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May 4, 2019 6:44 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

State Remains Silent On Determination Over Shinnecock Nation Billboard Work On Sunrise

The construction site looking east on the westbound side of County Road 39 on Saturday afternoon. DANA SHAW
May 8, 2019 10:51 AM

State officials have remained mum about who has authority over the Shinnecock Indian Nation’s construction site along Sunrise Highway in Hampton Bays, leaving local officials pacing the floor and making it more likely that the Nation’s proposed electronic billboards will go up without any state resistance.

The state attorney general’s office and the State Department of Transportation are the two agencies that have been reviewing the matter, and they have yet to make a determination on the project—which, according to a report, could accrue more than $78 million in advertising revenue over the life of a 25-year contract, to be split by the tribe and the company installing the signs.

State Assemblyman Fred W. Thiele Jr., State Senator Kenneth P. LaValle and officials from Southampton Town all are waiting for a response from the state agencies to find out what, if anything, can be done to halt the project, as they are unsure who has the authority to make a decision.

A spokesperson for the DOT confirmed Wednesday morning that the matter is still being reviewed.

Meanwhile, town officials are scrambling to determine how best to respond to the Nation’s plan for a pair of 61-foot-tall electronic billboards along Sunrise Highway, on tribe-owned land, even as the work continues.

Concrete posts and footers have been installed for two 61-foot-tall, 20-foot-wide billboards—described by tribal officials as “monuments”—on the north and south sides of Sunrise Highway. Each will have a 30-foot-high LED digital display—on both sides of each billboard—for advertisements, with the Shinnecock Nation seal above that.

Contractors had begun installing some of the framework this past week, with the tribe maintaining that the work is on tribe-owned land, known as Westwoods, and not subject to local or state restrictions.

“There’s a sense of growing frustration,” Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman said Tuesday. “What do we do? Who’s going to help us? How do we stop this from happening? We don’t have a lot of good answers.”

A copy of a February feasibility study prepared by Idon Media LLC, the company the tribe is partnering with on the electronic billboards, provided by a confidential source in the Nation, and obtained by The Press, shows that the billboards will be double-sided and will cost about $3.5 million to install. Idon Media will cover all costs of installation, according to the 10-page report by the firm Johnsen, Fretty and Company, a financial adviser retained by Idon Media.

The tribe will split the advertising revenue from the billboards with the company, with Idon Media keeping 51 percent. In the first year, the report projects total revenues of $4.6 million, which means about $2.3 million for the tribe. That amount is projected to rise to $6 million total by the fifth year of operation, and over the 25-year contract period, the projected total income tops $78 million, to be split by the tribe and Idon Media.

“Management’s goal is to construct these one-of-a-kind, state-of-the-art digital monument signs to maximize advertising sales on each location,” the report notes, with emphasis added to “maximize advertising sales.”

Tribal Council Chairman Bryan Polite and Trustee Lance Gumbs both said that the report was inaccurate and did not come from the Nation. They did not provide any other details.

“I know what packet you’re speaking of, and if it does not come from the tribal government officially, then it’s inaccurate information,” Mr. Polite said.

Idon Media and its affiliate, Digital Outdoor Advertising, operate similar units throughout the country and focus on Fortune 500 companies as advertisers, listing Disney, fast-food chains, Sony Pictures and 20th Century Fox, Walmart, insurance companies, automobile manufacturers, and alcohol products among its clients.

On Friday, Mr. Schneiderman said he considered organizing a public rally to demonstrate opposition to the tribe’s plans for the billboards, but he later heard that local civic groups may be interested in holding their own rallies. He spoke with the Hampton Bays Beautification Association—one of the groups that expressed interest—at their meeting on Monday evening to explain the situation.

“If there is a rally, I may attend. But I know the civics are talking about it,” he said Saturday. “My phone has been ringing off the hook with people who are upset about the billboards. The more they find out about it, the more upset they are.”

The town is planning to get help in sorting through the legal dispute at the heart of the project. At a special meeting on Tuesday, the Town Board authorized Town Attorney James Burke to seek outside counsel, likely someone with a background in federal law as it pertains to Native American tribes, Mr. Schneiderman said.

“The signs are clearly out of character with the area and, in my mind, distasteful,” the town supervisor said, noting that he could support some other economic development ideas the tribe’s leaders have suggested—just not this one.

