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Apr 28, 2014 10:36 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

As Housing Prices Rise, Younger People Take Off

Apr 28, 2014 3:41 PM

Call it what you will—“brain drain” or “birth dearth”—but a recent study by Community Housing Innovations Inc. claims young talent is becoming increasingly rare in towns like Southampton and East Hampton due to high costs of living as well as a lack of jobs and affordable housing and rentals.

Overall, Long Island lost 12 percent of its 25- to 34-year-olds between 2000 and 2010, according to the nonprofit housing agency. That stands in contrast to a 6-percent loss in northern New Jersey and a 3-percent gain in New York City. The study claims age disparity is most severe in Long Island’s wealthiest suburbs.

Housing Innovations found that higher income municipalities like Westhampton, which lost 57 percent of 25- to 34 year-olds, have lost far more young adults than lower income municipalities such as Patchogue, which registered a 4-percent gain.

Tom Ruhle, East Hampton Town’s director of housing and community development, said this marked sparsity of millennials that has already begun to show its face along the forks, threatening community vitality.

“Fire departments are having trouble recruiting and are having to hire year-round EMTs because they don’t have enough volunteers,” said Mr. Ruhle. “It raises the question of where are we going to be in 30 years if this continues.”

According to the 2010 U.S. Census, Suffolk County residents are already older, on average, than people across the United States as a whole—with an average in Suffolk County of 39.8 years compared to 37.2 years nationwide. Mr. Ruhle said the Housing Innovations claim that the disparity is more severe in wealthier areas can be demonstrated when dissecting the neighborhoods in East Hampton Town.

The average resident of East Hampton Village, he said, is 55.5 years old. Amagansett and Napeague came in at 52.2 and 55.4, while in Springs the average age is only 38.2 years old.

“Our population is slowly skewing older and older ... and that’s a big picture issue that we all have to look at,” Mr. Ruhle said.
Southampton Chamber of Commerce president Micah Schlendorf said the trend is affecting local businesses, whose owners are reporting increased difficulty in finding quality employees.

“A big issue we hear from chamber members is that it’s hard for them to find talented individuals to work for them—even part-time high school students to get started working for the local businesses, maybe go to school and come back and be interested in working there later on,” Mr. Schlendorf said. “That, unfortunately, seems to be diminishing because a lot of young ones are not coming back after school is over.”
Mr. Schlendorf said he believes high real estate costs, along with stigmas attached to the idea of workforce, or affordable, housing, are to blame for Long Island’s dwindling millennial population.

Eric Alexander of Vision Long Island, an advocacy organization that seeks to help local communities adapt to a changing world, suggested that towns and villages need to be willing to accommodate many young adults’ partiality to lively, walkable downtown areas.
“If Long Island wants to take advantage of young people’s preferences, which seem to be toward more urban living, we can, if we choose, adapt our downtowns to make places amenable for young people,” said Mr. Alexander. “The challenge for the East End is a lack of flexibility in allowing for the building types needed to make activities affordable enough.”

The CHI study claims millennials will continue migrating up and off-island to lower-cost urban enclaves like Brooklyn until there is a change in status quo on the literal home front, in addition to adapting downtown spaces to fit changing lifestyle preferences.
Former Southampton Town Supervisor Patrick Heaney said he believes this to be true.

“The way the zoning laws are configured in the Town of Southampton pretty much ensure that the only type of housing that will not be greeted with public outrage, public opposition or lack of political will is a small McMansion—and that’s discouraging,” Mr. Heaney said. “Someone who just gets out of college doesn’t have the equity to buy a house or a condo, so communities need to realize that if we were to ever put flesh on the bones of the ideas in our Comprehensive Master Plan, we need to have the courage to implement the ideas that appear in these studies.”

Mr. Heaney, legislative director for the Southampton Business Alliance, said he hopes the current Town Board will adopt legislation that creates standards for multifamily housing proposals to be directed immediately to the Planning Board if proper criteria is met.

