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Aug 4, 2016 2:36 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Details Of Tuckahoe Road Reroute Proposal Emerge Amid Community Outcry At Work Session

Shinnecock Hill Golf Club President Brett Pickett speaks at the Southampton Town Board work session on Thursday morning.  DANA SHAW
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Aug 9, 2016 2:19 PM

A proposal to close a quarter-mile section of Tuckahoe Road that now runs through the Shinnecock Hills Golf Club—with the promise of millions of dollars in community benefits—was met with vocal opposition by almost two dozen residents at last week’s Southampton Town Board work session.

At the standing-room-only meeting on August 4, representatives from the club presented the board with a formal proposal which involves rerouting the stretch of Tuckahoe Road that now bisects several holes on the course so that it connects with an extended St. Andrews Road to the west. From that intersection, traffic would proceed to the existing light on Tuckahoe Road and County Road 39 via a new linking roadway that would be built parallel and north of the highway.

The club would pay for all of the work, now estimated to cost about $5 million. That covers the removal of existing pavement, the installation of a new road and the creation of a walking trail along the edge of the golf course. Under the plan, the new road would then be donated to the town, and the stretch of Tuckahoe Road running through the golf course would either be closed to traffic during the summer or removed entirely.

Club officials said the new route would still allow residents to enjoy views of the property and open spaces; one of the concerns raised by opponents is the potential loss of a unique view of one of the world’s greatest golf courses from Tuckahoe Road.

Shinnecock Hills President Brett Pickett said that if the town signs off on the proposal, his not-for-profit club would also commit to raising $6 million, money that would be put in a community investment fund and tapped by the Town Board to finance various town projects. Also, he said the club would commit to raising another $1 million that would go directly to the Tuckahoe School District.

As he did during a prior interview, Mr. Pickett cited safety concerns in his first formal presentation to the Town Board as the main motivation to reroute Tuckahoe Road. He noted that golfers need to cross the road at least six times for every round played as it divides holes 10, 11, 12 and 13 from the rest of the course. On a peak season afternoon, as many as 400 cars use the road and pass through the club, which hosts approximately 15,000 rounds of golf per year, he said.

“We have a very serious safety problem,” Mr. Pickett said in his proposal. “We’re trying to be preventative.”

Opponents argue that the plan would restrict their views of the vistas, increase commercial traffic on other roads, require the removal of vegetation, disrupt wildlife, and cause more back-ups and accidents along St. Andrews Road.

Southampton Town Highway Superintendent Alex Gregor said the idea, which would straighten out Tuckahoe Road, could prompt more drivers to speed, putting pedestrians and native wildlife at risk.

“Sometimes the plan you think will work has unintended consequences,” he said. “We understand there’s problems, but we don’t want to move the problem somewhere else. Just looking at something on paper isn’t always a cure.”

Residents who spoke out against the proposal offered several potential alternatives to closing off and rerouting the road, such as the installation of crosswalks and signs, a reduction of the speed limit, and new lighting. They also suggested that the club install an underpass for golfers so they can avoid driving on Tuckahoe Road.

The Reverend Constantine Lazarakis of the Dormition of the Virgin Mary Greek Orthodox Church of the Hamptons in Shinnecock Hills—not far from the club, along St. Andrews Road—encouraged both sides to avoid turning the conversation into a “litigious, partisan, hateful” argument. He also said he remains hopeful that golf course officials remain open to other possibilities.

“We want to encourage openness and creativity,” the Rev. Lazarakis said. “We should avoid looking at each other as adversaries and look for a creative solution. We have to be willing to compromise.”

Other speakers were not so neutral.

Joseph Gazza, who built the nearby Southampton Montessori School in 1981 after purchasing 3.8 acres from the club, said the suggested reroute would end up endangering the lives of his young students as more vehicles would be driving on St. Andrews Road. He also said that if the change is permitted, school officials would have to replace the school’s quaint white picket fence with a chain-link version in order to better protect the school’s estimated 50 pre-k, kindergarten and first grade students.

“You’re just putting the school in the crosshairs of the traffic,” Mr. Gazza said. “If you take away the beauty and the quiet and the safety, I don’t know if the school could operate under those conditions.”

Shinnecock Nation Cultural Resource Director Josephine Smith voiced her concern that club officials only want to keep her people off the golf course.

