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Feb 23, 2011 12:58 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Twenty-Eight Positions Could Be Cut At Eastport South Manor School District

Feb 23, 2011 12:58 PM

Eastport South Manor School Superintendent Mark Nocero’s preliminary $82.4 million 2011-12 budget calls for the slashing of 28 staff positions, citing proposed cuts in state funding and rising personnel costs.

Mr. Nocero, who unveiled his suggested spending plan during the School Board’s last meeting on February 16, told the estimated 50 teachers and parents in attendance that he could not identify what positions he thinks should be eliminated. He did note, however, that trimming 28 positions would save the district an estimated $2.3 million in salaries next year.

He explained that his goal while formulating next year’s budget was to cut $4 million in spending, a move designed to offset an anticipated $4 million spike in contracted and nondiscretionary expenses.

“It is not a proud moment for New York State or for ESM,” Mr. Nocero said before unveiling his proposed budget last week. “This year we feel like we’re protecting our school district from an assault,” he added, referring to projected cuts in state aid and unfunded mandates being handed down from Albany.

If adopted as proposed, the superintendent’s budget would still increase overall spending by about $3.1 million—or 3.9 percent—next year. This year’s budget totals $79.3 million, and that spending plan included a 3.61-percent increase in the tax rate for those living in the Southampton Town portion of the school district.

School officials said it was too early to estimate how much the tax rate would increase next year.

Mr. Nocero and Assistant Superintendent for Business Richard Snyder presented their first draft of the budget during last week’s meeting. School Board members will spend the next few months modifying his proposal before district taxpayers vote on the spending plan in May.

When reached earlier this week, Mr. Snyder declined to offer a breakdown of the 28 positions that could be cut next year, stating that it was still too early to provide such information. The district has four schools—
Eastport South Manor Junior-Senior High School, Eastport Elementary, Dayton Avenue Elementary and South Street Elementary—and employs nearly 600 people.

While addressing board members last week, Mr. Nocero said they will also be forced to make cuts to the district’s theater and athletics programs, and reduce spending on new materials and supplies throughout the district. Many of those in attendance included teachers and representatives of the district’s parent teacher associations.

Mr. Nocero’s proposal outlined 34 cost-saving measures that have been put in place by the district over the last few years in anticipation of this year’s tight budget. Among them were the elimination of paid guest speakers, a decrease in the purchase of textbooks, and the cutting of funding for the district’s alternative high school.

But even with those reductions, Mr. Nocero said, it is impossible for the district to absorb any increase without also cutting staff and programs. He said the $4 million increase in contracted and nondiscretionary expenses breaks down as follows: a $1.1 million increase in teacher retirement benefits, a $750,000 jump in health insurance premiums, a $114,000 increase in general employee retirement costs, and a $1.5 million bump in staff salaries. In addition, the 
district is responsible for $1.5 million in new debt payments to cover recent districtwide improvements.

Additionally, under Governor Andrew Cuomo’s proposed state budget, Eastport South Manor is slated to receive about $18.9 million in state aid next year, a 8.63-percent decrease from the $20.7 million it received this year.

To help soften the blow for taxpayers, Mr. Nocero said he wants to cut $4 million in spending, but slashing 28 positions will only save $2.3 million. Therefore, he is also proposing trimming $1.7 million from other areas, namely by eliminating some after-
school activities and sports teams, and cutting back on the purchase of new materials and equipment.

The superintendent’s plan recommends that athletics be cut by approximately $43,000 next year, and calls for the elimination of secondary sports teams at the middle school level, a measure that could save about $24,000. The middle schools, he said, would still have at least one team for each sport. He is also proposing reducing the number of athletic chaperones and cutting back on purchases of new materials and supplies.

Mr. Nocero also wants to cut $30,000 from the high school theater program, and School Board members said they don’t know if this decrease will force students to put on just one show next year instead of two. His plan also calls for slashing $30,000 for new music equipment purchases.

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Only on Long Island, when we have been in the worst economic times since the Great Depression, would you see the following paragraph.

