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Nov 4, 2014 7:48 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

UPDATE: Bishop Concedes Race To Zeldin

Nov 5, 2014 9:37 AM

UPDATE 11:30 p.m.

Lee Zeldin took the stage for the first time as Congressman-elect to address the raucous crowd gathered inside the Emporium in Patchogue and had a very simple message: “Victory is sweet, isn’t it?”

Mr. Zeldin thanked the local party leadership that backed his campaign as well as his family, volunteers and the voters of New York’s 1st Congressional District.

“Us candidates have been asked a lot these past couple weeks about how we’re not tired,” he said. “It’s because we had events where we were able to look into your eyes and we saw your focus, your drive and that gave us all the energy in the world that we needed to win on Tuesday, November 4th.”

Mr. Zeldin lauded the many victories for other Republican challengers who won seats in the House of Representatives as well as the apparent majority his party was poised to win in the Senate as “a much needed check and balance on the agenda of Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.”

“We helped improve our towns, our county, our state and all across America we took decisive action to fix America,” he said.



Meanwhile, after Mr. Bishop left the Marriott conference room, patrons in the hotel’s bar erupted in applause and chants of “Bishop.”

To his supporters in Southampton, he said: “Getting the chance to represent them and not just my supporters but everybody has been a tremendous honor, one carried out to the best of my abilities, my staff and I, and I’m disappointed but very proud of what we’ve done over the 12 years.”

When asked if had any ideas of what he would do next, he said, “I don’t. I’m 64 yrs old and not ready to retire. I have a lot of energy. I think have something to offer. I doubt very much it will be in a political setting. But I’m an educator and a problem solver. I have a family that loves me, a ton of friends and ... we’ll see.”

UPDATE 10:55 p.m.

Mr. Thiele has been re-elected assemblyman for the 1st Assembly District in New York, with 60.31 percent of the vote over his competitors, Heather C. Collins of the Republican Party and Brian J. DeSesa of the Conservative Party.

Mr. Thiele has served in the State Assembly since 1996.

Mr. LaValle has been re-elected senator for the 1st Senatorial District in New York, with 70.44 percent of the vote over his competitor, Michael L. Conroy of the Democratic Party.

Mr. LaValle has been re-elected to the senate since 1976.

In the race for state comptroller, Mr. Di Napoli took the lead with 51.09 percent of the votes in Suffolk County.

Mr. Cahill took the lead in the attorney general race as well, with 50.62 percent of the votes in Suffolk County.

UPDATE 10:40 p.m.

Tim Bishop conceded the race to Mr. Zeldin in a speech in front of his supporters, says he called Zeldin to congratulate him.

“I’m not going to make any excuses ... I’m not going to be a sore loser,” Mr. Bishop said solemnly. “We’re going to be fine.

A supporter in the crowd said, “This can’t be.”

The Emporium crowd is erupting as Mr. Bishop’s concession speech is projected on the large screen above the stage.

Chants of “We want Lee” and “Bye bye Bishop” are repeated by the energetic crowd.

UPDATE 10:35 p.m.

Mr. Cuomo has been re-elected the governor of New York, taking the election with 64.30 percent of the vote, according to the Associated Press.

In a victory speech Tuesday night, Mr. Cuomo was visited with loud applause and many cheers of “Four more years” from supporters.

“Thank you for four more years,” Mr. Cuomo said. “We’re going to do more great things. You ain’t seen nothing yet.”

The governor highlighted many of the successes he and his administrative team saw throughout his first term, highlighting moves such as marriage equality and stricter gun laws. He also pointed out that his team passed four budgets consecutively on time and made great strides in reducing unemployment.

“Four years ago, we had 800,000 people unemployed, more than any other time since the Great Depression,” Mr. Cuomo said. “Today we have more jobs that have ever existed before in New York State.

“I feel good about what we did, and I feel good about how we did it. Our efforts were all about unifying people and growing the state,” he continued.

Mr. Cuomo also teased some of the things he plans on doing for his new term.

“We’re going to raise the minimum wage for workers. We’re going to pass the Women’s Equality Act, because discrimination is going to stop for women in New York State. We will not stop until our education system is the best in the nation because our children don’t deserve second best,” he said. “We are just getting started.”

UPDATE 10:20 p.m.

With more than three-quarters of districts reporting, Lee Zeldin maintains a 54 percent to 46 percent lead, 70,927-59,197.

UPDATE 10:15 p.m.

At just after 10 p.m., the Marriott conference hall is filling to the brim with expectant faces. Crowds are lining up in front of two big screens that flank the stage that Mr. Bishop and others will soon climb.

Keith McHugh of Patchogue decided to take tonight as an opportunity to show his disappointment toward Governor Andrew Cuomo, who he said cut $125 million in federal funding for people with autism.

“We need something akin to community campuses for adults with autism,” he said. “My son is going to outlive me and I would like to visit him here on Long Island and not in Pennsylvania.”

He said he knows that Mr. Cuomo will win, and although a Democrat himself, Mr. McHugh said he wants his fellow party members to know what Mr. Cuomo has done.

UPDATE 10:12 p.m.

With about half of votes counted, voters in Suffolk County and Southampton appear to have comfortably voted in favor of five propositions on Tuesday night’s ballot.

One of the propositions will allow Southampton Town to give a small parcel of land to Suffolk County to allow for the expansion of the Riverside traffic circle.

Another of the propositions will give county lawmakers two more years from which to borrow from a county water quality protection fund to offset other county spending, on the condition that the money be gradually returned to the water quality fund over the ensuing 10 years.

The last proposition would dissolve the County Treasurer’s office, folding its duties into the county comptroller’s role.

UPDATE 10:10 p.m.

An energized crowd awaits Lee Zeldin at the Emporium in Patchogue, with hundreds of Republican faithful wrapping around the bar, filling in the night club’s dance floor and cheering each time the a GOP-friendly vote count flashes on one of the two screens above the stage.

Southampton Town Republican Committee Chair Bill Wright said he feels good about Mr. Zeldin’s chances against incumbent Tim Bishop.

“Twelve years is a good run and people are ready for a change,” Mr. Wright said.

Rocky Point resident Vince Palifka said based on what he’s heard while working his routes as a delivery driver for UPS, there’s a groundswell of support for Mr. Zeldin, particularly on the North Fork.

“The way I see it, he was in the military, so he was willing to die for this country so he clearly is dedicated,” he said. “He’s someone with integrity and he’s a local boy.”

With cameras from local television stations on hand to capture the excitement, the atmosphere is upbeat as Republicans can sense a big night for their party.

“It’s going to be a big night for Republicans across the country,” Holtsville resident Barbara Brobenzano said.

UPDATE 10:05 p.m.

With nearly half of all districts reporting, Lee Zeldin is maintaining a 53 percent to 47 percent lead, with 44,291-39,827.

In the race for governor at the county level, incumbent Andrew Cuomo and his competitor Rob Astorino are neck-and-neck, with Mr. Astorino leading by less than a percent.

For state comptroller at the county level, Thomas D. Napoli is currently in the lead for re-election, taking 51.02 percent of the vote as of now.

For attorney general, John Cahill has a close lead, with 50.61 percent of the vote.

Only 510 of 1,052 districts have reported results so far.

UPDATE 10 p.m.

Kenneth P. LaValle is currently in the lead for his re-election in the state senate with only 85 of 212 districts reporting, 20,012-9,397.

Fred W. Thiele Jr. is in the lead as well for his re-election in the state assembly with only 41 of 90 districts reporting, 8,772-4,205.

UPDATE 9:50 p.m.

With 115 of 473 districts reporting, Mr. Zeldin leads Mr. Bishop, 53 percent to 47 percent.

Comptroller hopeful Jim Gaughran arrived at the Marriott, the Democratic headquarters on Tuesday night, constantly checking his phone.

“I’m just trying to get some numbers,” he said. “But I’m excited and hopeful.”

Interns Brianna Fachin and Karen Danser were standing amidst the growing crowd. Both women worked as interns for Mr. Bishop and they feel good about the race.

“We’re pretty confident,” Ms. Fachin said. “We worked pretty hard.

Ms. Danser said she didn’t realize how much effort goes into campaigning as she and Ms. Fachin were sent out door to door and spend lots of time on the phone.

UPDATE 9:35 p.m.

Lee Zeldin has taken an early lead with only 35 of 473 districts reporting, 5,432-5,180. Ken LaValle has 8,809 to Michael Conroy’s 3,852 with 36 of 212 districts reporting. Fred W. Thiele 2,710 to Heather Collins’s 1,289 and Brian De Sesa’a 242 votes with 14 of 90 districts reporting.

UPDATE 9:21 p.m.:

Bishop campaigner Bob Souto of Nesconsett, while watching the TV screen for results around the country, said the support for Mr. Bishop is huge but there is still cause for concern.

“The ground game is just spectacular,” he said about the campaign. “At headquarters there were hundreds of people. The parking lot was jammed. I’m worried because of the polls in Newsday and the Sienna poll. It’s always close for him. I’m worried, by I’m confident.”

With refreshment in hand, another supporter, Clinise Wheatt, said she’s been campaigning for Mr. Bishop since July and she’s gotten positive feedback about the incumbent. She said she supports him on issues like equal pay for equal work for women, his work to preserve the middle class and protect jobs, and he’s been responsive in a moving way.

“I called him with a personal concern and his personal aid called me back in less than a day,” she said. “I feel confident in his success.”

Madeline Quintyne of Amityville said Mr. Bishop is a stand-up guy who is “on point” for Suffolk County.

“He’s gotta win,” she said.

UPDATE 9 p.m.:

Just before 9 p.m., the Islandia Marriott’s conference room, where U.S. Representative Tim Bishop’s party is located, is still quiet as politicians and supporters slowly trickle in.

Suffolk County Democratic Committee Chairman Rich Schaffer, despite the calm atmosphere, said in an interview with The Press that he is cautiously optimistic.

“I’m nervous, which is the way I always feel on election nights since I was 11 years old,” he said laughing. “I am confident that we’ve done everything could do as an organization to make sure our volunteers knew the message we had to deliver and delivered it well.”

Mr. Schaffer said the Democratic Committee knew the race would be a close one “all along” because of the registration numbers, which, he said, were pretty much even.

“Tim is used to running in close races,” he added. “Particularly because it’s an off-presidential year, where turnout is lower, we have to be more focused and more strategic about who we’re talking to and how we get them out.”

But no worry, he said. Mr. Bishop has a stronghold on many voters because of his personal way of solving issues, Mr. Schaffer said.

“If you go to any part of his district you will run into individuals who Tim’s office has helped,” he said. “The reaction is very positive. He’s got personal connections to so many people that that helped overcome all the negative ads being run by outside groups.”

He finished the interview by saying Mr. Bishop will be more responsive to the needs of the district, more so than Senator Lee Zeldin, who he said is “more in line with an ideology or what he would want to see as being part of the Tea Party coalition in Congress.”

Original Story:

East Enders are heading to the polls Tuesday to cast votes on a wide variety of races ranging from the governor to the 1st Assembly District.

The most contested race on the East End is easily the congressional race, which features Southampton Village resident and U.S. Representative Tim Bishop, a Democrat seeking reelection for a sixth term to represent New York’s 1st Congressional District, and Lee Zeldin, a Republican state senator from Shirley who challenged Mr Bishop one before, and lost, in 2008.

Mr. Bishop has served as a U.S. Representative since 2003. He graduated from Southampton High School and earned a bachelor’s degree in history at Holy Cross College in Massachusetts and a master’s degree in public administration from Long Island University. Mr. Bishop worked as an admissions counselor and the provost at Southampton College for 29 years, until he won his seat in Congress. He is specifically assigned to the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, and the Committee on Education and the Workforce.

Mr. Zeldin has served in the New York State Senate since 2010. He spent four years on active duty with the U.S. Army from 2003 to 2007 and served as a military intelligence officer, paratrooper, federal prosecutor and military magistrate during that time. He was deployed in Iraq in 2006, as a member of the 82nd Airborne Division, during Operation Iraqi Freedom. He is currently a major in the U.S. Army Reserves. He ran his own law practice in Smithtown and New York City from 2008 to 2010. Mr. Zeldin unsuccessfully fought Mr. Bishop for his seat in 2008. He was elected to the State Senate in 2010 and reelected in 2012. He graduated from William Floyd High School in Mastic Beach and earned a bachelor’s degree from the State University of New York at Albany, and a law degree from Albany Law School at age 23.

While Mr. Bishop and Mr. Zeldin have the most contentious race, Assemblyman Fred W. Thiele Jr. and State Senator Kenneth P. La Valle are also on the ballot this year, but against opponents who are not running active campaigns.

Voters will also be polled on three propositions on the ballot, the heftiest one being a proposal to revise the state’s redistricting procedure. That proposition calls for reforming the process by which new state legislative and congressional district lines are drawn, an action the State Constitution requires to be done every 10 years. Currently, the State Legislature and the governor draw the lines, but the new proposition would create a special commission to determine the district lines and submit them to the legislature, which will either approve or reject them.

The second proposition on the ballot is, as Mr. Thiele described it, a “housekeeping measure.” Its purpose is to allow the electronic distribution of state legislative bills. Currently, the State Constitution requires that a physical printed copy of all bills be placed on a legislator’s desk three days before he or she votes on them. The proposition would amend the Constitution to keep up with the times, saying that electronic versions of the bills apply as well.

The third and final proposition is the Smart Schools Bond Act, which, if approved, will authorize the creation of state debt—bonds would issued to generate a total of $2 billion—to distribute to school districts, so they can invest in technology for students. That includes everything from purchasing interactive white boards and computers to installing routers for wireless and broadband internet. Districts also would be able to use the money to install high-tech security measures for school buildings.

But the proposition also allows schools to use the money to construct prekindergarten facilities—something that Mr. Thiele said he views as unnecessary, because he thinks it will benefit New York City far more than Long Island and the rest of the state.

Mr. Thiele said the proposition is problematic, because it involves borrowing and bonding rather than providing schools permanent funding that they can incorporate into annual operating expenses—an important factor, as electronic devices easily become outdated or overused within a few years.

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We haven't gone wrong with Tim Bishop yet, and we won't go wrong with Tim Bishop now. He's worked very, very hard for us as a group, on a host of fronts, and he's also done great things for a long list of individuals who've sought his help.

Lee Zeldin, on the other hand, is not fit to be a Congressman. Why? One example: His plan to privatize Social Security would destroy the program on which so many depend, because, by allowing under-40s to invest privately, it would take money away ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1965), Quiogue on Nov 4, 14 9:22 AM
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YOU'RE A 'LIL FICKLE AREN'T YOU TURKEY BRIDGE??...
(I HAVE TO GIVE YOU A THUMBS UP THOUGH FOR THE "AFTER" ELECTION COMMENT...)
BY THE WAY...IT'S BECAUSE OF THE "INDIVIDUAL THINGS HE DID FOR A LONG LIST OF INDIVIDUALS" THAT HE LOST...AND THE FACT THAT HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW SOCIAL SECURITY WORKS...AS UNFORTUNATELY...YOU DON'T EITHER...
STOP SPITTING OUT CAMPAIGN RHETORIC AND POINT THE FINGER BACK AT YOURSELF FOR DECEPTION ONCE YOU REALIZE-LEE KNOWS EXACTLY HOW TO HELP THE ELDERLY CITIZENS ...more
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 5, 14 11:06 AM
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Might be me, TB, but I am of the opinion that you wont be changing the minds of anyone on these boards.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Nov 4, 14 10:06 AM
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I heard a rumor that even bishop voted for Zeldin.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Nov 4, 14 11:16 AM
I would suggest anyone thinking of voting for Senator Zeldin take a look at what's happened in Kansas since the sweetheart of the Tea Party became governor.