“This golf course is Shinnecock land,” Ms. Smith said. “This isn’t just your playground. That golf course was built by my ancestors. Our people are buried there. We still use that road to go to areas where our people have always been. This is important to us. This is the land that was stolen from us.”

Richard Casabianca of Hampton Bays said the concerns of golf course officials can be addressed with the addition of warning signs, including those geared toward drivers and those riding on golf carts, along Tuckahoe Road.

“It’s 50 bucks, not $5 million—keep it simple,” he said. “This is a solution in search of a problem that doesn’t exist. I’m pissed. This is more like a PR session and unveiling—I resent that. Just knock it off. Leave it alone.”

After last week’s work session, Mr. Pickett said he thought the meeting was as expected and that he respects the opinions of residents. He also said club officials would be sitting down with Town Board members to discuss concerns raised at last week’s meeting.

Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman said it was important for him to “solve this problem without creating another one,” adding that he intends to wait and see how club officials will address the concerns of residents.

Shinnecock Hills was selected by the United States Golf Association to host the U.S. Open in June 2018, and also has agreed to host it again in 2026.

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Rabble. Better access for a future hospital would definitely be needed.
By Mouthampton (439), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 2:40 PM
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By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 14, 16 6:33 AM
Those pastel golfers were collar poppin' mad! If you don't give them what they want, why, they are going to....not let you borrow their clotted cream.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 4, 16 2:45 PM
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Were there more pink collars, or blue collars?
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 3:00 PM
Definitely more blue, but the pinks had smugness going for them.
By Dafsgirl (64), Southampton on Aug 5, 16 11:58 AM
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It would be helpful if 27East showed readers a map of the proposed re-route. The explanations merely refer to St. Andrews Road being "extended" to meet Tuckahoe Road. That means there will be no way to travel north on either St. Andrews or Tuckahoe. They'll both just loop you back to where you came from. If you take away Tuckahoe Road as a means of travel into the North Sea area, you'll only overload traffic on to Shrubland Road and Tuckahoe Lane... and you'll need a new traffic light for at least ...more
By Liman (30), Montauk on Aug 4, 16 3:12 PM
I would also add increased traffic at Maggee Street and at the school there. We have to protect those children too.
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 8:43 PM
OUR ROAD, yes OUR ROAD is not for sale Jay!!! It's preposterous that this idiotic idea has gotten this far. How about having the next public hearing in the evening so the working community may attend and be heard. The members of Shinnecok can spend their 5 million on pedestrian underpasses! Or just look both ways before crossing the street Skippy and Muffy.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 4, 16 3:40 PM
How bout we build a wall around the course so they don't have to see us lesser folk at all? I'd say honk often & loud when driving by Shinnecock if you like Tuckahoe Road!! And bigfresh - it's Biff and Muffy... Muffy killed Skippy with a 9 iron when she found out he'd exhausted his trust fund.
By G (342), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 3:46 PM
If club members were completely honest, they would acknowledge that they,"the privileged," are offended by the sight of "the great unwashed" among us. SUVs and pickup trucks seem to be especially unwelcome. They hide their disdain in terms of safety, although safety has yet to be an issue. This is the same class warfare that is going on with the Village beach. They believe they can use their money to bully those who have less. Let's hope that our officials remember that we vote here.
By Grandmom (8), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 3:51 PM
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Absolutely infuriating that the Town would whore itself for the "commitment" to try and raise $6 million. Why can't Jay get it through his head that this is a made up PROBLEM that does not need a solution. Why are we even discussing this??!!
for heaven's sake Town Board. Please listen to the VOTERS who elected you. Enough already.
By GlassHouses (64), anywhere on Aug 4, 16 3:54 PM
How about they take those millions of dollars and develop a plan to build underpasses to move their golfers around? It works beautifully at Jones beach to gets millions of people across four lanes of highway without difficulty.
By East End 2 (151), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 3:55 PM
Surely a little country road is not too much of a challenge to make things safer for their golf carts. Then come back ask for community support.
By East End 2 (151), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 3:58 PM
Great idea!!!! Less expensive and controversial
By AL (83), southampton on Aug 6, 16 7:05 PM
Does Jay never tire of carrying the water for the Shinnecock Golf Club - - - and is the club's membership actually so contemptuous of its less affluent neighbors that it thinks we will sell our birthright for chump change?

Want to buy the road, boyos? OK. Have a whip-round among your members and come up with $1.5 billion. We'll consider your proposal.

