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Nov 5, 2019 2:17 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

From Inside Role, Zeldin Rises To Fore Of GOP Defense Of President

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin.   PRESS FILE
Nov 5, 2019 3:15 PM


As the U.S. House of Representatives has been embroiled in the debate over whether to impeach President Donald Trump, the East End’s congressman, U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin, has emerged as one of the Republican Party’s leading voices trying to derail the inquiry and defend Mr. Trump from accusations of abuse of power.

Mr. Zeldin has been a regular guest on televised political talk shows, particularly those on the Fox News network, where he has leveled withering criticisms at his Democratic counterparts. He has been spotlighted in numerous news articles about the impeachment as among the most aggressive defenders of the president, with his focus mostly on the depositions of witnesses in the inquiry being kept secret, until this weekend.

With the inquiry now headed toward a more public phase — and with his name coming up as a possible Republican addition to the House Oversight and Reform Committee — Mr. Zeldin has said that he does not think the accusations against Mr. Trump, even if true, rise to the level of warranting impeachment by the House of Representatives.

Last week, he voted against the measure to launch a formal and more public investigation of the president’s actions.

“The Democrats don’t care what the articles of impeachment say, they don’t care what the evidence supports — they just want the president removed from office,” Mr. Zeldin said. “This has always just been about removing the president. They have been calling for the president’s removal from office since he was sworn in.”

As the senior Republican on the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Mr. Zeldin has throughout been one of the handful of Republicans in the room for the closed-door depositions of current and former federal officials who were privy to the events surrounding the now famous July phone call by Mr. Trump to Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky.

In a recent interview, Mr. Zeldin reiterated his censure of the Democratic effort to explore whether Mr. Trump sought to use hundreds of millions in aid to Ukraine as leverage for getting officials from that country to launch an investigation focused on the son of one of the top candidates to challenge Mr. Trump in next year’s election, former Vice President Joe Biden.

“I have a lot of thoughts on both the process and the substance,” Mr. Zeldin said. “If there is to be an official impeachment inquiry, as [U.S. Representative Adam Schiff] calls it, then they should be granting the same rights to the president and Republicans that they would demand if it were the other way around. [Congressman Schiff] has said this is analogous to a grand jury proceeding — but he’s made himself the prosecutor, judge and grand jury.”

The congressman said that the Democratic effort is lost somewhere between its constitutional oversight role and what he sees as the grounds for impeachment of a president.

While he acknowledged that the initial stages of the impeachment proceedings against former presidents Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton more or less paralleled how House Democrats have proceeded thus far, both were preceded by months- or years-long investigations into the president’s conduct before the House took up its impeachment inquiry.

“The Ken Starr investigation was not a rush job,” he said. “I just see this as lacking transparency, accountability and fairness.”

A number of political observers have noted that Mr. Zeldin’s front-and-center defense of Mr. Trump is most remarkable in that he is the only one of the Republicans who have stood so outwardly in Mr. Trump’s corner who is not from a reliably Republican congressional district.

Having been held by Democrats for 11 out of the 15 terms prior to Mr. Zeldin’s election, the 1st Congressional District is seen as a “swing” district, with the possibility of being won by either the Republican or Democratic candidates in nearly every election.

But Mr. Zeldin rode the wave of Trump support in the western reaches of the district to a broad victory in 2016 and says he is confident that, come the 2020 election, eastern Suffolk County’s voters will once again be firmly on the side of the president and his allies in Congress.

In 2016, Mr. Zeldin defeated his Democratic challenger, Anna Throne-Holst, by more than 53,000 votes and 16 percentage points. In 2018, his margin of victory over Perry Gershon, who is running for the 2020 Democratic nomination again, was just over 4 percentage points and 11,000 votes, with a third-party candidate, Mr. Gershon’s Democratic primary challenger Kate Browning, taking another 2,000 votes.

“The 2020 election will be more like 2016 than 2018,” Mr. Zeldin said, adding that he’s unconcerned that his defense of the president would cost him at local polls next fall. “In 2018, the president’s name was on the ballot for Democrats — but not for Republicans.”

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When he originally ran for the house seat he advocated that members shouldn't serve more than 3 terms. Guess what.. on that he was right. Time for this clown to get back in the phone booth. His legislative accomplishments are sadly underwhelming and apparently his only goal is to serve as Trump's lapdog. How many times has he met with East End constituents in a Town Hall? Never. We deserve much better than Lee.
By harbor (415), East Hampton on Nov 6, 19 5:27 PM
His opponents always stop at the point where they are supposed to offer up a better alternative, like you did.
By even fIow (60), Westhampton Beach on Nov 12, 19 6:52 AM
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When draft dodging Donnie Trump is shown the off ramp from President to Moscow exile next year we can kiss our federal funding of dredging and other earmarks good bye since our Congressman will be listed as persona non grata when it comes to budgetary bargaining.
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Nov 7, 19 6:33 AM
He has demolished the latest uncoordinated, highly transparent hail-mary by the left.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Nov 7, 19 6:59 AM
It's a good thing that we have a Congressman that represents us so well in DC, thanks Lee!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 7, 19 7:49 AM
God Bless Lee Zeldin ~ Veteran, Congressman, Patriot. and Republican.
By themarlinspike (542), Northern Hemisphere on Nov 7, 19 8:30 AM
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Lee has been doing an amazing job showing leadership, taking on positions against the president when it makes sense for the East End constituents, supporting the president when it's warranted, supporting the envorinment and listening and acting on District 1 concerns.

Keep up the great work Lee!!
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 7, 19 8:46 AM
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Listening to District 1 concerns? Really? Guy thinks his district ends at Shinnecock Canal. Patriot? Laughable. What true veteran would support a draft-dodger who cozy ups to tyrants, undermines our democracy on a daily basis, and abandons brother Kurdish soldiers.
It's not Dem vs Repub...it's patriotism vs. tyranny.
By harbor (415), East Hampton on Nov 7, 19 9:28 AM
http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/General-Interest-EH/557604/Zeldin-To-Hold-Mobile-Office-Hours-in-Amagansett-On-Wednesday

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/525293/Zeldin-To-Host-Mobile-Office-Hours-In-Southampton-On-Thursday

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/474907/Lee-Zeldin-To-Host-Mobile-Office-Hours-In-Bridgehampton

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/General-Interest-Southampton/471090/Lee-Zeldin-Speaks-At-Rogers-Memorial-Library-In-Southampton

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/471199/Zeldin-Calls-For-Overhaul-Of-Veterans-Crisis-Hotline

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/548293/Zeldin-To-Host-Mobile-Office-Hours-In-Westhampton-Beach-Thursday

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/110968/Zeldin-Bill-Would-Protect-East-Hampton-From-FAA

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/97033/Zeldin-Returns-To-East-End-During-First-Extended-Trip-Home

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/549134/Zeldin-Will-Host-Meeting-Regarding-Offshore-Drilling-Plans-On-Friday

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/539701/Bill-Co-Sponsored-By-Zeldin-To-Expand-Veterans-Health-Care-Services-Passes-Senate

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/100196/Zeldin-Introduces-First-Bill-To-Help-Veterans-Get-Home-Loans

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/General-Interest-Southampton/572055/Zeldin-Proposal-On-North-Shore-Helicopter-Route-Signed-By-President-Trump

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/550581/US-Representative-Lee-Zeldin-Once-Again-Calls-For-Emergency-Dredging-Of-Moriches-Bay-And-Inlet

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/Hampton-Bays/111573/Lee-Zeldin-Pushes-For-The-Raising-Of-Dune-Road

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/General-Interest-Southampton/477296/Another-Shinnecock-Inlet-Dredging-Project-In-The-Works

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/510439/Zeldin-Blasts-Russian-Aggression-As-Spy-Ship-Lurks-Off-Long-Island

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/466775/Zeldin-Introduces-Legislation-To-Address-Student-Loan-Debt

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 7, 19 1:15 PM
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By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Nov 7, 19 9:29 AM
He did get a new zip code for Flanders. He can build on that.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 7, 19 9:32 AM
Revolting, repellent, disgusting excuse for a New York congressman. As bad as the illegitimate president, now a infecting the slimy state of Florida.
By Jolly Roger (31), Southampton on Nov 7, 19 11:23 AM
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Little Lee is betting the ranch on Big Donald. He’s definitely got the odds against him. If it pays off, he’s in the tall corn. If it doesn’t — much more likely in CD 1 — it’s goodbye, Little Lee.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Nov 7, 19 3:32 PM
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Your name calling reminds me of POTUS. Has Trump hacked your account, George?
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Nov 13, 19 6:52 AM
Dow, S&P 500 and Nasdaq hit record levels after China caves to President Trump this was the most awesome trade deal ever. It is ridiculously stupid not to join this no-brainer stock market rally. Bond sellers know this fact well today. President Trump is going to give us 5 more years of this beautiful stock mkt & economy.

Enjoy the gravy train while it’s here...
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Nov 7, 19 3:59 PM
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No deal has been signed, what are you talking about?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 7, 19 4:07 PM
He’s talking about the tariffs that cost Americans billions of dollars. Great deal
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 7, 19 4:46 PM
If the shoe fits:

"The lies poured forth like open sewage, or a catastrophic explosion at the start of a disaster movie.

Out they tumbled at such speed it was impossible to know where one began and one ended. At times, actual, self-contained lies could be made out, like bodies on the current of a deadly river.

At others, the lies had coagulated to form a kind of very slow-cooked bulls**t casserole, the false meat and the untrue gravy forming a kind of unctuous slop."

~ ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 7, 19 10:11 PM
Tulsi Gabbard told reporters on Thursday morning that “we do not have a nation if we don’t have borders.”
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 7, 19 4:27 PM
Zeldin embarrassed every voter in NY01 with his stupid Pizza Rat excursion into the SCIF. The fool did not even clean-up after himself, per his buddies Sebby Nazi Gorka and Sean DWTS Spicer. I have read his “questions” in the depositions and befitting someone who attended a fourth-tier law school, he would not be able to form an inquiry if it bit him in the rearend!
By allpeoplecount (69), eastport on Nov 7, 19 4:33 PM
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Those questions by Mr. Zeldin clearly identified that "witness" had no first hand knowledge of anything they were testifying to.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 7, 19 6:40 PM
PO - you clearly have NOT read his questions. Pizza Rat asked nothing about evidence OR hearsay. Guess you went to the same online law school he did!
By allpeoplecount (69), eastport on Nov 7, 19 8:41 PM
Well, why don't you list the questions then? Because Mr. Zeldin has stated Democrat's have no basis for impechment. Come on all, specifics!
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 11, 19 12:37 PM
And your orange idol has stated he has the best brain, the best words, and knows more about climate than any scientist. Keep the comedy coming, Po.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 11, 19 12:46 PM
Well, there you go, the generalities are met wet with more generalties with a sprinkling of opinoin, emotion and ideaolgy.

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 11, 19 9:24 PM
Yeah, they say there's one born every minute...

Roger Stone's 'payload is still coming' email went to Erik Prince, prosecutors say. How about that Alfa bank-Trump/Listrak-Spectrum Health connection now?

CNN Digital Expansion 2017 Kara ScannellCNN Digital Expansion 2018 Shimon Prokupecz
By Kara Scannell and Shimon Prokupecz, CNN

Updated 9:01 PM ET, Wed November 6, 2019


Was There a Connection Between a Russian Bank and the Trump Campaign?
A team of ...more
Nov 7, 19 5:56 PM appended by Mr. Z
How about that Alfa bank-Trump/Listrak-Spectrum Health connection now?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 7, 19 5:56 PM
“We were watching this happen in real time—it was like watching an airplane fly by,” Max said. “And we thought, Why the hell is a Russian bank communicating with a server that belongs to the Trump Organization, and at such a rate?”

The D.N.S. records raised vexing questions. Why was the Trump Organization’s domain, set up to send mass-marketing e-mails, conducting such meagre activity? And why were computers at Alfa Bank and Spectrum Health trying to ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 7, 19 6:35 PM
Z, how many times are you going to recycle this trash?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 7, 19 6:43 PM
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When you're one of the handful of people on the entire planet who is even permitted access, and able to analyze metadata then you can call it "trash".

Until then, your opinion has zero credibility and zero substance.
Nov 7, 19 6:55 PM appended by Mr. Z
“Is it possible there is an innocuous explanation for all this? Yes, of course. And it’s also possible that space aliens did this. It’s possible—just not very likely.”
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 7, 19 6:55 PM
Or, it's already been shown to be hogwash. As noted last January...

Move over ‘grassy knoll,’ the Trump-Russia bank tale joins unproven conspiracies list. BY JOHN SOLOMON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 10/14/18

"It turns out, though, that the server wasn’t actually in the Trump Organization in New York. It was in a tiny Pennsylvania town. And it actually wasn’t controlled by the Trump Organization but, rather, by an independent email marketing firm once hired ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 8, 19 9:39 AM
Only one problem. A server at Princeton also engaged in lookups of the Trump/Listrak server.

Why was the server engaged in what looks like specific traffic, instead of doing it's job of mass mailing?
Nov 9, 19 11:21 PM appended by Mr. Z
Don't forget to send a hearty congratulations to Brian Benczkowski. Heard he got that job at the DOJ he was nominated for...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 8, 19 11:21 PM
P.S. “It's a perfect he-said, she-said situation. … Mandiant is guessing no. I am guessing yes. Neither of us has direct evidence.”

~ Paul Vixie
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 9, 19 10:08 AM
"The researchers I spoke with were careful to point out that the limits of D.N.S. data prevent them from going beyond speculation."

"First off, the FBI has, on repeated occasions in 2016 and 2017...looked at the allegations and could find no conspiracy and, instead, believed the server communications were simply explained by normal internet traffic activities."

Gee, you'd think Robert Mueler would have looked into that. Speculate away.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 11, 19 12:47 PM
The United States Senate has bugun a probe to see whether a lobbying firm working on the behalf of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian oil and gas conglomerate, leveraged the company’s ties to Hunter Biden for access to the State Department. It's good the Senate is probing this but the DOJ needs to be vigorously investigating this too. The Biden's belong in prison along with lots of other Deep State rats. Ukraine was a hub of corruption for DC swamp creatures.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 7, 19 11:33 PM
Oh no! A probe has "bugun"!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 7, 19 11:44 PM
27dan, you are an expert at deflection. Here’s a little insight to trump, the man you hold in such high regard.
From TPM ........ The New York Supreme Court has ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million for using charitable funds to bolster his 2016 campaign.
“Mr. Trump’s fiduciary duty breaches included allowing his campaign to orchestrate the Fundraiser, allowing his campaign, instead of the Foundation, to direct distribution of the Funds, and using the Fundraiser ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 8, 19 5:14 AM
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All these D-Rats are in a delusional panic with less and less Deep State Swamp Rats in high positions of power to cover up for their criminal behavior. Even with the colluding Marxist Media they are losing the battle against Non-politician President Trump. The panic is real with AG Barr and Durham over the target with sealed indictments as President Trump fills his number one promise to Drain the Swamp.

FIGHTER 45 >> AN AMERICAN HERO !!
By They call me (2826), southampton on Nov 8, 19 7:09 AM
Tcm, deflect deflect deflect. Good little cheer leader. Be careful when you do cartwheels, could hurt your wrists.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 8, 19 7:20 AM
The only rats are the ones who f****d over R. David Edelman by accusing him of being the whistleblower.

Just for reference Trump appointees saw it this way:

CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call
Experts are raising questions about why the Justice Department did not open an investigation.

ct. 4, 2019, 4:31 PM EDT / Updated Oct. 4, 2019, 5:47 PM EDT
By Ken Dilanian and Julia Ainsley
WASHINGTON — Weeks before the ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 12:53 PM
Meanwhile, Perry Gershon is on his parents lap in his childhood home.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Nov 8, 19 5:09 AM
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Dogsbody to Trump and Netanyahu.

Empty suit for the East End.

Beachfront erosion? Water pollution? Plum Island?

With his eyes firmly fixed on the feet of his masters, The Honorable Lee ignores our every need.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 8, 19 5:42 AM
Oh, he's stopped beachfront erosion. Wind, water, the lunar pull and mother nature in general are no match for Lee Zeldin. Yet another reason to vote for him.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Nov 8, 19 8:42 AM
Eric Holder is considering running for the Democrat nomination for president in 2020, a move that comes as former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg has filed paperwork in Alabama signaling he may be a late entrant to the race.I’m still waiting for him and Anthony Weiner to join up and give us the Weiner/Holder ticket. They could have Pete as AG.

Holder must be worried about impending indictments and thinks a presidential run would shield him from prosecution. He's a hard core ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 8, 19 7:06 AM
“My first act as your President? Take the guns away from Americans, and get them into the hands of homicidal Mexican Drug Cartels and insane Jihadists!” Eric Holder, Oops, he already did that
By They call me (2826), southampton on Nov 8, 19 7:12 AM
The Eric Holder who gave guns to open border Mexican Cartels during Obama's Fast & Furious gun running operation in hope that they would be used against Americans to promote more gun confiscation laws in the United States? That Eric Holder? lolllll
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 8, 19 2:47 PM
Bloomberg's only chance is paying off the super delegates. He is srewd going after the states they can commit the biggest voter fraud in....The fool and his money will soon be parted. NO Democrat can defeat President Trump.
TRUMP 2020!
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 9, 19 11:38 AM
Hey 27dan, show some proof about your accusations of voter fraud. Good luck
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 9, 19 11:56 AM
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By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Nov 9, 19 8:46 PM
Hey Biba, Trump suggested that American Jews are supposed to observe dual loyalty to Israel and America. Is that anti-semitic?
Nov 10, 19 8:51 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Not Biba, Sturgis.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 19 8:51 PM
Why are you posting that to me ..?
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Nov 10, 19 1:35 AM
Because you're the resident anti-semitism expert.

Also because you've accused other people of anti-semitism for saying it in the past, so I want to know if you'd apply it to Trump, who said the same thing.
Nov 10, 19 1:37 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
You, the resident expert on anti-semitism.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 10, 19 1:37 AM
Who are you posting this to ?
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Nov 10, 19 1:39 AM
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By themarlinspike (542), Northern Hemisphere on Nov 10, 19 7:35 AM
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By themarlinspike (542), Northern Hemisphere on Nov 10, 19 9:51 AM
And the hits keep on coming. Lies, lies, and more lies flowing like a dam disaster...

State Department Freed Ukraine Money Before Trump Says He Did
By Nick Wadhams and Saleha Mohsin
November 9, 2019, 1:32 PM EST

Department lawyers found the White House lacked authority
Chain of events undercuts Trump’s account of freeing the funds

President Donald Trump says he lifted his freeze on aid to Ukraine on Sept. 11, but the State Department had quietly authorized ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 8:40 AM
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Trump gets an Alabama welcome at Bryant-Denny Stadium , president Trump and first Lady Melania Trump, were greeted by loud cheers and chants of “USA!” on Saturday at the Alabama-LSU Game.

This is an example of how people outside the Beltway and coasts actually view Trump.

The media mainstream still can’t understand it, because everybody they know hates him.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 10, 19 8:45 AM
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The sound of the Silent Majority.
versus the caca...er, cacophony of the left.
By loading... (601), quiogue on Nov 10, 19 11:51 AM
As Jimmy Breslin called them, the people from a low IQ state. Not exact quote, but you get the picture.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 10, 19 12:03 PM
Just because Alabama ranks 46th in average IQ doesn't mean...

Oh, wait. Yes it does.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 12:14 PM
Cheers in the state that ranked #50 (DOWN from #47 in the previous ranking) in the US News and World report on national public school systems. Of course undereducated Alabama loves him.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 10, 19 12:18 PM
Pretty much the level of intelligence required to accuse R. David Edelman of being the whistleblower.

