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Jan 27, 2012 10:36 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Iconic Lobster Inn Is Sold, Condos Could Be Future

Feb 1, 2012 10:50 AM

The venerable Lobster Inn restaurant, a mainstay of the local scene for more than four decades, and some 10 acres of property surrounding it have been sold by longtime owner Skip Tollefsen.

The new owners plan to develop residences on the property but expect to lease out the popular restaurant building for the coming summer, or summers, while the plan negotiates various regulatory reviews.

The new owners have been identified only as a pair of limited liability corporations, Peconic Bay Marina LLC and Peconic Bay Residences LLC. No principals are listed for the companies with New York State, and Tim McCulley, an attorney with the firm Burke and Sullivan, and who is representing the buyers, would not identify the principals by name.

Reached at his winter home in Florida this week, Mr. Tollefsen, who opened the Lobster Inn in 1969, said he was not sure of their complete plans but said the new owners had been discussing a “green” development of energy-efficient homes.

The zoning on the property would allow for 13 single-family homes. Mr. McCulley said that the new owners have not settled on the extent or style of development they plan to pursue at the property, which was given a variance from local zoning to allow up to 25 condominium units. Mr. McCulley said that all options are on the table.

In 2009, Mr. Tollefsen was given approval by the Southampton Town Zoning Board of Appeals to build 25 beach cottage-style condominium units on the land. Suffolk County Department of Health development codes, however, would limit the number that can be developed without the installation of a sewage treatment system to the 13 units the underlying zoning otherwise allows. Attorney Wayne Bruyn, who represented Mr. Tollefsen’s application to the Zoning Board said there are considerations for condo units depending on their size that could allow for more than 13 units without any special septic system considerations.

The property also was once approved as a Planned Development District in the 1990s, a proposal that would have allowed Mr. Tollefsen to set up a garden center and retail farm stand on the vacant parcel across from the restaurant. But in the late 1990s, Suffolk County removed a stoplight from the intersection of County Road 39 and North Road and banned left turns onto the highway from Inlet Road East, the road leading to the Lobster Inn—which Mr. Bruyn said effectively killed any hope of the property being a successful destination business.

“Once they cut me off from the highway, my business went down 30 percent. Friday night, forget it—nobody was coming off the highway like they did,” Mr. Tollefsen said. “I felt a little bad that the town didn’t go to bat for me on the left turn thing at all.”

The listed selling price of the property was a little more than $2 million, though Mr. Tollefsen said that was not the full sale price. The price, he said, was based on the development of only the 13 units that the Health Department initially would allow on the property. Mr. Tollefsen said he will receive another payment from the new owners in three years, but he declined to offer specifics.

“I’m happy—it was my time to go,” said Mr. Tollefsen, who had been trying to sell since 2006, when the changes to Sunrise Highway were made. “I used to go to work every day, work at night too, have fun and make money. Now, it seemed like I was there all day, had no fun and made no money. But I had a good run.”

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thanks skip......
By clamdigger (85), Quogue on Jan 27, 12 11:29 AM
goddamit, and I never made it there. vowed this summer to go and didn't make it. i sad.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Jan 27, 12 12:54 PM
ahhh .. more condos. wonderful
By harbor (415), East Hampton on Jan 27, 12 1:26 PM
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Eat Lobster at Shuckers!!!
By PMEQ1 (3), EAST QUOGUE on Jan 27, 12 1:50 PM
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... first date with my wife , 1982. Lobster and Moet Chandon.
By William Rodney (561), southampton on Jan 27, 12 2:42 PM
More condos? what a shame. Skip thanks for the great times
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Jan 27, 12 2:58 PM
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i live down the street from the lobster inn love the place grew up on the docks friends worked there sad to see it go but i understand. the town simply didnt care when they switched up the roads ether for the lobster inn or the residense that live in the area here the locals understand if you dont have millions in the bank you dont matter sad that its something that you have to get used to living on inlet road east
By beachguy54 (4), Southampton on Jan 27, 12 3:11 PM
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oh and thanks skip for the memories
By beachguy54 (4), Southampton on Jan 27, 12 3:13 PM
I thought this property was sterilized for development some years back. What a sell out! I guess money in the end always is the winner.