Town officials issued a stop work order for the project on Friday, April 26, and has made other attempts to ask the Nation to stop construction. Tribe members had submitted plans to the DOT instead of the town, because the state holds an easement along Sunrise Highway. The Nation maintains that Town Hall has no bearing on the project, since it is located on land, Westwoods, that tribal officials believe is sovereign land. The property straddles Sunrise Highway.

The Westwoods property has been the source of an extended legal battle once already—one that was unresolved.

A federal court found that the property was not sovereign land, though it is owned by the Nation. That decision was dismissed on appeal, though, based on the fact that the court decided it was not a federal court matter but a state court issue, since the tribe had not yet been officially recognized by the federal government. Recognition came following that appeal—but the matter was never re-litigated in either state or federal court.

Thus, the question remains: Who has jurisdiction over the site?

The tribe clearly owns the land, and the state has a right-of-way for Sunrise Highway. Because Sunrise Highway is part of the federal highway system, it is subject to its rules, which must be enforced by the state. Whether or not the state, or the town, has any ability to stop the project could be a matter to be decided in court.

It is possible that it will be up to the State Department of Transportation to try to shut down the project, though it so far has taken no steps to do so.

But tribe members do not consider this a topic of dispute—they are firm in their belief that they are authorized to erect the billboards and collect the revenue they will generate.

The Nation’s Westwoods property—on which the tribe had talked of building a gaming facility in the past, resulting in the federal court battle—stretches from Peconic Bay down to a narrow strip along Sunrise Highway between exits 65S and 66 in Hampton Bays. However, it is not part of the reservation.

In a layered history of voided legal judgments, it is a property that has passed between owners over time, which is at the heart of the court’s ruling that it is not sovereign land. Tribal officials have said in the past that the land was stolen from the tribe in the 19th century through the courts, then later re-acquired.

Mr. Schneiderman said he has been actively communicating with Tribal Council members, primarily Mr. Polite and Mr. Gumbs. He said—and Mr. Gumbs confirmed—that they have expressed some willingness recently to work with the town to lower the brightness of the display screen at night to limit its impact on nearby homes.

The town supervisor explained that the tribe originally planned to keep the brightness of 5,500 nits—a unit of measurement for luminance—which is typical for an outdoor LED display. But after some discussion, they agreed Wednesday to lower the brightness to 300 nits, about as bright as a laptop screen, at an undetermined point late at night, Mr. Schneiderman said.

Southampton has long opposed billboards within its borders, ever since it passed a law prohibiting them in the late 1970s. The ban was even upheld in several court battles shortly thereafter.

Mr. Thiele was the Southampton Town attorney when those trials took place in the early 1980s, and said he has opposed billboards on local highways since then.

“I’m in favor of the beautification of our highways, and I don’t see signs in that regard,” the assemblyman said. “But, on the other hand, I certainly would like to help the Shinnecocks with economic development. I guess I think that there may be better ways.”

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CPF should make them an offer they cannot refuse for the Westwoods property. Millions of dollars to buy it and preserve it is a win-win situation for everybody
By Non-Political (115), Hampton Bays on May 4, 19 9:29 PM
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BOYCOTT THE SCHINECOCK NATION SMOKE SHOPS AND POW WOW.

BOYCOTT BUSINESS ADVERTISERS WHO ADVERTISE ON THE SIGNS.
By Hamptonsway (77), Southampton on May 5, 19 5:58 PM
Please consider killing two birds with one stone . Some of these neighborhoods are dying for some noise abatement relief ! These walls can be made to be very attractive if done properly ! We have been waiting a seriously long time for some relief from the trade parade and weekender's who come on Friday night all night long. Please consider it Jay

The people living along the highway from the Bellows Pond Rd bridge to the Lobster inn on both sides have been begging the town for a sound wall ...more
By 27dan (2733), Shinnecock Hills on May 4, 19 9:49 PM
I am sorry for being blunt, but didn't you choose to live in your home knowing very well it was on the highway?
By EQuoguer (7), East Quogue on May 16, 19 7:29 AM
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27dan, you are so correct!. the Town needs to erect sound walls along 27 and County Road 39; the traffic noise is merciless and people are suffering emotionally and physically from the impact. Plus, it makes the houses virtually unsalable. There should be a sound wall from Tuckahoe Road to Macgee. People live along the road, there are homeowners and condo owners who are miserable with the traffic noise.