Nice job, jacka$$e$.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 12:47 PM
Ah Jimmy and Pete, how we miss you!
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 10, 19 1:21 PM
Zeldin has become a powerhouse representative of the people.
Bishop was a weak representative for hillary and nancy pelosi.
Never forget.
By even fIow (60), Westhampton Beach on Nov 10, 19 11:47 AM
Yeah. By asking such powerful questions such as:

"Are you aware or whether or not Hunter Biden was qualified for that position?"

Yale Law graduate, Senior Vice President for MBNA, Rosemont Seneca Partners for examples of qualifications.

Courtesy of Reuters:

Interviews with more than a dozen people, including executives and former prosecutors in Ukraine, paint a picture of a director who provided advice on legal issues, corporate finance and strategy during a five-year ...more
Nov 10, 19 2:37 PM appended by Mr. Z
Lutsenko, who succeeded Shokin as Ukraine’s prosecutor general in 2016, took over a tax investigation into Burisma before closing the case ten months later, after the company had paid a settlement in relation to the tax investigation. The former prosecutor said that any issues Burisma did have were not related to Biden. In addition to the closed tax investigation, Ukraine authorities opened an investigation into licenses awarded to Burisma and a separate money-laundering probe into founder Zlochevsky. Both of these have been re-opened in recent months, but neither relate to the period after Biden joined the board. Burisma and Zlochevsky haven’t commented publicly on the re-opened probes.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 2:37 PM
Can't any of u dems leave out the nasty language and express yourselves intelligently?
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Nov 10, 19 12:58 PM
Seriously? You who idolizes the premier potty-mouthed dolt is gonna' demand "standards" here? Here's a quarter--there's a self-aware vending machine over there, Snowflake.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 10, 19 1:16 PM
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Self awareness, try it
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 10, 19 1:17 PM
On this week’s broadcast of Fox News Channel’s “Sunday Morning Futures,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said he was “confident” the whistleblower is from the “deep state.”

Graham said, “It’s impossible to bring this case forward in my view fairly without us knowing who the whistleblower is and having a chance to cross-examine them about any advice they may have, if they don’t call the whistleblower in the House, this thing is ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 10, 19 1:38 PM
27 dan, still waiting for your evidence on voter fraud.” He is srewd going after the states they can commit the biggest voter fraud in....“ ready at any time for your proof. Good luck.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 10, 19 1:47 PM
We know that the whistleblower is Eric Ciaramella, a 33 year old pajama boy deep state operative that is exactly as Graham described. Graham knows this, and is setting up Ciaramella because it is only a matter of time before his name will be all over the media. All it will take is one brave news outlet to print or say his name, and it will be all over. Others will follow after the ice is broken.

As I was writing this, Molly Hemingway said his name on Fox News. The cat is out of the bag!

Funny ...more
Nov 10, 19 1:42 PM appended by They call me
The fact that Eric Ciaramella worked for Brennan tells you all you need to know ! Keep alert! This is misdirection by the dems as they prepare their voter fraud machine to steal 2020!
By They call me (2826), southampton on Nov 10, 19 1:42 PM
The whistleblower is irrelevant. His reporting has been corroborated upside down and Sunday by what is it? 4 principals, and the idiot king has admitted his crime at the microphone. Again, the whistleblower is irrelevant. THAT is all you need to know. Please try and get it through your impervious skulls and stop wasting your time and ours on irrelevancy.
trump has been caught dead to rights. He has no defense, so the default is absurd, laughable claims, water muddying, and deflection.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 10, 19 2:22 PM
If the whistleblower was irrelevant yo would not be going through so much trouble to hide his identity ! Caught dead to rights at what ? No crime has been committed !THAT is all you need to know. Please try and get it through your impervious skulls and stop wasting your time and ours on irrelevancy. The impeachment inquiry a “calculated coup,” orchestrated by Adam Schiff in an attempt to take down a duly elected President. while at the same time protecting Hunter Biden from the public ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Nov 10, 19 2:42 PM
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Molly Hemingway outed Ciaramella the Deep State Brennan Rat on Fox News this AM. Ms. Molly let the cat out of the Marxist Media bag and soon everybody will know about this Lying weasel. You should’ve seen the look and response from Howie on Media Buzz.
I thought Howard was going to wet his pants trying to cover it up.

Ms. Hemingway is one very Strong and Smart Woman. Molly and Maria Bartiromo make Sunday mornings worth watching Fox.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Nov 10, 19 2:46 PM
The right wingers are too stupid to realize that all the corroboration by multiple witnesses confirming his/her story makes the whistleblower irrelevant. Additionally, Vindman came forward IMMEDIATELY to the NSC, and without the influence of the whistleblower report. It DOESN'T MATTER who the whistleblower is, but try to drill that into the thick right wing craniums.

They know Trump is guilty, and are grasping at any straw.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 3:23 PM
it is the left that is "grasping at any straw" all of this is irrelevant because there has been no crime committed and the senate will not vote to impeach on this adam schiff puppet show ! it is just russian collusion 2.0 and washington and the media tds on display once again. give it up ! our president will reign for 5 more prosperous years

hail to the chief !
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Nov 10, 19 3:33 PM
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Ya' right. The Prevaricator in Chief reigns and trains his disciples to follow his example. Your hero was aided by an adversarial government, and his campaign did not decline offers of aid. Severe ethical breach, but for those without an ethical ethos, it does not matter. Crooked, that is.

"Volume I of the report concludes that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities".[4][5] ...more
Nov 10, 19 3:55 PM appended by Mr. Z
“If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so." ~ Robert Mueller *** As it stands, they did not. Perhaps "Crooked Donald" is more appropriate.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 3:55 PM
Here's a few FACTS, a.k.a. GOP kryptonite. This is how effective Shokin was a prosecuting corruption:

"One party investigating these allegations was the United Kingdom, because Zlochevsky had $23 million in a British bank account that UK officials believed had been laundered. Britain’s Serious Fraud Office froze that account, and shortly after Yanukovych left office in February 2014, sent a request to Ukrainian officials for documents it believed would help in prove its case. Following ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 5:56 PM
Oh, "the facts suggest otherwise...." in September 2019....

Except we now know, much much more....
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 11, 19 9:30 PM
Are you saying Shokin's "investigation" was not idle or useless?

Because being told to "back off" in 2015 doesn't help your case.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 11, 19 9:34 PM
Sure it does. That was the selling point for labeling him "incompetent" when he was told to "back off."
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 12:28 PM
Julián Assange is not a whistleblower, you gotta get a clue, good luck with that.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 10, 19 1:48 PM
Eric Ciaramella, the Ukraine whistleblower, was a guest of Vice President Joe Biden at a glitzy lunch in October 2016 to honor the prime minister of Italy. Biden co-hosted the banquet with former Secretary of State John Kerry for then-Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi. This week, the Washington Examiner reported that Ciaramella is now a deputy national intelligence officer for Russia and Eurasia on the National Intelligence Council, reporting to the director of national intelligence. Ciaramella, ...more
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Nov 10, 19 2:14 PM
Are the right wing dopes sure they've got the right guy this time?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 2:38 PM
The left wing dopes and the same media that is protecting the Whistleblower, has also been protecting Epstein, and protected Weinstein. Draw your own conclusions about their loyalties and motivations
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Nov 10, 19 2:45 PM
Annnnnd, you obviously have no idea what being an Editor in Chief or similar position entails, nor the legal ramifications and consequences for "printing" something that could put a media outlet in legal/financial peril.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 2:59 PM
Take it easy everyone, here is what happened folks. The fine citizens of the American Heartland elected Trump over all others. Then those same folks who raise their families, go to work and church, have fun and enjoy their friends every day liked what they saw. Trump Favorability went UP. GOP backing went UP. Trump fund raising went thru the roof.

THAT is where we are today. Do not be distracted by Trump enemies spewing drivel. Haters and losers will always hate and lose.

There ...more
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Nov 10, 19 3:41 PM
Not really. The "useful idiots" just did as they were told by a Russian disinformation campaign.

The obstruction of justice was never settled, and the Ukraine debacle is indicative of a malfeasant behavioral pattern. He is unfit for office.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 4:02 PM
More alt left psychobabbel from a Marxist school teacher, yaaaawn
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 10, 19 4:39 PM
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Even Marx knew the difference between socialism and communism. Whereas ignorant right wingers obviously do not.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 4:51 PM
P.S. OK, Boomer.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 7:05 PM
Warren reacted to the possibility of Bloomberg joining the presidential race, telling NBC News’ Harry Smith on NBC Nightly News: “That’s up to Michael Bloomberg. I think we what ought to do is, we ought to be building a grass roots movement to make real change in this country. I don’t think that democracy should be about people coming in and buying elections.”

Really ? Buying elections? She is promising FREE everything, paid for with "other" people's tax dollars, ...more
By Cooper's Hawk (24), Southampton on Nov 10, 19 3:23 PM
yes, warren thinks she's got 1.4 trillion in student debt she can use to buy votes.
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Nov 10, 19 3:28 PM
Overturn Citizens United.

But, you people are faux democratists in this republic. So, you won't bother.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 4:54 PM
Pandering to the Freestuffers, what a novel approach from a Democrat candidate
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 10, 19 4:42 PM
Well then let's hear it from you. Here's your chance to sound intelligent and educated. Please tell us why classical capitalism creates human carnage, and was the cause for developing a social safety net.

Capitalism has NEVER created a middle class, and it never will. The conventional American middle class was the product of a severe economic depression, and the taxation required to fight two world wars. Similar to a revolution creating the "middling sorts". Please do try to refute that ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 5:14 PM
Poor people are living better today than any time in history, Sorry if government health care assistance, Food stamp programs, Wick, Collage tuition assistance and Grants are not enough for you.

