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Nov 6, 2012 2:15 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Montauk Hotelier Drops Cesspool Rings On Beach To Protect Business From Upcoming Nor'easter

Nov 6, 2012 3:04 PM

A Montauk oceanfront hotelier has dropped a row of concrete cesspool rings along the beach to protect the already-damaged site from further erosion in the wake of Hurricane Sandy, but a local environmental advocate claims that the structures aren’t specified in a town emergency permit.

Steve Kalimnios, one of the owners of Double K Management, the company that owns the Royal Atlantic Beach Resort Motel on the beach along South Emerson Avenue, said the concrete rings were recommended by his engineers as “temporary protection”— with a nor’easter expected to hit the South Shore of Long Island on Wednesday—while the compromised foundation of the building gets repaired.

“All we’re trying to do is protect the structural integrity of the building itself,” Mr. Kalimnios said.

But Jeremy Samuelson, the executive director of the environmental group the Concerned Citizens of Montauk, said town and state emergency permits for the work don’t specify any concrete rings to be placed on the shoreline, according to his knowledge. Because town officials haven’t signed off on the rings, it raises the question of what impacts the structures could have on neighboring properties. Mr. Samuelson also argued that the hardened structures are not permitted on the beach in that area.

The business should “shoot straight” with the public and the town, he said.

“What would have been wrong with that?” Mr. Samuelson said. “Because they didn’t do that we now don’t have the assurance that this structure isn’t actually going to cause or even run the risk of harming the adjacent properties during the repair process while they fix their building.”

Mr. Samuelson said that the emergency town permit calls only for placement of beach-compatible sand. But Mr. Kalimnios said that could be interpreted broadly, and that something had to be done to prevent the building from falling into the ocean.

“You receive an emergency permit and the emergency permit is to take care of what is an emergency,” he said. “Is every nail, hammer or board specified in a permit? That’s not the way it works.”

Mr. Kalimnios also emphasized that he and other oceanfront business owners have long been behind a “soft solution” to address what’s become annual, or biennial erosion to beaches. He said no local organizations have approached these businesses to get the ball seriously rolling on a beach restoration solution.

East Hampton Town Supervisor Bill Wilkinson did not immediately return a call on Tuesday. Town Hall was closed for Election Day.

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Always easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
By C Law (351), Water Mill on Nov 6, 12 2:43 PM
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So true C Law
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 6, 12 3:41 PM
As a temporary solution I think its brilliant. With only 7 days between major storms to boot. I think a person or business should be able to protect his property as best he sees fit, especially in an emergency.
By V.Tomanoku (788), southampton on Nov 6, 12 2:58 PM
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Smart move....at least he his trying to protect his property as well as his rights as a property owner....I hope it works...
By The Real World (368), southampton on Nov 6, 12 3:50 PM
bravo
By joe hampton (3429), south hampton on Nov 7, 12 8:15 AM
Hey what's the harm? That joint pumps millions of gallons of waste right into the ocean every summer. Might as well run it through a ring or two first.
By we could run this town! (129), the oceanfront trailer park on Nov 6, 12 4:24 PM
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People have been protecting their own for many years... this is the same concept.

Seems as if a few aren't willing to see the larger picture here.
By Allergic2Stupidity (77), Riverhead on Nov 6, 12 6:40 PM
Water Front becomes Water Logged, no matter how many years it might take. Mother Nature WILL eventually have her way with you...Enjoy it while you have it, but please don't expect me to pay for it when it finally slips away..
By Mtkmiss (2), montauk on Nov 6, 12 7:45 PM
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By BIGjimbo12 (201), East Quogue on Nov 6, 12 9:24 PM
You go Steve, We got your back, C law wants your hotel to become driftwood. Stand up for your property rights!
By joe hampton (3429), south hampton on Nov 7, 12 8:18 AM
Short term thinking -- how to steal sand from one's neighbors while socializing the costs onto the public.


"Landowners often assume that a hard, barrier-type structure will be required to prevent loss of property and protect buildings. However, there are indirect costs
associated with mitigation options that armor the shoreline. Many of these are borne by the public rather than the landowner. For example, installation of a groin to trap sand can affect neighboring beaches while ...more
By Thinkhampton (3), Montauk on Nov 7, 12 12:15 PM
The real question here is what sort of collateral damage gets done to the neighboring properties and businesses? It's no surprise that the town looks the other way in the face of these makeshift, non-permitted, non-compliant remedies while endangering viable, thriving business and residence immediately adjacent to the hotel. Clearly the town management places a greater value on the Royal Atlantic motel and it's owner's interests than it does on the other business which will undoubtedly be in the ...more
By sdunlop134 (1), montauk on Nov 7, 12 1:39 PM
So instead of just criticism how about some professional and realistic suggestions about what they can do to protect the building?
By clares (1), Wilton Manors on Nov 7, 12 3:40 PM
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They can use sand... like everyone else. And if they really want to they can use geotubes which aren't really any better but might make them feel better.

