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Apr 10, 2019 9:29 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton Town Board Approves Additional $225,000 For Ponquogue Beach Facility Revitalization

The Ponquogue Beach facility is in the process of getting a facelift. GREG WEHNER
Apr 11, 2019 7:58 AM

Southampton Town Board members approved another $225,000 to be spent toward the revitalization of the Ponquogue Beach facility, nearly doubling the cost of what the renovations were originally expected to cost.

Work on a major transformation of the facility was initially expected to cost the town nearly $1.8 million.

Starting in October 2018, crews began renovating the pavilion. The work consisted of replacing and expanding the decking, replacing the roof, ripping off and installing new siding, exposing a sand-covered ramp to the beach and extending it to the ocean, building a retaining wall around the pavilion and making numerous improvements to the parking lot.

When the project went to bid in July 2018, all of the proposals from contractors to conduct the work came back much higher than what the town was willing to pay at the time. As a result, town officials changed their expectations and raised the price tag by $1.2 million, making the total expense of the renovation to cost $2.93 million.

The project was accepted, and crews got to work, closing off the Ponquogue parking lot to the public.

Issues with the underlying structure below the deck was discovered as work progressed.

Town officials originally sought to use the cross beams and pilings from the old deck, in an effort to save costs and under the impression that the structure was still good.

Workers found many of the elements under the deck were cracked and needed to be replaced.

The cost to replace the underlying structure is $225,000, making the new total for the renovation $3.16 million—nearly double the price that was anticipated.

Southampton Town Supervisor told the other board members that the cost of replacing the underlying structure would be more than what they agreed to pay the contractor, but at this point, he added, the town really does not have a choice of replacing it or not.

“I think it’s worth it,” Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman said. “It’s going to be a gorgeous beach facility.”

He added that the project is still on track to be completed by Memorial Day.

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Who verified all these changes to the faulty sub structure??? When was it found and relayed to the board??? Sounds like the bait and switch on a low bid.
Name change to come later, Tappen Zee???
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Apr 11, 19 8:35 AM
There is no accountability or consequences at this Town Administration for spending. Almost every capital project has been grossly underestimated. This is what happens when the leadership has one foot out the door looking for the next best political position.
By G.A.Lombardi (575), Hampton Bays on Apr 11, 19 9:28 AM
LOL ! If anyone remembers the SHTB hired and paid a firm to look after this project.

The SHTB is clueless on such projects with many examples of this. Which in itself, there is no issue except they refuse to learn from their errors due to their arrogance only to return to the money machine, you the taxpayer. Easy! They think they know and they don't. Intellectual arrogance.

The decline in confidence in this board is overwhelming with their priggishness, vanity, pomposity and ...more
By Hamptonsway (107), Southampton on Apr 11, 19 7:59 PM
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Why didn’t they cut out sections of the deck to examine the underlying structure before they bid the job?. Sounds like someone in the Town messed up.
By A Great American (103), East Quogue on Apr 11, 19 11:27 AM
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$3 million for a 3000 sf structure with no HVAC? $1000 per square foot? Hope they remembered bathrooms...
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Apr 11, 19 12:30 PM
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Bathrooms? Are these the cesspools that cause high nitrogen levels or did the town not replace them with the new advanced models? How could this liberal democratic board do this to AOC?
By Hamptonsway (107), Southampton on Apr 11, 19 8:27 PM
Now the bigger question becomes is will the Town commit to maintaining the building properly going forward. This means committing funds and manpower on an annual basis, not letting the "we just spent $2.5 mill on this building so we can reduce the maintenance costs going forward".
By roverton (64), Westhampton on Apr 11, 19 1:17 PM
Long live Hampton Bays, best water on the East end, Shinnecock, Peconic and Tiana Bays, the inlet, best beaches, and we can get to Hampton Bays !!!! Easy access to the North Fork and Riverhead . Wonderful things happening in Hamptom Bays, CPI and Ponquogue beach renovations, Good Ground Park, Bel-Crap soon to be demolished, new park under Ponquogue Bridge on the south side, fishing pier renovation on the north side of the old bridge, affordable housing, great restaurants,etc. Stop complaining, ...more
By P. Revere (152), hampton Bays on Apr 11, 19 1:37 PM
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Most people I know recognize all the great things about Hampton Bays and recognize that some long overdue projects are getting done That does not change the fact that we do not have a Town Administration that is transparent and accountable. Good times follow bad and bad times follow good - we are in the 11th year of the recovery and HB has not recovered to the extent that the surrounding areas have. The Town ignores core issues such as zoning, code enforcement and maintenance of public property ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (575), Hampton Bays on Apr 11, 19 2:37 PM
and yes let me add density and overcrowding....
By G.A.Lombardi (575), Hampton Bays on Apr 11, 19 2:55 PM
GA: True what you say but take the good with the bad. Code enforcement is doing a better job and the Bad- Aire will soon be history. Every citizen can help out with the maintenance of our public property. Please folks dont litter and pick up in front of your house and to the sides, goes a long way to make HB a nicer place. Also when at the beaches pick up litter whenever you can. When going up to the bathroom pick up on the way. Have a great summer.
By P. Revere (152), hampton Bays on Apr 11, 19 2:54 PM
No one's comments are "putting down" HB. ...just the Town Administration....as far as the Bel-Aire being :gone"....I'l believe it when I see it. Yes...happy spring and summer!
By G.A.Lombardi (575), Hampton Bays on Apr 11, 19 3:35 PM
I'm sure the issues with the deck were noticed by the smart bidders at the outset.
Keep your numbers low to get the job and then wack the Town with big Change Order later. Classic.
By fritzdaddy (35), southampton on Apr 11, 19 4:16 PM
Taht may be true, but the issues were apparent to the contractor, they should have been apparent to the professionals that work at the Town that put together the RFP.....but you are right...it is classic.
By G.A.Lombardi (575), Hampton Bays on Apr 11, 19 4:45 PM
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Be interesting to know what the original price of that facility was.
By roverton (64), Westhampton on Apr 11, 19 8:54 PM
It is slated to be completed by Memorial Day, that means, possibly by July 4th. More likely, Labor Day.
By zeke (40), southampton on Apr 12, 19 4:49 AM
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The sub structure of this building is in such terrible shape that it should have been completely demo'd and rebuiilt. $3.16 Million to make it look great on the outside, but in 5-7 years the weight of all new hardwood on the deck will take its toll on all the rotted piles and girders below the surface...