“That way there could be a rational discussion based on the need for housing rather than the topic of multifamily housing in a Town Board room, where it’s just politicized,” Mr. Heaney said. “I say that because I was there. I know how difficult it is to get affordable housing.”

Current Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst did not return a call for comment.

The Southampton Housing Authority is currently partnered with developer Georgica Green Ventures on a proposed affordable housing project called Sandy Hollow Cove, which 25-year-old Tuckahoe resident Noelle Bailly, who works in real estate, said she opposes in favor of accessory apartments in private homes.

“It’s a really small lot, so we’re basically trying to figure out who’s behind it and why it has to be on this piece of property and why they’re forcing 28 rentals and now they’re calling it workforce housing,” said Ms. Bailly, who added she does not believe there is a local “brain drain” of her age group.
To her, the loss of local young people is a natural progression, not a problem. “Kids go,” Ms. Bailly said. “They go. I’m not from here. I’m from Montana. I left Montana and somebody goes and takes my place in Montana.”

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No surprise to me. We have four children, college graduates with masters degrees. They now live in four different states, and not by choice. As the article states, no employment and housing to expensive.
By Sandflea (35), Southampton on Apr 28, 14 11:52 AM
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maybe if you paid a person a living wage more of us millennials would stay here.
By SDRivers (14), Bridgehampton on Apr 28, 14 11:57 AM
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Kind of wondering what that means in the hamptons. A living wage here isn't the same as in Podunk.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 28, 14 8:33 PM
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East Hampton and Southampton are seasonal places with few year round job opportunities available to match the degree status and skills of of the educated youth we send into the world who must work where they find it. It's not personal; it's business..
By maggie (16), East Quogue on Apr 28, 14 12:13 PM
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we want to stay, thats the issue. Most of us love it out here, we need more local businesses so we can have employment oportunities. If the bridgehampton commons expanded as it was planned we probably wouldnt be having this conversation.
By SDRivers (14), Bridgehampton on Apr 28, 14 12:33 PM
Cant have it both ways SD, Vote Zelden
Apr 28, 14 6:57 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
dressed
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Apr 28, 14 6:57 PM
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All you would have in the commons would be retail, and mostly minimum wage jobs. The only exceptions would be managers and leads who are full time. The average retail department lead only brings in $10-$12 per hour.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 30, 14 1:07 AM
Thank you to all the CAC's the continue to stop growth and business from coming into the town.(i.e. CVS in Bridgehampton). Thank you to Town Board for continuing to drag their feet on projects that would create jobs(i.e. CPI). This "leave it the way it is" attitude offers nothing for young people to stay. The middle class in this town is continuing erode. You can build all the affordable homes you want, if there are no jobs to support the economy, you are telling people to leave.
By The Real World (368), southampton on Apr 28, 14 12:30 PM
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I'm not sure working at a CVS is what all recent college grads had in mind
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Apr 28, 14 12:46 PM
Major retail chains except for companies like WinCo, or Costco will provide all the $8 dollar an hour jobs you can fill.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 28, 14 11:05 PM
Bought my house 15 years ago. Couldn't buy it today. I guess that's good in terms of equity. Not so good in terms of thinking my kids will be sticking rooting close to us. Young people will be priced out and/or taxed out. Sad.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 28, 14 12:49 PM
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Maybe not in mind Johnj, but opportunities are there. Ever hear of working up the corporate ladder?
By The Real World (368), southampton on Apr 28, 14 12:55 PM
As far as jobs at CVS are concerned or any place like that unless one is a pharmacist I don't think the salary at CVS is going to afford anyone a homestead much less a corporate ladder to climb.
By lursagirl (245), southampton on Apr 28, 14 2:56 PM
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There's not a municipality across the country that doesn't claim a need for affordable housing. We should expect our elected officials to follow the Comp Plan, Town Code and N.Y. State law. Multi-family complexes are, by law, supposed to be within 1/2 mile walk from a village or hamlet center. Laws are created and in place for a reason. Apartments, in residential districts are accessory to primary single family homes. That's the law, which to some, is an inconvenient truth.
By SPCarr (17), Southampton on Apr 28, 14 1:01 PM
In the comprehensive master plan it favors accessory apartments vs. multi family developments. If more people were able to put accessory apartments on their homes it would help new home owners looking to buy, no one can deny $800 to $1000 more a month wouldn't help with a mortgage, and provide housing for those that can not yet afford it; with out the absurd density SHC is asking for. Also the Senior Housing project was not put forward to the planning board because of the interpretation of a 1/2 ...more
By Noelle (15), southampton on Apr 28, 14 3:06 PM
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Said apartments would actually lower property values, and increase the burden on the schools. More burden on schools = higher taxes. So we are hamsters on the wheel here.

