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Jun 7, 2016 4:50 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

County Road 39 Blinking Light Trial Did Not Yield Hoped-For Results

Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman is still exploring ways to improve the intersection at County Road 39 and Tuckahoe Road so that it is safer for motorists. PRESS FILE
Jun 8, 2016 9:32 AM

Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman will not move to eliminate stoplights on County Road 39 to ease traffic, since a recent trial failed to show much improvement when a blinking light were used instead at a key intersection during the morning commute.

Still, the supervisor said this week that he will continue to explore ways to make the intersection at County Road 39 and Tuckahoe Road safer and more efficient for a traffic increase anticipated in coming years—and one possibility is to reroute some roads near that intersection.

Mr. Schneiderman said he recently met with engineers from the Suffolk County Department of Public Works—the department had worked with the town in conducting the trial in mid-April, and learned that there was only an “insignificant” decrease in how much time it took motorists to travel with the traffic signal set to blinking yellow, as opposed to a normal three-color signal—instead of the reduction of at least 10 minutes of travel time that he had hoped for.

If there had been a significant decrease in travel time, the town and county might have explored removing the traffic signal and building an underpass to replace the four-way intersection.

“If it significantly were to alleviate traffic patterns, we could look toward eliminating the light. That’s why I was looking at solutions,” Mr. Schneiderman said of the April trial. “But since the blinking light did not significantly improve anything, there’s no point in eliminating that light.

“If the data doesn’t support my theory, I’ve got to go with the data. So I kind of have walked away from this [underpass] idea,” he added. “We are looking at other solutions.”

One solution may be to reroute Tuckahoe Road, as there has been a long-standing effort on behalf of the Shinnecock Hills Golf Club to do so. The public road currently bisects the historic golf course, and representatives have expressed interest in having it connect to St. Andrews Road instead. That also could create an opportunity to rearrange the traffic patterns in that area.

The U.S. Open Championship is slated to take place at Shinnecock Hills in 2018. Mr. Schneiderman has said he hopes to improve the intersection at Tuckahoe Road and County Road 39 to accommodate the anticipated influx of traffic not only from that event but also from Southampton Hospital’s eventual relocation to the Stony Brook Southampton campus, which is just off Tuckahoe Road.

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Really want to ease traffic????? Build a bypass where the RR tracks are...nothing else will help anything. You will only move the problem from one area to the another..........
By sandydog21 (195), Southampton on Jun 8, 16 8:04 AM
Great idea, SD21! The LIRR just announced that they're replacing train service out East with bus service, so what better use of the rail beds? A limited access road way!


By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Jun 8, 16 8:38 AM
Lousy idea, suggested for years, because there is not enough physical room for a new highway. The logistical and legal nightmares are too numerous to discuss, just for the "taking" of private property with eminent domain. Not to mention actually building the thing . . .

Simple solutions are appealing . . .

But simply not do-able on The East End's VERY expensive and limited real estate.

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 8, 16 9:23 AM
Pipe dream for many reasons. Call me a naysayer or what have you, but these are the facts:

*LIRR ROW is probably 50-60' wide throughout that area with some pinch points bringing it down to 40'.
*Bridges are old and barely able to hold the trains, re-engineering the bridges to handle vehicular traffic (and to be able to handle a fire truck for example) would be prohibitively expensive.
*LIRR runs almost entirely through residential neighborhoods. The difference between 1 train ...more
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Jun 8, 16 9:26 AM
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"One solution may be to reroute Tuckahoe Road, as there has been a long-standing effort ON BEHALF OF THE SHINNECOCK HILLS GOLF CLUB to do so." (emphasis added)

At last, the real reason behind the proposed tortuous rerouting has been stated.

A ridiculous proposal that has absolutely nothing to do with easing traffic congestion - - - and everything to do with overweening elitist influence on local government.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 8, 16 8:34 AM
Blinking light experiment failed?

DOH !!!

Is there something wrong with the drinking water at Town Hall?

A blind child could have told us the experiment was sheer folly!

The recent announcement by Mr. Thiele -- that the LIRR East End Shuttle may arise from the ashes of its early myopic demise -- is a step in the right direction.

"Build It And They Will Come!"

Go for it, Shadow Captain . . . pull out the stops . . . on this career-capping accomplishment.

Well ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 8, 16 9:12 AM
build a toll road on the LIRR with access at the highway yard near the end of Sunrise. One way east in the morning, One way west in the pm, with limited exits, Bridgehampton, Amagansett, Montauk.
By beachbar (4), Hampton Bays on Jun 8, 16 9:36 AM
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I have been suggesting a toll road for years
By joe hampton (3461), Hamptons on Jun 8, 16 3:05 PM
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joe, you have lacked the foresight and spatial ability to grasp why such a concept is not feasible. For years.

"Some rich men came and raped the land,
Nobody caught 'em
Put up a bunch of ugly boxes, and Jesus,
people bought 'em"

~ The Eagles, "The Last Resort"
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 8, 16 8:22 PM
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Jun 8, 16 9:44 AM
At least we have a study to prove what we already figured. Its time to stop looking at these short term band-aid solutions and look at a regional, South Fork, solution.
This is going to require time and money and the political willingness to ruffle certain feathers along the bucolic back roads that have become the unofficial turnpikes.

Start by replacing red lights and stop signs with traffic circles wherever possible along Route 39 and 80, Noyack Road, the "Ponds"-Scuttle Hole Road, ...more
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on Jun 8, 16 11:28 AM
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What is the problem? You go to manhattan, boston you have traffic... Just plan your day and stop crying.
Eastern long island has changed, no potato trucks, loads of cabbage, cauliflower. it has all passed, just readjust and live with it.
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Jun 8, 16 1:12 PM
It's not about planning your day. From a traffic standpoint it doesn't affect me at all. However the environmental impact that that many vehicles on the road has does impact all of us.

Also, how are you comparing two major metropolitan cities to the Hamptons? Yes, it has changed for the worse. But nobody has done anything to adapt to the change, unlike a major city.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Jun 8, 16 3:11 PM
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 8, 16 4:22 PM
An independent sampling of eastbound traffic conducted on County Road 39 in Southampton on the morning of May 27, 2016 beginning at 6:30 AM resulted in the following:
Of the 500 vehicles observed, 46 were registered out of state. The most common out of state license plates observed were from Illinois, Virginia, and Oklahoma. Need I say more? How about freeing up our roadways by enforcing immigration laws?
By Jay_Z (11), southampton on Jun 8, 16 8:04 PM
You honestly believe if these drivers were taken away by ICE that they would not be replaced by other workers?
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Jun 8, 16 8:21 PM
In the "no s*** Sherlock category today"...

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 8, 16 8:27 PM
Why would there be "hoped for results" in a study about blinking lights on CR 39? Sounds like there isn't a soul working on it that has any clue. In other words, it's a perfect model for NY municipal projects. Too much corruption to ever make a positive deference
Jun 9, 16 7:22 AM appended by KevinLuss
By KevinLuss (356), SH on Jun 9, 16 7:22 AM
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