"The $4 million in contracted and nondiscretionary expenses cited by Mr. Nocero include: a $1.1 million increase in teacher retirement benefits, a $750,000 jump in health insurance premiums, a $114,000 increase in general employee retirement costs, and a $1.5 million bump in staff salaries. "

Give back the "1.5 million bump in staff salaries", and ...more
By The Real World (368), southampton on Feb 17, 11 3:33 PM
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A $750,000.00 increase in health insurance premiums has nothing to with teachers, staff or "only in the hamptons" - it is a direct result of our worthless private health insurance industry that raises rates every year while decreasing benefits. Want to save that money? Then push for medicare for all!
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 17, 11 3:42 PM
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You know it the haves have too much, Single payer NOW!
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Feb 17, 11 5:18 PM
your a joke
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Feb 17, 11 5:18 PM
Ah, typical hamptonjoe teabaggery. When you can't answer facts, hurl insults instead. Joe, the fact that you consider me a joke makes me realize I am doing something right. Keep on baggin'.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 17, 11 5:28 PM
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"When you can't answer facts, hurl insults instead."
" Keep on baggin'."

You really like to project your own vile behavior onto others, don't you?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 17, 11 5:40 PM
Are you Joe's wife?
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 17, 11 5:59 PM
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joe prefers that there should be no "speed limits" on the accumulation of wealth in society, and if you are poor, it's most likely your own damn fault your dollar has become worth 5% of what is was forty years ago. It's also your fault the price of commodities have been speculated "through the roof", because you can control that too. No one else built their vacation homes near you, exploited your neighborhood, or brought their cost of living to you. Those circumstances don't exist, and controlled ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 17, 11 6:13 PM
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You guys realize that the "taxpayers" are the ones who voted for all of this stuff... right?

Ya know, when the School has a vote (and keeps having votes until they get their desired outcome) to increase the budget for XYZ with the threat of cutting Gym or Music...and the parents all turn out and vote "yes" and then the budget goes through the roof.

Don't complain about school budgets unless you went and voted NO
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 11 6:58 PM
socialist
By (2), on Mar 5, 11 5:18 AM
Razza, you propogate so many lies it would be a full time job to address them all.

Teachers are covered by the NY Empire Plan, unless they opt out.

This plan is run by the state, with minimal administrative costs. Rates are based on health care expenditures and a tiny fraction goes into administrative costs.

What "worthless" insurance company raised these rates? What benefits were reduced?

Razza? Hello? Are you going to answer, or is your ego in danger of imploding ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 17, 11 4:01 PM
Hey, realitylast, unlike you I am not sitting around waiting for you to respond to my posts. Now that I have an opportunity to do so, let me start off by saying that for all of the "lies" you accuse me of propagating, you spew ten times the b s .

So, realitylast, are you asserting that there is no relationship between rising health insurance costs and NY Empire premium
increases? Sure sounds like you are. Let me enlighten you.

In a country where health care is controlled ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 17, 11 5:12 PM
What does any of this have to do with the state plan raising their rates?

"Although Empire's administrative costs may be low, most private insurers spend anywhere from 12 to 30% on administrative costs - which drives up all health care costs, forcing Empire to raise their Premiums to meet those increased health care costs."

How could a private insurer's admistrative costs raise any rates but their own?

You are incapable of thinking rationally.

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 17, 11 5:38 PM
If you reread my post you will find the answer, which is why you clearly did not read it in the first place. Increased administrative costs of private insurers drive up the cost of health care which in turn means that empire must increase premiums to meet those costs. Even the simplest of all simpletons should be able to understand the concept of increased costs.

If by "rational thought" you mean thinking the way you do, then yes, I am proudly incapable of that.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 17, 11 5:58 PM
"Increased administrative costs of private insurers drive up the cost of health care"

Only for the people in that plan!

If Aetna operates inefficiently and 30% of their premiums go towards THEIR administrative costs, how does that make costs go up with any other insurer? It doesn't raise the cost of the providers, drugs, or facilities. It only raises the premiums of that insurer.

THINK
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 17, 11 6:30 PM
Thus is the last time I am going to explain it so pay attention: if Aetna spends 30% of every dollar on administrative costs that drives up the cost of care because less money goes to actual treatment. When the cost of care increases it increases for everyone, not just Aetna, not to mention all of the other facts i mentioned that you completely ignored. Healthcare costs ( the cost of providing care) have a direct effect on health insurance premiums. The private insurance monopoly is driving up ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 17, 11 7:02 PM
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You have no comprehension of business or finance (unsuprisingly for a proponent of wealth "redistribution").