Every house these days seem to have a large screen TV, Air conditioning and an X box,

Not enough for you ? Then go out and get a second or even a third job... Start a business, Educate your self in a new field, Move to an area where you can get work... Whatever it takes to stop blaming ...more
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Nov 10, 19 5:56 PM
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So, do you support neoliberalism? Why do you make the debate personal? Is it because you truly have nothing to stand on? Or, is it just that you're incapable of fighting for those who can't fight for themselves?

And, now you dopes think I'm a teacher? From claiming dual profiles, to claiming HighHatSize is Jay Sears, the stupid here just burns.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 6:12 PM
Our great nation offers limitless opportunities for those willing to WORK, those unable to support themselves have a safety net that provides a standard of living that’s better than anywhere else on the planet. Sorry your Marxist values are offended
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 11, 19 7:20 AM
@ bigfresh (& joe hampton & Cooper's Hawk)

Just whom, after all this time, do you think your are fooling with these half-truths and outright lies. Every reader here has long ago recognized that the only thing of importance to you is MONEY. This latest rationalization is just another attempt on your part to legitimize your psychopathic cupidity. ANY threat to your purse incites a new harangue whose only cause is your obsession of keeping your wallet fat. The poor? The sick? They're ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 11, 19 9:16 AM
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Yes, and their knee jerk parroting of the propaganda they buy into which is that our system is best, and that all it takes is hard work. Why then aren't those who work multiple jobs, or long hours in open fields in the hot sun rich? Or someone like the single Mom full time bank teller cited by Katie Porter in a congressional hearing interview of the CEO of her bank who has a $500+ shortfall each month? There was a time in America when greed didn't prevail and families did very well with one ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 11, 19 9:58 AM
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Its another beautiful day in America! Obama is gone, Hillary will never be president, Schiff has zero evidence of a crime and the general public can now see it and Epstein didn't commit suicide.

MAGA
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Nov 11, 19 10:53 AM
Fyi, asking a foreign leader to investigate your political opponent is a crime.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 11, 19 11:38 AM
Not when it is about a corrupt pay for play deal from a sitting vice president resulting in your no talent no experience son making 80,000 a mouth in a executive board position from that same foreign government ! FAIL !
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Nov 11, 19 12:13 PM
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No, it's still a crime.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 11, 19 2:57 PM
And right here ladies and gentlemen is the difference between liberalism conservatism. Liberals look at the glass as half empty while conservatives see it as half full. Dependency vs self reliance if your reading comprehension allows you will see that I place no blame on the sick for their condition, that’s just heartless. The “poor”? Those that struggle to meet the most basic need , those unable to work due to physical or mental issues are provided for . My issue is the government ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 11, 19 5:51 PM
JuneZ: hard work is crucial in order to succeed , some are born into wealth and privilege, good for them! Most are not and most just their butts to make it, not all will be rich , most will do well enough, their is a safety net for those who do not . As to coming up $ 500 short each month as a bank CEO , that must be a problem of expenditures or a drug habit or a gambling problem or some similar issue. Hey, the boss is the boss and his or her compensation package is of no concern to the employees, ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 11, 19 6:04 PM
@bigfresh: You need to re-read the post--it's the single Mom who comes up short. Her boss, Jamie Dimon makes $31M/year. Sorry you think that's OK. In a democracy, such disparity is not OK. Nobody should have that much power, nobody should be able to buy a presidency. And I'd say that Mom is 3 times more exhausted at the end of her day being she has a full time job when she gets home. Then there's the little matter of decades of low wage growth, part time staffing so as to avoid having ...more
Nov 12, 19 8:18 PM appended by June Bug
Swaziland, Lesotho and Liberia recently passed paid leave for new moms. The only 2 countries left that do not have it are Papua New Guinea and the United States of America.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 11, 19 8:18 PM
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Hey bf, are you American, or Olde English? Hint: inherited wealth is "unmerited".

"In every political society, parties are unavoidable. A difference of interests, real or supposed, is the most natural and fruitful source of them. The great object should be to combat the evil: 1. By establishing a political equality among all. 2. By withholding unnecessary opportunities from a few, to increase the inequality of property, by an immoderate, and especially an unmerited, accumulation of riches. ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 12:01 AM
I think it’s best just to marry into a wealthy family, works every time.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 10, 19 6:18 PM
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Truly pathetic that the three of you agree on that, Your positive outlook on life seems to be wasted on liberals Joe. They would rather find a short cut, I would venture to guess it is how some of them became liberals in the first place.
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Nov 10, 19 6:42 PM
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Here we are this Sunday night less than one year from the 2020 presidential election, over twenty Sunday political shows across 6 networks aired today. and all they want to talk about is how can we get rid of Trump and this impeachment debacle. It is very sad that these shows BARLEY spoke about the Democratic candidate's today. It really says a lot if you read between the lines !
By Cooper's Hawk (24), Southampton on Nov 10, 19 6:56 PM
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Frankly, if a sexual dalliance is enough for impeachment, so is using the power of the Oval Office to chase conspiracy theories and leverage military aid for personal political gain.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 7:03 PM
sexual dalliance ? you due a great disservice to those among us that are to young to remember ... Bill Clinton was impeached on grounds of perjury to a grand jury.

But you already knew that didn't you.
Nov 11, 19 7:46 AM appended by joe hampton
you do a great disservice to those among us
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Nov 11, 19 7:46 AM
so you would choose to ignore that his sexual behavior and escapades with a root of it, but do you want the whistleblower to testify because that's the root of it.

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 11, 19 1:41 PM
BREAKING

Giuliani Associate Says He Gave Demand for Biden Inquiry to Ukrainians

Ben Protess, Andrew E. Kramer, Michael Rothfeld and William K. Rashbaum
1 hr ago


The associate, Lev Parnas, told a representative of the incoming government that it had to announce an investigation into Mr. Trump’s political rival, Joseph R. Biden Jr., and his son, or else Vice President Mike Pence would not attend the swearing-in of the new president, and the United States ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 7:16 PM
"Protecting the whistleblower"? What you're all ignoring is that the whistleblower followed protocol and went first to the Inspector General who gave him/her the go-ahead. The TRUMP-APPOINTED Inspector General. Can we please knock off the lust for his head? You look ridiculous. What's more it demonstrates your ignorance of what the system you purport to love requires.
Which brings to mind something disheartening I heard this past Thursday night straight from the mouth of the proposing ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 10, 19 7:54 PM
And on this Veteran's Day weekend, we now learn that draft-dodging Orange Mussolini has just fired Col. Vindman. For testifying under oath.
I hope to see the next president hang a much-deserved Presidential Medal of Freedom around the neck of the Colonel.

By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 10, 19 8:04 PM
"There's no gray area between right and wrong. You do the right thing even if it costs you. You do the right thing."

~ Bob Norris
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 10, 19 10:20 PM
This is all just too easy:

'Still there': Vindman not removed from National Security Council despite alarm over vengeful firing
by Daniel Chaitin
| November 10, 2019 10:34 PM
| Updated Nov 11, 2019, 12:01 AM


Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman expects to serve out the remainder of his time on the National Security Council, according to his attorney.

Multiple reports Sunday claimed Vindman, who gave sworn testimony for the House impeachment effort against ...more
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Nov 11, 19 6:50 AM
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And now we see Ambassador Sondland never had any firsthand knowledge of any “quid pro quo” involving U.S. military aid for Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine conducting investigations, according to his recently released closed-door testimony as part of the impeachment inquiry.

The leftist media pushing the lie the Sondland said their was a quid pro quo is par for the coarse. There are comments on leftist sites where they apparently think Schiff's version is the actual transcript ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Nov 11, 19 10:46 AM
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Schiff Rejects GOP Request for ‘Whistleblower’ Testimony as ‘Redundant and Unnecessary’ Lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll how can it be redundant when its the b s that started this crap??

just wondering, cause i'd think the original charge would be the most pertinent, right?

we must crush these lying s b's if the united states is to survive, i cant believe these bastards think 63 million people will take this laying down

does the number ...more
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Nov 11, 19 11:04 AM
I think they call it " knee jerk parroting of the propaganda "
By even fIow (60), Westhampton Beach on Nov 11, 19 11:21 AM
There's no need to interview 911 callers when better witnesses are available.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 11, 19 11:37 AM
You are hiding something, obviously.
By even fIow (60), Westhampton Beach on Nov 11, 19 11:48 AM
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Sondland wasn't directly involved?

What the f*** are you guys smoking?

Volker texts Yermak, saying, “Good lunch – thanks.” (The timing and content of this lunch remains unknown.) “Heard from White House—assuming President Z convinces trump he will investigate / ‘get to the bottom of what happened’ in 2016, we will nail down date for visit to Washington. Good luck! See you tomorrow- kurt.

August 9:

Sondland texts Volker ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 11, 19 1:58 PM
"in 2016..."

I thought you wanted to know what happened in the 2016 election? Why not now?

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 11, 19 8:01 PM
I will advise the conservatives on this site to follow the same advice that I would give to the president. Stop chasing debunked conspiracy theories.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 11, 19 8:17 PM
LMAO... says the guy chasing his tail on debunked Alfa bank servers.

Gee, you would have thought Mueller looked into that.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 11, 19 8:36 PM
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I think I'll go with what the guy who followed in Mockapetrie's footsteps.

“It’s a perfect he-said, she-said situation. … Mandiant is guessing no. I am guessing yes. Neither of us has direct evidence.”

~ Paul Vixie
Nov 11, 19 9:45 PM appended by Mr. Z
If the chips are down, my bet is on Paul Vixie to know exactly what he's talking about. To refute Vixie's assessment is like doubting Newton.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 11, 19 9:45 PM
Wait, the FBI looked into the Alfa Bank allegation and made a conclusion with reasonable explanation debunkiing it....you don't think that's direct evidence?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 9:14 AM
Contrary to the analysis of the man who practically reinvented the DNS system?

