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Sep 23, 2019 8:44 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Zeldin Calls For Federal Review Of New York State Driver's License Law

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin.  PRESS FILE
Sep 24, 2019 12:21 PM

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin has asked U.S. Attorney General William Barr to review New York State’s recently passed “Green Light Law,” which would allow undocumented immigrants to obtain basic state driver’s licenses — and possibly to help try to block it in federal court.

Mr. Zeldin and five other members of New York’s congressional delegation penned a letter to Mr. Barr last week asking him to review the constitutionality of the state’s law, and to lend the support of the Justice Department to lawsuits filed by two upstate counties challenging the law.

“The Green Light Law would require the New York Department of Motor Vehicles to issue driver’s licenses to people unlawfully in the United States and withhold information from federal law enforcement on applicant records,” the letter from the six Republicans reads. “We write to request the Department of Justice to review the constitutionality of this newly enacted law in accordance with federal immigration law and, as you determine on the merits, support litigation in federal court to stop the implementation of this statute.”

The county clerks of Erie and Rensselaer counties have each filed federal lawsuits seeking to stop the state from implementing the law, which is due to take effect in December, claiming that it requires some county officials to violate various federal immigration laws.

In an interview on Monday, Mr. Zeldin concurred with the county clerks and said that, in particular, a provision of the Green Light Law that bars clerks from providing federal immigration authorities with records of any undocumented immigrant who is issued a license would seem to violate federal statutes that criminalize concealing an undocumented immigrant from federal authorities.

He also said that provisions that make the licenses issued to those without immigration documents look essentially like others violates the federal Real ID law — though the state licenses issued to those without immigration papers will be stamped with a notation that the license should not be used for “federal purposes.”

The congressman from Shirley also said that he thinks the new license allowance, and the state’s requirement that all driver’s license applicants be given voter registration documents, sets the state up for voter fraud.

“If you are not in the country legally and you go for a driver’s license, you would be given voter registration forms anyway — and we know that ... there have been instances when people have successfully registered to vote when they were not here legally,” Mr. Zeldin said. “It puts those who are in the position of accepting these documents in the position of accepting these forms but not being involved in the process of vetting their [propriety].”

The law, which passed both houses of the State Legislature and was signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo in June, effectively lifts the requirement that driver’s license applicants show proof of immigration status if they offer a foreign passport or driver’s license as proof of identity and age. Since 2007, the state had required that everyone applying for a driver’s license with foreign documents also provide a visa or green card as proof that they were in the country legally.

Proponents of the change had pitched the rule as public safety measure, noting that by allowing all residents to be licensed would also ensure proper driver training and encourage drivers to purchase insurance. The licenses could not be used as identification for travel.

The bill had been pressed by advocates for the immigrant community, and the East Hampton Town Board in May approved a resolution memorializing its support for the bill.

“They have a different view of immigration and seem to be in denial of the fact that there’s a lot of people who are living here and are driving, and they should have to take a test and get insurance like everyone else,” Supervisor Peter Van Scoyoc said of the objections from the congressional representatives.

“From our standpoint at the local level, it’s an important thing for public safety, which is why that’s how it was done until 2007. It just makes sense.”

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At least some in Congress has sense. Wake up congress. ILLEGAL only in America.
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Sep 24, 19 12:38 PM
Great! Let's have SCOTUS answer the question of whether the issuance of drivers' licenses falls under states' rights or not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 12:47 PM
I recently renewed my DL. I was required to provide an ORIGINAL birth certificate, ORIGINALsocial security card and two utility bills showing place of residence. I am a US citizen, veteran and 30 year law enforcement officer. Once again I feel like a second class citizen Don't lecture to me that they are getting a "BASIC" DL. The primary reason of a DL is to legally drive a vehicle. What kind of documentation does an UNDOCUMENTED" immigrant provide????
By P. Revere (152), hampton Bays on Sep 24, 19 1:10 PM
So you do understand that your driver's license is good for federal purposes while the ones issued to undocumented people are not?

By the way, I just renewed my license and didn't need any of that, but I'm OK with a "not for federal purposes" stamp in the corner.