Voodoo economics still doesn't work.

Bishop is far from perfect but he isn't a devout ideologue. Not that any minds reading this are likely to reconsider, but needs to be said for the record and for comparison down the road.

In any event whoever may be the candidates of your choice please get out and vote. If you ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Nov 4, 14 3:35 PM
Voting is not just a right. It's a citizen's civic duty.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 4, 14 4:46 PM
I have not visited this site for about a year, but I couldn't resist on election eve. As I suspected, the same old right wingers are still foaming at the mouth and chasing their own tails. Expected, but still sad.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Nov 4, 14 5:31 PM
And the progressives in here are not foaming at the mouth ? You said it best you have not been here in a year ( 6 months the way I see it but never the less. You have no idea whats been going on so why don't you shut the ...... !


ZELDIN BABY ZELDIN !

Your not going to come in here and call us Sad, Were taking back the Senate tonight, How do you like that! Referendum on a failed POTUS !
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 4, 14 6:42 PM
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The SAD part is that you think that somehow this will change your life and make it better. It won't. R or D, they don't care about you. They care about themselves and paying homage to the whoremasters. I challenge you to prove me wrong. With your own words, no cut and pasting, please.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Nov 4, 14 6:58 PM
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Don't let him ruin the night TCM POP the CORK !!!!!!

Nice work to all! Even you local 84, Change your life buddie walk away from that union trap if you can.

OMG OMG ... What a night!
Nov 5, 14 7:10 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
HISTORY: Republican Tim Scott First Black Sen Elected in South Since Reconstruction...
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 4, 14 7:10 PM
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Hey stay calm TCM there as bitter (and sad) they come as they realize there boy has caused this backlash, I have it on good word our little man Philly has been walking around in shock the last week. I could go back and post all the arrogant predicktions he has made the last few months but its just sad!




MCCONNELL: 'This Is Chance To Begin To Save Country'...
'Let's go out there and sock it to them!'
Republicans sense power shift...
BROWNSTEIN: Dem coalition is ...more
Nov 4, 14 6:50 PM appended by 27dan
Congratulations John Kasich and First female Senator from West Va.Shelley Moore Capito and Ed Gillespie
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 4, 14 6:50 PM
Biden Blows Greg Orman's Cover: He 'Will Be With Us'... Good move Joe

42%
A. GRIMES

56%
M. MCCONNELL*
Nov 4, 14 6:54 PM appended by joe hampton
Congratulations Senator Tim Scott nice job Sir nice job!....to Mitch the Rino MCCONNELL... A Slimes you will be fine after all you a in your words your a " Strong Kentuuuky Woman"
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 4, 14 6:54 PM
Bye Bye Timmy no more paying your daughter 300k to collect money, no more payoffs for fireworks. No more voting for Obama care. I guess the illegal alien vote never showed up for you. Help the people that pay your salary not the people that broke the law.
By chief1 (2782), southampton on Nov 4, 14 10:39 PM
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By chief1 (2782), southampton on Nov 4, 14 10:40 PM
6 terms!!. Good riddance!! What a waste.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Nov 4, 14 10:54 PM
Tim Bishop was wrong for us, as the votes show Lee Zeldin is very fit to be our Congressman. Let this be a lesson to the democrats, looking forward to a clean sweep in 2016.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Nov 4, 14 11:04 PM
News Flash GOP takes control of the Senate! The people have had enough of the Obama agenda. The democrats should learn a lesson from this. Enough is Enough!
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Nov 4, 14 11:24 PM
Rep. Bishop concedes to Lee Zeldin
BREAKING NEWS 10:53 PM
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 4, 14 11:25 PM
In the final analysis, the difference between the two candidates is that one wants to destroy the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and deprive poorer American workers of access to health care. The compassionate people of my acquaintance in New York's First Congressional District just won't do that.

We all look forward to Tim's reelection.

By highhatsize , East Quogue on Jul 20, 14 10:52 AM

In the final, final analysis you are dead wrong as usual !

Good ...more
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 4, 14 11:33 PM
Memo to Stony Brook Southampton: it's now Ok to fire the few hanger-ons, relatives and friends of the FORMER congressman. Parents, lose the overpriced daycare scam the connected wife was sucking off our teats. Old cronies of TIM'S-- get a real job, if you are qualified for any. The massive 30 year gravy train ends. In the coming months exactly how many unqualified friends of Tim have gotten checks is going to come out. And oh yeah, that investigation into the tribe.
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Nov 4, 14 11:50 PM
i just had to pop in and say congratulations to Mr Zelden and all of you die hards on this board who helped make it happen!

And most of all congratulations to joni ernst for giving us control of the senate and proving there is no war on women, proud of you girl, good luck to you !
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 4, 14 11:54 PM
High Hat, we don't want to deprive the less fortunate of health care. We just don't want to pay for the lazy asses and illegal immigrants who deprive OUR children of their chance to live the American Dream. We are the middle class --both parents working and getting eaten alive by rising health insurance and school taxes. Trying to make it work. Does that make it bad, that we need to provide for our kids?
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Nov 4, 14 11:56 PM
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You see dreams do come true y'all

Merry Christmas

And to all a goodnight.......
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 5, 14 12:00 AM
Okay so the New York State Senate has gone Republican via the promise of affordable living for the young and senior citizens. Keep taxes low and still build infrastructure. it sounds like a neat trick and let me know when we could manage to actually pull it off. I would hardly call the last 30 years of deregulation and free market fundamentalism to be a blazing success. Eisenhower Interstate bridges falling into the Mississippi and all.

Kansas looks like hell and that's Republican. I hope ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 5, 14 3:21 AM
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Bitter little anti capitalist windbag! Tim is out an Zeldin is in.
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 5, 14 6:46 AM
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Yep, and they have their rope. Let's see what they do with it. If the last thirty years is any indication, they'll hang us all. Again. If your capitalist heroes have really got what it takes, let's see them eliminate Citizens United. If they are real Americans and value the founding principles of this country, it's the first thing they should do. Unless of course, they can't part with suckling on the corporate teat like good little Federalists.

Such a gracious "winner". LOL
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 5, 14 9:38 AM
Z Look in the mirror. Income inequality has never been more prevalent than it has under the present administartion.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Nov 5, 14 10:07 AM
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So do you think that happened in the last six years?

The gap started widening during the Reagan administration. It took thirty years for the divide to get this wide. The last six years are just the fallout of previous failed policy. You remember that financial weapon of mass destruction 30 years in the making called "The Great Recession"?
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 5, 14 12:03 PM
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Donald Regan was no liberal, and neither were any of the "free marketeers" from Wendy Gramm right on up to Alan Greenspan.

Saez and Piketty's thorough and wholly academic research clearly show that the divide began an upward trend in about 1981 and it looks like a ski jump since then. We have graphs, and cold hard Fed/IRS data to back that up. You know what I love about science? The proof does not require your belief to be true.

It's a shame I can't post pictures. The graphs ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 5, 14 4:10 PM
You leave out the rise in M2 after we left the gold standard. Every time poverty allegedly dropped, there was the Fed injecting fiat currency at cut rates via the Fed window. You also leave out the debauching of our currency. Today via 25 years of massive money printing the same dollar which had the buying power of 25 cents in 1972 has the buying power of 3 cents today. In essence, what cost $4.00 in '72 requires $24 today.

By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 5, 14 8:18 PM
Excuse me gentleman just passing through on my way to grab a night cap and those left over chicken wings....


Whistle...

Night...
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 5, 14 9:27 PM
The GLBA NEVER would have passed through a Democratic Congress. It made it through the Senate with only ONE Democrat voting in favor. One.

Three Republicans authored the bill, and John Dingell (D-Michigan) dissented vehemently and predicted the bailout, much like Brooksley Born predicted unregulated derivatives would burn the economy to the ground. Face it, any time in the last thirty plus years the Republicans have had control, fewer jobs have been created, and they have averaged less ...more
Nov 5, 14 11:40 PM appended by Mr. Z
The weak link was Greenspan. "The Maestro" conducted his very own "Flying Dutchman" and played the part quite well. Isn't Greenspan a Republican too?
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 5, 14 11:40 PM
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By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 5, 14 6:46 AM
Victory isn't sweet...it is down right tasty! Good by Tim, don't let the door hit you on the way out and tell your daughter she has to get a real job now.
By Preliator Lives (431), Obamavillie on Nov 5, 14 6:46 AM
“I am not on the ballot this fall... But make no mistake: These policies are on the ballot. Every single one of them,” Barack Obama

Couldn't agree more.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 5, 14 7:18 AM
Our useless President Obama stated that this election was about his policies. Well the people have spoken and it is quite obvious based on the election results that the people across America think his policies stink! This is what happens when a president is elected even though he never held a job in his life.
By mtkfish (59), montauk on Nov 5, 14 7:39 AM
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Oh, what a beautiful morning!
By loading... (587), quiogue on Nov 5, 14 8:04 AM
Agreed loading ,Agreed!
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 5, 14 8:11 AM
Thank Goodness the crook is gone!
By The Cramped ins (7), southampton on Nov 5, 14 8:08 AM
Lets also give credit to some very good republican candidates that won this election. Congratulation to them all who won across the state. Now lets do the work for the people!
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Nov 5, 14 8:47 AM
congratulations everyone we can breathe again.
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Nov 5, 14 9:21 AM
Bishop didn't represent the majority of peoples values from our community, Cap n tax, obamacare, dream act, wealth redistribution and stimulus votes! this man was corrupt. Whether it was bribing or paying his family members off or special back door deals he was always in support of obamas radical fundamental change to destroy this Republic.

Last night faith was restored in the First District, We now have a man in Zeldin who will represent our values, take care of vets, cut taxes and stand ...more
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 5, 14 9:31 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if continuous harrassing telephone calls weren't also a factor in this race. Even my mother doesn't call my house 4 times a day during an emergency; don't call my house 4x a day for a political campaign.
By btdt (449), water mill on Nov 5, 14 9:38 AM
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Congratulations on a decisive win and good luck to Lee Zeldin. Thanks to Tim Bishop for all his service.
By Turkey Bridge (1965), Quiogue on Nov 5, 14 10:22 AM
CONGRATULATIONS TO LEE ZELDIN!!!! LOOKING FORWARD TO ALL YOUR GOOD WORK FOR THE PEOPLE OF DISTRICT 1, LONG ISLAND , NY!!!
YOU'VE LISTENED TO THE PEOPLE WHILE IN THE SENATE...NOW...ONWARD IN CONGRESS!!!
SHOW'EM HOW IT'S DONE BUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(YOU'RE THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR COUNTRY OF THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE!)
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 5, 14 10:28 AM
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By Dodger (161), Southampton Village on Nov 5, 14 11:23 AM
I'm NOT a fan of the bull-headed Lee Zeldin, but he has won and is now our Congressman-elect. I'd like to thank Congressman Bishop for serving the 1st Congressional District with the greatest of honor and professionalism.
By Dodger (161), Southampton Village on Nov 5, 14 11:23 AM
not good for the east end
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Nov 5, 14 11:40 AM
Not good....GREAT!
By Preliator Lives (431), Obamavillie on Nov 5, 14 12:18 PM
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No matter who wins, someone is disappointed and bitter. Sadly, I feel in all categories, I have to vote for the lesser of two evils. Many politicians are not honest in their personal lives, and that bothers me. I cannot separate the two. Best of luck to all that have won---but very few carry through with their promises once elected.
By Mrs.Sea (268), Sag Harbor on Nov 5, 14 12:07 PM
True words, Mrs. Sea. So hold them accountable. Maybe then they will learn. If Zeldin doesn't do a good job and becomes yet another party puppet, vote him out too. It's all the leverage we have, and all the leverage we need. Maybe one day they'll wake up and say, "Hey, maybe we should actually do something for betterment of the country instead of our party."
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 5, 14 2:51 PM
Tim Bishop was great his first two terms. I think he forgot who elected him in recent times so they threw him out.
By chief1 (2782), southampton on Nov 5, 14 2:53 PM
Zeldin has two years to demonstrate he can do the job. If he aligns with the conservative wing of the Republican party he will be gone. Much easier to criticize the incumbent then swim against the party tide. He's in the big leagues now.
By thediner (11), east hampton on Nov 5, 14 3:40 PM
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Voters have figured out that progressive policies lead to lousy economic growth, lousy rates of job creation, and stagnant or falling family incomes.

And THAT is the real problem for Democrats. The bloom is off of the progressive rose. Their entire philosophy has been repudiated.

Just work hard and stop whining, unless you are disabled stop looking for the government give you free stuff
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 5, 14 4:41 PM
Are you off your rocker?

Progressive policy did not repeal Glass-Steagall. Progressive policy did not CLANDESTINELY change the definition of a physical hedger. Progressive policy did not gut Dodd-Frank. Progressive policy did not implement unfettered mortgage securitization nor did it support the GLBA. Progressive policy did not deregulate industry and pollute our aquifers, estuaries, a or strip the tundra for tar sands. You're thinking of Libertarians/Republicans. Let's see if we ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 5, 14 5:22 PM
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It's not an error. Free market fundamentalists like Gramm were trying to repeal Glass-Steagall for easily 20 years. They finally had a Congress stupid enough to pass it, and a President foolish enough to sign it.

"The Maestro" and his fundamentalist disciples were responsible for the brainwashing, the the people never learned their history. The snake oil salesman a.k.a "The Committee to Save the World" arrogantly believed human gluttony and greed would weed itself out without being policed. ...more
Nov 5, 14 7:58 PM appended by Mr. Z
If this Congress has any loyalty to the People of this nation the first two things they should do is kill Citizens United, and repeal the GLBA. It's what most of the founders of this country would do. George Washington himself would disapprove of the two party system. They won't repeal either, because they like suckling at the corporate teat like sycophants of aristocracy.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 5, 14 7:58 PM
It's not bias, except in your narrow view. The terms are synonymous, and listed as such in a thesaurus. More jobs have been created under Democratic administrations historically, and you can't change that. You can't change the track record of the Republican caucus. Whenever they've been given enough rope they've hung us all.

Why should we expect it to be different this time?
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 5, 14 9:06 PM
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Captain why do you bother? Z is an admitted independent voter who claims he favors neither party. He is also the second coming of Adam Smith.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Nov 6, 14 1:42 AM
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I tend to favor whomever does the least damage, and accepts the least, or no dirty or dark money.

As far as accepting the most dark money this election cycle, Republicans win that hands down. Dirty as they come...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 6, 14 9:15 AM
No, it hasn't "always been that way".

Before the Civil War, lobbyists did not exist and nor did the type of fundraising we see today. The men who founded this country saw to it that corporations were barred from civic life.