This "discussion" should never have begun.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 4, 16 3:56 PM
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By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 4:40 PM
How is $750,000 (membership) x 250 (members)= $187,500,000 not-for-profit?
Besides grounds keeping, and salaries, etc... where does the money go?
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 4:03 PM
Deleted for a link...google "3D Straddling Bus"
I know it's a stretch to say the least, but, visualize it on the LIRR tracks from HB to Montauk. Just thought it was cool. :)
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Aug 5, 16 8:58 AM
can you pass the grey poupon???
By xtiego (698), bridgehampton on Aug 4, 16 4:08 PM
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How will members access the club? Putting a lot of traffic on St Andrews and other roads. 15,000 rounds, not private, for a price you can play also...
Also mentions maybe the road may close? ONLY FOR MEMBERS...
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 4:33 PM
How about a resounding NO! From some of our Town Board members? Jay is supervisor, not a freaking dictator!! Speak up people, never forget that you work for us.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 4, 16 4:37 PM
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Again an entire year round population whose hard earned monies, pay the taxes for this road, are held hostage to the"summer people". First it was no turning at this traffic light and now it's no use of the road. When will enough be enough. If we don't band together in tangible ways, to let our voices be heard, we will loose. Definitely an evening town board meeting and maybe getting together ourselves to plan other things we could do to get this information out. Not everyone reads the paper and ...more
By photo friend (31), southampton on Aug 4, 16 5:14 PM
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Again an entire year round population whose hard earned monies, pay the taxes for this road, are held hostage to the"summer people". First it was no turning at this traffic light and now it's no use of the road. When will enough be enough. If we don't band together in tangible ways, to let our voices be heard, we will loose. Definitely an evening town board meeting and maybe getting together ourselves to plan other things we could do to get this information out. Not everyone reads the paper and ...more
By photo friend (31), southampton on Aug 4, 16 5:15 PM
GROSS
By Lets go mets (377), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 5:54 PM
Let's get real. There is no safety issues here. The only time someone ever got hurt was when some drunk guy froze to death in the course's parking lot in the middle of a snowstorm.

This is a made up problem for rich people to further do whatever they want in this town. Unfortunately Jay has never seen a road change that he didn't like. But Jay wake up - just because they want it doesn't mean that they should get it. And how dare they try to buy the town's approval. Town Board. If ...more
By beans (10), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 6:42 PM
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"Reroute"?

More like "SELLOUT".
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 4, 16 7:15 PM
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Can the Shinnecock ever take part in a public discussion without stating that their land was stolen?

I am NOT saying that it did not happen. It probably did frankly, but we hear it so much it is starting to just become noise.
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Aug 4, 16 7:26 PM
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I suggest we pay ever more careful attention to their "noise" and its warning. The best of what's left from what was stolen from them will next be stolen from the locals if people don't wise up and make "noise" real fast.
What is this latest stunt brought to us by Schneiderman and Bloomberg if not an attempt to "steal" "our" land?
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Aug 7, 16 7:46 AM
Like Liman above, I would really like to see an overlay on a map of what is being proposed here. I just can't quite figure it out from the description.
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Aug 4, 16 8:00 PM
Watch the video of Shinnecock Nation Cultural Resource Director Josephine Smith highlighting her personal heritage and you can see the proposed land grab rendering behind her right shoulder.
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 8:28 PM
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Thanks for the info. I did look. Too small to really see it. The map should have been published with this article.
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Aug 5, 16 5:46 PM
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to bird:

Here's a link to a Press article from April 20 that presents the Tuckahoe Road giveaway as a "traffic improvement" with only a tangential mention of the Shinnecock Golf Club's vested (and avid) interest. There's a large-scale photo of a map of the proposed rerouting accompanying the article that may be what you are looking for.

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/General-Interest-Southampton/477190/If-Blinking-Light-Program-Is-Successful-County-Road-39-Could-Have-New-Underpass
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 5, 16 7:30 PM
Thanks. Much better. Should be part of each article on this topic.
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Aug 6, 16 12:05 PM
The Town has $40 Million surplus or more in the bank?Why would it need the $6 Million for? The One Million for Tuckahoe is only going to go so far and then what?