And, with the LIRR running more trains, its time to install quiet zone technology, ...more
By JohnSmith (25), Johnson City, Tennessee on May 4, 19 10:57 PM
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The erection of 61 foot billboards is a malevolent malicious act by the Shinnecocks. They enjoythumbing their nose at the Town. There is no viable legitimate business purpose. And, they know its a residential community. Maybe they want to be bought out of their land; or maybe they are just obnoxious individuals. They don't deserve any respect whatsoever. Nobody alive today in Hampton Bays had anything to do with this purported land grab; in fact, I would venture to say, that most of their ...more
By JohnSmith (25), Johnson City, Tennessee on May 4, 19 11:03 PM
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Buy the land for any price.
By Summer Resident (237), Southampton Town, NY on May 4, 19 11:53 PM
the town has yet to pay for the deal they made for Shinnecock Hills in the 1800's.
By sstorch (36), water milll on May 5, 19 6:17 AM
Shouldn’t there be a study on the effects the lighting will have on the insect population? Real question, really.
By deepchanel (80), Hampton Bays on May 5, 19 7:46 AM
A sound barrier would be as ugly as the monuments , except it would be MILES long.
By bigfresh (4427), north sea on May 5, 19 7:54 AM
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Schneiderman's revelation that he has had discussions with the tribe regarding "mitigating" the damage of their obnoxious, anti-social project epitomizes the response that we have come to expect from town hall every time some egoist tries to impoverish residents' lives by the assertion of his own property "rights". How often, you may recall, have nouveau riche parvenus with beachfront property tried to prohibit our access to "their" bit of sand? And what is the inevitable response of town hall ...more
By highhatsize (4066), East Quogue on May 5, 19 8:11 AM
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Looks like the town is not acting fast enough. If this neon billboard is allowed then everyone and every business will be allowed. Bye ol country southampton
By Win sky (47), Southampton on May 5, 19 8:13 AM
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No, the sign inspector will make sure that doesn't happen. Oh wait - there is no sign inspector! Hence everyone can put up anything.
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on May 6, 19 9:08 AM
Native Americans 1, White Settlers 0.
By themarlinspike (388), Northern Hemisphere on May 5, 19 8:22 AM
When will you return the land your family lives on to it's rightful owners? Shouldn't justice begin with you? It's perfectly within your power, hypocrite.
By NateNewtown (96), east on May 5, 19 6:18 PM
Anyone can have my land for 900G, I paid 35G for it.
By themarlinspike (388), Northern Hemisphere on May 6, 19 7:21 AM
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How is the electrical power supplied? Where is it generated, how delivered? Where does the power cable come from?
By dfree (749), hampton bays on May 5, 19 8:32 AM
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So much for Dark Skies. This "project" and declaring it a "monument" is horse****. A "monument" is in memorial to someone or something. The legal definition of a monument also shows this is horse****. Not going to bat for y'all on this one. Thanks for spoiling the area's character.
By Mr. Z (11418), North Sea on May 5, 19 8:33 AM
LOL, you hypocrite. This is clearly within their rights. You only support the Shinnecocks when it affects someone else. The moment your precious view from a highway is slightly disturbed, it's to hell with the tribe's sovereignty. Typical liberal, infinitely generous as long as someone else pays the cost.

You've stated you believe the people who "stole" the Shinnecock's land in the past were evil, now you want to do the same, but of course, unlike those "evil" people, you have a good reason ...more
By NateNewtown (96), east on May 5, 19 6:16 PM
This is not about the view, it's about the character. Don't put words in my mouth, nor read into my views. Admittedly I did let the first volley go.