Do you ever tire of being wrong?
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 6, 14 4:24 PM
Z Are you saying the Dems do the least damage and accepts the least or no dirty or dark money? Hilarious! Are the dems more pious than the repubs? Are George Soros and Tom Steyer any better than the Koch brothers? Its all the same in the end.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Nov 6, 14 4:36 PM
Statistically, booked by the numbers the country has done better economically during Democratic administrations. It's cold hard data, and rather incontrovertible.

Over the last sixty years, when Republicans have had control, fewer jobs have been created, and they have averaged less than a million per year over the course of thirty six years. Conversely, in the course of less than 23 years Democrats averaged over two million per annum.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 7, 14 9:55 AM
Z You cant be that narrow minded. One could argue the US congess has more effect on job growth then the president. After all US congress is responsible for Gvt Spending and tax policy which has enormous effects upon the economy. It is HIGHLY debatable how much effect any president (unless his party controlled the house) could have on a system as large diverse and complex as the US economy.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Nov 7, 14 5:26 PM
Presidents and the U.S. Economy: An Econometric Exploration

Alan S. Blinder, Mark W. Watson

NBER Working Paper No. 20324
Issued in July 2014
NBER Program(s): EFG


The U.S. economy has grown faster--and scored higher on many other macroeconomic metrics--when the President of the United States is a Democrat rather than a Republican. For many measures, including real GDP growth (on which we concentrate), the performance gap is both large and statistically significant, ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 7, 14 11:16 PM
Hogwash. I know you are an independent voter (yeah right) but ive been hearing this liberal talking point for some time now. It is true that in the last 36 years job growth has been better under Democrats but my point is you would be better off thanking Congress or the fed than the president. Go send Newt a thank you letter.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Nov 8, 14 7:09 AM
Obviously you weren't here this past summer. Our unemployment rate is below 2008 levels, all the while absorbing thousands illegal immigrants into our work force .Do you see any empty stores? Ask your brethren if they made good money this year? So I'm really not sure what planet you live on.
By Mets fan (1485), Southampton on Nov 5, 14 5:17 PM
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Mission Accomplished

I new Z would fly of the wall with that picture of W on the air craft carrier LOL

What a great day, LOL
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 5, 14 8:39 PM
Right.

They say right wingers are prone to delusion. Much like Reagan believed the movies he acted in were real...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 5, 14 11:42 PM
Talk about delusion, Nancy Pelosi is attributing Tuesday nights referendum on obama to voter suppression and is refusing to step down has house leader
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 6, 14 10:14 AM
Bottom line with the mid-terms is that almost 2/3 of Americans voted for none of them.

It would seem to me that would indicate the majority of the country doesn't want any of them in Washington...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 6, 14 4:34 PM
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" I have a family that loves me, a ton of friends . ." Yeah, TIm, but you won't be getting them paychecks anymore. Exactly how many friends of yours worked at the college. Tim? And sons, daughter and cousins of your friends. And of course, your own family. How many was it, exactly? Maybe 20 or 30 or 40? Or was it more?
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Nov 5, 14 9:51 PM
Congrats to Lee. Always been a standup guy. Best of luck, buddy.
By Lets go mets (377), Southampton on Nov 5, 14 10:17 PM
WHAT LANDSLIDE? Obama threatens vetoes and executive orders – including immigration reform THIS YEAR – after Americans reject him by giving Republicans historic gains in Congress
'Congress will pass some bills I cannot sign,' the president warned
He has only vetoed two minor bills since his inauguration in 2009
And 'I'll take some actions that some in Congress will not like,' Obama added, referring to threatened executive orders
Those include a bold move on immigration ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 6, 14 12:54 AM
Dico,
Ergo sum.

Nullus!

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle
By Nero (295), Sag Harbor on Nov 6, 14 8:51 AM
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Voter turnout was horrendous overall. North Carolina set a record, technically, but turnout was still poor. In 38 states, voter participation was pathetic.

I'd be so proud of a victory like that, and call it "the will of the People" where the majority chose "none of the above"...

[snicker]
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 6, 14 9:28 AM
The Democrats wouldn't even come out and support their worthless candidates
By chief1 (2782), southampton on Nov 6, 14 9:53 AM
I DON'T REALLY CARE TO BE PRESIDENT WITHOUT THE SENATE'

"I don't really care to be president without the Senate," Obama reportedly conceded in June.
Political analysts, and even some Democratic insiders, have long questioned whether President Barack Obama's frequent golf outings and extended vacations are further evidence that he has checked out on the presidency and is eager to hit the exits. In the wake of Tuesdays night's Republican romp, Democrats' suspicions that Obama is as ready ...more
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 6, 14 10:10 AM
The silence from Pelosi
Biden
Wasserman Schultz
Phil
Chuck Schumer
High Hat Size
Sure is loud
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 6, 14 10:37 AM
They will be back they just need time to try and forget how wrong they were and the arrogant stance they took in defense of this progressive train wreck .

They will get through this...hopfully with a less bitter tone when they return.
Nov 6, 14 10:44 AM appended by joe hampton
Now we can lean FORWARD as a nation and compromise on to KEYSTONE!
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 6, 14 10:44 AM
philip is out there lurking, he changed his picture, don't you feel his presence since Tuesday, breathing heavy on the side line just seething

By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 6, 14 10:29 PM
Keystone.

You mean the oil pipeline they plan to run near, and under freshwater reservoirs? The town where fracking was invented just banned it. California aquifers are poisoned. Radioactive radium is polluting Pennsylvania waterways. People can set their tap water on fire, who have had perfectly good well water for decades. Fueling the world on poison is a fool's errand.

Petroleum is poison, and the birth of Big Oil was baptized in corruption, fraud, bigotry, and the violation ...more
Nov 7, 14 8:48 AM appended by Mr. Z
EDIT: "cannabis prohibition could be implemented and hemp/biomass fuels could be eliminated as a market competitor."
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 7, 14 8:48 AM
Why were voters so uninspired? Could it be the reality of things? In other words, Hope and Change has run its course and now voters don't have motivation to run out and support more of the same. This election was an absolute slap down of the Obama Admins failures. Will he adjust and compromise now? I doubt it. He'll come out swinging and defiantly go against the will of the people ans shove amnesty down our throats. The fundamental transformation of America will then be near completion. Barack Obama's ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 6, 14 12:08 PM
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Come on, the recovery has been great for Wall Street, corporate America is posting record profits, and all stock indices are doing fantastically. Fifty months of straight job growth, and at least 60%of the country grosses 50K or less per annum.

Maybe that last part is the problem. Hope and change ran headlong into the storied wall of entrenched Capitol culture.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 6, 14 4:15 PM
Al Sharpton attempted to defend President Barack Obama from criticism that he was a major factor in the Republican’s sweeping victory in the midterm elections by blaming the Clintons on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Thursday.

BS, I will take Hillary of this Arrogant Racist Spite Monger any day!
Nov 6, 14 5:20 PM appended by 27dan
BS, I will take Hillary over this Arrogant Racist Spite Monger any day!
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 6, 14 5:20 PM
Voter apathy and an electorate that is growing more distrustful of our elected political leaders seems more and more apparent. With governments that we no longer can afford will newly elected political leaders be able to make the tough unpopular decisions speaking the truth and bring us back to the values and principles in which we were founded on? The negative campaigning I believe has taken its toll on the American voter, I hope we are nearing an end to this kind of behavior and I hope Americans ...more
By dglover (9), Brookhaven on Nov 6, 14 1:23 PM
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Well, this Congress elect took more dark and dirty money than any other in American History.

Somehow I don't see the repeal of Citizen's United or the GLBA in our immediate future...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 6, 14 4:17 PM
Tell you what... you agree to go back to everyone gets one vote on Election day at a polling place verified by the proper ID ...

and then we will talk about Citizens United !
Nov 6, 14 5:06 PM appended by joe hampton
Sixty votes were needed you did not have them get over it already!
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 6, 14 5:06 PM
How does it really feel to back the party elected by a minority of the country, because the majority of it is so disgusted they didn't vote and chose "none of the above"?

The massive amount of dark and dirty money, attack and negative ads that border on felonious, all the campaign tactics based on fear and anger. BTW, I have never voted without presenting my ID. Of course, that ID was via a privilege and was not a requirement incurring a fee which is tantamount to a poll tax.

If ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 6, 14 5:19 PM
Z, what's better under Obama's watch? Healthcare insurance? No. Poverty? No. Immigration? Lol. This guy refuses to secure the border. Something that can be done. Something we have laws for. Foreign policy? Uh... Fail. The economy? Sure Wall Street is doing fine while too many are under-employed or working two and three jobs. What did you expect people to do? This election was all about frustration with a failed president and those who marched to his drum.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 6, 14 7:55 PM
And what did the Dems offer? War on women. Contraception. Same sex marriage. Diversions and nothing more, because they know that the big and important issues were the things that they failed at. The Dems got the slap they deserved regardless of whatever ideological hatred of the right some people have. That invasion on the southern border alone is gross negligence. Do your jobs!
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 6, 14 7:59 PM
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Health care depends on what state you're in. Considering you're in one of the most expensive markets in the country, outrageous prices for just about anything are pretty much the norm. Keeping your plan was one thing. The market price corrections, well the market spoke and in many cases overreacted.

For reference, I let go of my trusty old Subaru, and got slapped with a tidy price increase and lost what was described to me as a "grandfathered" rate when I got my new ride.

Frankly, ...more
Nov 6, 14 9:22 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, when have we ever secured the border in our lifetimes? Our boys are too busy fighting on the other side of the world. IMHO, we should make the southern border the responsibility not only of the border patrol, but a team effort with our standing military.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 6, 14 9:22 PM
It is truly unfortunate when 2/3 of registered voters stay away from the polls, I attribute to the negative campaigning and the seemingly low opinion that we have of our elected leaders. Would a constitutional amendment that limits the time a citizen can hold public office be the answer? Would Americans favor ending the day of career politicians?
By dglover (9), Brookhaven on Nov 6, 14 10:03 PM
What we need to do is go back to our Democratic-Republican roots. The Jeffersonian Era was a cementing of the rejection of "Old World" politics and feudalistic society. The Federalist Party was soundly rejected by our early citizenry, and for good reason. They were the party of the "Old World". Our founding rejected the oligarchy corporate involvement in government/monarchy led to (Think Dutch East India/British Crown). Our founding rejected aristocracy. Our founding created the "middling ...more
Nov 7, 14 12:06 AM appended by Mr. Z
"Who the **** are you people?" ~ John Stewart
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 7, 14 12:06 AM
I don't know, Z. There are radicals and downright idiots on both sides. Pelosi and Reid don't get a pass here, and it rocks me to the core that those two had so much power. It's a two way street, and radicals on both sides seem to have the loudest voices. Simple analogy: I have a broken car. Robby Republican tried but couldn't fix it. I hired Dave Democrat who promised he would. He actually made it worse, but kept blaming it on Robby Republican. I went to Don Democrat for help, but he just agreed ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 7, 14 7:35 AM
You can keep the leash as short as you want, but the People are not in control. Haven't been for a very long time. The aristocracy/elite are in control, and the dark/dirty money in this midterm proves it. In over 90% of the races, the people who spent the most money on advertising and attack ads won their seats.

I just can't find a shred of pride in any of that.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 7, 14 8:37 AM
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Well that's a larger, deeper conversation that addresses who "we" are as Americans. Perhaps these politicians know their audience. That's entirely possible, and rather scary. Remember, your one well thought out vote is offset by some idiot who thinks Tim Bishop wants to take away his gun, or Lee Zeldin wants to put hand grenades in women's mailboxes. It's a rare day day where anyone offers actual policy or solution. Why? It's boring and way too many of us would rather watch Jerry Springer. That's ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 7, 14 9:00 AM
That last sentence is no way to live. Neither is fear, uncertainty, or doubt. There were some great Mellencamp lines I recall:

The simple minded
And the ill informed
Can be easily led astray
And those that cannot connect the dots
Hey look the other way
People believe what they want to believe
When it makes no sense at all
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 7, 14 9:59 AM
Of course it's no way to live, and that was tongue in cheek. I stand by the rest of it though... we are on the wheel and accept what is offered, then it becomes the norm, then they up the ante, we accept it, and so on... Then anyone who speaks rationally and with common sense gets shouted down for being different.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 7, 14 10:20 AM
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Black GOP Senator Blasts Democratic 'Race-Baiting
NOV. 6, 2014, 11:37 AM
Sen. Tim Scott (R-South Carolina), the first black senator elected in the South since the Reconstruction era, is no fan of racially tinged Democratic attacks on his party.

"The lowest common denominator of fear and race-baiting is something that the other party has tried to do, and the voters said 'No.' They rejected this," Scott said during a Wednesday night interview
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 6, 14 4:52 PM
Do you think GOP should bear in mind that nearly 2/3 of the voting public did not vote for them when they say they are "obeying the will of the people"?

Seems to me, the majority of the country doesn't want you...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 7, 14 1:13 AM
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You really are going crazy with this aren't you. Maybe you should go to the movies or Christmas shopping anything to clear you mind. It seems like you are in alot of turmoil over the people rejecting your philosophy,

Its not healthy, Go fishing or something its over.

Phil is obviously keeping himself occupied maybe you should take some time off also
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 7, 14 2:36 AM
Just dealing in reality and facts. You should try it sometime.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 7, 14 8:34 AM
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bye bye Timmy boy :D
By Jaws (243), Amity Island on Nov 6, 14 11:54 PM
Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy
ByBrendan JamesPublishedApril 18, 2014, 10:43 AM EDT


A new study from Princeton spells bad news for American democracy—namely, that it no longer exists.


Asking "[w]ho really rules?" researchers Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page argue that over the past few decades America's political system has slowly transformed from a democracy into an oligarchy, where wealthy elites wield most power.

Using data ...more
Nov 7, 14 1:26 AM appended by Mr. Z
"It's never been conservative vs. liberal. It's always been aristocracy vs. democracy." ~ John Fugelsang
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 7, 14 1:26 AM
Nobody votes, because you have a president that thinks gay marriage, and helping law breaking illegal immigrants is very important. How about helping people that pay taxes and actually work for a living.
By chief1 (2782), southampton on Nov 7, 14 6:48 AM
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Well we do have a priority issue here. Diversions work and get people talking and thinking about ancillary issues that draw emotion.
ie. Dems - war on women / legal pot
ie. Repubs - abortion / guns
Any good business knows how to prioritize, but our govt sure isn't operating a good business.
As far as same sex marriage goes... it will be here and a non-issue soon enough. Nobody is asking for special rights here. They are asking for the same rights. I've never known, "I love you ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 7, 14 9:08 AM
"Nobody votes" because they're sick and tired of their vote not really counting in so many ways. They are discouraged by the fact this once fledgling republic has become an oligarchy. They're apathetic regarding our D- grade infrastructure. The people are sick and tired of government for sale, and don't believe in it anymore.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 7, 14 12:15 PM
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President Barack Obama nomanates Loretta Lynch the U.S. attorney in Brooklyn, to succeed the man Eric Holder as attorney general.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Oh man. I love me some Obama when he does S* he knows is going to drive the Teatrolls into a frothin at da mouth tizzy and create all sorts of havoc for them.You wanted control of the Senate? Well, you gots it! Have fun with this one, bchs!"