The Town Board has to take a look at the broader traffic nighmare in the Town before addressing and prioritizing its time and resources on this non-issue. It should retain all its road assets and not do any special cut outs for anyone. I believe that by solving the broader problem the pressures on this road will decline correspondingly. ...more
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 8:39 PM
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The rich are concerned about crossing a road in a golf cart, yet the poor walk in the grass along Route 39 because there is no walkway. On top of that they stand at a bus stop on the side of a highway. How can a bus stop be placed on the shoulder of a highway? People walk on a donkey path through the grass every day, dangerously close to speeding cars. Mothers stand with babies in strollers at a bus stop on the side of a highway of cars doing 55mph. Yet the golfers can't have cars drive through ...more
By deelove (152), Bridgehampton on Aug 4, 16 10:12 PM
Perhaps "We" have a new definition of "gilded cage" on our hands?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 5, 16 9:10 PM
I mean, at least they're not trying to hide the fact that they're straight up buying the road. Here have all this money, the road is closed, cool? I can appreciate the honesty at least lol
By Brandon Quinn (191), Hampton Bays on Aug 5, 16 5:45 AM
Since the road in question belongs to the TOWN, how can a bribe paid to TUCKAHOE school be a benefit to the entire TOWN? Give it up Jay, just tell the members to go packing, there is no safety issue here.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 5, 16 7:58 AM
Mr. Pickett, can you please let us know how many accidents involving a golfer and motorist on this road have occurred in the last 30 years or even the last 5 years. I am a golfer also and play on courses that you have to cross a road. It's common sense to STOP, LOOK and LISTEN before crossing the road. Something I have taught my children in there early years. If you are so concerned about your members then build a bridge or underpass with your 6 million dollars and leave the tax payers road alone.
By pcone (28), hampton bays on Aug 5, 16 8:32 AM
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Shouldn't the members, out of the goodness of their own hearts and out of appreciation for the community that houses their golf course be raising this money without anything in return?

Shinnecock Hills President Brett Pickett said as an additional benefit to the community, if the plan was approved, the not-for-profit club would commit to raise $6 million for a community investment fund to finance projects in the town—allocated at the discretion of the Town Board. Also, he said the ...more
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Aug 5, 16 10:19 AM
Mr. Pickett "appreciates and respects the passion of the community." Does he now? What condescending b.s.

Next breath: He will be sitting down with the Town Board to discuss citizens' concerns. Really? He will be doing that? How generous! How tolerant and kind!

If Mr. Pickett is so very understanding he will understand that everyone understands this selfish attempt at a land grab for what it is. He will then understand some more that the smartest thing to do would be to drop ...more
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Aug 5, 16 10:36 AM
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If you look at Google Maps, it seems to me that there is plenty of room to build two cart/pedestrian culverts beneath Tuckahoe Road where the cart paths currently exist without having to disturb the golf course at all. Moreover, a third culvert could be installed down by the staff parking lot to allow for the children to cross under the road to access their little course. All of this could be done for peanuts compared to the major public works project proposed by the club to solve the non-existent ...more
By GlassHouses (64), anywhere on Aug 5, 16 10:45 AM
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ToSH should take back the road that coonects Tuckahoe to St Andrews ..
How has golf course been allowed to acquire it ??
It would alleviate club's issues. . Well theyve built themsrlves into a contradiction with that kiddie course ..
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hope also that IRS gets their fair share of revenue from the 15000 rounds. . Thats possibly more than 4Million in rev ...
They cant cry no income to irs and high volume to town
By dave h (193), calverton on Aug 5, 16 11:20 AM
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The road is public domain and has been before the golf course existed. Proactive safety is not sufficient evidence for action - never has been .This is a solution for a few at the expense of the many.
By lo-cal (78), southampton on Aug 5, 16 11:38 AM
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Two things. First, the comment at the meeting from the golf "professor emeritus," whatever that means, who said he was only concerned about the safety of the people driving through the golf course, and how some little child could be killed by a flying golf ball if that dangerous road isn't closed. Such a thoughtful man. Please, we've survived for over 100 years without that happening, I'm thinking it's not a big issue.

Second, their generous offer to give Tuckahoe School $1M. Let's not ...more
By Dafsgirl (64), Southampton on Aug 5, 16 12:16 PM
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What a work!? The club SCREWS the local kids with a fraudulent tax scheme, allowed only because they are connected. Then claims they want to protect THEIR kids and as a sweetener, they want to kick down a paltry $1m to help the kids THEY screwed?

The only thing Jay, the sellout Schniederman should be meeting with those crooks about is how they are going to follow the IRS regulations regarding the taxation of property at it's highest valued use.