Would love to see what the environmentalists will say about this, oh wait, they are the environmentalists. And he's going to use a standard septic system under his old restaurant flow allowance. Hello - Mr. Baykeeper, where are you on this?

Another local business fading away........
By BIGjimbo12 (201), East Quogue on Jan 27, 12 3:49 PM
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...and how did this condo project manage to stay out of the papers until now?
By BIGjimbo12 (201), East Quogue on Jan 27, 12 3:50 PM
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where were you? Most everyone I know in the area knew Skip was ready to go after the change in traffic pattern just like reported in the piece.
It was a fun place and Skip was really good to his employees and to his customers. I'm glad that I got to enjoy it So Thanks Skip see you around.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jan 28, 12 9:22 PM
From 2008....

The Lobster Inn suffering as a result of county roadwork
Publication: The Southampton Press
By Beth Young Sep 19, 2008 1:12 PM

The Lobster Inn.
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Sunrise Highway didn’t go all the way to Southampton when Skip Tollefsen built the Lobster Inn in 1969, but the changes to the end of that road over the past two years are now putting the squeeze on his business.

Mr. Tollefsen appeared before the Southampton Town Planning ...more
By Michael Wright (25), Southampton on Jan 30, 12 12:16 PM
thank you Mike for the info.
By BIGjimbo12 (201), East Quogue on Feb 12, 12 11:04 PM
Perhaps Skip's profits will be shared with former managers and employees who were fired so unceremoniously, without notice?
By Nero (301), Sag Harbor on Jan 27, 12 8:40 PM

This guy fronted all the money and had his capital tied up in the venture. The risk and subsequent reward are his. Would the managers employees also share equally in lawsuits? I don't think so. So when it is time to cash out then it goes to the guy who originally put up the cash.
By Hambone (514), New York on Jan 30, 12 9:39 AM
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Ahhh. You must be supporting Obama and the Dems. Share the wealth. I mean your wealth.
By realistic (472), westhampton on Jan 27, 12 9:01 PM
perhaps after 40 years in business and working seven days a week nero would split his lifes savings with everyone. thats the only far thing to do right nero?
By fish sticks (53), hampton bays on Jan 28, 12 7:24 AM
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Well, owing to the fact your "success" most likely would not be possible without the hardworking, loyal employess over time, it may a respectable gesture.

But I'm sure you could wait the tables, serve the drinks, chef the dishes, and prep all those meals by yourself.

Maybe you should have bought it...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 28, 12 12:22 PM
Business exists to make a profit-----FOR THE OWNER of said business. His employees were paid for their work already Komrade!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 28, 12 10:52 AM
Yeah, and it never would have been able to succeed, without all those hardworking employees. But, I'm sure all you arrogant, egotistical, self-entitled, avaristic d********s out there can run the show all by yourselves.

You just choose to hire people to make your life easier. They aren't really necessary tor the success, at all, eh?

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 28, 12 12:19 PM
And a business failure is also the fault of employees....nice concept. Part of he " let the govt take care of me" entitlement thinking we are stuck with.
By squeaky (291), hampton bays on Jan 29, 12 9:25 AM
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You need counseling...really
By Hambone (514), New York on Jan 30, 12 9:40 AM
Incorrect, Squeaky.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 30, 12 4:04 PM
what is incorrect? IF they share the success they must in turn share failure. I have never thought I was entiltled to any profits of any of my employers. I took a job based on my paycheck. Never worked the hours or had the headaches any boss has. Ive been a boss. I worked 18 hour days while the employees left after 8 hours. What entitles them to my profits?
By squeaky (291), hampton bays on Jan 30, 12 8:51 PM
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Assuming you are a homeowner of some years on the East End, when you someday sell your home for a profit, will you track down every lawn mower or tradesman who ever worked on your house while you owned it to share you profit with? Don't forget the guys who fills your oil tank and the Lilco and Verizon workers that enable you to post on this web site.
Just askin'
By smacw (240), New York on Feb 1, 12 7:34 PM
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Maybe you can also share the gains on the stock and bonds in your retirement account. Whats good for the goose...
By smacw (240), New York on Feb 1, 12 7:39 PM
If times were slowly flush, and reasonably stable, as they were designed to be 79 years ago, no one would have to.