Drive them f 'n nuts, BO. Make them so outrageously pizzed that they haven't even the faintest ...more
Nov 7, 14 11:42 AM appended by local 84
Now stop the Kanka Barack and close them borders !
By local 84 (348), riverhead on Nov 7, 14 11:42 AM
Captn America, I think you should move to the Villages in central Florida. 100,000 people read only the Republican slant in their local paper, listen to Republican slant on TV and Radio (yes they still have radio and it is piped out to the streets around the Squares), and they all get to attend Republican only candidates at election time. Meanwhile I spend my time wondering what will happen in 15 to 20 years from now when there will be no pensions for the average family. Will America's Friendliest ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Nov 7, 14 12:26 PM
LOL!

American Bible-Thumper Travels To Scandinavia, Freaks Out After Discovering How Secular They Are (VIDEO)


"Pastor Marty McLain, who describes his religious belief as deriving from a literal interpretation of the Bible, was given the opportunity to see how secular Scandinavia is by a documentary series called The Norden. The concept is simple: find narrow-minded Americans and throw them into countries like Norway, Sweden and Denmark and watch them have panic attacks. It ...more
Nov 7, 14 11:30 PM appended by Mr. Z
The $9 Billion Witness: Meet JPMorgan Chase's Worst Nightmare
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 7, 14 11:30 PM
fun?

no silly fun was tuesday night,

did you miss it ?
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 8, 14 12:22 AM
Nope. Had a front row seat to apathy, and the selling out of our democracy.

That's no fun at all...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 10, 14 11:48 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 8, 14 9:21 AM
Thats right the US is ignorant. Thats how Obama got elected by lies and ignorance. Phil you constantly post internet stories, and take them as fact. The truth is Dems and Republicans are only interested in their own pockets not helping ordinary Americans.
By chief1 (2782), southampton on Nov 8, 14 9:26 AM
Let me rephrase : There are a lot of ignorant folks in the USA due to the fact that our public schools are nothing more than LIBERAL INDOCTRINATION CENTERS!! We're churning out fools with no clue as to geography, politics, civics or US history. They know all about Columbus being a racist and our Founding Fathers being evil Christians though. I see that there are still some anger issues in regard to the drubbing Barry Soetoro's policies took. Buh by L'il Tim!
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 8, 14 9:43 AM
for those of you who have been at counseling for the last week, here is some of what you may have missed

I heard a rumor that even bishop voted for Zeldin.


By Mr. Snerdley (120), Southampton on Nov 4, 14 11:16 AM
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Frank Wheeler, joe hampton, Captn America, They call me, Tennyson, realistic, marlinspike, Preliator Lives, widow gavits
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 8, 14 12:15 PM
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Columbus was a murdering psychopath, and a slaver who committed genocide.

Ask a Taino, if you can find one...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 8, 14 6:59 PM
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Morning all...

Whats that smell B F
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 8, 14 11:35 AM
Rome burning?
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 8, 14 7:57 PM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"My all time favorite election bloviation, courtesy of hhs:

'to They call me:

....Whatever the 2014 results, NONE of the new senators will be Tea Party members. That lunatic ideology is a spent force, thank god.'
By highhatsize (2133), East Quogue on Mar 24, 14 6:01 AM"
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Kindly substantiate your belief (I'd modify "belief" with "ignorant" were it not ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 8, 14 12:43 PM
to Captn America:

["sigh"] No, Captn, it has nothing to do with the definition of the word "members".

My March 24th post was a comment on the outcome of the Republican senatorial primary elections in which EVERY SINGLE CHALLENGER BACKED BY THE TEA PARTY LOST TO AN ORTHODOX REPUBLICAN. Not one of the newly-elected freshman senators had Tea Party backing in the primary, for which, as I said, we all thank god.

Back into the kiddie pool, Captaininny! (The only venue where ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 8, 14 7:05 PM
11% approval rating.

96.4% election rate.


This is your brain on modern media...
Nov 8, 14 10:06 PM appended by Mr. Z
"re-election". Dang speech to text.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 8, 14 10:06 PM
to Captn America:

Quote:

“No hhs, your words were very clear...

'Whatever the 2014 results, NONE of the new senators will be Tea Party members. That lunatic ideology is a spent force, thank god.'"
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You are right, Captn, my words were very clear, particularly the words "new senators" (i.e. first-termers), as opposed to "old senators” (i.e., those currently serving.) ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 9, 14 8:33 AM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"1) NONE of the NEW Republican senatorial primary candidates who were supported by the Tea Party won."
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Incontrovertibly true. There was NO Republican primary for senate in Arkansas since the position was uncontested.

Nevertheless, I did overlook Tom Cotton's accession. Lamentably, one more lunatic True Believer will be added to the senate roster in January (as opposed to six normal ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 9, 14 7:24 PM
to Captn America:

Just as in the case of Tom Cotton, Joni Ernst did not face a mainstream Republican opponent. Tom Cotton ran unopposed, and Joni Ernst competed against four other candidates, none of whom was the mainstream Republican standard bearer. (Ernst herself was endorsed by Mitt Romney.) In both cases, it is highly questionable whether the extremist ideologies that the victors espouse are representative of their constituents' politics.

Nonetheless, I WAS mistaken. Two ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 10, 14 8:23 PM
to Captn America:

What childish prattle.

Here's my original UNEDITED statement:

“to They call me:

'I think we are going to crush them [Tea Party candidates] everywhere,” Mr. McConnell, the Senate Republican leader, said in an interview ... I don’t think they are going to have a single nominee anywhere in the country.' - NY Times, March 8, 2014

Whatever the 2014 results, NONE of the new senators will be Tea Party members. That lunatic ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 11, 14 3:23 PM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"I've named two of them [elected Tea Party senatorial candidates] hhs and could probably find more.
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Don't tell us what you COULD do, Captn, DO! (And don't forget to substantiate your assertions by citation.)

Quote:

"So where can one 'join' the tea party hhs?"
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Well, there's the principle Tea Party (accessible online) ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 12, 14 9:12 AM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"Oh, almost forgot... Senator-elect Ben Sasse... Anything else?"
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Why, yes, Captn, the citations showing him to be a member of the Tea Party. You know, the PROOF that I asked for in my last post. (You always have a problem with this part.)

(Mitch McConnell breathes an enormous sigh of relief.)

By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 12, 14 5:42 PM
to Captn America:

Seriously, Captn? I have twice asked, specifically, for supporting citations and you do no more than reiterate your own sophomoric opinion?

Here's my own reiteration in response, "The fact that Tea Party enthusiasts endorse a candidate doesn't make him one of them."

Bye. Stay wet!
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 13, 14 2:08 AM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"So then why does the left attack them as if they are one of them?"
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Moderates criticize (some of) them because they are extremists, not bomb-throwing fanatics like true-believing Tea Partiers (perhaps), but extremists nonetheless. They differ from those faithful, however, in that they refuse to endorse some of the truly lunatic ideas of full-blooded Tea Partiers (like Ted Cruz's plan to “cure” ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 13, 14 9:21 AM
o Captn America"

Quote:

"[Cruz's] plan to cure the debt does not include default."
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Actually, Ted's filibuster in February, 2014 would have forced a default had the SANE Republican senators not voted to shut him up.

Quote:

"Lee Zeldin is NOT in the Tea Party but you've repeatedly labeled and attacked him as such. You are contradicting yourself (again)."
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No, ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 14, 14 9:32 AM
to Captn America:

Do you LIKE being a fool?

Once again, you have posted a verbose and irrelevant citation that SIMPLY DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR ASSERTION.

I have NEVER said that Lee Zeldin is a member of the Tea Party.

Why do you keep doing this?

Quote:

"[You] certainly have addressed Zeldin in a fashion that by default of your definition places Zeldin (in your mind) in the [Tea Party] category ..."
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THIS ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 14, 14 1:24 PM
This just in. . . .

After a week in hidding, a defiant HHS and Philth@home refuse to give concession speech as expected

Developing . . . .
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 8, 14 12:58 PM
Nope. They were elected because voters have had enough of Obama's failures, ineptitude, lies, and ideology.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 8, 14 3:00 PM
Semantics Phiily.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 9, 14 7:18 PM
hmm, think i'll go get a donut ....

See you all later
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 8, 14 6:01 PM
Don't forget the cider...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 8, 14 7:52 PM
giggle
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 9, 14 1:56 AM
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By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 9, 14 6:41 AM
Phil, what do your last posts have to do with the FACT that your boy Barry's policies were on the ballot , to quote Dear Leader Himself, and were soundly defeated? His neo Marxist philosophy didn't play in Peoria, or on Long Island for that matter. You have to face it eventually, liberalism is an abject failure.
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 9, 14 7:19 AM
Phil, you still believe that this President is trying to find common ground? If you do you are either brain washed or profoundly dishonest. One of the many problems with Obama is he is tone deaf. Not a good trait in anyone. A particularly alarming trait in a President. He said his policies were on the ballot, and those policies got slapped down. How does he respond? Defiance. Hostility. Threats. Denial. Stubbornness. I count the days until this clown leaves office. I hope like heck we have better ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 9, 14 10:23 AM
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obama flashback: ‘If you don’t like my policies, go out there and win an election.’

On October 17, 2013. The government shutdown, during which obama’s government had locked veterans out of their own memorials and shut down self-sufficient businesses in national parks, had just ended.

obama reacted by challenging his opponents to win elections.

WE RESPONDED... CHALLENGE ACCEPTED BABY !
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 9, 14 11:55 AM
DAVID GERGEN: Obama's Message Is "I'm Going To Spit In Your Face on Immigration, Now Let's Compromise"
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 9, 14 12:38 PM
During Obama's lunch with congressional leaders on Fri. Harry Reid, about to lose his grip on the upper chamber, barely said a word. The aide said at one point as the House Speaker was making an argument on immigration, Obama responded that his patience was running out,Joe Biden interrupted to ask how long Republicans needed. Obama angrily cut Biden off, the aide said he then gave him a look that ended that line of discussion,

All alone in his defiant little world it seems.
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 9, 14 1:09 PM
It makes my eyes cross. Who wants this Executive order amnesty? Put it to popular vote and it would lose by a lot. My guess over 65%. This is absolute madness and Obama's refusal to secure that border is gross negligence. For what? 1 party dominance. That's worth selling out Americans. And who will bare the burden? The middle class, as usual. The man who was going to unite the country with charm and progressive ideas has done his best to wreck it. Worse, he does so with an arrogance that enters ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 9, 14 1:21 PM
Unemployment rate by race Oct 2014
Black or African American 10.9%
Hispanic or Latino 6.8%
And executive order on the horizon. Who's that going to help? Black or African American voters may want to rethink those unwavering allegiances.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 9, 14 1:42 PM
Nobody has a mandate. They have a responsibility. This President barfed that up a while ago. So now we have a new set of people who get their chance to succeed or barf. You already wrote them off, which pretty much makes you a hypocrite. After all, you claimed how nobody was giving the President a chance and hoping for failure. Who's hoping for failure now Philly?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 9, 14 4:55 PM
If trickle down is not an abject failure, how do you explain 1857, 1873, 1929, or 2008?

Horse and Sparrow = horse**** economics
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 11, 14 1:04 AM
Hmmmm taking over the Senate , adding Governors and adding to the majority in the House does not add up to voting for progressive policies by any stretch of the imagination. This drubbing was nation wide, I mean Illinois, your boys' home state voted in a Republican Governor! Arkansas , carpetbagger Clintons' home state went Republican ! Face it all the Daily Kos C&Ps you can drum up won't change the FACTS. Oh yeah L'il Tim got beaten by double digits , can't forget that.
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 9, 14 8:24 AM
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What happened Phil, did you go on vacation the last few days after the elections? Z was the only one with any courage to keep posting. Now you come back with the usual cut and paste garbage. Get your second wind did ya?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 9, 14 4:56 PM
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Bill Moyers Bahh... Who Next Ward Churchill

What amazes me is your arrogance and contempt for the voice of the people.

This was a very unequivocal election. It was not nuance... it was across the board. It was everywhere, a mandate

It's blatantly unconstitutional for a president to unilaterally suspend the enforcement of such a extremely important law.

Immigration is sort of one of the basic elements of a country's sovereignty, and to undermine It unilaterally ...more
Nov 9, 14 12:11 PM appended by joe hampton
More than anything else this election was a referendum on federalism and how much political power ought to reside in Washington instead of the states... There is no doubt the 10th amendment won decisively
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 9, 14 12:11 PM
"It never ceases to amaze me what the rabid lefties will categorize as crazy, or far right."

...or how surprising it is to them that their representatives lost their jobs.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 9, 14 7:15 PM
36% of the country actively voting is not a mandate.

However, 64% of the country abstaining is...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 10, 14 1:04 PM
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Well....perhaps now we will actually hear a position in immigration from Lee Zeldin besides.......build a wall.
Come on Lee, what are you going to do about the 12-15 million undocumented who are gainfully employed in the United States by many of your very own supporters.
This will be fun to watch!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Nov 9, 14 2:25 PM
Sour grapes Philly. The people spoke and you don't like the outcome. How surprising. The next two years are going to be very painful for you.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 9, 14 4:53 PM
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Meh - he's just doing what party puppets do and following blindly. Couldn't be that the American electorate disagrees with the Obama Admin, right? Couldn't possibly be that.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 9, 14 4:57 PM
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36% of the country voted in the recent election.

64% of the people have spoken.

"None of the Above"
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 10, 14 1:06 PM
Voter apathy is nothing new. Midterm elections tend to average right around 40% so not really a huge downturn.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 10, 14 3:31 PM
Rwanda has double the voter turnout.

The apathy isn't the issue. The reason for it is.

The majority of People don't believe in government any longer in this country. That's kind of a big problem, if you think about it...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 10, 14 11:26 PM
You can quote statistics until you're blue in the face.

At best, not even half of the country turns out. That still puts at the rock bottom of the list, no matter the "system".
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 11, 14 12:04 AM
Z, my point is that it has been like that for a long time, not just this election. It is intellectually disingenuous to suggest that Republicans only got in because of "none of the above" . They got in because the dems were worse in the eyes of the voters.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 11, 14 10:00 AM
The last time it was this low, a good portion of the population had, or was shipped out to fight WWII.

Simply put, one cannot postulate that there is a "mandate" or a "message" because you were elected by a turnout which consisted of less than a third of the population. That is simply ludicrous, lunacy, and I'll chip for insane when maybe 1/5 of the nation voted for your party, and one believes that it's some massive victory. That's less than 20% of eligible voters in favor...
Nov 11, 14 4:49 PM appended by Mr. Z
I would not have stones to call it victory. It's abject failure across the board regarding the support of this government by it's people.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 11, 14 4:49 PM
Z,the numbers aren't all that different. I have looked at several different sources. Agree to disagree I guess.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 11, 14 7:42 PM
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By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 11, 14 8:08 PM
Just my analysis of the entire, pathetic media fueled debacle.

Doesn't matter whether you like it or not, nor does what you think I mean in the deep recesses of your own mind matter to me in any way shape or form.

