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Jul 6, 2016 10:25 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Shinnecock Hills Golf Club President Says Tuckahoe Road Proposal Is A Matter Of Safety

Photo of the original carriage road, which is now Tuckahoe Road. PHOTO COURTESY OF SHINNECOCK HILLS.
Jul 6, 2016 10:32 AM

The president of Shinnecock Hills Golf Club said concerns for the safety of members of the private club—and not a desire for exclusivity—are the reason for a recent push to reroute a portion of Tuckahoe Road that bisects the 259-acre country club.

According to Brett Pickett, in order to play golf at the historic club, players need to cross Tuckahoe Road at least six times, as it divides holes 10, 11, 12 and 13 from the rest of the course.

“Our entire children’s course is on the opposite side of the road,” Mr. Pickett said. “Young children have to cross that road twice. Maintenance workers have to cross it hundreds of times a day. The potential for conflict is just unbelievable.”

Mr. Picket noted that there are approximately 15,000 to 20,000 complete rounds of golf played each year at the club—with each involving six crossings—on top of one to two caddies who accompany each group. He also noted the increased commercial traffic along Tuckahoe Road.

“We watch the near-misses every single day,” Mr. Pickett said. “There are also countless stories over the years of golf balls hitting cars. It’s not a safe road.”

Even though the road is closed down when the club hosts the two-week-long U.S. Open Championship, club officials are proposing to reroute Tuckahoe Road before the competition takes place there again in 2018.

Mr. Pickett called the situation a “massive recreational conflict,” one he said he is very concerned about. There are currently no crosswalks along the stretch of Tuckahoe Road that players use.

“Where I see tragedy inevitably, I try to avoid it,” he said. “Someone’s going to get killed. It’s just going to happen.”

At a June Town Board work session, Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman said the proposal involves rerouting Tuckahoe Road so that it connects to St. Andrews Road. It would also involve extending St. Andrews Road farther west to the light at Tuckahoe Road and County Road 39, specifically for people who want to make left turns onto St. Andrews from County Road 39, and vice versa.

Mr. Pickett said the club will present a complete, detailed proposal in the next month, which would include benefits for the community other than just moving the road. As it stands, the club would pay for all the road work, both removal of the existing pavement and installation of a new road along the edge of the course, which is estimated to cost approximately $5 million.

“Jay’s a pretty tough negotiator,” Mr. Pickett said. “He’s made very clear to us from the beginning that he’d entertain something like this only if it was a win for the entire community. We know we would have to present an overall plan that is beneficial to the entire community.”

After Shinnecock Hills submits a formal proposal, golf course officials would then be invited to a work session where the idea could be discussed publicly, Mr. Schneiderman said in June.

“There’s no desire to try to get some benefit that’s just for our club,” Mr. Pickett said. “The desire is to make our little part of the community safer. It’s a community issue.”

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St. Andrews does not take you access to Sebonac Rd so how is connecting it to St. Andrews helping.
By Hollywood (86), Westhampton Beach on Jul 6, 16 11:17 AM
... "massive recreational conflict" - I like that, pretty funny. No commercial traffic and lower speed limit might help. Never been a problem before - why all of a sudden?
By William Rodney (561), southampton on Jul 6, 16 12:00 PM
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A lot of BS. Hire Boy Scouts to help your members across the road. For 5 million a couple of bridges over the road, a traffic marshall or warning lights.
As for hitting cars with ball, if you raise the fairway or put a burm as National GL did it would make it safe.
Just another elitist group for them selves. Never did identify bloombergs friend, who was that masked man???
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Jul 6, 16 12:01 PM
Children's course? There is a school and a camp at St. Andrews Road. Don't do it.
Build bridges, dig tunnels. At least TRY the bridges and tunnels before this huge upheaval roads and construction and upsetting the community for something the majority don't want. Give $5M to the Tuckahoe Schools. Maybe the idea would be better received if something was given back to the people who live here year-round vs. 6 months out of the year-at best.
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Jul 6, 16 12:08 PM
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Definitely give the five million to Tuckahoe School. It will make up for the taxes that are no longer paid to the school from any of the golf clubs in the district. If you are so concerned with the safety of children, then start with their education, not their golf game.
By Long Island Viking (28), Southampton on Jul 8, 16 9:42 AM
What a laughable article. Jay is a tough negotiator, wink wink. Don't fall for the condescending attitude on display in this "plan". They feel the backlash and have gone back to the old playbook, "it's for the children". Nonsense.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 6, 16 2:15 PM
More BS from the 1%'s. The political correct rich snobs do not want normal people to cast their eyes on their fun and games.
By patriot50 (42), sag harbor on Jul 6, 16 2:18 PM
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Don't do it! Agree with foodwhiner, if members areok with footing the bill for a proposed entire roadway (and all the engineering, grading, drainage, paving, signage, that comes along with that, then save the club members some money and put in a simple underpass or two so that members and carts can cross. Think about putting the "children's" course (that's a new one) and the parking lot on the clubhouse side of the road. There is no "public" benefit here, only a membership wish that seeks to cut ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Jul 6, 16 2:55 PM
Well, I'm convinced. The possibility of the tragic loss of of little children's lives is too great a danger to ignore. We musn't allow this to happen.