All other factors being equal:

Inefficient insurance collects a $1000 premium, and has $700 to spend on treatment.

Efficient insurance collects a $1000 premium and has $900 to spend on treatment.

So, for the same premium Efficient insurance can offer more coverage for the same premium. Alternatively, they can charge a lower premium and still offer everything ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 17, 11 7:13 PM
Remember this will be the last time he explains this :)
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Feb 18, 11 1:22 AM
Rates for large groups are not community rated. They are based on claims experience. The school probably has NYSHIP through blue cross.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Feb 18, 11 4:07 PM
OK Phil. I read your post and the attached link. What are you ojecting to?

The accusation by razza was that insurance company profiteering is the cause for rising insurance rates.

All you've done is to reference a long list of reasons other than profiteering that can cause rates to rise.

It happens to be accurate. Thank you for proving my point.

(By the way, pooling has nothing to do with this. Insurance rates vary widely between companies. Companies with higher ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 17, 11 7:03 PM
Phil, New York uses a pure community rating which allows insurers to vary rates based on benefit design and family composition only.

All that means is that an insurance company in NY has to charge the same rate for the same plan for the same type of family.

IE. Couple without children:

Insurer A can charge $1000 for all couples without children, but that rate must be offered to all couples without children.

Insurer B can charge $5000 for a plan with the same benfits, ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 17, 11 8:00 PM
I think you guys are confusing things. Most municipalities and school districts are pooled together into NYSHIP. The rate plans are based on claims experience and administrative cost. In addition to townships paying most of the cost through taxes a portion of the premium is also subsidized by NY state taxes. If you have a non municipality OR a business with under 50 employees you are community rated. In fact that law created in 1992 has had a huge negative impact on individuals and sole proprieters.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Feb 18, 11 4:15 PM
Did you ever notice when it comes to cuts in the schools it's always things for the kids sports, clubs, music ect. How about cutting down on the number of superintendants, principals and extra staff that isn't directly involved with the kids. Thats where the big waste of money is.
By lifesaver (118), speonk on Feb 18, 11 7:49 AM
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I agree lifesaver. Just this year Tuckahoe school wanted to build "on campus" housing for their superintendent and new they are complaining that they are losing state funds!

To realityfirst, razza has given you a simple truth which you simply refuse to accept, but that does not make it any less true. Every cent of every dollar NOT spent directly on health care increases premiums for all of us, no matter what insurance plan we are on. And when rates go up people lose their insurance ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Feb 18, 11 8:09 AM
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By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 18, 11 4:22 PM
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By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Feb 18, 11 4:42 PM
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By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Feb 18, 11 8:28 PM
I am with lifesaver..EH is a perfect example..Supt,Asst Supt, HS Principle and 3 Vice principles..one of which just finally moved to middle school. The supt and asst supt rarely if Ever even step foot in the middle school and elementary school..No one here stepping up to do what is best for the children..Montauk and Sag Harbor took the step forward ..now that's a community.
By gansetteer (125), East Hampton on Feb 18, 11 10:16 AM
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Only on Long island can a school district cut personnel as still increase the budget, time for you teachers and administrators to realize the pension system is dying and you will eventually have to have a 401k like the rest of us and when you don't make wise investment decisions you'll have to go live in a trailer park in Florida like the rest of have to who have supported these outragious payments for years. It's coming folks no more retiring at 55 with a 150k pension.
By maxwell (169), speonk on Feb 18, 11 3:21 PM
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Maxwell, why is that in a country where we just gave away 800 billion dollars in tax cuts to the rich, where a republican house refuses to end 36 billion dollars in oil subsidies a year, where two wars and unneeded military bases around the world suck us dry, where banks and wall street sucked dry the pensions of middle class workers and then paid themselves billions in bonuses, why is it that people always look to scapegoat teachers and their pensions?

Teachers and unions didn't create ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Feb 18, 11 4:18 PM
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By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 18, 11 6:49 PM
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By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Feb 18, 11 10:21 PM
Maybe they didn't create this mess progress, but they were more than willing to emulate it's example.

