 3:20 PM
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I'm just following your lead, Jimmy. Pedants abound.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 8, 18 11:09 PM
@ Fore1gnBornHBgrown

As you surmise, Bayman3142's implication that I have been busted for DWI is another lie.

More interesting though is the casuistry he displays in blaming President Obama for the cops' excessive salary increases. It is a further clarification of his character, demonstrating that in addition to his not being able to speak the truth (as we are already aware), neither can he recognize it.

Ditto his blaming the TOWN for the Kiernan/Costa lawsuits.
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By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 8, 18 3:14 PM
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Can you show us the excessive salary increases you are referring to? Spelled out clearly for us common folk. I see 8 years of actual data, and a 2 million dollar increase over those 8 years. Now, I'm no math wizard, but that is roughly 2% a year give or take.

Using the same years stated, health care cost the town an increase of 49.9%. (I'll have to check the website to be sure) so if you are using base and benefits, would you say 16% in salary is less than 50% in benefits? And why are you ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Apr 8, 18 4:05 PM
But you have stated that you see nothing wrong with Jay Sears' , convicted child sex offender, behaviors HH. You display a certain disdain for law enforcement personnel and seemingly condone breaking the law when it fits you.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 8, 18 5:15 PM
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Tech titans are out of control with censorship... You have to regulate these tech titans contorting the first amendment for the far left agenda, the fact is, FB, google, and twitter are so big that they affect elections and may as well be the government. Unlike Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Vanderbilt, the tech titans have NO CONSCIENCE AND ARE MORALLY BANKRUPT. They are corrupt despots. Carnegie gave away 2,500 libraries to enlighten all Americans with. Today, tech titans prefer us all dumb and easy ...more
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Apr 8, 18 8:44 PM
Conservatives: self-responsibility is the answer, not more laws

Also conservatives: the government must protect our data from ourselves
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 8, 18 11:08 PM
Admit the the four tech titans are unfairly tilting the playing field .
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Apr 9, 18 10:20 AM
It is similar to blocking access on a road. Facebook promotes itself as a public forum. It is arguably part of our infrastructure and very much a monopolistic enterprise. In any case, FB's actions are clearly viewpoint discrimination.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 9, 18 10:26 AM
joe hampton: You named three: Facebook, Google, and Twitter. Which is the fourth?

If I own a business am I not allowed to give that business a political voice? Do you think the government should step in to protect the speech of users on this website too?

27dan: it's more like blocking certain pieces of writing from a certain paper's classifieds or editorials; the medium is permissive to the public but privately owned and subject to administrative discretion, not the 1st amendment.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 9, 18 10:36 AM
You Tube, (Yes i know they are a sub. of Goggle but in some ways they are the most influentially dangerous to driving the agenda.)
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Apr 9, 18 12:07 PM
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Turns out I was right to reject all social media all along. FB: 'We do not post any hateful or provocative material and neither incite nor approve of violence' Yet any article calling for the death of, violence against, or defamation of conservative groups, causes and of christians is allowed. Nice to know where they stand.
Apr 9, 18 12:13 PM appended by 27dan
FACEBOOK DECLARES PRO-TRUMP DIAMOND & SILK: UNSAFE TO COMMUNITY!
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 9, 18 12:13 PM
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Face book gives cover to radical Islam who have been intentionally been breeding like cockroaches to outnumber Christians and Jews, in the end, Muslims will try to take over the political-social-cultural-legal-economic-academic landscape of Europe and America, then establish Sharia Law so as to completely destroy Jews and Christians which are the fundamental underpinning of Western Civilization. Thus, their goal is to utterly destroy Western civilization and history. Anyone who cannot see this ( ...more
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Apr 9, 18 12:17 PM
Dan: "any article calling for the death of, violence against, or defamation of conservative groups, causes and of christians is allowed"? I don't believe you.

Bum: I told you to lay off the infowars, that stuff is bad for you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 9, 18 12:26 PM
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F/B GONE WILD

Facebook Punishes News Site for Criticizing Mass Migration

Apple co-founder protests Facebook by shutting down account

Deleted Facebook last week. Was on Facebook since 2008. I will no longer support fascism and censorship. Period. Google has been replaced by Duck Duck Go and You Tube as soon as possible, Several new video platforms on the way !
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Apr 9, 18 3:07 PM
Shock: Facebook Is Tracking You Even If You’re Not on Facebook
BY PHIL BAKER APRIL 6, 2018

FB CEO Mark Zuckerberg talks about the company's 10-year roadmap during the keynote address at the F8 Facebook Developer Conference in San Francisco.

Facebook's problems just keep accumulating, drip by drip—or more like splash by splash. It’s now been discovered that Facebook not only collects and uses the personal data of its members but also collects the data of ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Apr 9, 18 4:01 PM
@ Jimmy MacDoogan

Always happy to elucidate the Right-Wing, Jimmy:

1) A salary increase of 2% (accepting YOUR figures) is 160% of the inflation rate. This is "salary creep", a remuneration in excess of inflation for no meritorious reason. It has been going on since the Rockefeller governorship forty years ago and is one of the principle causes of the stupendous STPD salaries of today..