Obviously, the Shinnecock Hills Golf Club must be closed.

For the sake of the commonweal (Mr. Pickett having indicated that this is the club membership's fundamental concern), the property should be deeded to the state. A new public park, "The Shinnecock Hills Golf Club Memorial Nature Reserve" can be established thereat, purposed ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 6, 16 3:13 PM
Perhaps there can be query done on the number of injuries/accidents/car-dents?
*Founded in 1891* ;)

But watch out drivers (of vehicles); most of them can really play golf well...I can see them now as they pick-out one their drivers, take aim at a pick-up truck, and use a mulligan as they chuckle to the next hole.
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Jul 6, 16 3:13 PM
This club was founded in 1891. I came to Southampton in 1964. Have never heard of any safety problems before this even from my friends that are members. It's a land grab!
Make crosswalks, caution lights, crossing guards, like at schools. All would be cheaper and get the desired results for less money, if that is truly their reason.
Can't imagine that Bloomberg is all-of-a-sudden concerned for public safety. What's the real issue?
How come no one has brought up golfers crossing Sebonac ...more
By Hamptonsseashell (359), on Jul 6, 16 3:18 PM
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Maybe the golf club along with others should pay more taxes on the land they have rather than get a tax break. #tuckahoeschool
By BrianFinnegan (2), Southampton, New York on Jul 6, 16 3:58 PM
Before any thing is thought about, think about the possibilities of the Hospital going in to the college. Major renovations to the highways and local roads. Don't jump the gun.
Think of all the traffic at the school on st andrews rd. Think about the kids..........
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Jul 6, 16 4:25 PM
So build a little bridge for 100k, but no you want exclusivity for 5 million. We're not all that stupid to believe you Brett. The self important people in this community are taking our beaches, and now our roads pretty discusting.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jul 6, 16 4:46 PM
BRAVO FREAKING SIERRA!!!! Build a bridge, problem solved. It disgust me that this non issue has gotten any traction at all. Go forward with this at the threat of ending your political career here Jay!!!!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 6, 16 5:49 PM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 6, 16 7:33 PM
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Gets my vote for most succinct post on this subject.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 7, 16 6:57 AM
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Please re-phrase Mr. Z!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 7, 16 7:28 AM
FCC approved, but not SHPress approved.

Bull. S***.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 7, 16 10:24 PM
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Schneiderman needs to take a look at St. Andrews Road. He is unfamiliar with this town. St. Andrews curves and goes UNDER the highway under a bridge ( CR 39 crosses over). The curve is BLIND and the road is very narrow. The Montessori nursery school is there (an expanded road would be a great danger to those children,) Cars travel under the bridge going 45 MPH, and then there is the exit for the Greek Orthodox Church with cars exiting into St, Andrews Rd. Building traffic flow there would be a ...more
By esg1192 (9), Southampton on Jul 6, 16 8:44 PM
Well said Mr. Z. if you're referring to the bogus "safety" meme.

Succumb to this, Mr. Jay, and tata to your career in the Hamptons. You are a PUBLIC SERVANT, not a puppet of the few well-heeled part time residents.

They can have a bridge over Tuckahoe Road, or a tunnel underneath it, but it stays where it's always been.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 6, 16 8:59 PM
Yep.