By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 28, 14 4:39 PM
A MIL flat would be less likely to increase the burden on the schools. That is what I am suggesting as well but keeping the money in the homeowners hand instead of a quasi-governmental agency that has been paying someone for years who by his own admission has achieved nothing. One bedroom or studio apartments would keep money in the community to be spent in the community. Most people looking to buy a home would not see an apartment that could be used as a guest apartment if not rented as a decrease ...more
By Noelle (15), southampton on Apr 30, 14 3:08 PM
What us a MIL flat? A mother/daughter? Since when are those illegal?
By btdt (449), water mill on May 2, 14 3:39 AM
In the comprehensive master plan it favors accessory apartments vs. multi family developments. If more people were able to put accessory apartments on their homes it would help new home owners looking to buy, no one can deny $800 to $1000 more a month wouldn't help with a mortgage, and provide housing for those that can not yet afford it; with out the absurd density SHC is asking for. Also the Senior Housing project was not put forward to the planning board because of the interpretation of a 1/2 ...more
By Noelle (15), southampton on Apr 28, 14 3:06 PM
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All too true. A lifelong east ender, I recently moved out of the area exactly because the real estate market combined with property taxes are out of control. It breaks my heart. I was not willing to buy in a crime ridden area just to get something halfway affordable.

Ms. Bailly might wish to do some research on Long Island's demographic trends. Brain drain is a real issue. A great source of information on this is the Long Island index, at http://www.longislandindex.org
By eastpoint (4), hb on Apr 28, 14 4:15 PM
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my "quote" was in the context of a very long conversation that was dealing more on the facts of housing and how people with degrees will most likely not be able to find work in the field of their choice in the Southampton area. It is not that I don't think it is a problem so much as people want their kids to go to college and get a good job. If they can not get a good job Southampton in their field then I don't see the problem with them living somewhere else that allows them to work in the field ...more
By Noelle (15), southampton on Apr 30, 14 3:15 PM
That's right Noelle. The Comp Plan says; "A strategy emphasizing apartment buildings is eschewed for one favoring accessory apartments in order to preserve the rural image of the community. " Apartment, in a residential district, is defined in the Town Code as accessory to a primary single family residential building. We're asking for the laws to be administered equitably - that's not too much to ask.
By SPCarr (17), Southampton on Apr 28, 14 4:30 PM
Double edged sword to an extent. Let's say you move to Remsenburg. You've done well and you want to have your kids go to a good school. You plunk down $800,000 for a 3 BR / 2 bath. Are you going to feel good about accessory apartments being allowed on your street, renting at $1000 a month? Let's say 30 more kids hit the school district. The school hits back with "We have to pierce the cap. We have to expand." Now you have a few homes benefiting off the majority of homes. That's a tough sell. Affordable ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 28, 14 4:55 PM
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This article has been needed for quite some time, especially on the east side of the canal. It is incredibly hard to live out here for anyone between the ages of 25-34 and it is a demographic thats sorely needed. Property prices and rents are at such a crazy level where living with our parents is a fantastic alternative compared to losing a hefty chunk of our income. What else can we do to make a living and save for a dream that we very likely won't be able to achieve?
By Inch_High_PI (29), Southampton on Apr 28, 14 6:22 PM
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It's great for the Real Estate brokers!
By Jimion (129), Hampton Bays on Apr 28, 14 6:42 PM
Go out into the big world and make something of yourself then com on back the door is always open just make sure your dresses appropriately
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Apr 28, 14 6:55 PM
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Nicely said UD. There is tons of opportunity out there if you are willing to leave the nest and take a chance.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 28, 14 8:29 PM
I think a lot of young adults in that age group were told to go to college and get a teaching job and you will have it 'made' living in the Hampton's.
College is not for everyone and it is very expensive with or without student loans.
Service companies need quality workers even without a College Education AND there is room for advancement and money to be made.
By jpwork00 (2), southampton on Apr 28, 14 9:21 PM
Go to college and everything will be ok. They forgot to tell students it takes hard work and using your brain. Why do people think they are entitled to have a house wherever they want to live? I could never understand why people always want to be where they can't afford. I want to live on Further Lane in an ocean front mansion. When do I get my mansion?
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 28, 14 10:14 PM
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When do you stop bloviating?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 28, 14 10:48 PM
Some of us just want about an acre, and 1500 square feet.