You bet your a$$.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 1:45 PM
P.S. BFB I never stated they debunked anything. What they stated was that they could not come to a bonafide conclusion one way or the other. So they claimed it could be inocuous.

Leave it to a connedservative to lie about the facts, and dismiss the most qualified professional on the planets analysis.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 1:57 PM
shameless gutter rats who squeal 'freedom of the press is under attack' every time they get called out on their disgusting left wing activist behavior.

Enemy of the People
Shameless: CNN Ignores Epstein Coverup

CNN’s so-called media reporter Brian Stelter hid ABC’s Jeffrey Epstein scandal from CNN viewers. Talk about collusion, talk about destroying whistleblowers, talk about injustice… Two powerful media corporations colluded to fire a whistleblower who credibly ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 11, 19 10:35 AM
Hey Dan: Glad to see you beating this drum. Maybe if it bears any fruit, the innuendo surrounding your orange idol won't be mere innuendo.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 11, 19 12:41 PM

Hey June,

Bring on the investigation ! BRING THEM ALL ON ! But your side won't will they!

Sunlight is the best disinfectant!

If Trump is guilty Pedophile like behavior like Clinton, Prince Andrew, and our very own convicted cut and paster Jay Sears than you can be sure that the conservatives will kick him to the curb.

So how about it ? Lets dig a little deeper on all of It! Not just what Adam Schiff Head wants to leak to CNN today!
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Nov 11, 19 1:03 PM
Okay then.

Please enlighten us as to the meaning of "the deliverable".
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 11, 19 2:50 PM
I want what you want. woohoo, a first!
Trouble is we'll never see a bona fide investigation b/c this behavior encompasses too many who know too much and they're all powerful.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 11, 19 9:05 PM
The Clintons got millions from Russia… and then they come up with the Russian hoax against President Trump.

The Bidens got millions from Ukraine… and then they come up with the Ukrainian hoax against President Trump.

Obama once boasted that "elections have consequences." While that is true, the consequences for President Trump's election weren't the same that Barry enjoyed. President Trump has been smeared, slandered, resisted and framed. His policies have been blocked ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 11, 19 3:40 PM
If Trump didn't want to be accused of abusing his power, he shouldn't have pressured the Ukrainian government to investigate his political opponent while withholding hundreds of millions in aid.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 11, 19 3:46 PM
Yet again, I will ask the connedserviatives here, what is meant by "the deliverable"?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 11, 19 5:07 PM
" .....while not taking a dime in salary?" You can't be serious. As of July, he has cost us $340M playing golf. And God knows how much it's cost us for him to get his insatiable ego stroked at those obscene rallies. Elections have consequences alright.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 11, 19 5:40 PM
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If Joe Biden didn't want inquiry into his potenital unethical and corrupt activities then he shouldn't have been abusing his power as vice-president to pressure the Ukrainian government to fire a prosecutor who was looking into the company his son received an $80K per month salary when he has no experience in the energy field and to the best of our knowledge, hasn't stepped foot in Ukraine.
Nov 11, 19 7:56 PM appended by Po Boy
But then again, averyone thought Hillary would WIN in 2016... BAWHAHAHAHHAAHHA....
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 11, 19 7:56 PM
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After giving up his salary, he passed a tax break that he and his family massively profited from that was many times his salary. Your too stupid to even understand when you've been swindled, wake up will you? Don the Con for a reason
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Nov 11, 19 8:04 PM
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This is a red herring. Nobody is saying Biden's actions shouldn't be scrutinized. They're saying Trump's should be.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 11, 19 8:05 PM
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The problem is Shokin was not looking into Burisma. He let 23 million laundered dollars slip through the UK's fingers. It ended up.in Cyprus. Shokin was ineffective and useless, unless you needed him to cover your corrupt a$$.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 11, 19 8:14 PM
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P.S. Hunter Biden was not paid for his experience in the energy sector. He was paid for his experience with international law and compliances.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 11, 19 8:15 PM
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They don't like to be reminded that Hunter's experience included a prestigious law degree and time at the commerce department.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 11, 19 8:18 PM
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Impressive. International law and complianes in an industry he had no knowledge of. That must have come in handy getting him an honorable discharge from the military after at eat two failed pee tests.

Yeah, or, Hunter Biden was paid for his relationship to a vice-president who was the lead on Ukraine corruption who pressured Ukraine to fire an investigator loking into the company he was working for so that a hod woudn't be placed on their bank holding due to the corruption.
Nov 11, 19 8:32 PM appended by Po Boy
*after he failed two pee tests.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 11, 19 8:32 PM
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Pure conjecture and innuendo. You've already admitted there's no evidence that Hunter's job was related to Biden's demand that Ukraine fire the prosecutor.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 11, 19 8:36 PM
There was no evidence of collusion with Russia, either, right?
Nov 11, 19 9:07 PM appended by Po Boy
Following the Democrat playbook, how do we know for sure, unless we investigate, right?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 11, 19 9:07 PM
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"Earlier in the day, at the start of the judiciary committee hearing, its chairman, Jerry Nadler, asked if Mueller’s report exonerated Trump, as the president has frequently claimed. Mueller answered: “No.”

Courtesy of The Guardian
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 11, 19 9:31 PM
Fore1 said: They don't like to be reminded that Hunter's experience included a prestigious law degree and time at the commerce department?

How do you sleep at night sir?

At the age of 43, Hunter Biden applied for and mysterysly received an age waiver to join the Navy Reserve? The Navy has a zero-tolerance drug-and-alcohol abuse policy and asks all recruits about their prior substance use. Hunter Biden disclosed that he had used drugs in the past but said he was sober and got a ...more
By Cooper's Hawk (24), Southampton on Nov 11, 19 9:58 PM
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Is that worse than Adderall or Sudafed?

The guy has substance abuse issues. So do many functional, highly successful people. What's your point? He can't do his job because he's been to rehab? Rumor has it Doc Ellis liked to party. At least ten percent of Americans have substance abuse issues. And what's the percentage that deny or lie about it?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 11, 19 10:14 PM
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Cooper: you also chose to ignore that Hunter graduated from Yale Law School and worked for the US Commerce Department.

Po: there was evidence that Russia helped Trump in the 2016 election and that members of his campaign and administration had improper contacts with Russian government agents, then lied about it. Several Trump associates were convicted or pled guilty. The Mueller Report also absolved Trump of being a conspirator.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 11, 19 10:17 PM
omg do you people on the left even believe what you say ?

Mr Z : The guy has substance abuse issues. So do many functional, highly successful people. What's your point?

the point was know one would ever hire this creep for 80 thousand $ per month even if he wasn't a crack head who slept with his dead brothers wife behind his wifes back !

disgusting p o v !
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Nov 11, 19 10:22 PM
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Well somebody hired him. Now prove it was inappropriate.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 11, 19 10:42 PM
But, Trump the adulterer who paid off porn stars and breaks one of your precious commandments, or three, is A-OK.

Perhaps I'm not the one with auditory issues.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 11, 19 11:53 PM
Trump could shoot someone on fifth avenue in broad daylight and Erin would still support him.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 11, 19 11:58 PM
Weasel whistleblower Eric Ciaramella:
-Worked with DNC Operative, Alexandra Chalupa, in creation of Trump-Russia collusion hoax
-Worked directly under James Clapper
-Worked and traveled with Joe Biden
-Worked with 2 of Schiff’s staffers
-Served in the Obama administration
-Worked with John Brennan
-Is a registered Demoncat
-Hired a Hillary/Schumer lawyer who also donated to Biden

Tweets from Ciaramella’s lawyer Mark Zaid:
-“#Coup ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Nov 11, 19 9:18 PM
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Now run us through the resumes of the rest of the folks who testified that there was a quid pro quo.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 11, 19 10:18 PM
from what i have read a quid pro quo is not a crime


By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Nov 12, 19 1:18 AM
Hey Erin, enter a lawyer's favorite phrase: it depends. What is the quid and what is the quo?

It's a crime to request an investigation into a political opponent from a foreign national in connection with an election.

It's also an abuse of power to condition such "deliverables" on the receipt of millions of dollars in aid.

Such an abuse of power is exactly what Madison and Jefferson considered "high crimes and misdemeanors."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 7:00 AM
Empty barrel.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 12, 19 9:14 AM
There was no connection to the election. The inquiry was for cooperation focused on 2014 and 2016. Just because Joe Bide decides to be a candidate does not preclude him or exonerate him from past potential corruption.

Quid pro quo is not a crime. Just ask Joe Biden when he conditioned the release of more than a billion dollars on the firing of the Ukraine prosecutor who coincidentally was investigating the company his son was on the board of directors.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 9:22 AM
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You think an investigation into a 2020 candidate has no connection to the 2020 election?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 9:44 AM
“Just because Joe Biden decides to become a candidate.”if that was the case, trump would have started his investigation before Biden decided to run. Man Po boy you are rolling the dice daily. Not one of your points is even close to being valid. Again, of all the corruption in the Ukraine, why focus on Biden and his son?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 12, 19 9:45 AM
Running for president should not afford a person immunity from past criminal actions
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 9:51 AM
It doesn't. There are a lots of legal ways Trump could investigate his political opponents without requesting investigations from a foreign leader.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 10:07 AM
That's exactly why the president was asking for cooperation by the Ukraine President with AG Barr on an ongoing US investigation looking into what transpired in 2014 and 2016.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 12:26 PM
That's called personally requesting an investigation into a political opponent from a foreign national, and is a crime.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 12:31 PM
No, that's called asking for cooperation into an ongoing US investigation that was underway.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 1:00 PM
Then Trump should have let the investigation happen instead of requesting an investigation into a political opponent from a foreign national.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 1:27 PM
New Hampshire @QuinnipiacPoll (11/6-10):
Biden 20%
Warren 16%
Buttigieg 15%
Sanders 14%
Gabbard 6%
Yang 4%
Klobuchar 3%
Steyer 3%
Bennet 1%
Harris 1%
Booker 1%
Castro 1%
Delaney 0%
Williamson 0%
Messam 0%
Bullock 0%
Sestak 0%

Poor Bernie, AOC's endorsement is a kiss of death.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Nov 11, 19 10:15 PM
There are no crimes. It is all a smear and defamation campaign.