Less than one fifth of the population is not the will of the people nor is it a "mandate". Please do get over it.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 11, 14 8:08 PM
Get over what Z? I'm not the one changing the argument. You made the assertion that Republicans only won because people didn't show up to vote. I argued that roughly the same people show up to vote at all midterms. Not a big deal really. If low voter turnout resulted in the Dems winning you might not be so upset about it. Off to climate change I guess.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 12, 14 6:16 AM
OK....what does that exactly mean? "pathway to legalization"? I guess now that you got your guy elected, moderate views on the undocumented are Ok???
Sooo...Again....."Come on Lee, what are you going to do about the 12-15 million undocumented who are gainfully employed in the United States by many of your very own supporters."
This support from you-all on the far right on immigration will be fun to watch!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Nov 10, 14 10:34 AM
not too hard native, give them all work visas, they should have to go home for 2 weeks a year to renew the visas, they should have to get legal driver's licenses or ID from this country as well as pay their taxes and workmans compensation if they own a business. At the end of a 10 year span if they do not have any felony arrests they should be allowed to apply for permanent citizenship. And close the borders tomorrow for good
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Nov 10, 14 4:47 PM
Let's see, government regulation and oversight of the speech/content of the internet what could go wrong with this plan ? "The Internet should remain free and open which is why the FCC should regulate it." Do you even hear yourself barack ?

Fortunately, the GOP adults will shortly be in charge.Their priorities should be passing laws to:

* Forever keep the FCC away from the internet

* Forever keep the EPA away from CO2

* Forever keep the ACA away from my health ...more
Nov 10, 14 5:21 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
C-O-N-T-R-O-L ! It is and always has been what liberals crave, adore and lust after ... A-L-W-A-Y-S ! First regs, regs, regs, then agencies agencies agencies, then taxes, taxes, taxes, taxes, taxes. What they really want is the power to SHUT YOU UP. DO NOT LET THEM DO IT.
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 10, 14 5:21 PM
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Right. Because we don't need to stop fracking (*note that Denton, Texas just banned it). We don't need to stop using the worst greenhouse gas on the planet as a "clean" fuel. We don't need to stop dumping CO2 into the atmosphere, which reduces the pH of the oceans. It's perfectly ok for energy companies to dump tons of coal ash into river systems and estuaries. The pH of the ocean will drop below 8 during most of our lifetimes.

Anyone who doesn't think anthropogenic carbon is a problem ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 10, 14 11:40 PM
but but but dissent is patriotic, I read it on the bumper of a Prius when George W Bush was president! The libs are all for free speech, as long as they agree with it! Just research Phils' posts!
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 10, 14 6:03 PM
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I remember those bumper stickers they were right in between the ones that said

End T/less his WAR !

and BUCK FUSH!

Such nice militant folks those progressives are!
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 10, 14 6:41 PM
What a delusional thing to say, What was raciest about what Cap said... I cant wait to here this twisted spin
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 10, 14 10:57 PM
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<- - - - - - - - - - If this does not say it all I do not know what does!
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 10, 14 11:13 PM
Such nice militant Christian folk in this country overall:

"Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle."

Psalms, 144:1
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 10, 14 11:18 PM
Have y'all been tested for chlorovirus yet?

Sounds like we've got an epidemic around here...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 11, 14 12:30 AM
Sesquipedalian.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 11, 14 4:36 PM
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How about both parties remove the campaign signs littering our streets. Zeldin's are everywhere in East Hampton.
By harbor (411), East Hampton on Nov 10, 14 11:55 PM
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When the last of the morons take the Kerry / Edwards bumper stickers of there Volvo's and Subaru's

Thats when !
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 11, 14 1:24 AM
"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” says Jonathan Gruber, the MIT economist who helped write Obamacare. “And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.”
By loading... (587), quiogue on Nov 11, 14 10:28 AM
"YOU HAVE TO PASS THE BILL TO FIND OUT WHATS IN IT"

"Obamacare architect" Jonathan Gruber recently said Obamacare only passed due to the "stupidity" of the American voter and a lack of "transparency," and video footage of his remarks was deleted from the internet.

Gruber said:
This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure [the Congressional Budget Office] did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. OK? So it's written to do ...more
Nov 11, 14 12:55 PM appended by joe hampton
Before HHS starts sniffling Snopes
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 11, 14 12:55 PM
omg,

if that stuff you guys just posted is true how can it not be blaring on the news 24 - 7

if i am understanding this correctly we were duped and the administration was fully complicit and in it up to it ears

the deception of this administration seems to never stop !
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 11, 14 1:04 PM
So you mean to tell me, out of all the stuff that's ever been put on the internet, THIS is the only thing ever successfully deleted? Going to go on a limb and call BS

"and video footage of his remarks was deleted from the internet."
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Nov 11, 14 2:21 PM
It will be interesting to see what changes will come (if any)...Everyone is screaming enough of Obama policy failures...well lets see what happens now...Lets see what progress we make between now and 2016. The next two years are going to be interesting to say the least.
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Nov 11, 14 11:43 AM
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You are including Obama himself in that equation, correct?
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Nov 11, 14 12:06 PM
Nice try but this is only the beginning we need to remove this socialist radical from parts unknown...

along with his Iranian born consiliari and the network behind her!
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 11, 14 12:44 PM
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"Update from Brownbackistan: New numbers show Kansas’ budget woes are even worse than initially realized

One week after Kansas narrowly reelected right-wing Gov. Sam Brownback, the state's outlook worsens"
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 11, 14 5:13 PM
We'll see if that "economic growth" they anticipate occurs.

It's either that, or Kansas declares bankruptcy. Most likely, after at least one more credit downgrade. The beauty of Kansas is that it's horse & sparrow in a test tube. So far, it's failing miserably and they're headed for $1 billion in debt...

By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 11, 14 9:59 PM
"We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace--business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 11, 14 11:00 PM
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The Demokratz lost, the end!
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 11, 14 7:11 PM
well, ok
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 11, 14 9:15 PM
Breaking: China agrees climate change needs to be addressed, and anthropogenic carbon is a major component.


'Major Milestone': U.S., China Announce Climate Breakthrough
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 11, 14 11:55 PM
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Yeah Obama agreeing with COMMUNIST CHINA, no surprise there. Pretty nice deflection Mr Z, you have spun the discussion from the Demokratz getting their posteriors handed to them to China and global warming, nice bit of fancy footwork. Doesn't change the FACT that the House and Senate are in Republican hands , thank God, and Barry is hamstrung starting in January. Maybe then He will finally work for the people and compromise .
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 12, 14 7:07 AM
This matters because the debate over Obamacare continues next year in the Supreme Court

The deceptions Gruber was admitting can be explained this way: First, Obamacare’s authors gamed the CBO to make the bill’s cost look a lot smaller. Also, Obamacare’s authors disguised a middle-class tax hike as a non-tax provision. Finally, Gruber admitted that Obamacare was made so complex in order to hide one of its central purposes: redistributing money from the healthy and low ...more
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 12, 14 9:51 AM
If you don't believe carbon pollution is a problem, I hope you don't enjoy seafood. Your problem is how you like to label things in black and white, when the entire world is bathed in shades of grey.

Republicans have proven rather conclusively it's "my way, obstruction, or the highway" in their little worlds. Boehner and McConnell have already slammed the agreement as a "war on coal", which is simply posturing, scare tactics, and a weak attempt at grandstanding.

The empirical ...more
Nov 12, 14 12:20 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, just because it bears mention, 20% of the nation voting in favor of your party and calling it a "mandate" is not only pathetic, it's just blind and stupid. The other 80% of the country is apparently disgusted, or just doesn't want you...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 12, 14 12:20 PM
It's not an attack on the middle class. That's fear, bull****, and people grubbing for political power and money talking. What these accords are is the evolution of the free market and science. Clean, non-carcinogenic power is the future. Fossil fuels power the world with poison.

There was a time when we stopped whaling for fuel. There was a time when we stopped deforestation for fuel, and traded it for coal. There have been multiple shifts in economy and means over time, which cost ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 12, 14 1:40 PM
I have enough opportunity here for this to be a jumping off point. Who said I'm never leaving?

If we don't turn the page, the planet we have come to know will be forfeit. Do you know why there are Steeler fans almost everywhere in the nation? When USS tanked in the eighties it was quite the exodus. Don't for one second think people won't relocate, or adapt to find work. Isn't that what your average hardcore conservative advice usually is?

"Suck it up and cope"

~ ...more
Nov 12, 14 4:02 PM appended by Mr. Z
Also bear in mind that green is high tech, and high risk. Just ask Jostein Eikeland...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 12, 14 4:02 PM
Gallup: DEMS PLUNGE TO RECORD LOW
11/12/14 6:17 AM

By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 12, 14 8:48 PM
And at least 80% of the voting public did not cast ballots for Republicans...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 12, 14 9:14 PM
'We Will Only Get Louder': Dozens of Communities Vote to Boot Big Money from Politics

Written by Deirdre Fulton

Huge margins back up claim that 'nearly all Americans share the sentiment that corporations should not have the same rights as people'

Citizens in dozens of communities voted overwhelmingly on Tuesday for their legislators to pass a constitutional amendment to overturn the U.S. Supreme Court’s Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission decision, ...more
Nov 12, 14 10:57 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Conservatives" once again demonstrate their intellectual mettle by being outraged at the performance of "Fortunate Son" at the "Concert for Valor". As usual, manufactured outrage. Or, just plain stupidity, really...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 12, 14 10:57 PM
You should put that occupy mask on lady liberty, you know you want to...
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 13, 14 1:00 PM
I think you need to re-read 1984.

That is, if you've ever read it at all...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 13, 14 5:13 PM
Tim Bishop announces new Government Position. From Tim's previous quote.
"Just call me the Mailman" "Just delivered 5 Large".
Still retains all benefits of Gov't employee and remains on payroll, deliverin' "the goods".............We knew he'd find something "familiar" to keep him busy....
Congratulations Timbo and best of luck in your new job!!
By WEK (12), southampton on Nov 12, 14 8:32 AM
Gallup: DEMS PLUNGE TO RECORD LOW
11/12/14 6:17 AM

Favorability for the Democrats has hit a record LOW as things go from bad to worse after significant midterm losses,

according to a new poll.
Only 36 percent had a favorable view of the Democratic party, a 6-percentage-point drop from before the midterms

The favorability rating for Democrats is the party’s lowest since Gallup began asking the question
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 12, 14 9:18 AM
Suddenly the Dumbocrats are all pretending that they were for the pipeline before they were against it.

You can't make this stuff up. World War 2 was fought and won in 50% less time than obama and the Democrats have spent 'studying' the pipeline.
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 12, 14 8:57 PM
Looks like it won't happen. No Keystone XL poison for the reservoirs it was to be run near, and underneath.

There are still companies stupid enough to frack under the Ohio River however...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 12, 14 9:13 PM
FATHER ASKS OBAMA TO USE EXECUTIVE ORDER TO BRING SON SLAIN BY ILLEGAL ALIEN BACK TO LIFE
by MATTHEW BOYLE 12 Nov 2014, 3:55 PM PDT 338 POST A COMMENT
A grieving father is asking President Barack Obama to bring his son, who was killed by an illegal alien, back to life with an executive order on immigration.
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 12, 14 9:18 PM
Marijuana Was More Popular Than Many Victorious Politicians On The Same Ballot
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 13, 14 12:13 AM
CRUZ: Regulating Internet threatens entrepreneurial freedom...
POLL: 61% Oppose Federal Rules on Web...
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 13, 14 1:07 PM
Face it Mr Z, your boy and His followers got their clocks cleaned. All the deflection and pontification doesn't change the fact. Republican House and Senate = the end of our Marxist in Chiefs' rule, thank God.
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 13, 14 7:57 AM
Number one, he's not "my boy". He's doing a job you're incapable of, so run for President if you're so smart.

Number two, egalitarian is not Marxist. And, you're still a Federalist...
Nov 13, 14 4:39 PM appended by Mr. Z
Do you believe in a two party system?
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 13, 14 4:39 PM
So here is the new heat map for the House,
United States showing the congressional districts won by Republicans in red and those won by Democrats in blue...Even Z can see it is almost entirely red, except for some pinpoints of blue in major metropolitan areas and a few blue blotches here and there — in Minnesota, northern New Mexico and Arizona, western New England, along the Pacific Coast.

but as you know it’s misleading... Congressional districts are of basically equal ...more
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 13, 14 10:39 AM
“It's simply a national acknowledgement that in any kind of priority, the needs of human beings must come first. Poverty is here and now. Hunger is here and now. Racial tension is here and now. Pollution is here and now. These are the things that scream for a response. And if we don't listen to that scream - and if we don't respond to it - we may well wind up sitting amidst our own rubble, looking for the truck that hit us - or the bomb that pulverized us. Get the license number of whatever ...more
Nov 13, 14 4:59 PM appended by Mr. Z
So, Obama is a maniac regarding immigration. Thanks for confirming our suspicions about Ronald Regan...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 13, 14 4:59 PM
This huge Gruber story as been a virtual news blackout, It is inexcusable, nothing on the network evening newscasts. One mention on CNN. Not a word in the New York Times. On what planet is this kind of embarrassing admission not news,

CBS Evening News on Monday night. The time that the story broke. No coverage, ABC no coverage. NBC no coverage. CNN one mention on the program called The Lead. Tuesday morning on the morning shows, with three hours sometimes of editorial time. the view no ...more
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 13, 14 5:48 PM
Nothing like a Pres like Obama to turn a Blue wall red.
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Nov 14, 14 8:49 AM
Facing failure obama has no idea how to respond.

It's almost like he wants to destroy the Democratic Party.

He seems to want to blame the losers for losing because they didn't seek his help. His self centeredness is his failing, more so than Nixon. Nixon was paranoid, Obama still sees himself as the perfect being but unappreciated. He is turning on the press for the same reasons, totally unaware of the total cover they have given him.

Jimmy Carter appears in a more ...more
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 15, 14 1:02 AM
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Just out of curiosity, if the Republicans are such Libertarian Conservatives, why does the Federal Reserve still exist? Why do they distribute tax dollars as subsidies and corporate welfare to their biggest donors? Like the 90% of Big Oil money which went to Republicans in the last two years?

Couldn't be because they are full of ****, could it?
Nov 15, 14 12:25 AM appended by Mr. Z
“Our nation is facing a crisis of liberty if we do not control campaign expenditures. We must prove that elective office is not for sale. We must convince the public that elected officials are what James Madison intended us to be, agents of the sovereign people, not the hired hands of rich givers, or what Madison called factions.” ~ Senator Barry Goldwater
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 15, 14 12:25 AM
Better question, Why does the IRS still exist ?


By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 15, 14 1:02 AM
To collect money so as to support infrastructure, public works, public education, and large projects on too great of a scale for private corporations to undertake, much like the Eisenhower Interstate System, the TVA, or Hoover Dam was in it's day. Y'know, job creation, economic stimulus, and the plugging of tax dollars back into the consumer market...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 15, 14 2:54 AM
Those things as you put it could be supported by a vat tax, but you don't seem to support getting rid of a corrupt agency for a fair system
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 16, 14 10:29 AM
Ummmm Phil, Mr Z was referring to what the IRS is doing , in his opinion. He neglected to mention using their powers to persecute opposition party members at the behest of the President! It could be eliminated if there was a flat tax, imagine the savings to the taxpayers, you know, the ones who pay for all this crap!
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 15, 14 7:32 AM
Well, then tell the Oligarchists whom you are backing to kick money, corporations, and lobbyists our of our government.