If your parents paid about 50k for their home and land back in 1972, it would cost you about 283k today. That may as well be a 30k down payment. Chances are, you probably only gross 40 or 50k a year on average, so if you can save 3k a year (miracle), it would take you about ten years to get the down payment together.

There's your dose of reality for today.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 28, 14 10:45 PM
Yeah, it's nuts. Starter homes in Eastport for example are going to run close to 400K. Add taxes and homeowners, and in most cases PMI.
Working couple combined gross income of say $80,000
No chance.
So I've resigned myself to the idea that my kids will be living with us til they are 27 or so. Save, save, save. Then move out of NY.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 29, 14 11:24 AM
McMasions are ruing the east end, and there's a large element of greed going on out here. That said there's really nothing for young people to really do out here except in the summer time. Since I've lived out here it's gradually become a year round place and with that comes an adjustment. There need to be more places for young people to socialize and a glass of wine isn't $15. We have the Long Island railroad that goes to Manhattan; why isn't there more service? The MTA takes our tax dollars; ...more
By rvs (106), sag harbor on Apr 28, 14 10:50 PM
the answer my friend, is blowing in the wind...the Carolina's and Georgia!!
By Jaws (245), Amity Island on Apr 29, 14 12:02 AM
It's true. The best play is get out of here. I kick myself in the butt for not doing so before we had kids. I like my town and my community, but owning a business here is just flat out stupid. However, it is what it is for the moment. I just hope the home values are still insane when it's my turn to cash out.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 29, 14 11:43 AM
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There are lots of us here that SAVED for our 20% down payment Mr Z! Sacrificing, saving and doing without, overtime and a second job, that's how it has been done for decades, what's different now?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 29, 14 6:33 AM
It is different, BF, in that incomes have not paced inflation. When it comes to real estate, it's not even close. I agree with you in that hard work is always the best route to achieve goals. The thing is, this is a dollars and cents issue that is not stacked in young peoples favor.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 29, 14 11:47 AM
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Well, my grandfather was a fully licensed plumber, a mill hunky, and a Navy Sea-Bee in WWII. He worked regular hours, raised four kids, owned his own home, retired, and my grandmother was a housewife. They did it ALL solely on his income.