They may not have birthed the disaster, but they were quite responsible for following suit, and "stealing" just the same.
Feb 19, 11 11:45 AM appended by Mr. Z
Here's a solid piece of journalism I'm sure you'll enjoy: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 19, 11 11:45 AM
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By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 18, 11 4:28 PM
I am removing my own comment because the net nanny will remove it anyway
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Feb 19, 11 12:51 PM
They want us all to take our open exchange of ideas and go somewhere else. So they can slowly disseminate the news they see fit in a matter they deem appropriate
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Feb 19, 11 12:59 PM
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"cry cry cry"
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 19, 11 4:16 PM
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More home schooling is the answer. Instead we are trying to move the other direction and turn our schools into year round 10 hour daycare centers where our children get indoctrinated into the multicultural socialistic Steve Jobs mentality by overpaid progressive union loving teachers. Instead let one parent stay home to teach the kids family values as well as a computer assisted curriculum and give them tax breaks if they choose to do so.
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on Feb 19, 11 2:42 PM
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By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 19, 11 2:53 PM
I predict now that I have said the above, and might I add It is on topic and appropriate. You will see this story quickly shuffled by our fine editorial staff to the back of the web site
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on Feb 19, 11 2:46 PM
I predict that in the economic morass created by persons of your politics and mettle, that you will scantly discover a family who can AFFORD to have one parent not work.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 19, 11 3:50 PM
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How about this for a way to keep the budget in check: All future increases in health insurance premiums will be paid by THE TEACHERS AND ADMINISTRATORS, not the taxpayers!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 19, 11 6:32 PM
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By Bob Schepps (77), Southampton on Feb 19, 11 7:35 PM
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By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 19, 11 10:20 PM
Blame the unions. Typical chamber of commerce response.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Feb 19, 11 10:36 PM
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Why are the teachers getting raises??? No one in the rest of the world is???
So, because of that, the children programs get cut. Shame on all on you !!!!
By powerwalker (52), Southampton on Feb 19, 11 7:52 PM
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By They call me (2826), southampton on Feb 19, 11 10:04 PM
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By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 19, 11 10:23 PM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 20, 11 3:49 PM
Why are so many of you so resentful of the people who dedicate their lives to teaching kids? Shameful.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Feb 19, 11 10:46 PM
It's not about being resentful of their profession.

It's being resentful of the price they levy on society to perform it.

Especially when there are parties who are horrendous at it, but can't be fired.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 20, 11 3:51 PM
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It is a lie perpetuated by the right that teachers cannot be fired. They can and I have seen it happen. The price they levy on society is insignificant in comparison to the indespensible roll they play in preparing the next generation of scientists, politicians, engineers, teachers, nurses . . . A number have posters have written about the hundreds of billions of tax breaks to the rich being paid for on the backs of the middle class, but those who attack teachers, and, in turn middle class workers, ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Feb 20, 11 4:16 PM
You automatically assume that all teachers are mediocre and you cannot have a discussion starting from there. You also refuse to answer the argument that the federal and state governments are giving massive tax breaks to the rich and then attempting to pay for them on the backs of middle class workers.

Our education system is substandard for one reason: ever growing income disparity. Wealthy district schools are doing well, poor district schools are not. Average them together and the ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Feb 21, 11 11:51 AM
"Chris Christie gets fat from tens of millions of dollars in tax breaks for big corporations..." New Jersey gets fat on the jobs and oppurtunities that come from those tax breaks. As far as a "Blame the unions. Typical chamber of commerce response." What a crock. I have personally been with a union for almost twenty years now as with my full time employees. I am not against unions the same way I'm not against business what I am against is BIG business and BIG unions wrecking the product or service ...more
By Bob Schepps (77), Southampton on Feb 20, 11 7:44 AM
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Christie has NOT created jobs in New Jersey and he is destroying the educations system. That fat tyrant has become the hero pro-business, anti-union right wingers everywhere despite the fact that there is absolutely no evidence that his policies work. None.