In case you missed it, loopholes and regulations were not written by the middle class and the poor...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 15, 14 9:38 AM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"OBAMA CAUGHT ORDERING PRESS TO COVER UP EBOLA
Pharmacologist reveals how press has bowed to government demand to keep Americans in the dark. by PAUL JOSEPH WATSON | NOVEMBER 6, 2014"
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Another glittering piece of eye-candy propaganda on which you have bit like a trout on a shiny lure, and, trout-like, been hooked by a fabrication of Right-Wing stupidity. The ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 15, 14 9:16 AM
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Obamacare HOAX....
ABC-NBC-PBS-NPR-NYT-LAT-AP refuses to cover this "piece of eye-candy propaganda" exposing the fraud perpetrated on taxpayers by this administration.
Barry's "transparency" laid bare
By loading... (587), quiogue on Nov 15, 14 10:57 AM
to loading... & Captn America:

How illustrative of the extreme Right-Wing's enthrallment to its irrational creed:

Loading... notes that NONE of the mainstream media (including, incidentally, Fox, which he omitted) repeated the fraudulent story, and sees it as proof of a government censorship conspiracy.

Captn America admits to the falsity of his posted citation yet sees it, paradoxically, as evidence of the cover-up that it falsely reported.

They and their Right-Wing ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 15, 14 12:13 PM
hat:
"Obamacare HOAX" was the heading to my reply. I was pointing out the media blackout of Mr Gruber's revelation of intentionally keeping taxpayers in the dark so the bill could pass. I left out Fox news because they are the only ones covering it. Also omitted MSNBC because they are not a news outlet. If it weren't for Fox us 'stupid Americans' would hear nothing about it. None of the mainstream media was covering THIS scandal other than Fox. Not a fraudulent story at all and pretty good ...more
By loading... (587), quiogue on Nov 15, 14 4:25 PM
phil:
The outrage isn't manufactured, it is a direct result of the videos showing this architect of Obamacare prancing around bragging about the purposeful obfuscation of the details in this bill so as to cram it down our throats. Referring to Americans (including you, BTW) as 'stupid' didn't help, either.
Are you suggesting the videos were "manufactured?"
I'm not a huge fan of Fox News, but this Gruber idiot needs to be seen by everyone for what he is, and you'll only find him there.
Nov 16, 14 12:05 AM appended by loading...
Jonathan Gruber: "The dirty secret in Massachusetts is the feds paid for our bill…. Ok? In Massachusetts we had a very powerful Senator you may know. His name is Ted Kennedy.Ted Kennedy had basically figured out – Ted Kennedy and smart people in Massachusetts - had figured out a way to rip off the Feds 400 million dollars a year… " the feds=the taxpayers
By loading... (587), quiogue on Nov 16, 14 12:05 AM
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Passed on a strictly party line vote, the Demokrat Party owns this pile of feces, only the Demokrat Party. The main reason L'il Tim is out on his posterior. Do you support the flat tax concept Mr Z? Seems like the answer to a lot of problems.
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 15, 14 4:45 PM
Teddy Roosevelt is one of my heroes.

What do you think?
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 16, 14 4:37 PM
The people who love Obamacare are the ones getting subsidies from the government at the expense of the working man. I'd like it too if someone else paid for it.
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Nov 16, 14 9:32 AM
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By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 16, 14 12:30 PM
to Captn America:

And yet, Captn, had you but waited for a reputable news organization to run the item, instead of reflexively swallowing yet another piece of the sparkly trash with which that Right-Wing habitually chums the news waters, you would have avoided the embarrassment of spewing garbage - again. (Not that after so many incidents there is much embarrassment to be found.)

The simple fact is that the assertion is so ridiculous that not even your favorite news manufacturers, ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 16, 14 10:26 AM
It just feels better around here lately, more in balance

HHS you know all about the embarrassment of spewing garbage, and It seems your are very bitter as of late... take a walk on the beach or something and try to relax, it will be ok

Enjoy the rest of the weekend everyone...
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 16, 14 10:36 AM
yes i agree a bit more neighborly lately :)

feels like a movie after the trouble makes have been run out of town and thinks can start getting back to normal
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 16, 14 12:22 PM
to joe hampton, 27dan, Captn America, Erin 27 E, & marlinspike:

["meow"]
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 16, 14 3:24 PM
It always amazes me that when out right busted Obama just pretends he was unaware of the situation.

If there was video released later today showing Joe Biden saying that we got the ACA passed thanks to the ignorance of the American voter, Obama would come out and say who is that guy I don't know him and I just found out about this in the paper.
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 17, 14 10:00 AM
to Captn America:

Researchers of normal diligence would have noted that the author of the original censorship story was a nobody, as was the subsequent author who embellished it. They would further have noted that NONE of the reputable media picked it up. As a consequence, they would NOT have cited it until it was fact-checked by professionals.

That's what moderate and reasonable people would have done.

Right-Wingers, on the other hand, leap on explosive propaganda ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 17, 14 12:42 AM
obama will continue using the Alinsky theory of division and distraction,

hhs is just a foot soldier
Nov 17, 14 9:21 AM appended by joe hampton
This weekend the BSer in Chief joined Pelosi in even morre lies… acting as if Gruber was some anonymous player who "never worked for us" BULL…. Gruber met in the White House over a DOZEN times, including in the Oval Office with the obama… He was on the Health and Human Services PAYROLL and was paid $400,000 and has been paid consulting fees by the government totaling 5.7 million to specifically sell and LIE about ObamaCare, the biggest FRAUD this nation has ever seen.
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 17, 14 9:21 AM
"The biggest problems that we're facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that's what I intend to reverse when I'm president of the United States."
Sen. Barack Obama, March 31, 2008

In 2011, he told a Univision town hall that there “are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system.” To ignore ...more
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 17, 14 9:54 AM
Now is the part of our show when Phil comes out and says

"The president as evolved"
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 17, 14 10:04 AM
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By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 17, 14 10:59 AM
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By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 17, 14 4:45 PM
to joe hampton:

Quote:

“BULL…. Gruber met in the White House over a DOZEN times … “ etc.
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Your post references an unsupported assertion on the Facebook page of someone who styles himself, "The Conservative Hammer". Words fail me.

We all know that you habitually omit accreditation to protect yourself from the embarrassment of having readers know ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 17, 14 11:55 PM
Ahhhh, Florida...


The Pam Bondi Playbook:
✓ Receive gifts and exotic trips from D.C. lobbyists
✓ Drop lawsuits against lobbyists' companies
✓ Tell Floridians there's nothing to see here
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 18, 14 3:06 AM
Democrats re-elected Rep. Nancy Pelosi to another two-year term as House minority leader on Tuesday, two weeks after elections in which the party lost at least a dozen seats in the chamber.


these must be the people Gruber was referencing
Nov 18, 14 10:47 AM appended by loading...
She was unopposed...she must be the best they got
By loading... (587), quiogue on Nov 18, 14 10:47 AM
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to Captn America:

Quote:

"hhs, you criticize Joe Hampton for an alleged unsupported assertion, and in the next paragraph claim ignorance to your unwillingness to hold Mother Jones authorities to the same standard. Keep in mind, at least my infowars authority quoted something actually written.. aka, not some fabrication as we saw in the Mother Jones post."
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NOW I understand, in addition ...more
Nov 18, 14 12:15 PM appended by highhatsize
In response to your addendum, one notes the breaking news from "mrc News Busters ('Exposing & Combating Liberal Media Bias')" that ONE of those visits included a "group meeting" with President Obama. With damning evidence like this from such an unimpeachable source, what more proof do we need of Jonathan Gruber's intrinsic importance to the creation of the Affordable Care Act?
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 18, 14 12:15 PM
Obamacare coverage is null and void if you go out of state!! With the nationwide health insurance renewal in full swing I wanted to check out my options considering that my Health Republic Silver plan increase is over 100 $ per month! $ 850 and change per month for my wife and myself, we don't qualify for a "subsidy". What I found , besides the infuriating new definition of a business, 2 people without an employee can no longer belong to a business group and get better rates and coverage, is that ...more
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 18, 14 2:51 PM
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Didn't you figure out why B F, The insurance company's have been forced by the state to redefine that 2 person business group... they did it to screw the independent business owners who work day and night along with there spouses to avoid employees.

There main goal that they desperately want is to force you to have that 1 employee so in turn you must carry workers comp and thats when you really get hosed good... thats the whole scam.
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 18, 14 8:16 PM
I call BS! A quick look at the NY website shows a number of plans that cover emergency care, at least one (OSCAR) that covers it anywhere in the world. This plan can be had for under $700 a month for two people. It avoids the need for people to claim that they and their spouse constitute a business without employing any other people. If there is in fact a legitimate business with at least one other employee, rates are lower.

Sometimes those who believe it is to their benefit to classify ...more
By VOS (1229), WHB on Nov 18, 14 9:44 PM
to Captn America;

So, to summarize, while you admit that your negligent research caused you both to be hooked by the bogus story that the administration was censoring the media as well as to be mislead into overstating the importance of a factotum who criticized Affordable Care, your argument is that you should be absolved of responsibility because Mother Jones was a source for one of your erroneous beliefs? Does the "He said so" defense work these days in the kiddie pool?

If ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 19, 14 3:13 AM
again with the kiddie pool, what is your fascination with the kiddie pool ?
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 19, 14 7:39 AM
to Captn America:

OK. So you admit that you posted false information about a (non-existent) government attempt to censor the press and misstated the importance of one of the minor players in the creation of Affordable Care because you didn't do your homework.

Nonetheless, you think that you should have been given a pass on your errors because I didn't criticize Mother Jones for asserting facts that were equally bogus(?)(even though "I" never once referred to Mother Jones?)

Very ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 19, 14 3:14 PM
Jonathan Gruber.Jonathan Gruber.Jonathan Gruber.Jonathan Gruber.

Is the name the media is hiding from you!

The guy who destroyed the Lying President's administration.

Although the Lying Presidents has his fingerprints all over everything.

This is how much liberals hate GW Bush. They are willing to accept being lied to, about their doctor/plans.

About Americans being told they would save 2,500 dollars on average.

Not a smidgen of truth about ...more
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 19, 14 7:54 AM
Dan said Jonathan Gruber.Jonathan Gruber.Jonathan Gruber.Jonathan Gruber.

They simply ignore one of the most unbelievable scandals in history because of their political bias.ABC, CBS, NBC and NYT would be covering it NON-STOP!

It would be the lead story every day. They wouldn't stop until someone resigns. Instead, they simply ignore one of the most unbelievable scandals in history because of their political bias.
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 19, 14 8:05 AM
Yes if

Gruber Gate

was a republican scandal would be covered much differently. but the public just goes on without hardly noticing maybe they are as ignorant as JONATHAN GRUBER
says they are.
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 19, 14 8:09 AM
Just a notation:

"An idiot in Athenian democracy was someone who was characterized by self-centeredness and concerned almost exclusively with private—as opposed to public—affairs. Idiocy was the natural state of ignorance into which all persons were born and its opposite, citizenship, was effected through formalized education."
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 19, 14 8:31 AM
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Spoken and blessed by two out of four of our very own socialists
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 19, 14 9:19 AM
Egalitarian.

Try to learn the difference. Try picking up an Oxford book of American history. Unless you're scared...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 20, 14 1:39 AM
This just crossing the wires .....Obama to announce immigration order in Las Vegas on Friday......

Typical Friday afternoon News dump we have become accustomed to from this President.

I guess they think no one will notice
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 19, 14 10:49 AM
JON KARL, ABC NEWS: Coming back to the immigration executive order that is coming, does the president still stand by what he said last year when he said, quote, "I am not the Emperor of the United States, it is my job to execute laws that are passed," is that still operative?

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE: Absolutely.

JON KARL: Not a king either.

JOSH EARNEST: That's right.

JON KARL: He was asked very specifically about the idea of expanding the deferred action ...more
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 19, 14 4:40 PM
Please don't deceive people Pilth@home

This is not the same as President Reagan, not only is obama’s Unilateral Amnesty Unprecedented it is Unconstitutional it will be going against the will of Congress.

You cant ignore the fact that both houses rejected this on several occasions including when both houses of congress were controlled by obamas party.

In contrast Reagan made administrative corrections designed to carry out congressional intent not circumvent it. ...more
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 19, 14 9:39 PM
Divide and Conqueivbr/>0bama's simplis0bam childlike MO
Nov 19, 14 10:13 PM appended by loading...
let me try that again...ahem Divide and Conquer 0bama's simplistic, childlike MO
By loading... (587), quiogue on Nov 19, 14 10:13 PM
well at least phillip finally admitted they are illegal
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 19, 14 10:13 PM
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We'll see. A law designed and targetd at a specific group based on their origin.
Maybe they're just trying to take back the part of the country w stole from them."

By philathome , Southampton on May 13, 10 11:00 PM
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 20, 14 12:33 AM
If proper case law supports the executive order, you can cry "unconstitutional" until you're blue in the face. And, it won't matter. Trumped up speculation and scare tactics hopefully won't fool the People forever. FDR had multiple executive orders overturned, and was not impeached. No sitting President has been. Ever. You'd have better luck getting a tan in the Canadian tar sands.

It's up to the SCOTUS to overturn a disputed order, or Congress to pass legislation against it, provided ...more
Nov 20, 14 2:22 AM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, the entire kit & caboodle from soup to nuts (and there are more than our fair share of the latter) is probably the punchline of the worst joke perpetrated on the People in this country's history.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 20, 14 2:22 AM
Phil flailing wildly, as he desperately tries to re weave that coalition of anti white men and American values back together
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 20, 14 10:12 AM
This is crazy talk.
President Obama has issued an executive ACTION, well within his legal rights, and not even an executive "order", also something within his rights. FYI, Republican Theodore Roosevelt issued 1,081 executive orders, Barack Obama has issued 182 to be exact, with with presidents Lincoln, Grant, Eisenhower, Reagan, and GWB each having issued in the several hundreds.
This action is only one step toward total reform, and alleviates the suffering of millions. What have the ...more
By June Bug (2580), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 22, 14 1:38 PM
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Your average religious zealot is by medical definition a delusional psychotic. So, "crazy talk" would simply come naturally...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 22, 14 3:01 PM
The debauching of our currency is the primary driver behind inequality.

However, you have a valid point.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 23, 14 2:34 AM
..........I don't care who won the election ! You will do as I say !

Mia Love: Obama's Executive Immigration Action "Looks More Like A Dictatorship"
FACEBOOK REVEAL A WINK TO ZUCKERBURG...
Networks To Snub Speech?
Will air during Latin Grammys...
TONIGHT: Dines with Dems to explain; NO REPUBLICANS...
'Slap in face'...
SESSIONS: 'Emperor'...
DHS: Brace for New Surge...
Bachmann: Turning 'illiterate' immigrants into Dem voters...
'Throwing nation into ...more
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 20, 14 12:40 AM
So now the separation of powers, and checks and balances don't work for when it's inconvenient for one's supported party?

Pathetic hypocrites.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 20, 14 1:53 AM
Separation of powers means the President can't nullify federal law.
That's what Obama wants to do.
Slippery slope for sure...
By loading... (587), quiogue on Nov 20, 14 8:30 AM
THREE CO-EQUAL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT Guess Barry Soetoro didn't learn about that when He was attending the madrasa in Indonesia or any where else he went to school.
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 20, 14 7:24 AM
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Regurgitating Fox News like a fly on the wall.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 20, 14 8:23 AM
Obama is on video 16 different times saying he doesn't have the authority to take this kind of executive action.