Try that today, Mr. Irving Berlin song and dance. You seemingly are of the crowd who will idly believe that the problem is people just don't work hard enough, which is quite a detached a view from the real America. Had minimum wage kept up with inflation ...more
Apr 30, 14 12:50 AM appended by Mr. Z
And for some of us, the "Great Recession" cost us everything we worked years for. For some, it was a decade or more. SO, my advice would be to stop coming around here with your self righteous "good fortune". The better part of 2/3 of this country have not been so fortunate, and you'd probably be bound waiting for your turn at the guillotine for sympathizing with the "Reign of Terror" and the elitist aristocracy in another time and place. You're lucky this is the 21st century, pal.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 30, 14 12:50 AM
25-34 yr olds? Riverhead: Yours to Gentrify.
By rburger (82), Remsenburg on Apr 29, 14 6:49 AM
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Taxes taxes taxes. Who can afford to live here anymore. As long as the teachers- and local government employees salaries and benefits are permitted to run wild the taxes will continue to go up and young and old people will leave. Thats why a lot of teachers and government employees decide to leave and go to a less expensive state while the rest of us continue to pay for their retirement. Google who are the highest paid teachers in the Country and Nassau-Suffolk comes in right on top.
By realistic (472), westhampton on Apr 29, 14 7:17 AM
Teachers and cops need the high salaries just to be able to afford to live out here. If they made less, there would be no way they could afford a house. And the Carolina's and Georgia are only good if you've saved enough to sell your overpriced house in the Hamptons and buy a less expensive house there. Houses are the only thing cheaper. My parents have a house in the Carolina's, and while gas might be cheaper, that's it. You can't go to the store and buy a gallon of milk for 1/4 what you ...more
By bubby (236), southampton on Apr 29, 14 11:11 AM
Long Island is sinking and it is not due to global warming. We know Nassau County is in trouble, Suffolk just borrowed 100+ million to just pay the bills, NYS budget is a lie, they just move money around to make things look good and all our local towns are on the hook for millions in debt and liabilities.

Cuomo likes to say NY is rising...yeah; rising taxes, rising cost of living, rising bills, rising crime. Te only thing not rising is jobs and and income. What exactly is there on ...more
By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on Apr 29, 14 12:22 PM
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By realistic (472), westhampton on Apr 29, 14 1:29 PM
Southampton Village stipulated that our landlord in order to get approval for a subdivision (on which would be built another McMansion) would have to abandon the use of the 3 bedroom garage apartment that allowed us to live in the Hamptons 'affordably.' We were told it wasn't fair to grant permission for an additional housing unit without giving up the apartment because it would 'increase housing density.'
Guess it all depends on what type of density--sure, lets get rid of a 900 sq' apartment ...more
By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Apr 29, 14 2:11 PM
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It's not only the young people who are leaving either. Just read the obituaries, and the often repeated phrase, "formerly of…[insert East End town]. It's very sad. There's no place like home, and very few ways to stay here.
By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Apr 29, 14 2:12 PM
Oh, and I love that the only actual young person quoted is from Montana.
By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Apr 29, 14 2:16 PM
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On a positive note, looks like they are finally breaking ground on the WHB business district. A project that's only been 13 years in the making.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Apr 29, 14 2:41 PM
... the WHB business district will be nothing more than a big strip mall.
By William Rodney (561), southampton on Apr 29, 14 3:02 PM
uhhhhhh, wut?
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Apr 29, 14 3:17 PM
I live in Southampton, and i worked at K-Mart full time and only made $97 a week after taxes... that is essentially slave labor, and seeing as how renting a bedroom (basically a glorified closet) costs about $400 a week, I could not live on that. This is a really messed up situation, especially if you are simultaneously trying to earn a degree, as student are basically forced to move and work full-time somewhere else... The rich get richer, and this is not an area that caters to the youth AT ALL. ...more
May 1, 14 3:13 PM appended by JohnnyRoq
PART TIME*** sorry, i would not have been able to work full time as it was i was in school as well, sorry for the mistake, but it is still a messed up situation.
By JohnnyRoq (1), New York, New York on Apr 29, 14 3:13 PM
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Your net paycheck was $97 for FT work? Was this in 1975? Because factoring in taxes and minimum wage requirements that's the only way this makes sense.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 29, 14 3:31 PM
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Part time, 20 hours a week at $7.25/hr most likely. $145 minus taxes, etc. would leave you with about $100. NO ONE in retail except department leads and assistant store managers work full time hours, except maybe at Costco, or Winco Foods. Everyone else in the store at the registers, and on the floor are kept part time.