Hundreds of billions of dollars of tax breaks to the rich and give aways to corporate CEO's and the teachers should negotiate?! Are you kidding? How many corporate criminals have been prosecuted in Jersey or anywhere else in this ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 20, 11 10:21 AM
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Thanks Razza5351 for pigeon holeing me as right wing. You keep spewing taling points instead of actually listening. You are a willing participant in the polarizing affects of our political system. Its like chinese hand cuffs the more you pull the tighter they get. Wake up or don't that's up to you but stateing that teachers have given concessions over and over is a fools arguement. The diference between what you want and what you can have is not a concession. fact is its all not working and if we ...more
By Bob Schepps (77), Southampton on Feb 20, 11 11:02 AM
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By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 20, 11 12:21 PM
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"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions. "

~ Albert Einstein

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 20, 11 4:19 PM
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By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 20, 11 12:31 PM
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By They call me (2826), southampton on Feb 20, 11 1:27 PM
More like a virus, that kills it's host...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 20, 11 4:30 PM
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WISC UNIONS OFFER CONCESSIONS...

Gov. Walker Says No ! ...
...warns that 12,000 workers could be fired if they dont get back to work.

Well its about time . Lets clean up this mess Walker.
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Feb 20, 11 1:34 PM
So you cheer him for not accepting what he originally requested? That is just pigheaded, arrogant, and beneficial to no one. In the end, Walker and those like him will find themselves out of work - until they become lobbyists for large corporations
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Feb 20, 11 4:24 PM
With 9% unemplyment Im sure they wouldnt have too hard of a time replacing them. My guess is the union would crumble and most of them wouldnt leave their jobs anyway. If they did leave good luck finding those pension and medical benefits in the private sector. These people need to check with times, get with the program and start making concessions.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Feb 20, 11 5:09 PM
my workers are getting more than enough thats why I have not lost 1 person to hard feelings in 13 years and please show me where I said it was hard to live on 250,00 a year. as usual you are less than truthful in your rhetoric
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Feb 20, 11 7:47 PM
Walker has sealed his fate. The people will triumph.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Feb 20, 11 2:08 PM
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By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Feb 21, 11 7:20 AM
Certainly understand the economic conditions of the day, but teachers should not bemade scapegoats for everything. In order to teach in NY state, a person must get a 4 year college degree and then a masters, plus take numerous certification exams. You cant expect a person to invest over 150,000 dollars in both college and post graduate education, and then take a job that doesnt pay a respectable salary and include professional white collar benefits. Who do you want to teach?
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Feb 20, 11 7:23 PM
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Remind us all again, why the cost of an education has skyrocketed?
Feb 20, 11 8:30 PM appended by Mr. Z
Like I always say, "The only thing that EVER trickled down, was an unreasonable cost of living." .
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 20, 11 8:30 PM
Scapegoats? A resounding no.

Tighten your belts, just like the majority of those who pay YOUR salary? A resounding YES.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 20, 11 8:51 PM
They have been asked for 20 years to be more reasonable and only now at the 11 hour do they want to compromise. No no no the well is dry and now its time for some common sense.
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By 27dan (2854), Southampton on Feb 20, 11 9:11 PM
Unreal
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Feb 21, 11 8:23 AM
everyone of those comments was on topic
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Feb 21, 11 8:23 AM
Slightly askew, apparently.

At least they were "said", and read...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 21, 11 7:08 PM
Regarding Press censorship:

1) No links to other news publications.

2) No links to other sites that contain news that the Press has omitted.

3) No posts that offend the Press's notion of propriety.(?)
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Feb 21, 11 11:40 AM
Back on topic(IMHO)-The Wisconsin teacher;s union is being irresponsible and not putting the children first. In these difficult times we , the taxpayers , the EMPLOYERS of said teachers and public sector employees have had to tighten our belts and make financial sacrifices. Our EMPLOYEES must do the same. Time to contribute more to health care premiums and to retirement funds. We can no longer afford the great benefit packages anymore.Why is this such a problem for the supposedly highly educated ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 21, 11 11:48 AM
You are not following this story. The teachers union in Wisconsin has AGREED to an increased contribution to benefits and health insurance. They have AGREED to the number first proposed by the Governor. But he has REFUSED to negotiate with them because he wants to take away their right to collective bargaining. He wants to break the unions. They AGREED to pay the increases. I repeat: They AGREED to pay the increases but Governor Mubarak Walker refuses to budge.