There is an anti-billboard law on the books in this town. It exists for good reasons. I for one support that law vehemently. We're not Nassau or NYC nor would many of us prefer to look like them. This endeavor is in bad judgement, and poor taste. Personally, if I want to see Times Square I'll make the trip.
By Mr. Z (11418), North Sea on May 6, 19 8:10 PM
I'm pretty sure the lands were paid for years ago. Manhattan was bought that way..
Montauk highway is the gateway to the Reservation...
By knitter (1754), Southampton on May 5, 19 9:12 AM
Between the tobacco shops and the billboards, it's hard to ignore The Native American's reverence for their land. Truly heartwarming.
By even flow (853), East Hampton on May 5, 19 9:24 AM
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For a community that bases their claim of righteousness on the spirituality of their land, and the use of historical trickery against them, they sure don't mind a little plotting and manipulation themselves. And they sure are are quick to defile that land for money when the opportunity presents itself. The Shinnecocks deserve whatever the law gives them, but their leadership has surrendered the moral high ground once and for all.
By CPalmer (81), Southampton on May 5, 19 9:47 AM
I don’t understand—this work is not underway down some 200’ dirt road in the woods—IT’S ON A FREAKING MAJOR HIGHWAY!

Step 1: yellow STOP WORK sign goes up.

Step 2: Building Inspector arrives to notify the private contractors (not members of Shinnecock Nation) that no building permit issued and work not authorized.

Step 3: Building Inspector asks for picture ID and SH home improvement licenses (hint: most up-Island contractors don’t ...more
By aging hipster (187), Southampton on May 5, 19 11:36 AM
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The Shinnecock’s claim its to bring in revenue for the tribal elders. Where is all the money going for the cigarette sales? I don’t understand why this is happening.
By guest (67), Bridgehampton on May 5, 19 1:59 PM
AGING HYPSTER the MTA and the state are exempt from local zoning. So next idea
By chief1 (2737), southampton on May 5, 19 2:26 PM
MTA and State exempt.

Is work being done by MTA?

ie: are Town police vehicles able to enforce traffic laws on State highways?
By aging hipster (187), Southampton on May 6, 19 6:15 AM
BUILDING PERMIT? HOW WILL THEY GET THE POWER FOR THIS?

BOYCOTT ! BOYCOTT ! BOYCOTT!

Boycott any business that Schinecock Nation has - advoid smoke shops and pow wow. Boycott the advertisers who do business on these signs.

Boycott - boycott - boycott..........................................
By Hamptonsway (77), Southampton on May 5, 19 5:56 PM
In the drawing they look like the monolith in 2001, a space odyssey but with advertising . Will they serve as the bases for the Shinnecock toll booth?
By G (334), Southampton on May 5, 19 6:16 PM
Maybe that is what Kubrick ment ? The Hamptons .... " Oh my God .... Its full of stars"
By joe hampton (3364), The Hamptons on May 6, 19 6:12 PM
Just curious.. is the town responsible for protecting the billboards from vandalism?

By harbor (400), East Hampton on May 5, 19 6:57 PM
This project has been in the planning stages for well over year. The town new or should have been aware of the Shinnecock Nation's plans. You will have to excuse the supervisor for being distracted he was busy running for county controller. Now he is playing catch up. The town should have had discussions with the Shinnecock Nation before construction started. Everyone else has made money in the overdevelopment of the east end why shouldn't the original owners make some. The property is considered ...more
By HB salvation (18), Hampton bays on May 5, 19 9:51 PM
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Lighten up people. There is a sculpture on CR111. And guess what. Nobody died and the world didn’t end. There are more important things in life to worry about.
By A Great American (89), East Quogue on May 5, 19 10:16 PM
This is what is being planned:

Concrete posts and footers have been installed for two 61-foot tall, 20-foot-wide billboards—described by tribal officials as “monuments”—on the north and south sides of Sunrise Highway. Each will have a 30-foot-high LED digital display for advertisements, and the Shinnecock Nation seal above that.