There is no "extortion." No "bribery." No “quid pro quo.”

There was no "obstruction." There was no "collusion."

Dems push out as many kill-shot keywords as possible.

They still call Justice Kavanaugh a "rapist."

This is a narrative war. Words are the weapons.

It's a zing for the chyron. Madison Avenue. It's SHOW BUSINESS. He's already cast the witness for their tv-appeal!

(The ...more
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 1:26 AM
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It's a crime to request an investigation into a political opponent from a foreign national in connection with an election.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 6:58 AM
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Its not a crime to investigate obvious financial criminals like Hunter & Joe Biden. Lock them both up. Vote instead for Bernie AOC Sanders or Pocahontas Beer Guzzling Warren. Maybe just write in Hillary Freakin Nutz Clinton.
By themarlinspike (542), Northern Hemisphere on Nov 12, 19 7:33 AM
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It IS a crime to request investigations into political opponents from a foreign national in connection with an election, Marlin.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 9:43 AM
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President Trump probably agrees with me that Biden is no opponent.
By themarlinspike (542), Northern Hemisphere on Nov 12, 19 12:11 PM
If you think that a candidate running for president is not connected to the presidential election, you should dig your head out of the sand.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 12:32 PM
I went the ER yesterday and was actually admitted for the night. My quid-pro-quo was covered in emoluments and obstructed my collusion.
By even fIow (60), Westhampton Beach on Nov 12, 19 6:44 AM
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Sounds like you hit your head.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 9:47 AM
TOLD YOU SO ....

Optimism among U.S. small-business owners moved higher than expected as concerns over a possible recession faded.
The National Federation of Independent Business’s Small Business Optimism Index climbed 0.6 points to 102.4. That exceeded the consensus forecast and brought the measure close to its six-month average.

“A continued focus on a recession by policymakers, talking heads, and the media clearly caused some consternation among small businesses ...more
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Nov 12, 19 9:56 AM
Joe spot on usual. The dems want to destroy America so they can control the people by doling out morsels. They are evil!

Small business owner here, over 25 years. Best economy in a long time. I'm having the best year I've had in 10 years. Thank you Mr. President!
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Nov 12, 19 9:58 AM
< - - - - Stock market in ALL TIME HIGH territory for the last 7 DAYS !

Whats that ? You haven't heard about that on the news ?
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 12, 19 10:06 AM
(Bloomberg) -- Wealthy people around the globe are hunkering down for a potentially turbulent 2020, according to UBS Global Wealth Management.

A majority of rich investors expect a significant drop in markets before the end of next year, and 25% of their average assets are currently in cash, according to a survey of more than 3,400 global respondents. The U.S.-China trade conflict is their top geopolitical concern, while the upcoming American presidential election is seen as another significant ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 12, 19 11:21 AM
when offered a clear choice between capitalism and Marxism , socialism ,communism or some amalgamation of the three, business owners and people who actually WORK for a living choose capitalism, hence our booming optimism , thanks President Trump
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 12, 19 12:06 PM
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Fyi, it's not a binary choice. We use a mixed system and are better off for it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 12:09 PM
M2 AT ALL TIME HIGH

MONEY PRINTING AT RECORD HIGH

ONE TRILLION DOLLARS PRINTED YTD
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 1:43 PM
Let's put it this way , Barak Hussein Obama was not a friend of business and optimism in the economy lagged, President Trump is an unabashed Capitalist and has instituted pro business policies including a tax break. The economic optimism is up , way up. A Marxist President vs a Capitalist President. We choose Capitalism!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 12, 19 12:14 PM
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Fyi, the economy was very different in 2016 than it was in 2008. Thanks, Obama!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 12:22 PM
That's the dumbest s*** I've read in a month.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 3:09 PM
Record low unemployment, the US economy is the envy of the world. Trump is fighting against China's unfair trade practices. According to the Dems, all a reason for impeachment.
Nov 12, 19 12:17 PM appended by 27dan
S&P 500 climbs above key 3,100 level as Wall Street marks records
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 12, 19 12:17 PM
M2 AT ALL TIME HIGH

MONEY PRINTING AT RECORD HIGH

ONE TRILLION DOLLARS PRINTED YTD
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 1:00 AM
Self reliance is not a strong point for the Democrat Party of today.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 12, 19 12:21 PM
Or for the farmers relying on bailouts to get them through the trade war.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 12:23 PM
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So you agree that the Democrat Party promotes reliance on the government instead or relying on ones' self, thank you.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 12, 19 12:38 PM
No, I'm pointing out that Democrats are not the party of handouts by bringing up Trump's handouts.

The difference is who gets the handouts: Republicans think it should be corporations, while Democrats think it should be working-class folks.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 12:41 PM
It is Sooo telling that on a day when the president is giving a speech and the market is crushing its all time highs for the last week ! Right Now! At the Economic Club of New York and CNBC Refuses to carry it live !

They even came out and said " We are getting inundated with questions from the twitisphere about why we are not broadcasting the sound from the speech . Well it because we are receiving a live transcript and will break to the President if he says anything of importance "

...more
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Nov 12, 19 1:02 PM
Fascism-CNBC decides what news we hear. Enough said. TRUMP 2020!!!
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Nov 12, 19 1:05 PM
Obviously they don't decide what Joe hears since he heard about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 1:42 PM
still making my point about the Democrat Party thinking that they can buy votes with handouts, do go on.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 12, 19 1:43 PM
Does Trump think he can buy farmers' votes with bailouts?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 1:59 PM
Uh, fresh, how many votes do you reckon trump's record tax cut handout will buy?
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 12, 19 2:00 PM
@ joe hampton & Taz

MORE naked, in-your-face dishonesty.

CNBC DID carry Trump's speech LIVE.*

You true believers do nothing but lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie. How it must sting on those occasions when you stumble and accidentally tell the truth.

* "Watch: Trump speaks on trade, domestic growth at the Economic Club of New York.
Watch Live: President Trump Speaks at NY Economic Club"
by Kevin Breuninger (CNBC, Nov. 12, 2019
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 12, 19 3:25 PM
Was a great speech. One snippet
From New York Intellegencer ...... At a speech to the Economic Club of New York today, President Trump declared that his daughter, Ivanka, has personally created 14 million new jobs. The president announced this figure — so astonishingly ludicrous it would embarrass a Stalin-era pronouncement — and then repeated it twice more as the crowd applauded politely.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 12, 19 3:42 PM
Ivanka's the spawn who should be hauled in for questioning. Along with the husband and the billions he got from Qatar.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 12, 19 3:53 PM
Alternatively, individuals are free to cash in on their last names. What's important is that their famous relatives do not take inappropriate actions to benefit them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 4:10 PM
What value did Hunter Biden have to Burisma while he was struggling with alcohol and drug addiction?

Aides reportedly anticipated fallout from Biden's son's work in Ukraine back in 2014 but were shut down because Biden was consumed by grief
Bill Bostock Nov 11, 2019
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 4:25 PM
Who cares? The relevant question is whether Biden did anything wrong. Last time, you said it was Biden bringing his son on a business trip. Have you come up with anything better yet?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 5:13 PM
According to joe and bf's point of view, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison would be socialist/communist.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 7:20 PM
B S HHS I watched it my self ! They carried it for a few minutes and broke away to talk about NOTHING!
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Nov 13, 19 12:00 AM
Boy, for someone who hates CNBC you sure watch it a lot.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 19 12:25 AM
@ joe hampton

Sweet Jesus! It's right there. Just go to the CNBC website that I cited and you can watch it in full - - - STILL. Alternatively, you can ignore the evidence of your senses and hold fast to your fallacious BELIEF as is your custom.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 14, 19 12:17 AM
I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bit**. (Laughter.) He got fired.

~ Joe Biden
January 23, 2018 speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 12:59 PM
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Yes, and?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 1:28 PM
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That is a corrupt politician using OUR money to force a foreign government to do his bidding , worth investigating don'tcha think?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 12, 19 1:45 PM
Get a clue, you are comparing apples and oranges
Nov 12, 19 1:54 PM appended by Fred s
Biden was pushing a goal for foreign policy, trump was pushing for personal gain. With our money no less
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 12, 19 1:54 PM
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BF: are you talking about Trump? Because if so, I agree.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 1:59 PM
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And, yes... there's a reason he's quid pro Joe....what foreign policy is it that keeps your son and the company he's been placed in to provide cover from investigation?

Hobbs Act 18 USC 1951 - A threat to a foreign official to obtain an official benefit affecting interstate of foreign ommerce would constitute extortion.

Gratuities 18 USC 201c - Giving, offering or promising anything o value to a public official in exchange for any official act

Bibery - 18 USC 201b - Whoever ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 4:13 PM
It was the policy of the US government and our allies to seek the dismissal of the prosecutor for corruption.

Nobody calls him that except you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 4:18 PM
Nobody calls him that but me? Are you personally aware of all things said by all people?

That's good policy, nd the "official" position. There is a reason Quid pro Joe's staff were concerned. This is interesting...

Ukrainian Employer of Joe Biden’s Son Hires a D.C. Lobbyist
BY MICHAEL SCHERER JULY 8, 2014

But the company, Burisma Holdings, did not disclose at the time the scope of their plans for influencing the U.S. government. Recently released documents ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 4:49 PM
Yes, and? None of that is evidence of wrongdoing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 4:53 PM
Here ya' go, ya' flipping dopes.