If I want federal ID I'll get one.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 1:13 PM
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By P. Revere (152), hampton Bays on Sep 24, 19 1:27 PM
Your prejudice is showing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 1:31 PM
Little Lee's out of his element
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Sep 24, 19 1:58 PM
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He has been for a term and, ugh, a half. Defeat the twit!
By Jolly Roger (31), Southampton on Sep 26, 19 11:31 AM
I really don't why some people support ILLEGAL people entering the country. They use the schools, hospitals and other state benefits that you are paying for in your taxes. They get it for FREE while you pay for food, prescriptions, doctors and other benefits.
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Sep 24, 19 2:13 PM
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Nobody supports people entering the country illegally without consequence. A local food pantry is just as open to citizens as it is to non-citizens and undocumented immigrants pay taxes too.

People who are already here should have access to driver's licenses so they can buy insurance and reduce rates for everyone.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 2:19 PM
@ Knitter -- Does anyone who ever broke any law become forever illegal? How long after breaking a law is a person illegal for? Are there laws a person can break while maintaining their legal status and if so which ones and why?
By Aeshtron (430), Southampton on Sep 24, 19 2:22 PM
How long do you think crimes should stay on a criminal record so that they show up on a background check if someone wants to buy a gun?
By even fIow (60), Westhampton Beach on Sep 24, 19 2:44 PM
"Nobody supports people entering the country illegally without consequence."

Yup! And they shouldn't be rewarded with citizenship either!
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 24, 19 4:17 PM
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That sounds like a matter of opinion. I think people who came to this country through no fault of their own and have grown up as Americans should have a path to citizenship.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 4:23 PM
Did you just change the topic?

Didn't they enter the country illegally?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 24, 19 4:33 PM
I think you changed the topic and I followed suit.

Some entered illegally and some overstayed illegally, many through no fault of their own.

What about it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 4:45 PM
So name the undocumented immigrants who pay Fed and State income tax? You need a SS or Tax ID number. Undocumetned is the problem.

Illegals break the law and steal every day from Americans.
By Hamptonsway (107), Southampton on Sep 24, 19 7:11 PM
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DACA recipients receive a work permit and a tax ID number to file returns every year, for example.

Even those who avoid income taxes still pay sales tax, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 8:02 PM
"I think you changed the topic and I followed suit."

By quoting you saying "Nobody supports people entering the country illegally without consequence" and providing an example of lack of consequence, i.e. citizenship?

Didn't you then introduce DACA?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 26, 19 10:22 AM
A path to citizenship does not exclude other potential consequences like an extended waiting period or monetary fines.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 26, 19 5:12 PM
I was happy to provide my passport, my social security card, and my old drivers license to get my new federally recognized drivers license. In many countries this type of ID grants access to a fully paid for quality healthcare system. If Congressman Lee Zeldin wanted to win the next election in a landslide, instead of pandering to tea party nincompoops, he would ask that everyone with one of these valid and verified IDs with an address in Suffolk County get healthcare from the New York State University ...more
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Sep 24, 19 2:44 PM
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Way to go Lee! Thank you for standing up to the lunatic fringe Democrats who are out to ruin this great country by providing non citizens rights and benefits they do not deserve.
By BillWillConn3 (180), Southampton on Sep 24, 19 3:31 PM
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Unlicensed drivers can't get insurance. That's the problem we deal with now. Whether you like it or not, undocumented people are here and they're driving. Let's get them insured for everyone's benefit.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 3:34 PM
They aren't undocumented people, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS! Every one a criminal by virtue of being here ILLEGALLY. No matter how they arrived , if they didn't enter through legitimate channels, they are ILLEGAL, all the alt left feel good clap trap doesn't change that fact.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 24, 19 5:52 PM
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Bigfresh posting a fact?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 24, 19 6:00 PM
If someone holds a gun to your head and tells you to commit a crime or they'll shoot, are you guilty of that crime?

Contemporary legal opinions say you are not guilty because you were under duress and your will was overcome, therefore you did not form a culpable mindstate.

