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Nov 30, 2016 10:49 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

A Private Meeting To Discuss A Proposed Tuckahoe Road Reroute Is Canceled As 'Premature'

Tuckahoe Road heading south through Shinnecock Hills Golf Club.  DANA SHAW
Nov 30, 2016 10:58 AM

A private meeting that had been scheduled for Friday to discuss plans for a portion of Tuckahoe Road that runs through the Shinnecock Hills Golf Club has been canceled, with at least one potential participant labeling it “premature.”

Those invited to attend the private meeting with Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman at Town Hall were Shinnecock Hills Golf Club President Brett Pickett; former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who is a high-profile member of the club; and members of the Shinnecock Indian Nation, Tuckahoe School Board, Southampton Hospital and other town officials. Mr. Schneiderman said Town Highway Superintendent Alex Gregor, who would be a key decision-maker on any road change approval, was invited to attend but did not respond to that request.

Shinnecock Hills officials, led by Mr. Pickett and Mr. Bloomberg, have pitched a plan to the town: The club would fund an estimated $5 million rerouting of Tuckahoe Road, which bisects the historic golf course. That section of road would be abandoned, and Tuckahoe Road would be rerouted alongside the golf course instead of through it. The new road then would be donated to the town road system, and the abandoned stretch of road would either be closed to traffic during the summer or removed entirely. The club added other financial incentives to the town as part of the offer.

According to Mr. Schneiderman, the meeting was set up in September as a follow-up to a previous meeting held between Mr. Schneiderman, Mr. Bloomberg and Mr. Pickett, in order to listen to other “stakeholders” in the proposed reroute of the road.

The meeting, scheduled for Friday, was canceled after concerns were raised by Southampton Hospital officials that it was too soon to discuss the road’s future. The hospital is seen as a key player, since a planned relocation to the nearby Stony Brook Southampton campus will make traffic patterns a topic of discussion, with ambulance access to the campus being key.

According to Mr. Pickett, he was invited to the meeting by the town as an interested party, not as a petitioner for that proposal. “We’re, of course, interested in hearing what the hospital’s interests are and how that might relate to a community solution for Tuckahoe Road,” he said.

According to Southampton Hospital Director of Marketing and Public Affairs Marsha Kenny, hospital officials felt it was premature for them to get involved in Tuckahoe Road reroute discussions until a partnership agreement with Stony Brook University Hospital is finalized early next year. As part of the collaboration, Stony Brook could allow Southampton to build a new hospital on the Southampton campus, which would replace the current facility in Southampton Village, whose oldest section was built in 1930.

“We just have a lot going on right now—the focus is on the Stony Brook merger,” Ms. Kenny said. “ I think the hospital will look forward to having a discussion about this in the future. Our involvement in discussions at this point in time is premature.”

Mr. Schneiderman made the decision to cancel the meeting on Tuesday, after hospital officials advised the town that they would not be attending. He noted that the meeting was set up several months ago, before a decision to halt proposed reroute discussions was made. “I’m not sure what the point of the meeting would be,” the supervisor said. “I really think that everything is on hold until we know what the hospital is doing. Also, if the highway superintendent isn’t going to entertain any rerouting, that’s the end of the story as far as I’m concerned. He hadn’t confirmed that he would attend.”

Mr. Schneiderman said that due to community opposition to the golf club’s original plan and the uncertainty of the hospital’s needs, he decided there was not anything to discuss.

“There is some indication that planning that hospital, in building it, there may have to be some changes to that intersection,” he said, referring to where Tuckahoe Road meets County Road 39. “[The hospital] has already raised the concerns about the ambulances and railroad tracks. Until we have a clearer sense, which may not be for quite some time, or a clearly revised proposal from the club, I don’t know what we’d be meeting about.”

Tuckahoe Road will be closed for a portion of June 2018 for the U.S. Open Championship at Shinnecock Hills.

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Don't do it! We don't want to lose this vista just because the golf course wants it. Maidstone, National, Southampton, and others have roads going through their courses as well. There are many ways to address the traffic, speed, and access for pedestrians that don't involve taking the road away from the public. Please, just drop this idea, the views across that hilltop roadway are too precious to lose to some private needs of a golf club, who while claiming safety issues (but offering no alternatives), ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Nov 30, 16 11:36 AM
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Thank you Mr. Gregor, once again.