Bull. S***.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 8, 16 11:02 PM
The childrens' course has been developed very recently since The Cub has been allowed to somehow take control of the road that used to connect Tuckahoe to St Andrews .. if ToSH takes its own road back a big traffic problem is solved.
. I love the ideas of crosswalks and signs .. how about a bike lane and sidewalk !!!!
Theres a wonderful image of this road they have bordered off and letting decay .. see the article regarding US Open ..its very prominent
By dave h (193), calverton on Jul 6, 16 9:32 PM
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Rubbish us open money
By Obserever (40), Southnampton on Jul 6, 16 9:53 PM
Lets all embrace a moment of silence for all the poor-rich bastards who have died while crossing the road to whack their little white balls. I wish I could've done more to help.
By Lets go mets (377), Southampton on Jul 6, 16 11:06 PM
Safety is not a concern. How many golfers have been hit by cars? I'm guessing ZERO. Golfers should give way to traffic since they can't be in any kind of rush since they are PLAYING GOLF after all!
By Rich Morey (378), East Hampton on Jul 6, 16 11:07 PM
If they were worried about children, perhaps they should have found a safer place to put their "children's course" which most local kids will never experience. Closing that road would put more cars in front of Tuckahoe School and Montessori School. Let's not put a handful of wealthy golf club kids before the kids of our community!
By lamm (304), Southampton on Jul 6, 16 11:14 PM
Safety the concern?
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Put in a cross-walk or two, traffic lights with pedestrian activation like EH and BH, and be done with it.

"Safety" concern alone?

Oh, posh . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 7, 16 7:26 AM
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I'm pretty sure Jay would give up his career as a public servant in an instant in exchange for kudos (or whatever else) from the richy-rich. $5 million in exchange for that road??? A pittance! How about $50 million?
By beachplum (6), southampton on Jul 7, 16 11:39 AM
How about some things are simply not for sale for no matter how much to anyone, ever.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Jul 7, 16 1:28 PM
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By jediscuba (71), Bayside on Jul 7, 16 11:46 AM
One of my family's favorite things to do is ride our bikes through SGC on that gorgeous part ofTuckahoe Road and make our way over to take a swim in the bay. We are not members, so please do not take this away from us. Bike lanes would be nice.
By old fort lane (2), southampton on Jul 7, 16 4:04 PM
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One of my family's favorite things to do is ride our bikes through SGC on that gorgeous part ofTuckahoe Road and make our way over to take a swim in the bay. We are not members, so please do not take this away from us. Bike lanes would be nice.
By old fort lane (2), southampton on Jul 7, 16 4:04 PM
5 million wouldn't cover the traffic studies!!! Maybe there talking about the 5 million they would spend on reseeding over the old road. Trust me the town would be on the hook for tens of millions of dollars.
By GoldenBoy (351), EastEnd on Jul 7, 16 4:25 PM
Cry me a freakin' river. Build a couple of bridges. Don't want to look at bridges? Build tunnels! It appears the situation has been the same for 125 years; there's no increased danger apparent now. If the club has made changes that are imperiling the members, just undo the changes.

Now how are the politicos who have already made promises to the club going to save face?
By VOS (1241), WHB on Jul 8, 16 3:23 AM
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First Bridgehampton Race Track was taken away (too noisy). Second, the ocean beach access will be taken away (too many undesirables) and now our roads are being taken away ( too dangerous). This entire town does not belong to the year round residents anymore. The wealthy have the money to "buy" anything they want, including every politician who is in charge of our community. We have entrusted our elected officials and they have taken away everything that we love about Southampton. Shame Shame Shame ...more
By Long Island Viking (28), Southampton on Jul 8, 16 9:58 AM
SO VERY TRUE LI VIKING !! SOOO SAD ! Locals seem to be obsolete these days are we are being completely disregarded and driven out of here at alarming rates!

Allow them to pay to change the road and next they will want to change Main street ! If the officials allow this...it will create a snowball effect that will essentially destroy what little is left here for the people who call this area their home.
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jul 8, 16 10:06 AM
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It's a little ironic that this risk has the members of this club so collar poppin' mad in light of the fact that the financiers made all of their money on the selling risk.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Jul 8, 16 11:07 AM
Maybe the golf course could pay a FAIR tax. So people could afford to live in Tuckahoe. This road rerouting issue is ridiculous and I for one am thoroughly disgusted.
By AlleyFernan (1), Southampton, New York on Jul 8, 16 2:37 PM
According to the lawyers, it's only used a few months a year which makes the rate fair despite the fact they own it year round.