What "sculpture" is on CR 111 that you are comparing this to?
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on May 6, 19 9:14 AM
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Where's that land claim LMAO
By Yeah write (1), Suffolk on May 6, 19 6:13 AM
I can't believe they want to do a neon billboard. How awful and NO taste is that?? Native people suppose to love and an protect the environment, it would be a whole different thing if the monument comes from nature, local wood, stone, plants, trees, but NEON??? people are fighting to safe the environment and they want harm the environment, it does not ass up!!!
By Mate (44), Southampton on May 6, 19 6:39 AM
lol - i'm not sure that you get to decide what 'native people love and protect' ...
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (695), southampton on May 6, 19 6:54 AM
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No neon is being used; it will be LED panels
By Nukiepoo (118), Southampton on May 10, 19 10:28 AM
I heard on the grapevine that the billboard wil be used to direct our visitors to where to purchase feel good substances.
By watchdog1 (533), Southampton on May 6, 19 6:54 AM
I wish there was this much outrage when PSEG put their "monuments" all over the western part of town.
By The Real World (365), southampton on May 6, 19 7:29 AM
Supervisor Schneiderman has gone on the attack in a very public way and I find his actions appalling. He came to the HBCA meeting last Monday with little real understanding of the laws and alternatives, but wanted to "start a petition". A petition about WHAT when you don't know the rules an law? This is his M.O. since he took office - come to a conclusion without any real understand of the facts and the law - look at the the 3 ring circus that was put on for the SCWA takeover of the water ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (487), Hampton Bays on May 6, 19 7:44 AM
CANAL TOLL: Serious idea...why not a toll (50 cents?) to cross either of the two bridges across the canal? Half the money goes to maintenance of the bridges (needed), and the other half goes to the Nation (also needed). The areas that the billboards are currently going up would allow for the needed extra lanes of the toll plaza. it would be a one-way toll. Fee to enter the Hamptons, free to leave.
By Agawam Yacht Club (69), Southampton on May 6, 19 10:04 AM
Boycott. Can we post a neon sign stating so now?
By Win sky (47), Southampton on May 6, 19 10:48 AM
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SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION PRICING is the plan. The toll will be at the 2 bridges that cross the Shinnecock Canal on Sunrise and Montauk Highways. It would be a smart congestion pricing during peak hours and months only, 5am to 7pm April thru September and in both directions. Property taxpayers in Southampton and East Hampton pay $1 each way, non-property taxpayers $2 each way, and commercial vehicles $4 per axle each way. Money collected to be used only for sustainable transportation improvements ...more
By Non-Political (115), Hampton Bays on May 6, 19 11:05 AM
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How does this benefit the Shinnecock Nation?
By Agawam Yacht Club (69), Southampton on May 6, 19 11:10 AM
Interesting concept in that you would extend the benefit of residency only to the landed gentry. Do you also advocate withdrawing the right to vote from residents who do not own land? Perhaps their children should be required to pay tuition in the schools and the constables shall have different rules for their engagement.
By VOS (1211), WHB on May 6, 19 3:23 PM
Non-Political - you seem to be aware of a "plan" of sustainable transportation that most of are not. It might be helpful if you post under your real name and let us know where this "plan" is. I am from NYC and still use public transportation. I don't see congestion pricing as a panacea for the public transportation system. I see it as more of a slush fund for the waste that already exists. This idea that bikes and cars and pedestrians can exist in harmony sometimes have fatal consequences.
By G.A.Lombardi (487), Hampton Bays on May 7, 19 7:32 AM
CPF pays fair market value for all Westwoods properties and preserves it.
By Non-Political (115), Hampton Bays on May 6, 19 1:50 PM
OK Folks.... Let your hearts be still. The property on both sides includes the section of Sunrise Highway that runs through it, It's known as an easement. Now hold onto to your hats, easements don't apply to Indian Sovereign Land. So here's where the Shinnecock Nation will generate revenue by erecting toll booths. Thanks Jay & Town Board, buy some more property with Indian Artifacts that are dug up...how did that work out for you all, Losers.
By The Crow's Nest (65), Red Creek on May 6, 19 4:21 PM
Tolls? Have you all lost your minds?
By joeg (28), Hampton Bays on May 7, 19 4:17 PM
Tolls would be amazing!! Year Round residents on the South Fork get a free pass. Everyone else pays! Use the money for pot hole repair.
By toes in the water (861), southampton on May 8, 19 7:21 AM
Be grateful these things aren't going up at the end of Hill Street .
By AndersEn (169), Southampton on May 8, 19 7:06 AM
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Hooray for tolls on all bridges! Speed cameras in all school zones please! I'd like to see full privatization of all US roads in addition to vehicles that start with a swipe of a valid license : )
By Aeshtron (325), Southampton on May 8, 19 10:52 AM
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Boycott any company or brand that advertises on the boards!
By Just My Opinion (4), Southampton on May 8, 19 11:27 AM
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Lit monuments will not be good for Hamptons. This must be stopped.
By Summer Resident (237), Southampton Town, NY on May 8, 19 11:37 AM
Boycott any company or brand that advertises on the boards!
By Just My Opinion (4), Southampton on May 8, 19 12:36 PM
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Saw DOT trucks with surveying equipment out there is morning. Glad to see the DOT working at their normal glacial speed. Unfortunately, it looks like they are finished welding the mounting plates on the top of the support posts, so we are probably only a days worth of work before the signs (minus the base skirts) are erected.
By longtimelocal (55), Southampton on May 8, 19 6:27 PM
Word on the street that the first advertisement in the Hampton Bays billboards will be for beautiful downtown Riverhead.
By even flow (853), East Hampton on May 9, 19 7:29 AM
The Shelter Island Fire Department has a digital sign.