Prosecutor Says No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Bidens

By Daryna Krasnolutska, Kateryna Choursina, and Stephanie Baker
May 16, 2019, 3:14 PM EDT

Hunter Biden, Burisma not targets, despite Giuliani’s pleas

Long-running investigation said to focus on another Ukrainianten national security, and the security of Ukraine.
Nov 12, 19 7:05 PM appended by Mr. Z
Bidenski no corruptski. Republicanski full of shiatski
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 7:05 PM
Whataboutisms 101, you are the professor Po boy
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 12, 19 1:15 PM
Then you should remember being shcooled on the importance of context and history. It may be "whataboutism" to you - that's your way of turning a blind eye - to others it's contex and hisotrical perspective.
Nov 12, 19 3:58 PM appended by Po Boy
....and yes Fred, "shcooled" was intentional just for you but it dawned on me things often go over your head.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 3:58 PM
Po boy, you and your bs don’t go over my head. You are sooo much smarter then me, but you keep throwing spaghetti against the wall. It’s sliding off and not sticking. Keep going, someday you may be right about trumps lies. Today ain’t that day.im well aware of history and context. You should be using examples of Nixon’s lies, way more relevant.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 12, 19 4:08 PM
That's telling me Fred. Riveting as always.

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument. It is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.

Yeah, that's about right
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 4:17 PM
There you go, insult me. You are more intelligent. Come up with a good defense of trump then. Show how smart you are.
it’s essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.
Kinda like your Biden comment?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 12, 19 4:25 PM
LMAO...come on snowflake, I didn't insult you. I think you simply want to play the vicitm, that's what Democrats do. But if the shoe fits in anything I wrote, who am I to question your hurt feelings.

Simply because you don't think two things aren't connected, doesn't mean someone else thinks they are, or that it is illuminating to the double standard Democrats are accustomed to.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 4:44 PM
Snowflake? Nice. Ok, for the 3rd or 4th time. With all the corruption in the Ukraine, why investigate Biden and his son? Good luck. Remember, insult first followed by bs. It’s not working either way.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 12, 19 4:51 PM
Only the best people...

Senior Trump official embellished résumé, had face on fake Time cover

State Dept. official Mina Chang claimed to be a Harvard Business School "alumna" who ran a nonprofit that worked in 40 countries
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 3:11 PM
Her Harvard degree was a two month course. If that’s the case, I have a degree in environmental science. I’ve driven by Southampton college so many times, educational osmosis.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 12, 19 3:16 PM
He's not a whistleblower, he's a Democrat operative!

Formal Complaint Filed Against Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower
By Jeffrey Rodack | Tuesday, 12 November

A new complaint to the Intelligence Community Inspector General alleges the whistleblower who sparked the impeachment inquiry may have violated federal law by indirectly soliciting more than a quarter of a million dollars, Fox News is reporting.

According to Fox News, the nonprofit Whistleblower Aid worked with ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Nov 12, 19 4:36 PM
The whistle-blower's complaint has been corroborated. If you want to throw the book at him for starting a GoFundMe, go for it. That's not going to stop anything.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 4:51 PM
Doesn't matter. However you want to paint the whistleblower, IT DOESN'T MATTER. Here's some facts that the true believing swindled will NEVER accept. It will destroy their reality. Or, what passes for one...


August 9:

Sondland texts Volker that Morrison is “ready to get dates as soon as Yermak confirms.”

Volker asks how Sondland “sway[ed]” Morrison.
Sondland responds, “Not sure i did. I think potus really wants the deliverable.”

Volker ...more
Nov 12, 19 6:43 PM appended by Mr. Z
Come on losers, what's "the deliverable"?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 6:43 PM
August 10:

Yermak texts Volker to set up a conversation, saying, “I think it’s possible to make this declaration and mention all these things. Which we discussed yesterday. But it will be logic to do after we receive a confirmation of date. WE inform about date of visit and about our expectations and our guarantees for future visit. Let discuss it.” Volker arranges a phone call for the morning, saying, “I agree with your approach. Let’s iron out statement and ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 7:16 PM
Po boy, you never answered the question. With all the corruption in the Ukraine, why investigate Biden and his son? Waiting.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 12, 19 9:40 PM
Chilly out today. Snow is falling. Thanksgiving is right around the corner. Then before you know it, it’s Christmas and New Years.

Oh, and Epstein didn’t kill himself.
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Nov 12, 19 4:58 PM
Or, he knew he'd be behind bars for the rest of his natural life and paid someone to fix that problem.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 6:49 PM
The finest "justice" money can buy.

How the Roberts Court Abandoned Bipartisan Consensus

Under the chief justice, 73 decisions have been decided 5–4 along partisan lines. And 73 times, the big Republican donor interest won.
By DAHLIA LITHWICK

NOV 12, 201911:14 AM
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 6:48 PM
Just listened to Led Zeppelin’s “Stairway to Heaven” backwards and you can clearly hear them say, “Epstein didn’t kill himself”
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Nov 12, 19 6:50 PM
Yep, only the best people...

LEAKED STEPHEN MILLER EMAILS TO BREITBART DIRECTED RACE, ANTI-IMMIGRANT NEWS COVERAGE

BY BENJAMIN FEARNOW ON 11/12/19 AT 3:29 PM EST

Leaked emails from White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller from 2015-2016 reveal an obsession with white nationalism, the Confederacy and the denigration of black and Hispanic communities.

More than 900 private emails between Miller and Breitbart News were examined by the Southern Poverty Law ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 8:00 PM
Republican memo from earlier today:

"Stripping away the hyperbole and hysteria, these indisputable pieces of evidence show that there was no ‘Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors,’ as required by the Constitution. These facts are:

The July 25 call summary — the best evidence of the conversation — shows no conditionality or evidence of pressure;

President Zelensky and President Trump have both said there was no pressure on the ...more
Nov 12, 19 8:30 PM appended by loading...
Democrats want to impeach President Trump because unelected and anonymous bureaucrats disagreed with the President’s decisions and were discomforted by his telephone conversation with President Zelensky. The federal bureaucracy works for the President. The President works for the American people. And President Trump is doing what Americans elected him to do.
By loading... (601), quiogue on Nov 12, 19 8:30 PM
"But it failed!" is a terrible reason to let attempted crimes go unpunished.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 19 8:44 PM
August 9:

Sondland texts Volker that Morrison is “ready to get dates as soon as Yermak confirms.”

Volker asks how Sondland “sway[ed]” Morrison.

Sondland responds, “Not sure i did. I think potus really wants the deliverable.”

Volker asks, “does he know that?” Sondland confirms.

Though neither explicitly states what “the deliverable” is, this strongly suggests that Morrison was also aware that ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 8:50 PM
July 25:

Volker texts Yermak, saying, “Good lunch – thanks.” (The timing and content of this lunch remains unknown.) “Heard from White House—assuming President Z convinces trump he will investigate / ‘get to the bottom of what happened’ in 2016, we will nail down date for visit to Washington. Good luck! See you tomorrow- kurt.”

This text message explicitly states that agreeing to investigate conspiracy theories about Clinton-Ukraine ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 12, 19 8:54 PM
..."the deliverable" is covfefe.
By loading... (601), quiogue on Nov 12, 19 9:57 PM
Nope. Trump was just paranoid about this:

Communications Over Various Feeds Electronically for Engagement Act (COVFEFE Act)

The bill would amend the Presidential Records Act to preserve Twitter posts and other social media interactions of the President of the United States, and to require the National Archives to store such items.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 12:56 AM
research shows that you think 31% faster when you're in a good mood. all these angry, terrified, and sad tds sufferers are literally stupider just because they're upset. It explains a lot really, and why they haven't come up with any actual policies that will win over voters. they simply assume the narrative, recite the script, and feign the outrage, without requiring a single original thought or an honest emotion.

someday all these leftist zombies are going to wake up and ask themselves ...more
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Nov 13, 19 6:56 AM
@Erin 27 E: Ha, then trump is the stupidest American living.
Yet more Colgate Comedy Hour.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 13, 19 10:19 AM
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@ Erin 27 E

Dishonest on every level.

First the "research" (and describing the data as "soft" would be a gross understatement) found a 31% increase in PRODUCTIVITY, not intelligence. But reporting its findings honestly wouldn't fit your argument so you deliberately conflate them.

Secondly, if anger is a symptom of stupidity, as you claim, one need only compare the comments of true believers and normal people herein to determine which group is stupider. On the one hand ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 13, 19 7:45 AM
All they have are different versions of "Orange man bad" and promising a freestuffers paradise. Pitiful.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 13, 19 7:48 AM
F communism.
Nov 13, 19 8:44 AM appended by themarlinspike
The democrat party IS the communist party !!!
By themarlinspike (542), Northern Hemisphere on Nov 13, 19 8:44 AM
@ bigfresh

You cannot post an opinion that doesn't demonstrate your obsession. Your terror at the thought of losing a dollar shines out in your every comment. It is your life's sole motivation.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 13, 19 9:05 AM
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There is no honor is claiming entitlement to what someone else earns.
By even fIow (60), Westhampton Beach on Nov 13, 19 9:19 AM
Then all those farmers accepting handouts should be ashamed, right even flow?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 19 9:33 AM
The condition is identical to what drives Orange Mussolini: avarice.
The very quality combined with a certain stupidity that Putin Who Has All The Money recognized as the perfect candidate to turn and own.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 13, 19 9:49 AM
Get ready for some Kabuki Theater. Just note that the main actor “whistleblower” is, by definition, NOT a whistleblower. He’s a leaker. I will be counting how many times Schiff’s eyes open up wide like stage 3 clinger ex-girlfriend. Enjoy.
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Nov 13, 19 9:53 AM
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I'm just glad you're watching, and hope you go in with an open mind.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 19 10:01 AM
Wouldn't miss it for the world , I am hoping Shiff will entertain us all with another fantasy reading.
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Nov 13, 19 10:22 AM
Say what you will about Schiff's hyperbole, but it got you to tune in.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 19 10:27 AM
By week's end all will see the kangaroo court Schiff is pushing on America.We r not stupid.TRUMP 2020!!!!
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Nov 13, 19 10:34 AM
No, we are not stupid, Mr. Nunes. The Mueller probe was launched by trump's Dept. of "Justice", NOT the Democrats.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 13, 19 11:06 AM
Hey look. I tried having an open mind, but I’ve just about had it with this ambassador. I can appreciate his service to our country but he’s so completely full of s*+# that I cannot watch it anymore. This is the definition of a SCRIPTED testimony. Counsel is leading him and this guy keeps mumbling his words and taking time to answer...and reading his answers! It’s obvious he was coached and it further demonstrates why us conservatives are frustrated. This is an obvious coup attempt. ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Nov 13, 19 12:04 PM
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I'm actually not watching. I prefer reading the transcripts at my own leisure for some of the reasons you pointed out.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 19 12:09 PM
Diseased, does that explain all the notes he took? Did someone coach him to write those? Just to add, they heard everything about the quid pro quo, getting back to his notes that back it up.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Nov 13, 19 12:11 PM
Hey bro, you're still evading.