Now suddenly as Dirty Harry Reid says he is "Going Big". What changed besides the Dems got swept out of town in a tidal wave of anti Obama sentiment.

Tomorrow is the day the Founding Fathers never saw coming. Obama is going to take 227 years of sweat and tears, and throw them down the drain for the sake of future votes and revenge on the American people that just aren't ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 20, 14 10:05 AM
look, the real issue is obama wants these illegals here just for political reasons,

so how about we let them stay without fear of being deported and let them start businesses and buy homes see how they feel about government issues and taxes,

with one condition (they cant vote for ten years and then after they pass a history of america test and stay clean for ten years they can get swore in and vote.

that and real border security

what do you say to that hhs, phillip ...more
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 20, 14 10:46 AM
Standard Republican tactics.

What You’ve Heard About Solyndra Is One Big Republican Lie
By Mindy Fischer


Remember Solyndra? If you’re like most Americans all you probably know about Solyndra is that it was part of a big Obama scandal. If you’re a little more informed, you likely know that Solyndra was a solar panel manufacturing company that received hundreds of millions of dollars in loans from the Obama administration and then went bankrupt. Republicans ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 20, 14 9:03 AM
So, a 20 year mortgage is a "drop in the bucket" as well?

Oh, wait. You need securitization and derivatives for the quick payoff...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 23, 14 2:42 AM
UPDATE: Bishop Concedes Race To Zeldin
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 20, 14 9:49 AM
To Captn America:

You have been repeating your apologia, in ever more tortuous and prolix prose, for some time now.

In defense of your posting of a false story by an unknown, uncredentialed, amateur reporter (a blunder that could have been avoided by the exercise of the slightest prudence), you protest that it was a response to a false story in Mother Jones. Incredibly, you seem to think that this fact excuses you. Moreover, on reading, the Mother Jones article turns out to be ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 20, 14 10:04 AM
just because you a person uses a thesaurus doesn't necessarily make that person interesting.

We all look forward to Tim's reelection.
by highhatsize (2156), East Quogue on Jul 20, 14 10:52 AM
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 20, 14 10:18 AM
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o Captn America:

For the love of god, let's try one last time (it is sincerely to be hoped.) You posted a report by an unknown, uncredentialed, amateur reporter (a "contributor", i.e. a "content-provider") from a site without journalistic credibility; a report that wasn't authenticated by a SINGLE REPUTABLE news organization. Precipitously, you repeated it, motivated by its scandalous allegation of authoritarian malfeasance by the Obama administration which your uncritical ideological ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 20, 14 1:48 PM
SAN DIEGO - If you are a United States citizen and cross the border frequently you may have to pay a fee to go into Mexico.

The National Immigration Institute in Mexico (INAMI) has started a pilot program in which foreigners that enter Mexican territory for more than seven days or they will be involved in paid work, they will have to pay 306 pesos, or about 28 US dollars.

“We are doing what should be done,” said Rudolfo Figueroa, representative of INAMI in Baja California. ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 21, 14 12:11 AM
Barry Soetoro violated the constitution and the left is fine with it, that's some STRONG kool aid !!
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 21, 14 7:14 AM
As was stated earlier in this thread, if proper case law supports the executive order, you can cry "unconstitutional" until you're blue in the face. And, it won't matter. Trumped up speculation and scare tactics hopefully won't fool the People forever. FDR had multiple executive orders overturned, and was not impeached. No sitting President has been. Ever. You'd have better luck getting a tan in the Canadian tar sands.

It's up to the SCOTUS to overturn a disputed order, or Congress to pass ...more
Nov 21, 14 11:50 AM appended by Mr. Z
EDIT: "was not impeached and convicted."
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 21, 14 11:50 AM
Barack Obama really had the potential to be an iconic prezident. It’s a shame he’s now relegated to someone who will be remembered most for not only dividing a nation, but for circumventing Congress in order to push his personal agendas.
Nov 21, 14 9:53 PM appended by local 84
Charles Butler, talk radio host: The fact is President Obama will do with the stroke of a pen what 300 years of slavery, Jim Crow and legal segregation could not: destroy the hopes and dreams of millions of black Americans. His position on illegal immigration and reform is not tenable given the numerous sources of information that warn of the negative impact of immigration reform on black Americans and low-income Americans.
By local 84 (348), riverhead on Nov 21, 14 9:53 PM
to Captn America:

I have thought in the past that you had hit bottom on this forum but now realize that there IS no bottom for you, just another level to pass through in your continuing descent into the abyss of ignorance.

NOW, in your ultimate reply, you assert the astounding opinion that it is appropriate to repeat any allegation from anywhere without regard to the reputation of the source. True, it has long been obvious from your contributions herein that you adhere implicitly ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 21, 14 8:41 AM
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Yes, the Press has a responsibility to report the news. They also have the responsibility not to scream "FIRE" in a crowded theater.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 22, 14 3:27 PM
I will always defend logic and rational thought.

I see very little of either lately.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 23, 14 3:06 AM
Enough Is Enough: The President's Latest Wall Street Nominee
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I believe President Obama deserves deference in picking his team, and I've generally tried to give him that. But enough is enough.

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By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 21, 14 11:59 AM
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If we really want to end this "problem", we need to close the border. Period. China did it. How did that work for them? Maybe we could learn a few lessons from what they did wrong.

If you want to close the border and deport all those here illegally your only genuine option is our military. Bring our boys home, and put them on the streets asking everyone for ID. Well, as long as the ACLU doesn't object. How long do you really think it would take if we put our minds to it, brought ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 22, 14 3:16 PM
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I agree with Mr Z

If we really want to end this "problem", we need to close the border.

Then we can let the law abiding people that are already here that have jobs,business homes and children born in the US have work permits and stay while they get on the back off the line to become citizens.

There is you compromise. Bet it wont be good enough for Phil ? because like obama he wants instant votes for 2016
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 22, 14 4:47 PM
Cap, it was an interrogative and a statement of proposal for the most effective means of implementing deportation, despite how distasteful some may find such. It's an effective plan, would work with stunning efficiency and all the people who are here illegally would no longer be of concern, "dragging down wages and destroying the middle class". It would give the People what they want, right?
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 22, 14 9:14 PM
I have firmly stood with "jus sanguinis" for a very long time.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 23, 14 2:24 AM
If a country's people are subjects, it's not a Republic.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 23, 14 1:33 PM
I see you point 84 and I don't blame you for being angry.

And I like you solution Dan simple and to the point.

Phil I agree we do want to be a beacon of freedom but to all countries and in a orderly legal way. there are still people from Europe waiting there turn as well and the do not have the luxury of hoping a fence and hitching a ride through Texas.
By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 22, 14 4:57 PM
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to Captn America:

Oh! So you were JOKING!

Not only do you justify your fraud by your newly-expounded credo that any statement by anyone is worth repeating but now you claim that YOU DIDN'T REALLY MEAN IT.

It was TONGUE-IN-CHEEK, you say! (Although you also say that you really think that it's true, and that the author was pressured into correcting his original report. Two beliefs that are at odds with hilarity.) One cannot help but note, as well, that you didn't put ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 22, 14 5:51 PM
i could not help but notice that phil avoided dans question

" Bet it wont be good enough for Phil ? "

dan seemed to take the high road and came up with a simple concise compromise but mr hat, mr z and the bitter one, all seem to not want to comment.
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 22, 14 7:27 PM
The last thing you want is my complete, and undivided attention. Nobody likes a troll.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 23, 14 4:06 PM
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after all if they accepted a compromise than what would be left to argue about.

no i think their objective is to stick a finger in the eye of the republicans to try and get them to over react.

i say don't do it !

its way to comfortable a place we are sitting in and we need to recharge a little longer before we start a new fight its been a long 6 years and basking in the after glow of victory feels to wonderful
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 22, 14 7:32 PM
..........I don't care who won the election ! You will do as I say !

executive, legislative, and judiciary? never heard of it .... or Jonathan Gruber

"I did what I was authorized to do"even if I did say I couldn't and shouldn't 17 times and counting last year while on camera

I don't need anyone else and I don't care about your constitution. lol

don't I look cool in purple and gold. Iyes got swag ....
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 22, 14 7:57 PM
"We need more people speaking out. This country is not overrun with rebels and free thinkers. It's overrun with sheep and conformists."

~ Bill Maher


"You can't be neutral on a moving train."

~ Howard Zinn
Nov 23, 14 2:46 AM appended by Mr. Z
Griftopia: Chapter Two. "A perfectly two faced man, serving a perfectly two faced State."
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 23, 14 2:46 AM
The following excerpt is the introduction to Zephyr Teachout’s new book, Corruption in America: From Benjamin Franklin’s Snuff Box to Citizens United.

Corruption in America

The Citizens United decision was not merely bad law; it was bad for politics, and displayed an even worse understanding of history. Americans from James Madison onward have argued that it is possible for politicians and citizens alike to try to achieve a kind of public good in the public sphere. ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 23, 14 2:43 PM
The following is an excerpt from the Epilogue of "Griftopia":

"By the time this book hits the shelves, the 2010 midterm
elections will be upon us, at which time this dumbing-down
process with regard to the public perception of the financial
catastrophe should be more or less complete. The Tea Party and
its ilk will have found a way to push the national conversation in
the desired idiotic direction. Instead of talking about what to do
about the fact that, after all ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 24, 14 7:57 AM
to Captn America:

Thanks for recalling that past promise of yours. Here's the full text:

"to Captn America:

Quote:

'Would that there were a way for the armchair soldiers herein who believe that ground forces should be deployed to volunteer their services.' - me
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'Right-wing extremist with partisan dementia Cptn America reporting for duty.' - Captn America
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Good ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 23, 14 10:55 AM
........ executive, legislative, and judiciary? never heard of it .... or Jonathan Gruber

our Jay Sears
Nov 23, 14 1:28 PM appended by They call me
or Jay Sears
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 23, 14 1:28 PM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"Obama Caught Ordering Press to Cover up Ebola"
----------------------------------------------------------------

- not.

Quote:

“[A]t least one of the [Texas Presbyterian] nurses caught [Ebola]... from the tiny droplets left in the air after vomiting or coughing … “

- not.
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Quote:

"Right-wing extremist with ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 23, 14 6:19 PM
Are all on the right "extremists" Hat? How about those on the far left, "extreme" also?
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 23, 14 10:26 PM
Weather Underground really hasn't been a concern since the 1980's. Which is where many right wing extremists still live.

According to FBI statistics, right wing extremist groups are "primarily in the form of domestic militias and conservative special interest causes" and are "the most dangerous, if not the most prolific, domestic terrorist threat to the country." (2005 report). These groups as a threat have increased since 2008. This includes fundamentalist Christians, various hate ...more
Nov 24, 14 7:24 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, let's not forget the anti-abortion lot. Seven murders, hundreds of assaults, bombings, destruction of property, trespassing, vandalism, and arson...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 24, 14 7:24 AM
The "crazy left wing eco terrorists" have yet to resort to murder. Not looking for redeeming qualities, but things can be replaced. People can't be.
Nov 24, 14 8:45 AM appended by Mr. Z
Unfortunately, not opinion. There has been an increase. Larry Keller's report is rather comprehensive. The Second Wave: Around the country, evidence accumulates of a return of the militias and the larger antigovernment ‘Patriot’ movement
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 24, 14 8:45 AM
Dividing the Spoils
November 21, 2014
by Bill Moyers and Michael Winship

We’ve been watching Congress since the mid-term elections and reading Zephyr Teachout’s terrific history book,"Corruption in America: From Benjamin Franklin’s Snuff Box to Citizens United". That snuff box was a gift from King Louis XVI of France. His Majesty was a good friend of the American Revolution but when he gave Benjamin Franklin the gold box, featuring the monarch’s portrait ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 24, 14 8:09 AM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"I'm extremely proud of my service to the country, in fact I defend it every day. Like the saying goes, I do more by 8 a.m. than you do all day.”
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In your dreams!

Sleepy time isn't real life, Captn. The heroic deeds that you accomplish in dreamland don't balance out your pusillanimous failure in reality. Iraq and ISIL still await your ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 24, 14 8:57 AM
White House Quietly Releases Plans For 3,415 Regulations Ahead Of Thanksgiving Holiday

While Americans are focused on what delicious foods they’re going to eat for Thanksgiving, the White House is focused on releasing its massive regulatory agenda marking the fifth time the Obama administration has released its regulatory road map on the eve of a major holiday.
Nov 24, 14 3:48 PM appended by They call me
Dear Leader can't wait to finish America off since his dem/socialist/communist party had their behinds handed to them !! Had enough yet America ?
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 24, 14 3:48 PM
Communists hate private property
Communist hate individual rights.
Communists hate the USA.
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 24, 14 4:47 PM
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By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 24, 14 4:55 PM
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Ferguson, rioters planing there own black Monday Christmas sale shopping spree ( looting style ) in just minutes.

Where is Obama ? wouldn't you expect the precedent to be on TV for the last few days calling for calm?

97 percent of blacks are killed by blacks!
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 24, 14 5:28 PM
Since I know how much y'all like polls:

A poll by Hart Research on behalf of Americans United For Change has found broad popular support among Democrats (91%), Independents (57%), and 41% of Republicans for President Obama’s executive orders on immigration.

The Hart Research poll found,

Voters respond favorably by an overwhelming 39-point margin to executive action by President Obama that would focus immigration enforcement efforts on threats to national security ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 24, 14 10:53 PM
so maybe someone can tell me what breaking windows and stealing as to do with michael brown ?

phillip ?
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 24, 14 11:05 PM
It's called a tipping point. The last straw, if you will. The tensions in this community have finally boiled over. People have been protesting and rioting for millennia. It's nothing new.
Nov 25, 14 12:59 AM appended by Mr. Z
Worldwide, there have been over a dozen this year, and we still have a month to go...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 25, 14 12:59 AM
..... Phil refuses to answer question


Where is Obama ? wouldn't you expect the precedent to be on TV for the last few days calling for calm?

By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 24, 14 6:31 PM
UPDATE: tonights other big story

Great Lakes ice cover develops; Earliest in over 40 years...
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 24, 14 9:58 PM
Update:

Climate change deniers ignorant on a wholesale level.

Weather is not climate, and open water has a far greater effect on air temperature than ice pack. The Gulf Stream is what keeps Europe warm. If it didn't, it would be an icebox. Do the math...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 24, 14 10:47 PM
Not to digress Phil, but I agree with you on this point. The biggest mistake climate change advocates made was calling it global warming. Those who argue against climate change need to reevaluate.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 25, 14 5:47 PM
go home already people you are showing the world the jury was so correct in there decision
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 24, 14 11:16 PM
People have rioted over injustice for more than a millennium. It's nothing new, and is the nominal result when injustice has gone too far to be tolerated. It's a communal release of frustration, anger, and ultimately resentment of repeated injurious conduct on the part of "authority". Historically, it's the norm. If you don't grasp the concept that psychologically humans are emotional animals which are not separate from any other species on the planet, and have the potential to leave logic behind ...more
Nov 25, 14 7:13 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, just in case you missed it the members of a grand jury are not vetted by the prosecution or the defense for bias, or other disqualifying traits. This was not a trial, nor was the officer found "not guilty". It was simply a jury of three black, and nine white persons who were not screened for the media's influence on them, any personal bias, or anything else which would disqualify them as a potential juror.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 25, 14 7:13 AM
Michael Brown reached in the police cruiser to attempt to take the officers weapon. Why is it surprising he was killed?
By chief1 (2782), southampton on Nov 25, 14 12:01 AM
What did or did not happen is irrelevant at this point. What is relevant is that the police need to STOP killing unarmed people.