Ok It is a little smaller. But the town could put up its own advertising in an agreement with the NAtion, like Keep our beaches clean. Or no texting while driving. Or concert tonight at the new Ponquogue beach pavillion. Drive safe. Accident at Lobster in traffic snarled for two hours.......

And yes toll cameras on the bridges is a great idea. Much better than raising taxes. Then we could fix the roads that so many use but ...more
By AL (74), southampton on May 9, 19 8:02 AM
Not a peep from Zeldin on this? No federal leverage on this?

AL .. you are comparing Fire Dept sign to proposed 60 foot billboards? Seriously?
We need a 60 foot billboard to say Drive Safe? Toll cameras on bridges? Lunacy.
By harbor (400), East Hampton on May 9, 19 8:25 AM
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Oh please. This has nothing to do with the feds. If you must find fault, blame the lame local and state politicians sitting on their hands for fear of being called racists. If anyone else was doing this, a stop work order would've been handed over as soon as the first construction worker arrived. This sign is probably staying, a big FU to the Hampton's elite from the honorable "tribe".
By MoronEliminator (203), Montauk on May 9, 19 6:48 PM
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TWIN TOWERS OF BABEL (Genesis 11:1–9 )
By themarlinspike (388), Northern Hemisphere on May 9, 19 9:23 AM
One move which will give the Shinnecock Nation something to think about would be to station a Town Police car on Montauk Highway by the Shinnecock tobacco stores and check cars and trucks coming out of these stores for vehicle and or traffic violations and most importantly Tobacco purchases. Double this inspection during POW WOW time. Additionally, we need to boycott any advertisers and the POW WOW.
BTW, building a sound barrier is a great idea, it would block these advertising signs and render ...more
By SpeedRacer (146), Southampton on May 9, 19 11:35 AM
Looking forward to this years Pow Wow!! Might head over to the Rez tomorrow for some lunch. Pick up some lung rockets and congratulate them on this genius billboard !
By toes in the water (861), southampton on May 9, 19 5:00 PM
This seems to be a new article, you should start the comments all over again, so that we can comment (I really mean blast) State officials for their impotence.
By HamptonDad (220), Hampton Bays on May 9, 19 11:37 AM
Put up the TOLL booth already, push car pooling, lessen the trade parade keep jobs local. Put a billlboard on top of the toll booth saying upon entry “Welcome to the Hamptons” exiting “Hope you enjoyed your stay please come again��”
Toll booth benefits ALL!!!!
By Woodpecker (8), Southampton on May 9, 19 12:52 PM
Put up the TOLL booth already, push car pooling, lessen the trade parade keep jobs local. Put a billlboard on top of the toll booth saying upon entry “Welcome to the Hamptons” exiting “Hope you enjoyed your stay please come again��”
Toll booth benefits ALL!!!!
By Woodpecker (8), Southampton on May 9, 19 12:52 PM
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I'm hoping they post trivia questions and horoscopes for the entertainment of the trade parade ...
By AndersEn (169), Southampton on May 9, 19 5:12 PM
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Last night's winning lottery numbers followed by real estate ads in case a winner happens to be driving by.
By MoronEliminator (203), Montauk on May 9, 19 6:50 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By saggguy (20), SAGAPONACK on May 9, 19 9:24 PM
Saggguy, probably not the smartest thing to publicly state you are going to use your “ powerful BB gun” to shoot the signs.that won’t end well.
By Fred s (2694), Southampton on May 10, 19 5:50 AM
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Cant fix stupid! I hope the police visit saggguy today an take away his pellet gun. As well as send him for a proper mental evaluation. Testing out the pellet gun on a family outing?!?! Very disturbing imo an yet ppl have negative thing to say about the Tribe.
By toes in the water (861), southampton on May 10, 19 6:24 AM
a toll at the western border of Southampton Town and a toll at the Riverhead Town border also. Easthampton and Southampton residents get a free pass, all others pay $5 coming and going, funds to be used for road maintenance and beach cleanup.
By bigfresh (4427), north sea on May 10, 19 6:37 AM
Exactly what I've been saying . Local year round residents on the East End get free pass. The rest pay
By toes in the water (861), southampton on May 10, 19 6:41 AM
If traffic is backed up now, toll booths will back up traffic indefinitely.
By Fred s (2694), Southampton on May 10, 19 6:48 AM
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There will be no billboards on the Great Peconic Causeway, the most beautiful drive
in America.
By V.Tomanoku (758), southampton on May 10, 19 9:37 AM
The toll discussion is crazy, has anyone talking about this ever been stuck at the GWB, or any other toll in the tristate area? This is the country we are talking about, not Long Island City. You are worried about quality of life and property values? Charge a toll and see what happens. SMH
By joeg (28), Hampton Bays on May 10, 19 9:48 AM
Country? LOL, only if you're from NYC.
By MoronEliminator (203), Montauk on May 14, 19 4:32 PM
This is a bit off topic, but since we are talking tolls which automatically leads to surveillance, does anyone know who installed the license plate readers and CCTV cameras at the beginning of Hill Street in Southampton Village? They are installed, east bound, on the telephone pole with the electronic speed limit sign and also on the pole, west bound, in front of the old antique store. There is even a dedicated CCTV pointed directly at East Gate Road to the reservation. Assuming this is SVPD, but ...more
By longtimelocal (55), Southampton on May 10, 19 9:55 AM
They covered this back in 2008. Nearly an arrest a day, lot's of high dollar impound fees, supplying records of all passing cars to the feds(in exchange for the grants). Simply a continued expansion of what started with just one scanner, which is now on all patrol cars.