The locals are getting hammered ...more
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 5, 16 1:15 PM
Who the fook is this Pickett tool paying off to get to sit in with the Town Board to discuss OUR input??!! Bad business people.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 5, 16 4:50 PM
Apparently they bought and paid for jay and got him elected. Next we'll close the road by the Bathing Corp and the Meadow club. Soon locals will be limited to Flying Point and Hampton Bays
By hamptonsnrcit (47), sag harbor on Aug 5, 16 8:55 PM
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Didn't like him in the elections, hate him now.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Aug 5, 16 9:28 PM
And, the noise on St. Andrews Road for the adjacent homeowners will be unbearable. Already, the St Andrews community is burdened with traffic noise from CR 39 and that "bridge" which resonates. St. Andrews Road will be a shortcut and there will be more and more noise.

Will the Club build a noise wall and install plantings to protect property values? Will it do something about the CR 39 highway noise?

Further, we need to see the plan published. Why isn't it available?
By JohnSmith (25), Johnson City, Tennessee on Aug 6, 16 12:42 AM
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By JohnSmith (25), Johnson City, Tennessee on Aug 6, 16 12:43 AM
Why would you guys be against accommodating an organization that brings tens of millions of dollars in tourism and jobs especially when they want to pay for Plus make a contribution for community benefit?

Don't just say no to everything.
By Summer Resident (251), Southampton N.Y. on Aug 6, 16 2:10 AM
No tourism dollars generated, it's a PRIVATE club, tourists can not play the course. Bribing the Town Board with some monies to the general slush fund is not a community benefit. The real issue here is that the Supervisor seems to be bending over for the Club , not backwards either. Does anyone know the legal steps that need to be taken for the town to sell a TOWN OWNED ROAD to a privae organization? Simple majority, super majority, public referendum?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 6, 16 7:55 AM
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Shocker. ''Summer Resident'' is in favor of closing the road.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 6, 16 3:25 PM
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"Tens of millions?" Please show us the financials for that one and then tell us the value of jobs for a couple of months for a dozen caddies, some grass cutters and a handful of restaurant staff. Right now that has zero effect on my life, but closing that road will.

It's MY road and it's not for sale!
By VOS (1241), WHB on Aug 6, 16 2:42 AM
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They likely bring in some workers on a visa to work in the summer. Sebonack has a big apartment building I doubt its filled with "locals". The schools get no income from their big events and they underpay their taxes. The TOS legal team is trying to block the districts FOI request on Golf Courses business.
By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on Aug 16, 16 3:58 PM
As a not for profit all of the Shinnecock Clubs's tax filings are publicly available on the internet. Go look. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/

Go check them out. Really interesting. According to them the total value of their land and buildings in 2014 was $ 473,000. You can't buy a shack in this area for that much money yet hundreds of acres, a giant clubhouse, other buildings and all those other improvement are worth so little? Want to rip off communities? Start a ...more
By beans (10), Southampton on Aug 6, 16 8:43 AM
Do as they did at the Black Course in Bethpage; put tunnels under the road for golfers
By Mike Valenze (1), southampton on Aug 6, 16 1:20 PM
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By knitter (1941), Southampton on Aug 6, 16 1:43 PM
Above, more good suggestions from folks with brains.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Aug 6, 16 6:14 PM
Raise the fairways so they are higher than the cars. Put a burm so the duffers don't hit anyone.
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Aug 6, 16 1:43 PM
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The concept plan provided by the Town (referenced above) doesn't show the freshwater wetlands just to the east.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Aug 6, 16 4:44 PM
When driving back from the Ocean to Shinnecock Hills, my family often enjoys going out of our way to take Tuckahoe to see the stunning vistas of Shinnecock, the National and its iconic windmill, and the Peconic Bay on the horizon. I understand the concerns of the Club, but I would not want to lose that view and public access.
By Richierich (6), Shinnecock on Aug 7, 16 8:55 AM
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Just want to say thank you to those who went to meeting.
By jams (129), hampton bays on Aug 7, 16 12:05 PM
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Great insight from Beans ... 493K for huge club house, pro shoppe and all those maintenance buildings ?? Ha imagine if this brought on an irs audit
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How does sH Gokf vlub feel about another road voming to their only non road-ed Perimeters ??
By dave h (193), calverton on Aug 7, 16 10:55 PM
I live on the north side of the golf course and use Tuckahoe road often.People do fly on that windy road and it is dangerous. Also hitting golf balls across the road is not good. The residents of the area know how difficult it is to get in and out of the neighborhood. My solution would be to build the alternative road. It would give us access via St Andrews and also off 27. Also keep Tuckahoe road open but install speed bumps at the golf crossings along with a flashing warning lights.The traveler ...more
By Tuckahoe Ted (53), southampton on Aug 8, 16 9:21 AM
Right, hitting golf balls across a public road is not good. Therefore, the Club should put up berms and nets so that their game does not endanger the public. Their logic and sales pitch is "We are endangering you with our play, so sell us your road and let us build you a new one that will cause you more problems than you have now and that will be good for you."