But, like I said, it would be a nice gesture considering the state of the union's "wealth"...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 3, 12 9:47 PM
Oh, and as long as others have to make the gesture. I don't hear Skips ex employees complaining, quite the opposite, only you.

79 years ago? The way things are meant to be? Since the New Deal kicked in we are up to 70% of the federal budget dedicated to ever expanding entitlements and 6 figure compensated overseers. Wealth concentration, ever the bugaboo of you Marxists, is caused, not prevented by big government, as we have seen with all the influence and bail outs for sale in DC. Obviously ...more
By smacw (240), New York on Feb 11, 12 3:53 PM
Man, you really are a label slinging, assumptive ignoramus. The best head in the sand ostrich an Oligarchy could hope for.

Keep slinging your assumptions about Marxism, and who you believe is part of your own personal "Red Scare" hunt. Have I ever defended the entire "New Deal"? No. Have I ever pitched that welfare is a good thing? No. Have I said that a social safety net should exist to protect the wealth of hard working, contributing members of society? Yes.

The framers ...more
Feb 11, 12 7:09 PM appended by Mr. Z
Ref: Feb 5, 12 11:13 AM
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 11, 12 7:09 PM
I've also got two more words for you:

Epidemiiology, and Praxeology.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 11, 12 8:10 PM
Nice dodge, complete with revisionist history, non-sequiturs, laughable intellectual pretensions, a side trip to the thesaurus, and the usual vulgarities and insults you hurl when cornered.

Safety net, great, but 70% of budget to entitlements and 40%+ of taxpayers effectively netting to $0 Federal taxes, not healthy ratios. + high concentration of wealth, federal subsidies and tax breaks going to big Dem party donors.

Thank you for voting for Obama's oligarchy.

And ...more
By smacw (240), New York on Feb 12, 12 1:17 PM
I'll make it a simple for you, just look up "thin skinned"
By smacw (240), New York on Feb 12, 12 1:20 PM
PS Mr Moderator, ol' Z-Bag's penchant for insults, foul language, sexual references, etc. make him and his postings here unsuitable to a mainstream, community focused, and presumably family oriented news source.
Thank you in advance for giving him a little time out, perhaps a suspension if he keeps it up.
By smacw (240), New York on Feb 12, 12 1:24 PM
Here's one of smacw's prior posts relating to beneficiaries of the Habitat for Humanity program:
"Strict application process;
1. Have complete lack of shame
2. Still have entry level income after 20+ yrs in workplace
3. Irresponsibly Produce multple offspring with multiple/rotating cast of partners
Then, if you are one of the luck such people, receive a house in a charming Eastern Long Island ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Feb 12, 12 2:00 PM
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just pointing out some ironic facts. no cursing, no personal insults, no vulgarity. Whats your problem?

Highhat indeed, rather high opinion of your self too
By smacw (240), New York on Feb 12, 12 3:17 PM
Well, ladies and gentleman, here we have the case of smacw, who only has his newstalk ideology talking points...


Mr. Z, with an in-depth knowledge of the framers, and history, who understands how the ideals this country was founded on have been ingraciously abused, by those who are STUPID enough to believe that they can make a fiat currency based economy function, despite the fact History has proven FAR otherwise.

They remind me of an old science fiction story (morality ...more
Feb 14, 12 6:39 PM appended by Mr. Z
"I have to tell you a quote from Tolstoy?" ~ Norman Mailer
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 14, 12 6:39 PM
BTW, seriously a "time out"?

I just "dropped out", for a couple of days.

Sorry you didn't get the memo...
Feb 14, 12 7:26 PM appended by Mr. Z
I heard this on an NPR excerpt, years ago: "Fascism is more of a natural state than democracy. To assume blithely that we can export democracy into any country we choose can serve paradoxically to encourage more fascism at home and abroad. Democracy is a state of grace that is attained only by those countries who have a host of individuals not only ready to enjoy freedom but to undergo the heavy labor of maintaining it."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 14, 12 7:26 PM
In depth cutting and pasting is more like it. In over your head pal, and still at it with the nastiness.
By smacw (240), New York on Feb 15, 12 1:20 AM
Oh, well then PLEASE tell us how this nation is EXACTLY what it's founders intended.