PS -- A good time also to recall Mr. Gregor's attempt to add the honorific "Sister Jackie's Way" to Rose Hill Road, where Sister Wlash was mowed down and left to die on the side of the road on July 9, 2012, well over four years ago.

Will the new SHT Town Chief of Police step up here, and find out the status of this investigation, and the whereabouts of the "alleged" driver? Releasing all of ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Nov 30, 16 12:35 PM
Correction -- "Sister Walsh"
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Nov 30, 16 12:36 PM
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By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Nov 30, 16 1:00 PM
Jay's Folly, they still won't let you join...
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Nov 30, 16 1:47 PM
He doesn't want to play golf. He might, however, want to run for Congress. For that "players" and their money would be so helpful.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Nov 30, 16 3:41 PM
I don't think he is the kind that play golf …he is the kind that will play play music and be happy and make people happy…
By Mate (55), Southampton on Dec 2, 16 3:22 PM
As is obvious from the virtually universal opinion expressed by residents, Tuckahoe Rd. MUST remain public. The hospital (with its alleged "access" needs) has simply gotten on board as the club's accomplice (for private reason$) in its continuing propaganda effort to validate this unconscionable land-grab.

It's time to lance this ugly, corrupt boil. In Jay's next conversation with the club officials, he must tell them that the unalterable, FINAL answer is "No", and that, further, he ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 30, 16 1:57 PM
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Bully for you HH.
One additional fact: the golf course is a not-for-profit entity . . . Just like the NFL and the hospital also is not-for-profit . . . And yes, our government is not-for-profit . . . But is it for sale?
By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on Dec 2, 16 11:52 PM
WTF part of NO was not understood the first time?
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Nov 30, 16 3:01 PM
Jay, they backed ath and hillary and lost...
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Nov 30, 16 4:05 PM
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Private meetings on public property? That is total bs all meetings need to be public period.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Nov 30, 16 10:29 PM
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This is absolutely ridiculous ,,,,,,
Why should we suffer to promote the needs of a private enterprise.
I use this roadway on a regular basis and don't want to give up and roll over like a dead fish.
If you want to close anything ... close the golf course, not the road.
By jediscuba (71), Suthampton on Dec 1, 16 11:38 AM
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Seems to me that a lot of posters here are using this meeting as an occasion to beat up on Jay Schneiderman, without any basis. Consider: This so-called private meeting was to include members of the Shinnecock Nation, the Tuckahoe School Board, the Southampton Hospital administration and the town government. That's not a private meeting, not by any stretch of the imagination.

Consider also: The meeting was scheduled back in September, and a great deal has happened since then.

Consider ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Dec 1, 16 9:54 PM
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So, you think Jays behavior to date as Supervisor is acceptable? And you accuse me of holding a party line? Hah!
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 2, 16 7:18 AM
George, you ought to inquire of the Highway Sup as to whether or not he replied to the invite. Then you can ask the Supervisor why his office never responded to the Highway Sup's request for an agenda of the meeting.

If you knew the Highway Sup, you'd know as most in Town do that he isn't a sulker and he isn't afraid to voice his opposition to plans which do not truly benefit the Town's taxpayers (the blue collar workers not the uber rich).

Evidently there is an extreme lack of ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Dec 2, 16 5:12 PM
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No, NTiger I don't know the Highway Sup, apparently not as well as you do, but if he really responded to this meeting invitation with a request for an agenda, and if that request really wasn't met, then why should I have to inquire? Why doesn't Alex Gregor say so himself? Why does he need a surrogate like you? Not that you aren't a fine surrogate, but why doesn't he speak for himself?

He's sulking, that's why. Your "most in Town" know full well that communication between Supervisor ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Dec 3, 16 11:46 AM
Obviously you do not know hm George. If you did you would understand he doesn't sulk. And perhaps if Anna hadn't tried to remove the Highway Sup's powers and authority before he was even sworn in there might have been more cooperation between the two, although given her performance as a mouthpiece for the rich and famous and Gregor's as a voice for the blue collar taxpayer the likelihood of their reaching agreement was slim to none. As for Gregor and Jay well rumor has it they are meeting Tuesday.

I ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Dec 5, 16 3:41 PM
I don't accuse you of anything, Draggerman, except being reliably negative on local matters. Your 520 posts tell the story much better than I can.

For one thing, you're making a big jump from the subject of this story to the wider topic of "Jay's behavior to date as Supervisor," but that's alright.

Yes, I do think Jay Schneiderman has done a very good job as Supervisor. Why don't you tell us exactly what your complaints with his performance are? Be specific and be complete. ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Dec 2, 16 9:51 AM
Lets start his budget, or spending plan... Adding wording into the longevity bonus that allows him, who's only been in town hall a year, to get one is pretty comical. If it was coming from county budgets, I could understand. But its town money. He doesn't have "Longevity" working for Southampton. If this was the private sector, it wouldn't happen.

The inept way in which he allowed the CSEA to walk all over him comes to mind.

"Opening" a new town park, only to close it the next ...more
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 2, 16 5:10 PM
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Draggerman, you say Jay Schneiderman "doesn't have 'Longevity' working for Southampton." What about twelve years as County Legislator representing a district of which Southampton is the largest component by population? That's not working for Southampton? Think again.

You speak of "the inept way in which he allowed the CSEA to walk all over him." Again, and I don't think it's unreasonable, I have to ask you to be specific. What exactly are your complaints with the latest CSEA agreement?

About ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Dec 3, 16 3:43 PM

1. Let Suffolk County pay the bonus - not Southampton. It is BS and you know it.
2. The Park Opening was a disgrace. They could have waited until next year. they have no monies in the 2017 to operate and maintain it. It was all smoke and mirrors .
3. The CSEA "bargaining" agreement settlement was another disgrace. It violates every principle of collective bargaining - labor relations 101.
4. The jury is still out on the Golf Course.

By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Dec 3, 16 5:28 PM
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George, he might have been "representing Southampton" in County Legislature, but wasn't he representing the entire East End? By your Liberal Logic, Easthampton and Shelter Island should chip in, no?

You know, deep down, that that park was opened prematurely, a political folly to help ATH get a photo op west of the Canal. I hate to tell you, the people of Hampton Bays are on to your team. Such a shame, Julie is a very intelligent person. I would have hoped that she would have been more ...more
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 4, 16 2:40 PM
This is the closest I've ever felt to HighHat. It must be the Trump effect bringing us all closer together.

There is hope for a new beginning!

BTW has anyone here ever gotten an acknowledgment, much less an answer from a writing an email to Schneiderman, or is it just me?
By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on Dec 2, 16 10:58 PM
The fact that Jay has even met with the weasels attempting to purchase OUR PROPERTY for their personal gain is enough to send his sorry a** packing next election!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 3, 16 6:35 PM
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Using the Shinnecock Golf Club's logic, shouldn't Millstone also be closed?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 3, 16 6:36 PM
Shinnecock Hills GC has something WE ALL NEED: The necessary realestate to adequately widen Sunrise Highway. Bartering for this would absolutely make driving east of the canal a safer proposition.
Go ahead, Jay. Make something happen.
By Bruce Doscher (9), Hampton Bays on Dec 4, 16 7:10 PM
Jay Schneiderman made a mistake by even entertaining a road transfer. Why the hell would the hospital or the Shinnecocks be at the meeting? The Shinnecocks pay no taxes, and the hospital is a non profit. Please explain. Of course Turkey burger supports this dems do no wrong.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Dec 4, 16 9:16 PM
Draggerman, you do a better job of speaking for yourself than zero-substance HB Proud does of speaking for you, but really, you don't do that great a job, either.

I get it about the other towns on the longevity payment, but in my take, it's not for them to chip in on Southampton's payment, it's for them to make their own payments if they choose to.