That's why people who were forced to come here, such as victims of trafficking or children beholden to their parents' wishes, and grew up as Americans in all ways except on paper, should have a path to citizenship.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 6:07 PM
It's not the Driver's License that matters to the looney liberal progressive commies. It is the ability they are giving ILLEGAL ALIENS to vote in our elections. Just take a look at what it did to Kalifornia. Congressman Zeldin deserves another term. New York state needs to purge itself of corrupt progessive/regressive politicians. Enough is Enough !
By Stop Indoctrinating Our Kids (11), Nowhere Near Uranus on Sep 24, 19 4:00 PM
What did it do to California? What evidence is there that undocumented immigrants are voting in federal elections?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 4:03 PM
S I O k , can you provide any evidence to voter fraud?looney liberal progressive commies. Sounds like you need a nap, a loooong one.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 24, 19 4:19 PM
Is citizenship verified? Why not?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 24, 19 4:24 PM
Why would I answer your questions if you won't answer mine?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 4:28 PM
Why were Democrats so intent on blocking the inclusion of the citizenship question in the census?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 24, 19 4:30 PM
Why would I answer your questions if you won't answer mine?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 4:30 PM
How do you get evidence for something that is NEVER checked?

Why were Democrats so intent on blocking the inclusion of the citizenship question in the 2020 Census? By including them, doesn't that alter the electoral college?

Next you'll be saying Democrats aren't for open borders!?!

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 24, 19 4:38 PM
Why would I answer your questions if you won't answer mine?

How did they find the woman who purposely voted for Trump twice?

The fact remains there's no evidence undocumented immigrants are voting in federal elections, period.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 4:42 PM
Investigating crimes that never occurred?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 25, 19 9:11 AM
Not investigating crimes that in all likelihood have occurred. How else do you think there's no evidence? Afraid of what might be found? That wouldn't be good for the public's confidence in government and the electoral process, now would it?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 25, 19 1:56 PM
Lol "in all likelihood" based on what? Your musings?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 25, 19 2:16 PM
I'll give you 20 million musings.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 26, 19 10:18 AM
At least you acknowledge your accusations are based on nothing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 26, 19 5:11 PM
Well, it was only for a school board vote but if that’s not slippery slope material I don’t know what is
By Biba (566), East Hampton on Oct 1, 19 12:25 PM
A slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant (usually negative) effect.

By the way Biba, I've been trying to get your attention for a while: is it antisemitic to assert American jews should hold dual loyalty to Israel and America, or isn't it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 1, 19 12:29 PM
Stick to the subject , besides that’s YOUR opinion...Logical individuals know where this will go ...Democrats need votes from dead people and illegals ...Hahahaha
And we all know , that you know my views so stop with the obtuse act good grief it’s boring and more importantly creepy
And , it’s Jews , with a capital J have a little respect during the holiday
By Biba (566), East Hampton on Oct 1, 19 5:02 PM
That's not my opinion, that's the definition of "slippery slope" just look it up yourself.

I use lowercase with god, jews, christians, and muslims alike. I'm not sorry you're offended.

I ask for clarity on whether dual loyalty is antisemitic because Trump recently made similar claims about American jews.

So is it antisemitic to expect American jews to observe dual loyalty, or is it only antisemitic when Democrats do it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 1, 19 5:21 PM
This response is full of lies
You’re sick
Seek help
By Biba (566), East Hampton on Oct 10, 19 11:23 AM
"In my opinion, you vote for a Democrat, you’re being very disloyal to Jewish people and very disloyal to Israel." - Donald Trump

He's on video saying it, so do you agree that American jews are supposed to hold dual loyalty, or do you disagree with Trump?