So, logically should such not dictate any of us should receive a tax rebate while away from home?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 8, 16 11:08 PM
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The tax rate is not unfair IMO. Most money from taxes goes to the school district. There are no homes with students to attend the schools so it seems reasonable to me that taxes should be on par, pun intended. I would rather see golf courses than more houses.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 11, 16 9:02 PM
Yes lets talk safety, by changing the road they are sending more cars toward children at saint andrews and at the tuckhoe school. The golf course can say whatever they want but we should keep in mind that we residents use the road year around. Golfers have a weather limited period to use the road May thru September. Shinnecock golf course is doing what is good for them, they have no respect for their neighbors or the environment around them.
Just take a drive on Sebonac road and check how ...more
By CSampaio (1), Southampton on Jul 8, 16 6:58 PM
PQ1 great point !! If SHin GC offers 5mil then ToSH should counter 25 mil !! Squeeze because ToSH has an asset that the members want .. force them to insure
By dave h (193), calverton on Jul 8, 16 6:59 PM
Concerned about golfers crossing the road.

S P E E D B U M P S ! ! ! ! !

Easy to install, relatively inexpensive.

Surely the cost could be added to cost of membership in the course club.

Next excuse for granting a selfish desire and eliminating a scenic vista view for all Town residents and visitors and not just club members.

History teaches us that when one class decides it is entitled to more than other classes, the lesser classes turn to rebellion. ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Jul 8, 16 10:37 PM
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I see no evidence of a safety issue on this road. I do, however, see a safety issue at Inlet Road West. The residents in that neighborhood have been asking for a solution for years. The local politicians have placated them by saying they are "looking into it." Doesn't seem equitable, does it?
By Long Island Viking (28), Southampton on Jul 9, 16 1:44 AM
Keep the road open. It could be the only time of the summer that the billionaires have to actually lay eyes on the pitchforked masses from the comfort of that silly patio.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Jul 9, 16 6:39 AM
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It's OUR ROAD AND NOT FOR SALE AT ANY PRICE, the end. Did your assistant read the comments today Jay? Good.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 9, 16 9:14 AM
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The road is there because the Shinecock Nation is the traditional labor force for the Club, which is on land stolen from them. If its now become too dangerous, perhaps the Club Membership should find real estate elsewhere. Sure they could afford it.

How about the Club gets eminent domained and becomes a public course? Clearly, a politician who wanted what's best for the most people would propose this solution.
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Jul 9, 16 1:54 PM
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The Community Preservation Fund is pretty flush. Why not make them an offer?
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Jul 9, 16 6:48 PM
a better use of some CPF monies would be buying Shinnecock East back from the County!!!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 10, 16 7:33 AM
The ToSH owns 6 feet on eac side of the road slso
By dave h (193), calverton on Jul 10, 16 12:03 AM
Yes to bigfresh!
But, then, it would only be a matter of time before the meadowlamers would find a way to try to claim it for themselves. :(
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Jul 10, 16 8:12 AM
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Since you are following this thread closely Jay, how about giving consideration to buying back Shinnecock East, you still have some County Parkman rec connections How about it?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 10, 16 2:31 PM
It kinda makes you want to go out of your way just to use that road !
By 1942sparky (18), Bridgehampton on Jul 11, 16 7:22 PM
PM true indeed.. to prove the necessity of keeping it in place
By dave h (193), calverton on Jul 11, 16 7:48 PM
C O N V O Y ! ! ! Who's in?!?
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Jul 11, 16 10:53 PM
Overlook with parking...Tunnels under the roads, cheaper. Maybe no permit to hold the OPEN???
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Jul 13, 16 11:24 AM
Te Tuckahoe Road and golf course: speedbumps. Chaaper than re-building roads, and working up in Maine where I rent. Do not make them too big so trucks cannot cross. Or put flashing lights there when people are trying to cross safely. How about a green arrow light on Cty Rd. 39.

Priscilla Cunningham
Riverhead, NY
By PriscillaCunningham (1), on Jul 14, 16 1:32 PM
Members of the public will be allowed to air their concerns about a plan to block off and reroute a portion of Tuckahoe Road in Shinnecock Hills at the Southampton Town Board work session scheduled for Thursday, August 4.
By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on Aug 1, 16 4:09 AM
Yes, at 10:00 AM, when the majority of the members of the public will be at work.

PUBLIC REFERENDUM!!! Oh, but the golf club members won't get a chance to vote since they don't LIVE here.
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Aug 1, 16 9:37 AM