If Dorian's testimony is accurate (Five eyewitnesses indicate that it is) Wilson threatened to shoot Brown and pulled his weapon while he had him by the collar after assaulting him with the door of his cruiser. Brown most likely would have attempted to stop Wilson from pointing the gun at him and firing at point blank range. Thus, the wound to the hand. The bottom ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 25, 14 12:56 AM
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Maybe it would help if the officer didn't, reverse his vehicle, assault the suspect with his cruiser door, hold him by the collar, and attempt to shoot him while pulling him through the window. More than one eyewitness account states that he surrendered, and one of them was not even from the local area. Also, the preliminary investigative report does not detail anything you mentioned, such as Brown "reaching for an officer's gun". Everything except Darren Wilson's account points to him being ...more
Nov 25, 14 8:03 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, "Josie" is not a witness and as a personal friend she was not present, nor is she credible.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 25, 14 8:03 AM
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Mr Z, What is your source for saying that Wilson hit the two individuals with his car door? I've been following this and yours is the only time I saw this allegation. Second, it is now clear that in fact Wilson knew of the strong armed robbery. What the Chief of Police said in August means nothing. Facts is facts and the timeline of the broadcast describing the perps matches Wilson completion of his prior assignment. All commenters here, myself included are only working off what the media is reporting. ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Nov 25, 14 4:00 PM
The first two witnesses who came forward in August.

Tiffany Mitchell corroborated Dorian Johnson's account that Brown did not charge the officer, but surrendered with his hands up and that Brown ran after the first shot. Piaget Crenshaw was an employee of Mitchell's, whom Mitchell was visiting. Her account also contradicts Wilson's testimony. And, she had a bird's eye view from her apartment balcony. A man who spoke to Fox2 News on the condition of anonymity also stated that Brown surrendered. ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 25, 14 5:06 PM
I am more inclined to believe scientific evidence than eye witness evidence, which has time and again been proved to be very unreliable.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 25, 14 5:44 PM
None of what you say here now, relating to statements made in August seem to be repeated by any of the media covering this. Further, numerous witnesses were discredited due to forensics not matching the stories. If Wilson did in fact threaten to shoot Brown from within the patrol car, you can bet it was after Brown assaulted him. Now when did he back up and assault Brown with the car door?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Nov 25, 14 8:19 PM
According to Johnson's and the officer's account he passed them after telling them to get out of the street. He then backed up his Tahoe after some verbal exchange to cut them off. When looking for the cracks in a story, you have to take a broad view. Remember that via his own testimony this officer wanted a collar, and attempted to exit his vehicle striking at least one of them. His state of mind is absolutely key here.

"Wilson said he told Brown to step back, opened the door, cursed ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 26, 14 12:32 AM
You derive what you want to derive with statements as "it would stand to reason". The closest eyewitness? That would be Mr Browns companion? Please. You normally post interesting points of view and are able to back them up. You bring your anti white cop prejudice to this argument. Makes total sense that a cop would try to pull a 290 pound 6'4" suspect INTO his car. At noo point did he attempt to exit the car and Brown pushed it shut on him? Cause I know cop on black assaults with drivers doors are ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Nov 26, 14 1:55 AM
Did you read the testimony, and Darren Wilson's description of the sequence of events? Wilson's testimony backs up the above sequence of events. The forensic evidences shows the bullet fired in the car was fired in the direction of the suspect. The testimony shows this was AFTER the officer willing unholstered his gun. The officer also testified that he thought to use his baton, flashlight, and mace. He chose the gun. The officer testified that Brown did not reach for the gun until AFTER he ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 26, 14 8:59 AM
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Rioting and looting are never rational behaviors! The mob in Ferguson are a bunch of primitive savages! Immature in the extreme, they didn't get their way and are throwing a temper tantrum, instead of screaming and stamping their feet they are burning down their neighborhoods and stealing anything they can get their hands on. Lawless behavior is way different than protesting an alleged "injustice" , what say you Mr Z?
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 25, 14 7:25 AM
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I say you have absolutely no comprehension of the post, as usual.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 25, 14 7:58 AM
The grand jury's verdict was correct. The evidence was contradictory and unpersuasive. There was simply no probable cause to be found. Had it indicted Wilson, he simply would have been found not guilty at trial.




By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 25, 14 7:56 AM
all michael brown had to do was not commit a strong arm robbery and not assault a police officer.

all travon had to do was say good evening sir, yes i am visiting my dad who lives here and coming back from the store. have a nice night.

all mr z should do is not make excuses for bad behavior
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 25, 14 7:58 AM
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I warned you. Bad behavior in either of the cases you cite was exhibited by both parties involved. Trayvon Martin's killer had no business engaging in his "patrol", and was instructed not to by law enforcement previously. Thus, bad behavior.

It is not disputed that Officer Wilson shifted his cruiser into reverse and by all accounts nearly striking the two suspects. He opened his cruiser door into the suspects, thus committing assault and battery with his vehicle. Again, bad behavior.

Please ...more
Nov 25, 14 8:08 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, FYI the alleged robbery had no bearing on the stop, nor did Wilson have knowledge of it until after the fact. Straight from the horse's (police chief's) mouth. Yet again, social media reports and "Josie's" account debunked.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 25, 14 8:08 AM
Z how do you explain Brown wrestling for the officers gun? Or punching the officer in the face?
By chief1 (2782), southampton on Nov 25, 14 2:44 PM
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If someone was threatening to shoot you while seated in a car and drew their gun, what would you do?
Nov 25, 14 4:46 PM appended by Mr. Z
Did the Chief of police state Wilson had no knowledge of the petit larceny? Yes, or no?
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 25, 14 4:46 PM
Yes, the Chief did state that in August. It has since been shown that in fact the radio broadcast was sent out after Officer Wilson completed his previous call. Point?
Nov 25, 14 5:22 PM appended by But I'm a blank!
And where did you come up with that tid bit that Wilson was threatening to shoot Brown from within his car? Witnesses corroborate Wilson claim that Brown reached into his car. You're entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Nov 25, 14 5:22 PM
You may want to read Wilson's testimony.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 26, 14 12:50 AM
No need, I saw the interview, sans your editorializing.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Nov 26, 14 1:57 AM
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By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 25, 14 8:04 AM
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Al Sharpton: "The fight is not over"

He is heading to Ferguson today to instigate calm.
By loading... (587), quiogue on Nov 25, 14 8:37 AM
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how foolish all of you on the far left look defending this group of domestic terrorists, tipping point? Have you people no sense of decency
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Nov 25, 14 12:16 PM
I just feel sorry for the poor people in this area that built businesses and lost everything to this animals, just try and collect the insurance money if they even had any.

really a raw deal.

By joe hampton (3416), southampton on Nov 25, 14 11:33 PM
If the grand jury voted to indict, would the Feds still pursue a civil rights charge? Probably not, this is just the Obama/Holder regime playing to their base, pitiful! The judicial system has worked, it's tragic that an 18 year old died,but he would probably be alive today if he didn't attack the cop. In this politically and racially charged atmosphere, the Regime will not rest until they are able to throw a bone to the animals.
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 26, 14 7:24 AM
The National Bar Association has condemned the grand jury's decision. There have been massive protests across the nation in almost 100 cities. Three NYC bridges were shut down due to the volume of protesters. It seems there are millions who feel the grand jury is full of ****.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 26, 14 9:17 AM
Hey Phil the fact is 90% of Blacks are murdered by other blacks. Where is the outrage of this fact?
This Michael Brown isn't a hero he was a thug. Ten minutes before he was shot he choked a 65 year old shop manager after he was caught stealing cigars. then he wrestles a cop, in a police car to steal HIS WEAPON! If you try to steal a cops gun you are really risking your life. Stop blaming whites, and cops for the bad decisions of an entire race.
By chief1 (2782), southampton on Nov 26, 14 10:28 AM
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97 percent actually
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 26, 14 6:04 PM
Perhaps the real problem is not MB or DW. Perhaps it is the left leaning press who for the last 2 months has been asaulting everyone 10 times an hour with the headline "Unarmed college bound black teenager shot by white cop". After months of this it is understandable that there are people protesting. I would suggesst that had the press used a different headline and repeated it with the same frequency there would not be the riots and protests. Perhaps the headline could have read "Black thug killed ...more
By bird (824), Southampton on Nov 26, 14 1:48 PM
Hmmmm the left is having a tough couple of weeks, first the rejection of Barak Hussein Obama's ultra leftist plans in the mid terms, and their most recent cause celeb,lynching the cop defending himself against the thug M Brown . NOT INDICTED! Still no response to the query: Would the Obama/ Holder cabal be looking to file civil rights charges if the officer was indicted?
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 26, 14 3:26 PM
UPDATE: Bishop Concedes Race To Zeldin
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 26, 14 3:34 PM
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By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 26, 14 6:20 PM
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By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 26, 14 6:25 PM
omg dan thank you for that link hopefully the shp will let it stand so everyone can see how bad this really is on the street and what criminals these people are.

what an absolute disgusting display of envy and hate.

these people are the takers!
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 26, 14 6:31 PM
America is a center right country, people on this thread that support anarchist far left progressive viewpoints are in the minority and should be dismissed
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Nov 26, 14 3:48 PM
....... TOP OCCUPY ORGANIZERS TRAINED FERGUSON PROTESTERS

In a development that may portend extended disruptions, veteran street organizer Lisa Fithian, previously dubbed “Professor Occupy,” recently trained Ferguson protesters how to “simulate chaos.”

Fithian is a well known organizer who once announced she seeks to “create crisis,

She was one of the luminaries of the Occupy Wall Street movement and was a lead organizer in the infamous 1999 ...more
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 26, 14 9:51 PM
Cool, Phil gets it !


BENGHAZI!!!!!
By They call me (2784), southampton on Nov 27, 14 11:15 AM
apply to above, widow gavits said,

America is a center right country, people on this thread that support anarchist far left progressive viewpoints are in the minority and should be dismissed !

apply to above
Nov 27, 14 12:27 PM appended by Erin 27 E
this board is laughing, becuse in my opinion the krazy klown here is obvious
By Erin 27 E (1254), southampton on Nov 27, 14 12:27 PM
Even Justice Antonin Scalia is of the opinion McCulloch ***** up.

If that's not a nail in the coffin, I don't know what is.


"It is the grand jury’s function not ‘to enquire … upon what foundation [the charge may be] denied,’ or otherwise to try the suspect’s defenses, but only to examine ‘upon what foundation [the charge] is made’ by the prosecutor. Respublica v. Shaffer, 1 Dall. 236 (O. T. Phila. 1788); see also F. Wharton, Criminal ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 27, 14 1:07 AM
Still would like to hear from those supporting the looters about the "civil rights" prosecution of Officer Wilson. Would the Obama/Holder cabal be pressing charges if he was indicted? Seems this is a tough one for you. Phil, the 3 autopsies showed that Brown could not have had his hands up when he was shot. How about prosecuting the "witnesses" that lied to the grand jury?
Does everyone remember how the white folks in LA rioted, burned down their neighborhoods and looted businesses after OJ ...more
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 27, 14 7:16 AM
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Nah, "white folks" only riot after sports championships.
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 27, 14 10:16 AM
Nah, "white folks" only riot after sports championships.

Yeah,but they are mostly Canadian.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 27, 14 10:44 AM
I have gone out of my way to say that peaceful protest is our right. Rioting, looting and arson are some of the most base criminal acts. Clear enough for you. Now , if you would entertain my question re: civil rights charges if the cop was charged? Perjury charges against some f the witnesses called by the gran jury. Thanks.
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 27, 14 9:58 AM
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....... This just in ....... Mr z and Pilthy support Rioting and looting
By 27dan (2806), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 27, 14 11:20 AM
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Are you actually that stupid, or has it taken a great deal of practice?

OR, is the above sentence the one you are looking for to proclaim "FOUL!!" when it garners red ink?

Thanks for the laugh, it was a long "Black Thursday"...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 28, 14 1:27 AM
Chuck Schumer, yesterday:
“The plight of uninsured Americans and the hardships caused by unfair insurance company practices certainly needed to be addressed,” he said. “But it wasn’t the change we were hired to make. Americans were crying out for an end to the recession, for better wages and more jobs — not for changes in their health care.”
Now I find myself in complete agreement with Chuck Schumer. **steadies self**
Pardon me while I go search the ...more
By loading... (587), quiogue on Nov 27, 14 12:06 PM
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O come on now loading the Obamacare is good for you,

you just need to eat your peas.

By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 27, 14 12:09 PM
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Just Chuck Schumer trying to distance himself from Obama. What a weasel. Where was this talk when he was championing the ACA, both publicly and privately. Wow Chuck, way to throw your own guys under the bus. To heck with Ferguson, the most dangerous place to be is between Chuck Schumer and a news camera.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 27, 14 1:02 PM
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The People are crying out for that, and more.

It's shame the K Street ilk drown them out, and dirty money is stuffed in the ears of those who need to listen...
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 28, 14 1:48 AM
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Under 0bamacare, businesses with 50 or more employees must provide insurance coverage to their full-time workers. If they refuse, they are assessed a $3,000 annual penalty for every employee who receives subsidies to sign up for coverage on the health exchanges.
Under 0bama's amnesty, the nearly 5 million illegal immigrants who will be eligible for legal status and work permits will not be eligible for 0bamacare. Since they are exempt from 0bamacare, employers who decide to hire them will not ...more
By loading... (587), quiogue on Nov 28, 14 5:09 AM
Vermont Calls to Take Money out of Politics
Steph Machado


MONTPELIER - The Vermont Legislature became the first to pass a resolution calling for a Constitutional Convention to change the country's campaign finance laws.

The effort is focused around overturning Citizen's United, a 2010 decision that equated money with free speech, allowing for an influx of money into political campaigns.

A more recent decision, known as the McCutcheon decision, struck down overall ...more
By Mr. Z (11632), North Sea on Nov 28, 14 1:23 AM
Another unintended consequence of Obamacare: Mom and Pop businesses without employees are no longer considered a business and as such may not enter the group insurance market by joining a business alliance. This forces them into the individual marketplace where the rates are significantly higher and the options limited.
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Nov 28, 14 7:33 AM
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to Undocumented Democrat:

Do you extreme Right-Wingers do NO research whatsoever?

Your reference is NOT to "his own book jacket" but to an erroneous biographical sketch of Obama found in a promotional booklet created by his literary agency back in 1991. It contained the biographies of eighty-nine of its other clients as well as Obama's and was distributed to business colleagues in the industry. Its author, a flack for the agency, has long-since admitted her error.

to ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Nov 28, 14 9:02 AM
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Schumer has admitted candidly that the Tea Party was right after all. Specifically, Schumer admitted that pushing for Obamacare in 2009 was not a good idea. He also said that the 2009 stimulus "was not the bright spot it could have been," partly because it was too "wide."
By Undocumented Democrat (2028), southampton on Nov 29, 14 12:08 AM
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