'Cause from the vantage point many have today, it's "We the Corporate Aristocracy", not "We, the People".

But, like I said, PLEASE indulge the rest of us on your explanation for why there is so much currency in economy, whilst only a comparably minute percentage can actually be backed by hard, intrinsic capital. And, while you're at it, maybe you could also explain how unregulated derivatives ...more
Feb 15, 12 6:36 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, you can also indulge us, as to the effect of the VietNam war debt, on the Nixon decision to remove us from the gold standard. I'm going back to my GlobalSpec digest. Have a great day...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 15, 12 6:36 AM
It is so sick to read the rants above. People jawboning to see their sick thoughts in print. The Lobster Inn was a success because a good person persued his dream. Skip has a right to bow out and enjoy life in the sun. So quit yer beefin and wish the guy good health in retirement.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jan 28, 12 9:27 PM
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I have eaten at the Inn often over the last 20 years and have always enjoyed it. I wish the the new owners a profit on their investment over the years ... and hope that Skip will, also, enjoy an ultimate return on his investiment!! If a new septic system is put in there to accomodate an "updated" use, I see a win win situation for the community. Good luck to all.
By Board Watcher (534), East Hampton on Jan 28, 12 10:22 PM
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Home of the Splatt. My favorite seafood dish in the Hamptons. Its a shame however if you have no one to leave your legacy behind then it is what it is. Hopefully Skip got enough pesos to enjoy hinslef after serving us for decades.
By North Sea Citizen (568), North Sea on Jan 29, 12 7:48 AM
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The last three comments are right on point. If mr.z spent as much time in the real world and not in front of his computer (2712)he may see things differently. Skip was always looking out for the local baymen. He also was always willing to contrbute to local school fundraisers.
By fish sticks (53), hampton bays on Jan 29, 12 8:14 AM
I do spend a good deal of time in the "real world".

If you really want to know how I have that many posts, you would have to have the capability to observe that I have been on these boards for almost THREE YEARS. That includes one very hotly contested election season. Also, one of my three jobs, not counting sidework on autombiles and PCs, is being a part-time moderator on a website. Since computing is one of my occupations, maybe now you can grasp how it's possible for someone who manages ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 30, 12 4:22 PM
Wait. Wait one minute. People actually think the owner of a business should share the proceeds of a property sale with his employees? That's insane. Do you know how many businesses fail? Tell ya what... from now on all employees get to share the losses for any venture that fails. Fair enough? No? Not willing to take a risk? Ok, then shhhhhhh....
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 29, 12 8:16 AM
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ZZZZ : The employees of the beloved Lobster Inn were paid by Skip and tipped by the customers. How in the world is that a bad thing? Skip was entitled to make a profit both on the operation of his business and the sale of his property, once again I have to ask, where's the problem here?! Sorry if capitalism offends you.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 29, 12 12:06 PM
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Capitalism doesn't offend me. The abuse of it does. Were I sitting on a mountain of gold, thanks to the massive printing of money by the Fed under the Greenspan years, and the massively inflated price of real estate on the East End, I would seek out those most loyal to me over the years. I would see how they were, and let them know I won't forget that had I not had such a solid crew of people, I may have shuttered my doors years ago without the support of the staff that makes ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 30, 12 4:08 PM
I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that someone who started a business, worked hard at it for over 40 YEARS, and then decided to sell his business and retire could be accused of "abusing capitalism." So, let's leave out the Fed, Greenspan, Obama, The Tea Party, and whoever else you want to blame, and just let this man Skip move on to the next chapter of his life and enjoy his retirement without off-base, mean-spirited judgements from the likes of you.
I don't know who you are ...more
By TheWaterMillian (34), Water Mill on Jan 31, 12 11:47 AM
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Like I said, such acts could be a nice gesture.

An honorable man Skip offered a sum to, who did not need it, would refuse it, now wouldn't he?

Considering how the "wealth" has been created, well, you don't get the picture...