Is he antisemitic for suggesting American jews are supposed to hold dual loyalties? You can run from the truth but it always catches up, Biba.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 10, 19 11:35 AM
No, illegal immigrants aren’t allowed to directly vote for the commander-in-chief yet, but in vast numbers they can dramatically alter the Electoral College to favor Democrats for at least a decade because a state’s electoral votes are based on the number of people residing within that state, not the number of citizens present when the Decennial Census is taken.
By Harbor Master (114), Sag Harbor on Sep 24, 19 4:30 PM
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No doubt a large non citizen population in liberal California and New York partially disenfranchises and disadvantages some congressional districts, just as disenfranchising Black voters in Georgia, Mississippi and Alabama advantages conservative voters in those districts.
Nonetheless, that's not what the US Census is for --.the Constitution is clear; count everyone.
If you believe in the US Constitution, then we should strive for the most complete count we can make.
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Sep 25, 19 6:20 AM
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Do more electoral votes per person in Wisconsin and Iowa also partially disenfranchise and disadvantage voters in New York and California?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 25, 19 6:42 AM
H M, can you post a citation or two to back up that claim. I’d like to see the analysis.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 24, 19 4:38 PM
Thanks to the 14th Amendment, which dictates the mechanics of how the president is elected, as well as the Supreme Court’s ruling in Evenwell v. Abbott, Democrats are using illegal immigration to alter the balance of power in the Electoral College from rural, Republican-leaning states to those that are predominately blue and in some cases purple. A quick glance at the 20 metro areas with the largest number of illegal aliens confirms this.
By Harbor Master (114), Sag Harbor on Sep 25, 19 9:08 PM
And every state has 2 Senators, even the ones with mostly rural conservative voters. The census counts everyone, the results need to be scientific. Ignoring the presence of the undocumented only makes the problems more difficult to identify.
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Sep 27, 19 2:59 AM
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for are you a legal citizen ? and please don't give us the run around answer you know what I am asking.
Sep 24, 19 11:30 PM appended by 27dan
Fore1gnBornHBgrown are you a legal citizen ? and please don't give us the run around answer you know what I am asking.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 24, 19 11:30 PM
I'm American in all ways including on paper, Dan. Are you?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 25, 19 6:39 AM
What social benefits are you receiving FBHBG???? You spend a lot of time here commenting. And as far as illegal aliens driving and having accidents/insurance etc. Most of what I've witnessed over the years they run away from the scene. If it involves a fatality they leave the country and sometimes get caught doing so. As I said, this has nothing whatsoever about drivers licensing but more to do with enabling those who should not vote the abilitity to vote in our elections albeit illegally. ...more
By Stop Indoctrinating Our Kids (11), Nowhere Near Uranus on Sep 25, 19 6:59 PM
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How much have you "witnessed over the years"? Because what I've "witnessed over the years" is folks offering to pay in cash for their accidents and lamenting the fact that they can't purchase insurance.

There's no evidence that the law is intended to enable voter fraud, nor is there any evidence that widespread voter fraud exists. By the way, crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor, not a felony.

I understand you'd rather make assumptions and cast aspirations but ignorance ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 26, 19 5:10 PM
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Illegals drive now without licences. If they get a dwi and their lic suspended they will still drive. They just pay a fine. Of course they have a few years to pay.
By Win sky (58), Southampton on Sep 25, 19 9:01 AM
Exactly, that's why testing drivers, issuing licenses, and requiring insurance is a positive step. They're already driving, so what happens if they get into an accident without insurance? Isn't it better if they're insured?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 25, 19 9:07 AM
A state law which flouts a federal law is ripe to be neutralized by the courts.
By even fIow (60), Westhampton Beach on Sep 25, 19 9:18 AM
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Yes, PLEASE let's have SCOTUS determine whether the issuance of driver's licenses fall under state's rights or not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 25, 19 2:17 PM
You totally ignored my statement and manufactured a response to a dispute that nobody is having. Well done.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Sep 27, 19 1:51 PM
You think that the state law violates federal law. I think federal law doesn't govern state driver's license requirements. Let's have SCOTUS decide who is right!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 27, 19 2:04 PM
There are a couple of jerks here that need their own talk show, so we can change the channel….
By Tommy Turbo (60), Cedar Hill, TN on Sep 25, 19 10:39 AM
I'm an illegal : )
By Aeshtron (430), Southampton on Sep 25, 19 2:15 PM
AG Barr? Isn't he in line to be impeached for malfeasance, like his client Trump? And Zeldin has to run to the worst enablers to get himself a puny headline. Hey Long Islanders: let's rid ourselves of a nobody like Zeldin.
By Jolly Roger (31), Southampton on Sep 26, 19 11:28 AM
Let's stay focused on what's important -- Hillary Clinton's e-mails, Hunter Biden corporate board involvement, and Ivanka Trump's nipples at the UN ; )
By Aeshtron (430), Southampton on Sep 26, 19 3:28 PM
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Open borders that's the way to go and let everyone that enters get free housing in Sag harbor Village or Southampton village . They talk the talk but do not walk the walk.
It's OK in Hampton Bays the illegal occupancies, the sky high School District taxes, the school district has been pushed to the breaking point. Seniors are being driven out because they can not deal with the high tax rate and the aggressive re-assessment the hamlet has been burden with. Hampton Bays is experiencing the perfect ...more
By HB salvation (27), Hampton bays on Sep 27, 19 10:45 AM
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Nobody who is anybody supports open borders.