2) Has Bayman3142 asked questions? All I have read (buried in masses of unexplicated ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 9, 18 7:46 AM
@ HHS

It really does get boring going back and forth with ignorance.

1.You conveniently choose inflation for your DRAMATIC one word emphasised statements, while the more intelligent informed reader knows INFLATION is hardly a worry in these parts.....its COST OF LIVING that raises pay scales. Try again using the COST OF LIVING index.

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By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 9, 18 10:35 AM
@ Bayman3142

Unbelievable.

You criticize my posting (in 2011) of the cost to the town of an STPD officer as being $130K and then admit (by reference to the town website) that it WAS $130K!!

What planet do people like you live on who think this way?

Do you object to my statement that the excess over the inflation rate of STPD salaries at 160% is irrelevant because it is the COST OF LIVING that is germane? Then produce the cost of living increase in Southampton ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 9, 18 2:20 PM
"So we award the highest pay to 32 individuals whose most precarious engagement is busting drunk drivers or being "menaced" by a malt liquor can in the hands of a drunk."

Clueless. I bet you think they conduct "routine traffic stops," too.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 9, 18 3:02 PM
@HHS

MIND NUMBING

If you can't seem to understand YOUR own posts, how can you expect to understand a well thought out post?

I am going to place key objectives and words from [[YOUR post in caps]]....please try really really hard to follow along, this is really mind numbing.

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"Besides telling us what she is talking about here, perhaps she could also tell us HOW MUCH MORE ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 9, 18 8:14 PM
MUELLER. IS. TOTALLY. OUT. OF. CONTROL! Mueller is so desperate after coming up with nothing that he is now going after the Constitutional protections of Client/Attorney privilege.

Time to fire Mueller.The butthurt of liberals is NOT sufficient grounds to flout your remit, and our laws, to pursue a wild witch hunt in a bogus attempt to overturn the votes of 63 million Americans!
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Apr 9, 18 5:53 PM
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Well the deep state is going with the full on assult of Donald Trump, when they should be going after , Hildibeast, Barry, and the rest! they need to be surgically removed with mountains of indisputable evidence (which we have) of their crimes in order to avoid an ugly and bloody civil war. Too many sycophants for whatever reason worship these traitors.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Apr 9, 18 6:09 PM
Geoffrey Berman, the US Atty who signed off on the Michael Cohen search warrants, is:
* A Republican
* A trump appointee
* A max individual donor to Trump's '16 general election campaign
* A former Rudy Giuliani law partner
There's your "deep state", Skippy.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 9, 18 9:08 PM
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We're not shocked a Republican would follow the law, we're shocked about all of this... and there was never an underlying crime.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Apr 10, 18 7:41 AM
Someone's Cohen to prison....
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 9, 18 7:57 PM
NO COLLUSION !
Apr 9, 18 8:09 PM appended by Erin 27 E
33 thousand emails deleted with bleach bit and hammers! fire out of control mueller.
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Apr 9, 18 8:09 PM
Yes the "you weren't tasked with looking for this criminality" defense works every time.

LMMFAO!
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 9, 18 9:39 PM
You can't even stand behind your own statements. Go play FortNite or something, the grownups need to talk.


LMMFAO.....LMMFAOOOOOOO.....LLLLLLLMMMMMMMFFFFFFFAAAAAAOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Apr 9, 18 11:17 PM
Are you having a party when you reach 10,000 useless opinions, or just putting it on the fridge?
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Apr 9, 18 11:21 PM
Sorry I'm not busy entertaining you. And, never heard of it.

Mississippi prison's conditions normal or barbaric? Closing arguments made in trial

Sarah Mearhoff, Associated Press Published 1:31 p.m. CT April 9, 2018 | Updated 8:59 p.m. CT April 9, 2018
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 9, 18 11:21 PM
"LLLLLLLMMMMMMMFFFFFFFAAAAAAOOOOOOOO"

Speaking of childish retorts.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Apr 10, 18 6:20 AM
It was sarcastic, thanks for joining the group.
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Apr 10, 18 7:40 AM
It's all falling apart isn't it. What are you afraid of? If it comes out to nothing like you say, it's a major political victory for you. Only a guilty person would say enough is enough. It sure isn't looking like nothing, does it.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Apr 9, 18 8:48 PM
Remember when the orange cheetoh said it would be good if we got along with Russia. Now D-Day is approaching in Syria. Go to war with Assad is going to war with Russia. For all you right wing nut treasonous traitors who thought partnering with Putin was a good idea should be imprisoned. All of this love of Putin, just to put a hotel in Moscow. This is the traitor you supported and elected. If he read anything about Russian history, you would know the bloodthirst for power Russians have, combined ...more
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