The use of these is damaging to adjacent properties and is not about "property rights" or protecting ones assessts, it's about not giving a ____ about anyone else and not understanding the risks involved in owning a land on a sandbar next to the ocean. All you have to do is take a stroll down to the lighthouse to see that George Washington ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 12 4:11 PM
"The use of these are damaging to the adjacent properties" Really what makes you the expert on them, have you see the damage the storm has don, give me a break you have no clew what and if there will be any damage to the adjacent structures unless you have made a study of the Montauk south side coast and the effects of erosion using round septic rings which let the water and sand flow freely through them. you should not talk. This business is trying to keep the hotel from falling into the ocean ...more
By aoz (3), MONTAUK on Nov 7, 12 4:57 PM
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I'm not an expert but I have a solid background in marine biology, coastal geology and ocean dynamics. The hardened structures will deflect wave energy (that's the point of it, right?). The wave energy will be deflected to the north and south which can cause scouring of soft substrates (sand).

While the waves and sand to a certain extent can pass through the structures, their intended purpose is to reflect the waves, do you not agree?

Take a look at aerial imagery of coastlines ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 12 8:58 PM
The only time the storm surge will push against the rings is when tide is pushed 20 feet passed it's normal height, so no more damage can be caused by this then the same amount of water crashing against anything adjacent to it. Meaning that the storms damage to the adjacent structures will be so bad that these rings will not have any effect on something adjacent to it. I have posted a photo of the adjacent property, the Sandy's storm surge has taken out the foundation walls not to mention all the ...more
By aoz (3), MONTAUK on Nov 8, 12 1:00 AM
And I wonder how much of there 50 feet of concrete patio and pool which slid into the ocean damaged the adjacent properties?
By aoz (3), MONTAUK on Nov 8, 12 1:24 AM
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The 11/4/12 google.org aerial photographs (the link to which Nature posted recently) show this and other work quite clearly. It was a brilliant clear day, and the resolution is amazing. "crisismap/2012-Sandy" and toggle on "Post-Sandy Imagery" on the right. You can enter Montauk in the search at upper right, and navigate as usual in the google maps and Earth system.

This map also includes gas and recovery information for most of the coast from North Carolina to Montauk.

It is actually ...more
By PBR (4953), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 9:00 AM
http://google.org/crisismap/2012-sandy
By PBR (4953), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 9:00 AM
I would do everything humanly possible to save my property, with or without permits. If municipal denied me action to protect my property I would call up the insurance company and have them sue the town for the damage that could have been prevented. This is an historic time, a catastrophy, and people need to do what they gotta do to protect themselves. Once normalcy returns repair options can be debated on a more rational basis.
By North Sea Citizen (564), North Sea on Nov 8, 12 6:47 AM
Why all the fuss? All they have to do is hire First Coastal & they will get a study that says piling junk cars on the beach is fine.
By G (339), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 7:21 AM
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As a first responder in the town of Montauk I would like to ask the Town of East Hampton and the CCOM what is the plan to protect Montauk. The dunes Beaches and hotels are the llast line of defense for the town of Montauk. They go down, the town of Montauk is gone
if anybody cannot believe this scenario take a look at the devastation 80 miles west. That storm was predicted to come 50 miles more north. This conversation would be a lot different
Its tme for the Town and CCOM to work on solutions ...more
By First Responder (1), Montauk on Nov 8, 12 10:09 AM
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I cant believe that with the devestation and damage that has occured some are seriusly looking to beat up on or second guess someones efforts to deal with what is clearly a horrific event durring that horrific event
Take a ride up the island - that could have been us.
Why arent those same nay sayers vocal about solutions. Better yet put your own money where your mouth is and help nourish our beach. It doesnt take a brain surgeon to understand that those few places cant keep paying to protect ...more
By Eastender9 (1), montauk on Nov 8, 12 5:40 PM
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By PBR (4953), Southampton on Jan 3, 13 2:09 PM
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By PBR (4953), Southampton on Jan 3, 13 5:33 PM