Feb 3, 12 9:52 PM appended by Mr. Z
Just look at our "idols" these days. Skip should have franchised, paid people in stock options, and gone IPO years ago. That's how real winners operate, isn't it? He could be living the REAL fiat money "American Dream". Just think, the nation has to put up with Red Lobster now...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 3, 12 9:52 PM
How would you possibly know what Skip, or any other employer, does for their employees. Yet you judge that what they did is wrong.

Are you an employer?
By bb (922), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 12 12:42 PM
its about time we get those new condos-we have been waiting too long
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jan 29, 12 2:25 PM
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Skip, thanks for all the good times, and I trust you understand "Karma."
By Nero (301), Sag Harbor on Jan 30, 12 2:51 PM
While you nuts are all debating about someone's personal choices, hopefully he's on is way to a nice warm beach the Bahamas. That is what it is allllll about. You take a leap of faith, you work hard, you weather the ups and downs and you sell and retire...leaving all those with their hands out at the beggar's banquet - where anyone is allowed to whine, moan and wimper about someone else's karma, real estate, employees or whatever you busybodies yenta about.
By top 10% of the 1% (2), Southampton on Jan 30, 12 3:00 PM
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If you think that material wealth, and luxury are what life is "allllll" about, you have my pity.

Like it, or not...

P.S. That's a rather idiotic moniker, but would be apt in today's society to describe one who exhibited the primitve psychological trait of greed, or hoarding. Much like the proverbial chimpanzee at the top of the tree, gorging itself on most of the fruit, while tossing rinds to all those below.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 30, 12 4:14 PM
I've always had a theory that people with last name's that start with Z have issues. Always last huh. Sorry. Just a quick observation on your comment. You disregarded the entire part about taking the leap of faith and working hard, weathering the ups and downs and went right for the material wealth and luxury. Are you a cutter?
By PrEtEnDeR (2), East Hampton on Jan 30, 12 7:34 PM
Mr. Z is actually quite intelligent. I just think he's off the mark on this one. Everyone of us is free to start a business if we choose to do so. Most of us will fail. A few will succeed. Some might get very wealthy. It's the lottery of business, life and capitalism.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 31, 12 8:33 AM
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I hope this is a clear enough response.

The reason I feel the way I do on this issue is because were it not for the way the wealth was created, I would accept the value assigned to the property. As it stands, easily half of our money supply is worthless, printed fiat currency. It's worth x, because someone demands it is. For the WaterMillian to state factors such as the behavior of the Fed is not only ludicrous, but idiotic from an empirical standpoint.

The property would probably ...more
Feb 5, 12 10:51 AM appended by Mr. Z
"state leaving out factors"
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 5, 12 10:51 AM
And what does this have to do with Skip?
By bb (922), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 12 12:44 PM
The lobsters next of kin should share in the profits from the sale of the place where all of their relatives perished. The help comes and go but without the crustacean there isn't any ''gone fishin'' sign. The Lobster Inn - Lobster's checked in, but they never checked out. Yes, I speak for the lobsters.
By Lars Daarksaide (4), Hampton Bays on Jan 30, 12 9:51 PM
I like you :)
By TheWaterMillian (34), Water Mill on Jan 31, 12 11:48 AM
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By capt. Jack (17), Southampton on Jan 31, 12 8:57 AM
Not to be a stickler, but it's actually "you're."

By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 31, 12 9:16 AM
He also forgot the comma after Mr. Z.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 12 9:27 AM
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Darn, sorry I missed it.

Could the editor e-mail me a copy?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 3, 12 9:52 PM
I just love the way the comments go way out into left field, and lose sight of the story.
Is this an east end sickness?
I blame it on the illegal leaf rakers you all love so much.............

Ha Ha..... I only read this rag for the comments, by the wimps hiding behind their computers talking poop...

Long live Long Island...............
By Tommy Turbo (60), Deep River, CT on Jan 31, 12 1:34 PM
Yes, it is clear by your comment that you possess a wisdom and sense of enlightenment that we wimpy Long Islanders envy. Thanks for checking in from CT. Don't hurt your toeses on the rockses.