License plate readers lead to rise in arrests and impounds

Dec 22, 2008 1:23 PM
By Brendan J. OReilly
The stepped-up law enforcement is the result of a new license plate reader, or LPR, that can ...more
By MoronEliminator (203), Montauk on May 14, 19 4:31 PM
Modern tolls no longer need toll booths. Tolls are collected at speed w/o tollbooths or slowing down using transponders (ezpass) and hi-speed cameras of license plates. The correct term is “congestion pricing” which means it’s calculated to REDUCE traffic by influencing commuters to avoid paying tolls and use mass transit or not driving unnecessarily at rush hours. And since it’s only at peak rush hours in both directions there is added incentives to plan timing of trips ...more
By Non-Political (115), Hampton Bays on May 10, 19 1:05 PM
again this is not a city we are talking about...non political? lol you have subsidized trains in your argument I'm out
By joeg (28), Hampton Bays on May 10, 19 4:11 PM
Wow! No one can do anything? Then its amazing that they didnt build a hotel....
By North Sea Citizen (545), North Sea on May 10, 19 4:35 PM
Actually a waterfront hotel is the type of project the Shinnecocks should probably be looking to find a partner to develop, but would probably be better located at the reservation just a short distance from Shinnecock Inlet than on Peconic Bay. Water access and dockage would be key selling points and some broad lawn areas to host weddings would be booked solid from March through November. Why let Montauk get all the business?

There are some routine jobs in the hospitality industry but ...more
By VOS (1211), WHB on May 25, 19 2:08 AM
Such an uproar about the Shinnecock Indians outsmarting the white man but nothing is said or being done about the red lit up roof top on Burger King which is against the Southampton sign law. Lets continue to persecute the Indians. I don't see any comments about boycotting Burger King.
By harbor man (45), sag harbor on May 14, 19 11:01 PM
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Thank you!
By lursagirl (226), southampton on May 15, 19 2:31 PM
Speak it! Down with the "white man"! (raised fist in the air).

You are truly a model for all enlightened, hate-free, inclusive progressives.
By NateNewtown (96), east on May 15, 19 4:20 PM
I have told my spouse to stfu about this project since I've been begging to move to the North Fork for years but noooooo....Well, here's your South Fork for you, right between the eyes, babe.
By btdt (442), water mill on May 25, 19 1:32 AM
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