Hey bf, are you American, or Olde English? Hint: inherited wealth is "unmerited".

"In every political society, parties are unavoidable. A difference of interests, real or supposed, is the most natural and fruitful source of them. The great object should be to combat the evil: 1. By establishing a political equality among all. 2. By withholding unnecessary opportunities from a few, to increase the inequality of property, by an immoderate, and especially ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 1:46 PM
OK JuneZ: I disagree in principle with most of what's quoted above. Especially the Jefferson quote regarding passing on one's hard earned property to whosoever they damn well choose! Would you be in favor of government confiscating ALL wealth from an individual's estate when they die?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 13, 19 4:44 PM
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Well, it would have prevented the worst example of generational wealth since Franklin Pierce. Donald Trump.

If you disagree, then you disagree with a core principal of maintaining an egalitarian democratic republic. Which, technically makes you un-American. Incidentally, you do what Andrew Carnegie did.

You guys think you're do damn smart, don't you?

“The man who dies thus rich dies disgraced.”
~ Andrew Carnegie
Nov 13, 19 6:23 PM appended by Mr. Z
And as far as claiming to believe in a "meritocracy", handing down unmerited advantages to the next generation really f***s that up.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 6:23 PM
I harbor no ill will towards those whos' ancestors did well enough to pass on their hard earned wealth, must suck for you to be filled with such hatred and jealousy. We are in no way considered wealthy, solid middle class at best but I'm inspired to better our financial situation in order to provide a more comfortable life for my family. If you have an issue with that than all I can say is f off Komrade.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 13, 19 7:37 PM
Unfortunately for you, the men who founded this nation "have an issue with that", and so do I. It's a shame you've become what they revolted against.
Nov 13, 19 7:51 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, if you think it's "jealousy and hatred" you obviously lack basic reading comprehension skills. Of course, your grammar and diction pretty much prove that.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 7:51 PM
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

~ Samuel Adams
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 8:02 PM
how much of a person's estate be confiscated by the government upon his death?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 13, 19 8:06 PM
Logically, whatever you were unable to plan for, sell off, or gift to the commonwealth before you kick ye olde bucket. It's quite a bit about personal responsibility.

The way you want to to things was already a failure in 1700s Virginia. Primogeniture was outlawed for a plethora of reasons. Even Ben Franklin wrote of concentrated wealth as "a danger to the happiness of mankind."

“What is most important for democracy is not that great fortunes should not exist, but that great ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 8:24 PM
First Public Impeachment Hearing Was A Joke !!!

Both Witnesses Admit They Had No Contact with Trump

CNN’s Toobin: ‘that’s a problem’

Ken Starr: ‘no hope for impeachment’

Dems Block motion to subpoena ‘Whistleblower’

RAND PAUL: ‘ERIC CIARAMELLA NEEDS TO BE PULLED IN FOR TESTIMONY’

President Trump will prevail at the end of the dog and pony show.
The cost of the dog and pony show ...more
Nov 13, 19 5:53 PM appended by 27dan
Wall street blows up ! Stock market to the democrats. Get lost we're with Trump !
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 13, 19 5:53 PM
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Do you think we should deduct the cost of the pointless Benghazi hearings should be deducted from Republican legislators' pensions as well?

You're right that a direct request for quid pro quo from the president is missing but that's about the only thing, and that's why there's an inquiry.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 19 6:15 PM
The Dems have ALL the text messages to back up what the dopey GOP want to call "hearsay". It's not hearsay, it's corroboration.

What a bunch of tools.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 6:16 PM
Rev. Franklin Graham said Wednesday that the House Democrats’ first public impeachment hearing amounts to a national “day of shame.”
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Nov 13, 19 6:20 PM
Yep. Revealing just how immoral and unethical Donald Trump is truly is a "day of shame".

Don't you "useful idiots" think that the Russians saw this as a possible result of getting him elected? This is just another spark, and I'm kind of surprised they haven't tacked on the counts of obstruction from the Mueller report. Time will tell.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 6:39 PM
Both the Dow Jones Industrial Average and the S&P 500 closed at record highs on Wednesday. as impeachment hearing chokes.

The Dow rose 92.10 points, or three-tenths of a percentage point, to 27783.59. The S&P 500 moved up 2.20 points, to set all time high new records.

Never get tired of WINNING!

MAGA - KAG 2020
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Nov 13, 19 6:24 PM
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M2 Monday November 12, 2018: 14.2 trillion dollars

M2 Wednesday November 7, 2019: 15.2 trillion dollars


We know you can't see the corollary.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 6:36 PM
..............Where Eagles sore

TRUMPS DOW

30,000
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Nov 13, 19 6:41 PM
Russia is starting to look good compared to where the Democrats want to take this country !
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Nov 13, 19 6:44 PM
A trillion dollars has been printed in the past year, and you idiots think it's a good thing?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 6:51 PM
Trump Did This: Today marks 100th record close for S&P under Trump
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 13, 19 6:57 PM
And a record amount of money has been printed in the last 12 months. What a coincidence...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 7:06 PM
Fed Chair warns "U.S. debt is 'on unsustainable path..."
Yup - republicans, the fiscally responsible ones. Not.
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Nov 13, 19 7:25 PM
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TIme to quit playing Bug Eyes Schiff's game.

They should arrest Eric Ciaramella for his treasonous acts. His hands has also been implicated in the Russia Hoax..

There's nothing illegal about identifying Eric Ciaramella by name, so good for Rand Paul that he did it. The CIA pajama boy needs to answer questions under oath.

Eric Ciaramella and the dossier author need to be brought in. Then prosecuted for the lying filth they are.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Nov 13, 19 6:27 PM
All the answers are in the whistleblower report. Including the fact he was accumulating reports of malfeasance for FOUR MONTHS before the report was filed.

You just can't fix stupid.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 7:14 PM
Oops. Caught in ANOTHER lie. Surprise, surprise...

State Department Freed Ukraine Money Before Trump Says He Did

By Nick Wadhams and Saleha Mohsin
November 9, 2019, 1:32 PM EST

Department lawyers found the White House lacked authority
Chain of events undercuts Trump’s account of freeing the funds
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 6:42 PM
The defendant should be Eric Ciaramella for disclosing classified information

Bring on the IG Report?
By They call me (2826), southampton on Nov 13, 19 6:47 PM
Considering the whistleblower never made his info public, i.e. disseminated to your hated MSM, you have zero ground to propagate your falsehoods. Atkinson provided the report to Congress in September 26 when it went public, and it was filed on August 12. But go ahead, it's worth the entertainment value.

Which dopey right wing talking head are you parroting today?
Nov 13, 19 7:00 PM appended by Mr. Z
You can even read the VERBATIM report here: https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 7:00 PM
To quote another jackass trumpite, one with a high profile, it must suck to be this stupid.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 13, 19 7:31 PM
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Proud Trumpite dear sorry for you bad case of s f a d
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Nov 14, 19 12:42 AM
President Donald Trump issued his first response to Wednesday's public impeachment inquiry hearing on Twitter:

"What’s going on now is the single greatest scam in the history of American politics," Trump said. "The Democrats want to take away your guns, they want to take away your health care, they want to take away your vote, they want to take away your freedom, they want to take away your judges, they want to take away everything."

"We can never let this happen, we’re ...more
By Cooper's Hawk (24), Southampton on Nov 13, 19 7:21 PM
Conman Dumpf must be exhausted after all this shoveling.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 13, 19 7:39 PM
"Unless your government is respectable, foreigners will invade your rights; and to maintain tranquillity, it must be respectable - even to observe neutrality, you must have a strong government."
~ Alexander Hamilton

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries." ~ James Madison

“A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 7:47 PM
if anyone is exhausted hon, it's adam schiff the story teller ~ hearsay, innuendo,baseless allegation, rumor,speculation ! it wasn't a court proceeding it was the telephone game! laughable
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Nov 13, 19 9:30 PM
Sorry Charlie, but the August 12 whistleblower report was amassed over the course of four months. The only laughable element are the fools who still support the Prevaricator in Chief.

From the Report:

In the course of my official duties, I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election. This interference includes, among ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 13, 19 9:53 PM
laughable schiff’s star witness is crumbling under pressure. He wasn’t listening
to the phone call and he has never even met President Trump. what a joke. based on that criteria, mr z qualifies to testify too.
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Nov 14, 19 12:44 AM
July 25:

Volker texts Yermak, saying, “Good lunch – thanks.” (The timing and content of this lunch remains unknown.) “Heard from White House—assuming President Z convinces trump he will investigate / ‘get to the bottom of what happened’ in 2016, we will nail down date for visit to Washington. Good luck! See you tomorrow- kurt.”

Volker texts Giuliani and Sondland about a “chat” he had with Yermak last night. (The timing ...more
Nov 14, 19 2:52 AM appended by Mr. Z
Taylor texts Sondland, “The message to the Ukrainians (and Russians) we send with the decision on security assistance is key. With the hold, we have already shaken their faith in us. Thus my nightmare scenario.” He later says, “As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.”
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 14, 19 2:52 AM