With Ponquogue Beach being one of the biggest draws for the town in the summer, i am sure they just wanted a 'quick fix' rather than take a chance at not having the space open come summer.
By EQuoguer (7), East Quogue on Apr 12, 19 9:31 AM
IMHO, the only reason that this project was even started was because Supervisor Schneiderman wanted a full-service restaurant at the site the first day he took office 4 years ago. They conducted a survey and had public meetings and most of the residents (Town and HB) just wanted the pavilion renovated. I suspect, given the opportunity, SHTB would have walked away from the project all together, but the structure was in really bad shape. Tone is from the top - when the leadership doesn't care - ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (575), Hampton Bays on Apr 12, 19 9:41 AM
There is no doubt that the structure needed to be renovated. There were noticeable failures through out the timber foundation. The north west corner of the deck was almost 3" lower than the rest of the deck because of a deteriorated pile. that was just noticeable because it was a corner. imagine what the interior looks like.
By EQuoguer (7), East Quogue on Apr 12, 19 10:39 AM
Agreed, this property has been neglected for years - probably decades. I really don't know what they do with the $100 million budget. Government at all levels has become the black hole of tax monies, but it is very obvious at a local level. There is also limited checks and balances, accountability and transparency on spending. Again, tone is from the top..Look at GGP - millions of dollars, used 10 days a year, maybe bathrooms this year?, no main pedestrian entrance...it was ATH "pet project" ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (575), Hampton Bays on Apr 12, 19 11:01 AM
follow the money, chesterfields donates to jay's re-election campaign knowing damn well the substructure is crap. jay gives the nod, don't worry boys we'll take care of you on the change order and it won't have to go back out to bid.

There's no way chesterfields is lowest bidder on all of these projects and pays everyone prevailing wage...no way
By politcal pawn (121), Flanders on Apr 13, 19 10:13 AM
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Lipstick on a pig. Classic election year aesthetics over quality and environment. Shouldn't an I/A OWTS be required based on CH 123, Article 8? Three million and counting with no alternative septic or solar. Plenty of CPF Water Quality monies, every beach location should be converted. Lead by example.
By Postie (3), Hampton Bays on Apr 14, 19 1:43 PM
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Excellent point!

There was a gentlemen at the meeting on the grant program for septic systems last night who is on the Clean Water Committee (I think that's right). He was asking for suggestions on areas that nitrogen can be cleaned up. Perhaps someone should suggest Dune Road.
By bb (922), Hampton Bays on Apr 16, 19 9:19 PM
They get about $100k per year in parking and I heard the concession will go for $48k. Drop in the bucket. If you want to know where the $100 million per year Town budget goes, about $40 million is healthcare insurance and the healthcare portion of pensions for the staff and police force. This healthcare by the way, is provided by the New York State owned SUNY Southampton Hospital system, that gets 80% of its expenses paid by Medicare and Medicaid. The other 20% goes to health insurance executives.
Time ...more
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Apr 14, 19 7:55 PM
who got the concession?
By eastender09 (29), southampton on Apr 17, 19 3:25 PM