I don't know "deep down" or any other way if that park was opened prematurely, and I don't care. Who does care, except you? Let ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Dec 4, 16 9:31 PM
TB, No one cares about Good Ground Park??? - do YOU live in HB - Is it ok with you that they wasted $45K on temporary bathrooms for one day? Is it ok with you that they have NO monies in the 2017 budget so they can let it turn into an attractive nuisance? What about the fact they they ran out of money for the permanent comfort stations? What about the fact that it is supposedly closed, but there are no gates and kids are using the new amphitheater as a skateboard park? What about the homeless ...more
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Dec 4, 16 11:54 PM
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So it's ok for Town funds to be used for campaign stunts? Interesting take, George.

If we use your longevity bonus argument and apply it to the private sector, it makes no sense.

Bob worked as an excavator operator for company a for 6 years. He then went to work for company b for 8 years when he left for a position with company c. After working for company c for 11 months, he demanded a longevity bonus to be paid by company c because he had been sitting in an excavator for 14 ...more
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 5, 16 7:31 AM
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I wonder if Jay gives bonuses to his motel workers based on their service in other Montauk motels.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Dec 5, 16 9:46 AM
HB Proud, you're distorting my meaning. I meant only that no one cares about the timing of the park's opening, that's it. My remark had no application whatever to any other aspect of Good Ground Park's funding, construction or operation, so don't try to stretch my words beyond their plain meaning.

Draggerman, your comparison is without merit. When your excavator operator was working for any one of the three companies in your example, he wasn't benefiting either of the other two companies ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Dec 5, 16 10:48 AM
TB what I meant, many of the HB residents recognize that,the opening day could have waited until next year when the Town administration had a real plan and monies for operations and maintenance and completed the comfort stations (oh that is right, they don't have the money for the comfort stations) . They did not need to waste 45K on temporary bathrooms. Many of the taxpayers are more concerned with long term benefits and detriments than a feel good photo op for elected officials.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Dec 5, 16 12:11 PM
Tb as and far as the CSEA agreement, I participated in at least a dozen bargaining agreements in my career. The newer employers (or those that were not even hired yet) end up paying the price for the more senior employees benefits I am not saying it is right, but that is the way the unions bargain. What the Supervisor did was violate the basic principle of collective bargaining. They should have just waited for the next contract.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Dec 5, 16 12:23 PM
Really. I beg to differ, but your liberal logic is, as usual, flawed.

If Jay did such a great service for Suffolk County, they should give him a longevity bonus. Its not up to the Taxpayers of Southampton to give him a bonus when we just hired him.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 5, 16 1:22 PM
my comments are in the same format of those articles that bots on the internet write.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Dec 5, 16 9:23 PM
During those twelve years, he wasn't representing Suffolk County before Southampton Town, he was representing Southampton Town before Suffolk County, so it was Southampton, and other towns, that got the benefit of his work. You've got it backwards.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Dec 5, 16 8:22 PM
Sorry TB, but I don't agree. Unless there is a cost-sharing agreement or some Suffolk County Fund that handles all the same or similar situations it puts an unfair tax burden on the taxpayers of Southanpton. I don't care if it is an extra dollar, it is the principle.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Dec 6, 16 7:21 AM
NTiger, this isn't the first time you've beaten the dead horse of my defending Democratic and Democratic-endorsed officeholders. You say I have a "pattern" of maintaining that these folks "can do no wrong." It's actually funny how mistaken you are in the present context, because one of the things about which we're arguing in this thread is my strong criticism of the Democratic-backed Highway Superintendent, Alex Gregor. So what are you talking about, NTiger?

The Town's initial proposal ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Dec 6, 16 10:56 AM
As you know George, the appearance of impropriety can be more damaging than the impropriety itself. When you solicit or take money from those who have pecuniary interests in matters upon which donation recipients vote, you cast a shadow over what may have motivated the vote. One could either recuse oneself from voting on that issue or one could return the contribution. But once the contribution is accepted and the vote cast the damage is done and like the moving finger of time across the sand ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Dec 6, 16 1:53 PM
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Funny. I think that Mr. Tiger is a very levelheaded poster. His posts are well thought out & to the point.

Whats your take on The Hills, George? You seem to be taking it all in last night.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 6, 16 1:56 PM
It's mutual, Neil. Happy holidays.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Dec 6, 16 5:27 PM