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By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Feb 21, 11 11:55 AM
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as they should
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Feb 21, 11 4:39 PM
"What is the state of our moral being when Lloyd Blankfein taking a $9 million bonus is viewed as this great act of contrition, when every penny of it was a direct transfer from the taxpayer?" asks Eliot Spitzer, who tried to hold Wall Street accountable during his own ill-fated stint as governor of New York.

How's that, when it comes to taxpayer financed tomfoolery?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 21, 11 7:07 PM
Outrageous. However, it pales in comparison to the cleptocracy that government employment has become.

A guy working in the highway department making $40,000 certainly needs the protection of a union. A $140,000 teacher does not.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 21, 11 7:15 PM
Because of the way our "Capitalist" system has been operated since the demise of the Charter System, and the corruption of the Fourteeth Amendment, Unions have become the great protagonist against corporate, and government greed.

They give workers a much needed strength, and a semblance of power. HOWEVER, like any power granted, it can properly be used, or abused. What we have currently, on BOTH sides of the table, is a classic, textbook, psychological case of ABUSE.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 21, 11 7:54 PM
What percentage of teachers are making $140,000/year? Only those who have been working for 15 or more years and they've earned it. Just because you've got limited earning potential that doesn't mean others should suffer. You are sucha tool
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 21, 11 10:54 PM
Whats up with this site why are they deleting so many posts and who is reporting it. I didnt see any thing inappropriate
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Feb 21, 11 12:18 PM
Walker won the election. Republicans won enough seats to control the legislature.

You liberals are welcome to come along, but you'll have to ride in the back of the bus.

Elections have consequences, so sit down and shut up.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 21, 11 1:51 PM
The problem with leftist traitors like you phil, is that you keep inventing "rights" that have no basis in the Constitution.

Being allowed to collude with sympathetic politicians, that your organization helped elect, to screw the taxpayer and drive the nation into bankruptcy is not a right.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 21, 11 7:11 PM
Now, now, children. "Traitor" is a very strong word.

Schmoozing, and bamboozling aren't guarnanteed in the Constitution either. For that matter, neither are greed, avarice, "pork barrel" spending, chicanery, surrepititousness, or even reticence.

Wait, we have the Fifth Amendment, I take a SMALL part of the last word back...
Feb 21, 11 7:37 PM appended by Mr. Z
Sorry for any "type-o's", I am overdue for a long nap...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 21, 11 7:37 PM
"traitor"? You really should be put on that watch list.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 21, 11 10:49 PM
With all the hate filled vitrol and violent rhetoric against conservatives from you Razza, your "watch list" threats are quite rich.

At least we know that when the leftist thugs "take it to the streets" you'll be hiding under the bed in your parents basement.

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 22, 11 6:57 PM
A teacher must join the union to work in the Wisconson public school system.

A teacher must pay union dues. These dues are invoulantarily taken from their paychecks.

The union pools these dues, and donates large amounts to particular politicians.

When the time comes to negotiate, they sit across the tabel from the same politicians, whose loyalties are with the unions that help them get elected.

Philathome can't imagine how the public interest isn't corrupted through ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 21, 11 2:05 PM
Yeah phil, tell us that unions don't use dues to get candidates elected who will funnel the most money back to their memebers

WEAC is the teachers union in Wisconson. This is from the AP:

WEAC is typically among the largest-spending special interests in Wisconsin politics, helping former Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle win two terms in office and often trying to sway key legislative races with television ads and mailers. It also contributes to other groups that run political ads in favor ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 21, 11 8:22 PM
If it's okay for unions to contribute to political campaigns,why should corporations be prohibited from contributing to them?

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 22, 11 6:48 PM
What's the problem with teachers and all employees in the public sector paying more for their health insurance and retirement ?! I pay 14k per year for health insurance for my wife and myself as a small businesw owner. Why does the public sector get a pass on paying a similar bill?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 22, 11 11:12 PM
In Wisconsin the public workers unions have already agreed to pay exactly what the governor asked of them, but he owes a debt to the Koch brothers and he wants to end the right to collective bargaining. Why? So the rich can get richer.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 23, 11 1:16 PM
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By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 23, 11 11:57 AM
News reports today say that Wisconsin could lose $46 million in federal funding if the governor's plan goes through. Seems that they would be violating federal laws that enable them to receive those funds.