By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 31, 12 2:09 PM
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By local born and raised (3), hampton bays on Jan 31, 12 8:11 PM
You had your chance to outbid the buyers - why didn't you? Now you'd rather B and moan on someone else's dime. What do you think you have a right to claim next - Ponquogue Beach?
By VOS (1241), WHB on Jan 31, 12 11:05 PM
Karma Karma Karma

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle
By Nero (301), Sag Harbor on Feb 1, 12 9:53 PM
As a former employee of the Lob Inn, I wish Skip a happy and well-deserved retirement. I'll always remember running around your garden as a little kid and you taking the time to show us the lobster tanks in the back.

I'll miss the excellent food and fun atmosphere that the Lob Inn always provided - many great memories made in this place! I hope whatever ends up developed on this site is worthwhile, as this property had dreams built on it.

Enjoy your time in the sun Skip and have ...more
By IrishAurora (1), Westhampton Beach on Feb 2, 12 11:35 AM
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...my wife wants me to get one of those cut Gran Marnier bottle "chandeliers" they had over the tables as a momento. Funky place, good sea food, part of an era on the east end that came and went too quickly.
By William Rodney (561), southampton on Feb 2, 12 12:10 PM
I hope they don't try and get a PDD to build these condos. The last thing Hampton Bays needs Is more density and more pollution in Peconic bay. I hope this in not another CPI like project. What's wrong with keeping the restaurant zoning or building a nice one family house that conforms to.existing zoning. If we lose the Lobster Inn and Tide Runners we are really lowering the quality of life in Hampton Bays. Losing two beautiful waterfront reataurants is really a shame.
By Ernie (88), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 12 11:20 AM
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I hope this is a clear enough response, and I want to make sure I'm "crystal" on this one.

The reason I feel the way I do on this issue is because were it not for the way the wealth was created, I would accept the value assigned to the property. As it stands, easily half of our money supply is worthless, printed fiat currency. It's worth x, because someone demands it is. For the WaterMillian to state leaving out such factors such as the behavior of the Fed, et al. is not only ludicrous, ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 5, 12 11:13 AM
Skip paid his employees well, very well and provided a great work environment, above and beyond what he was required to do. IMHO that's enough, the land is his and his alone , he is entitled to whatever he can get for it.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 5, 12 7:34 PM
And here, we were given the impression by you, that you were against government supplied entitlements.

Oh well...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 6, 12 2:39 PM
The real problem is that Condo's are taxed at 50% of the assessed value and are a drain to the community. This should be opposed and as of of right considered.
By Brad (28), Northampton on Feb 6, 12 4:13 PM
Paying your employes well is a government entitlement ZZZZ???
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 6, 12 9:05 PM
Nope, you can't connect the dots.

Learing how to read is one thing. Comprehension is another skill it it's own entirety. And statistics? That's a skill you SORELY lack.

See ya'...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 6, 12 9:46 PM
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By VirginiaUSFD (1), Southampton on Feb 7, 12 8:17 AM
Mr Z. Can you please answer 2 questions for a newbie like myself? What is your suggestion as a solution or remedy for the ''it doesn't matter who wins, we lose either way'' sentiment?

And, can you please share your most visited sources of information on the world wide web? Thank you.
By Heywood J. (5), East Hampton on Feb 7, 12 1:52 PM
Actually, that sentiment was on another thread, but to answer your query, most of my information is derived from books, periodicals, and the attention I paid in school.

Some of the sites I do frequent are larouchepac, Rolling Stone, Too Much, Bloomberg, Businessweek, Reuters, et al. I read alot of it, don't necessarily agree with all of it, but one thing I can tell you for sure, is that there are currently, roughly 291 trillion dollars in the derivatives market, with approximately 13 trillion ...more
Feb 7, 12 3:19 PM appended by Mr. Z
You can also add Reclaim Democracy to that list.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 7, 12 3:19 PM
We wish Skip the very best and hope he has a very long and happy retirement on the beach of his choice. We have very fond memories of the Lobster Inn and the Hamptons. It's a shame nothing stays the same and I hope big development stays out of the Hamptons.
By bebebandit (1), Ft. Lauderdale on Feb 7, 12 12:47 PM
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The one thing that's constant is change.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Feb 11, 12 8:14 PM