I also haven't seen anyone say the illegal occupancies are ok, or that it's racist to point out that HB bears a larger burden than places further east.

Do you have any examples of someone doing that?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 27, 19 11:52 AM
The courts will rule that this is illegal. Obviously.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Sep 27, 19 1:51 PM
What law school did you go to?

The one where they taught you to count your chickens before they hatch?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 27, 19 2:04 PM
Supervisor Schneiderman and the director of code enforcement Steve Troyd have said publicly that they will not vacate these illegal occupancies because they do not want to make situation worst. How about the Bel Aire Cove Saga children living unsafe and unhealthy conditions going on over six years.
The town's answer to the tax problem is to propose a massive urbanization plan for Hampton Bays. This plan would include over 248 apartments for work force and affordable housing. The city of Yonkers ...more
By HB salvation (27), Hampton bays on Sep 27, 19 2:52 PM
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The grievances you raise are 100% valid. HB has been SHT's whipping boy for a long time. I only disagree with your claims of support for open borders or allegations that anyone opposed to illegal occupancies is called racist.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 27, 19 3:02 PM
More voter suppression crap from this Trump Flunkie. Zeldin - you made a fool of yourself on CNN defending Orange Julius’s Ukraine call. Let’s throw you in the Impeachment bucket with all the other traitors -Pence, Barr, Pompeo and Rootie-Tootie!
By allpeoplecount (69), eastport on Oct 3, 19 2:20 AM
TDS is spreading ,
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Oct 3, 19 6:35 AM
Lee Zeldin down the tube you go. Lee, next time we will elect an American President, not a 400 pound orange slob in thrall to Pootie. Or very shortly, you and your wife and girl will be taking Russian 101.
By allpeoplecount (69), eastport on Oct 4, 19 12:16 AM
Lee Zeldin down the tube you go. Lee, next time we will elect an American President, not a 400 pound orange slob in thrall to Pootie. Or very shortly, you and your wife and girl will be taking Russian 101.
By allpeoplecount (69), eastport on Oct 4, 19 12:17 AM
Great comments after the Volker hearing Mr Zeldin.

Look, they’re bluffing.

You have to grasp this by now.

They’ve got nothing real, and every time they bluff Trump will call and THEY WILL FOLD.

No need to reply with impeachment panic questions and predictions borne of false hope.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Oct 4, 19 6:38 AM
So you didn't read the series of texts that support the view of Trump's dealings with Ukraine as improper? I understand, they've only been public 12 hours, Trump apparently hasn't either, otherwise we would've had another hyper-emotional response to laugh at alongside the president of Finland.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 4, 19 10:16 AM
It bears repeating.

"No need to reply with impeachment panic questions and predictions borne of false hope."
By even fIow (60), Westhampton Beach on Oct 4, 19 10:21 AM
No need, just a desire to bring you up to date on the latest.

Everyone should check out the text exchanges, they make for interesting reading!

"I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign," said the senior US diplomat in Ukraine.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 4, 19 10:39 AM