How much were they going to save?
By VOS (1241), WHB on Feb 23, 11 1:29 PM
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By VOS (1241), WHB on Feb 24, 11 2:57 AM
Good gracious! I don't think I've ever seen a story which has generated so much red boilerplate by the Moderator!

Why has there been so much loss of self-control by the Commenters?
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Feb 25, 11 10:59 AM
What I see, is abuse on BOTH sides of the fence.

Not just the Unions in question, but the "higher ups" as well.

IF you work 313 days out of the year (one day off a week), @10hrs. a day, that equates to 3130 manhours.

Out of 52 weeks, @ 40hrs. a week, it adds up to 2080 manhours.

School is not in session for 3 months of the year.

Summer job, anyone?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 26, 11 7:41 AM
Once again, here's a simple way to keep our school taxes at their current rate. All increases in costs, eg. health care, pension contributions, shall be borne by the EMPLOYEES, not the employers!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 26, 11 12:42 PM
excessive $$ spent in this district has got to get under control. Teachers in this Districit receive 85% of health premiums covered by taxpayers AFTER they retire until they die. That insane! Unions that lobby for and received these incentives need a reality check....times-are-a-changing for ALL. Why should District employees be immune? There's a lot of new teachers just looking to secure a job... offer ( very) reduced pensions and no perks & replace the tenured.
By violetsrblue (1), Manorville on Feb 28, 11 5:42 AM
"There's a lot of new teachers just looking to secure a job." You wind the award for most thoughtless, moronic comment of the month, a real feat on this website.
Feb 28, 11 9:46 AM appended by razza5351
"win" the award
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 28, 11 9:46 AM
It is called income disparity, something the right would like to increase and not eradicate
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Mar 1, 11 9:32 AM
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Confucius say:

"Those who take more, than they give, damage all of society."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 4, 11 5:40 PM
reading your posts razza... you get off on insulting people without a worthy comment. Coward. A cap on Superintendent pay is underway. $190K, $240K & $375K for Superintendent pay on Long Island? The homeowner is watching their tax dollars go into the pockets of these administrators, thoughtless about our lacks in our childrens' public education. Shut your mouth and read a newpaper... get informed before you spew mindless thoughts.
By (2), on Mar 5, 11 5:17 AM
Teachers salaries (for 9 months of work) and benefits have increased beyond reason, yet none are willing to take a cut to avoid their friends from losing their jobs.

Union members selfishly throw their freinds overboard to keep the ship from sinking, rather than reduce the fat around their middle.
By mariner (8), Southampton on Mar 2, 11 7:36 PM
"beyond reason"? Please give a factual example of what you consider reasonable. More teabaggery.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Mar 2, 11 9:36 PM
capt'n crunch, are you intentionally lying or do you not pay attention. The unions in Wisconsin AGREED to the percentages proposed by Mubarak Walker, but he refuses to allow them collective bargaining rights. This is America, remember?
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Mar 4, 11 10:49 AM
Don't expect an honest debate from someone who equates an elected governer with a murderous tyrant.

Razza can't even come up with a unique libel...just echos of radical left wing blogs.

Luckily, when 27east goes to a pay model, phil, razza, and the rest of the radical leftist cabal here are going to disappear.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Mar 4, 11 11:06 AM
I look around at the news, and I see that too many have either forgotten, or failed to learn their History. Do you think about the sacrifices, and the live it cost to have Unions in the firstplace? Do you consider all those that selflessly gave to have these "rights, and priveleges"?

Is this how "We" honor their memory, and sacrifice? By ABUSING that which they earned for future generations to the point that society cannot afford to support the sheer amount taken?

I feel we still ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 5, 11 12:18 PM
O' Captain, you can't be further from the truth.

Executive "compensation" has skyrocketed to unimaginable heights, compared to the "average" worker.

The gap between "rich", and "poor", has NEVER been greater in modern history. Though we have left squalid working conditions behind, we have not left grossly overestimating one's fiscal worth behind. The way these people still greedily behave, shows no honor is done to those who gave up much, to have what we now do.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 6, 11 9:29 AM
philsthome:

"(for those who do not know who wackenhut is,google them-they're the ones who were photographed derinking vodka out of eachothers' butts and frolicking naked-on the taxpayers dime-in Iraq).
A real purveyor of conservative values. "

Your sarcasm about "conservative values" is spot on. Vulgar and obscene behavior using taxpayers money is certainly a hallmark of liberal values.