Some people some of the time "fly" on all roads, windy and otherwise. What else is new? Let the club ask for increased police ...more
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Aug 8, 16 9:59 AM
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Tuckahoe Ted why is SH Golf Course so quiet and seemingly nonchalant about letting new road destroy the best & most private hole on their course ??
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Btw & fwiw Ted ... that very road that you speak of already existed... It connected Tuckahoe Road to st. Andrews below the 10th hole. What is Shinnecock been allowed to steal that road and barricade it so that it falls apart into disrepair?
By dave h (193), calverton on Aug 8, 16 7:30 PM
Dave H you are right . I use to be able to access my neighborhood off Sebonac via St Andrews off 27A. Straight there. No lights till Shinnecock closed off the access road 10 or so years ago.Why? Who knows but they did. My point is that 40 years ago when I moved here the traffic was not an issue. Today it is a hardship just getting in and out of the neighborhood. The only outlets to the village is Tuckahoe Rd and the backed up Magee St. outlet. More so when Tuckahoe school is in session.
I would ...more
By Tuckahoe Ted (53), southampton on Aug 8, 16 9:38 PM
TY my neighbor.
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I think Shinnecock judt stole thst road. Did some in town hustling and got the indide ok to bisrd it up, let the road rot and we won't say a thing fir 15byears when we can use legalisticiisms to make it go away
By dave h (193), calverton on Aug 8, 16 10:58 PM
You will not change the golf club LD kind by suggesting that local school kids will be harmed.

They paid a local attorney big bucks to harm local school children. As of 2014 the Shinnecock Golf Club was taxed on property value of $473,000. Less than all of us. Let that soak in for a moment.

When they say "it's for the kids" it's because they think you're dumb enough to buy it.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 9, 16 1:30 AM
You will not change the golf club LD kind by suggesting that local school kids will be harmed.

They paid a local attorney big bucks to harm local school children. As of 2014 the Shinnecock Golf Club was taxed on property value of $473,000. Less than all of us. Let that soak in for a moment.

When they say "it's for the kids" it's because they think you're dumb enough to buy it.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 9, 16 1:30 AM
soon, Schniederman will be a member of Shinnecock Hills....then watch what happens
By scalloper (17), quogue on Aug 10, 16 11:44 PM
They could build a bridge over the road or create a tunnel like bypass under the road. Like the walking paths in Central Park. All for much less money and achieve safe passage across the road. IF that is their true objective.
One has to wonder what is their true objective.
By wdh212 (1), Southampton on Aug 13, 16 11:28 AM
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Indeed.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Aug 13, 16 12:35 PM
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By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Aug 13, 16 12:35 PM
This is really sick…this is a clear messages that MONEY talk….politicans are elected to serve the 99% not the 1% ..when I they join to get that? Are they going to KEEP selling themselves…for per$onal gain??? WHEN IS ENOUGH?????? how many deaths do they ned?
By Mate (55), Southampton on Aug 17, 16 3:06 PM
I just started an online and paper petition. Please show your opposition. Thanks.



ipetitions.com/petition/tuckahoe-road
By forget me not (2), southampton on Aug 24, 16 7:22 AM
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GREAT to see a petition has been established against rerouting Tuckahoe Road !!!
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Aug 24, 16 1:51 PM
8/28/16

Please Keep Tuckahoe Road Public:

Some comments in the 'discussion thread' make sense to me. I cite three below:

1. Needed additional signs could be posted for the safety of golfers and their vehicles.

2. Safety of young Montessori school children from increased traffic due to the proposed detour must be ensured.

3. Is the detour essential to make provision for anticipated increased (?) health Center traffic to Southampton Campus ?.

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By RadhAchuthan (1), on Aug 28, 16 4:20 PM