Obviously, you don't know how retail works.

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 30, 14 12:59 AM
The writer stated he worked at K-Mart full time.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 30, 14 1:05 AM
And I'm sure he is mistaken. I will guarantee he was part-time, minimum wage, less than 25 hours per week. I've worked in retail as a salesman, and department manager. I know how the store works, and the compensation structure.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 30, 14 1:11 AM
Yeah that was based on the writer's claim the he was working ft. Retail is brutal. Dealing with all the gems of humanity for $8.00 an hour. Not fun. You used to see lots of hs and college kids working those jobs. Now you see more and more adults. That's telling in itself. I actually support a min wage increase to $10.00 but that sure won't do much to change the housing dilemma.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 30, 14 7:17 AM
The two biggest complaints I always heard were either about unqualified help who couldn't get you the products/services you required, or that the customer finally found someone who speaks English (no offense, just reality). Most people need someone to get them the right car battery, light bulb, appliance, or electronics for that matter. It's the usual story. People want qualified, quantifiable help, but are often not willing to pay for it. And, there are a myriad of reasons for that.

The ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 30, 14 8:26 AM
I usually start people at $13/hr. Sometimes more if they have a little experience. We offer mostly PT employment because the HC Insurance issues. Sad, but true (and it aint fixed) but that's a story for another day. I'd say about 40% of hires wind up working out well. 40% move on to FT jobs, and 20% are disasters who implode quickly. So roughly 80% of the people who work here have found their groove. The 20% are probably lost souls bouncing around. The point is, there is a very real balance in matching ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 30, 14 9:10 AM
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Just sold my house because the Hamptons isn't fun anymore. Too many rules and BS. Keep trying to keep things the same and you'll never learn. People are paying millions to live in CROWN HEIGHTs and BEDSTY. The worst ghettos in this city. Stop being so self-centered and look around. Just because you live on the tip of an island, it doesn't mean you're protected. It's only going to get worse.
By MsRainbow (19), Southampton on Apr 29, 14 6:25 PM
Selling your house because "the Hamptons isn't fun anymore" seems like sound and practical reasoning. I may do the same if my road gets, dare I say, dull.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 30, 14 2:23 PM
First of all, this article was one of the best on my research so kudos to Gianna Volpe. Second, the comments reflect some really intelligent debate. The root of the problem is misguided personal self-interest guiding zoning policy that thwarts operation of the free market. The market today would build more affordable multifamily housing but is prevented by exclusionary zoning. Homeowners for 30 years have believed that by restricting zoning to single family housed they would restrict supply ...more
By Narfull (1), White Plains on Apr 29, 14 6:46 PM
One of the best posts I've seen on this site.

What do homeowners want financially? Their property values to go through the roof (good investment).
What do they want for their kids? For them to be able to live in the same area.
What DON'T they want in their neighborhood? Multi-family (affordable) housing projects
What DON'T they want in their neighborhood? Lots and Lots of businesses/industrial uses.

The wants and don't wants are completely incompatible. It's ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 29, 14 8:41 PM
A 10-15% return on a mortgage in 20 years seems acceptable and a decent ROI to me. Heck, even breaking even you have still gained equity, and can recoup the value of the home and find another. In most cases, we have seen a 1000% increase and MORE in the last thirty years around here.

Welcome to the fiat economy. Show me a fiat currency that hasn't failed. Ones that just haven't failed yet don't count...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 30, 14 8:34 AM
"Show me a fiat currency that hasn't failed. Ones that just haven't failed yet don't count..."

Isn't that impossible? If it has was successful then why would it no longer be in use? That's like saying "show me a language that hasn't become outdated, one's that haven't become outdated yet don't count"
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 30, 14 9:42 AM
That's the point. Sooner or later, they all fail. In some cases miserably.