For a second I thought you were descriving a teachers conference.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Mar 6, 11 12:41 PM
Well, you see Cap'n Crunch, that's where you lack some serious life experience. I can't believe you have that simple a view on job performance, and occupational advancement.

There are many tens of thousands, or more out in the workforce who are stuck in low paying jobs, whose skill sets VASTLY eclipse the work they do (myself included). To pour a little salt into that, "Corporate America" has their pay scales, ordained levels, and they are set no matter the cost of living in a local area. ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 6, 11 1:07 PM
Yep, that's right Cap'n, it's obviously those middle class folks who can't find a job, competing for a better one against hundreds of candidates who file resumes, who are to blame for their own "misfortune". It's not all the malfeasance, or the unprosecutable class of citizen that has been created in our society. A wise man once said, "It’s all right to tell a man to lift himself by his own bootstraps, but it is cruel jest to say to a bootless man that he ought to lift himself by his own ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 6, 11 8:15 PM
Right.

And how many of those three jobs, are high skill positions, electricial mechanic, plumbing mechanic, tin knocker, middle management, Website Moderator, or IT/networking/security positions? Is this guy cleared by the TSA to haul nuclear waste, should he be able to get the job? Most likely not yet. Maybe never. Maybe someday, he'll be able to do any of those.

Most likely not a one. IF you knew how many resumes I, and those like me have sent out in the last two years, ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 7, 11 11:21 PM
And for reference, I've NEVER collected unemployment. EVER.

No task is beneath me, because as a manager, I cannot willfully ask others to do what I have not, or will not do.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 7, 11 11:27 PM
If you can post an intelligent comment on this page - thank a teacher.
By BaymenNYC (59), Manhattan on Mar 4, 11 5:32 PM
How's this for a man with a "neglible" education? An Italian immigrant, wrongfully accused of murder, and sent to the gallows. Read what follows, and you will find that "life" is your best teacher.

Being "educated" has a bit to do with who teaches an individual, yes. HOWEVER, it is 99.9% YOU whom is the person that chooses to learn, and chooses what to become. Wisdom, mercy, all the "advanced" traits of being human, have unfortunately been taught by some very hard lessons. As Bruce ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 5, 11 11:58 AM
...and to prove my point - I learned about Sacco and Vanzetti in my 11th grade American history course...from an AMAZING teacher!
By BaymenNYC (59), Manhattan on Mar 5, 11 9:57 PM
I'd question why it took until 11th grade 'til you learned about it.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 6, 11 9:24 AM
You seriously want a GREAT read?

Give Frederick Douglass a chance.

I have rarely read passages with such passion, heart, and eloquent brutal honesty.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 7, 11 11:09 PM
"...less than $12,000 a year, in line with the world's average income"

Source: Cosmic Log, @ msnbc.com
Mar 5, 11 5:56 PM appended by Mr. Z
http://www.history.com/shows/the-people-speak/videos/the-people-speak-3#the-people-speak-3
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Mar 4, 11 5:56 PM
When the 28 positions to be cut are revealed, I wonder how many will actually be teachers rather than (low ranking) administrative personnel.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Mar 8, 11 6:42 AM
Lets see Mr.Nocero......$81 million for 3,700 students.......WOW, are you kidding me?? Is this Harvard ?? Yale ?? This translates to almost $22,000 PER student!!!! When will the madness end??? I urge ALL members of the ESM school board to stay true to the taxpayers and vote NO9 for the upcoming budget and ask for union give-backs, salary freezes and a reduction in salaries for ALL administrators!!
By T-BONE (6), manorville on Mar 11, 11 10:21 PM
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Hey how about eliminating dead wood teachers that have tenure?

Oh that's right the corrupt union would never go for laying off based on performance!

Last in- first out...without regard to performance- Now there's a concept that will ultimately kill the teacher's unions in NY State!
By cubbie2011 (1), manorville on Mar 16, 11 12:56 PM