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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 30, 14 4:09 PM
The Comprehensive Plan is nonsense, used or disregarded at the whim of the hacks in Town Hall. The CP recognizes that waterfront recreational businesses are essential to the economy of the area but the Town Board has just succeeded in removing the last oceanfront beach club in the town. That is a perfect example of subtracting things that keep the economic engine running and young people coming to the area and staying to raise families, open businesses and employ others.
By VOS (1241), WHB on Apr 29, 14 7:29 PM
While I appreciate the sentiment, I would have to seriously question the mindset of someone who would stay here solely to go to Neptune's.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Apr 30, 14 11:47 AM
No need to question. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of families living here that started as weekenders and "summer people". These are people who now own businesses or are employed in fields where they can work from home or commute.

Thirty, forty, fifty years ago there were no vacancies on Main St and every motel hung the "No Vacancy" sign every weekend and most of July and August. The politicians have sucked the life and prosperity out of western Southampton Town.
By VOS (1241), WHB on May 2, 14 12:29 AM
Perhaps we should go back to hunting, farming and bartering. Unfortunately most of us would die, but there would be some nice farms with rooms and meals for the help. Joking of course. Sort of.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 30, 14 7:28 AM
I left in 1987 for college in SC and haven't moved back. Earned a degree in engineering. There are no jobs and housing is too high to afford especially after taxes. Forget about starting a family. NIMBY did this and the over taxing of the people. My wife's family still live in SH and only can do so since they have kept their old inherited farms and homesteads in the family. My family started leaving in the 80's. We now live in VA, DE and SC. We are almost all gone from NY now. My mother in ...more
By Baymen87 (135), Lugoff, SC on Apr 30, 14 3:54 PM
A poll just out by Gallup indicates that 41% of New Yorkers, not just the young, would leave today if they could. That is approximately8 million people or roughly the entire population of NYC.
By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on May 1, 14 12:42 PM
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I'm a year round resident and kept applying for jobs at Southampton Hospital for which I was well qualified due to education and experience. I was finally told on the sly that all the positions I was applying for were really temporary seasonal hospital jobs filled by young "travelers" brought in from other states for the summer. I told them I'd be willing to work seasonally and they still wouldn't hire me. I'd be out of here in a heartbeat if I weren't tied here by family obligations. I don't blame ...more
By btdt (449), water mill on May 2, 14 3:35 AM
I have to laugh at the people claiming they had to leave Southampton because they're being taxed to death. Try living in Manorville or Patchogue with a lower quality of life and a much higher property tax. My mother's former home -- about 1000 sq ft on a 100x60 lot without sidewalks, boxed in by 4 major, busy roadways -- has double the taxes of my 2,000 sq ft home on an acre. Taxes are great here compared to up island.
By btdt (449), water mill on May 2, 14 3:58 AM
TRUE!!! Southampton school district is one of the most affordable tax wise. My brother lives in Hampton Bays , his house is appraised within a couple of thousand of mine and he pays 3X more in property taxes! His boss lives in Center Moriches and pays 2X what he does!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 2, 14 6:12 AM
I tried to stay, lived in Southampton, commuted to Nassau. I couldnt afford to rent a place so I lived at home. I love my hometown, miss it and my family. Its hard to enjoy when you are constantly working or commuting. I spent more time in my car and at work than I did at home. Then I moved to Nassau. It wasnt cheap but it was more affordable than Southampton. Layoffs, changes in the economy and employment opportunities in NY sent me south. Now I reside in DE with no intention of moving back. ...more
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on May 2, 14 12:39 PM
teachers and cops can't afford to buy here who are you kidding with that. I live in an area where cops live and none of their wives work. Cops and teachers making 150k a year and don't have to save a penny for retirement because when they do retire they get 75 to 100k pensions. The basic problem is that there are only three well paying jobs out east school districts, cops and some specific trades like plumbers.
By maxwell (169), speonk on May 4, 14 4:26 PM
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