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Jul 17, 2013 9:58 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Sagaponack Will Hold Public Meeting To Discuss Forming Its Own Police Department

Jul 17, 2013 10:16 AM

Maintaining that no decision has been made about forming its own police department, the Sagaponack Village Board this week scheduled a public information meeting with residents for August 10, at 9 a.m., to discuss the village’s plans with regard to police protection.

Village officials have said that residents are paying too much in taxes to the Southampton Town Police for too little service. Forming a small police department of its own, and contracting with the town or another municipality for other law enforcement services, could save the village’s residents hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, potentially as much as $1 million, supporters of the idea say.

On Monday afternoon, Mayor Don Louchheim told his fellow Village Board members that after more than two years of discussion and research, it was time that the board made a decision about what it will do going forward so that the town would know whether it can count on the full $2.2 million in taxes Sagaponack homeowners pay into the Town Police Fund as the Town Board drafts its budget for 2014 in the fall.

“I think if we’re going to do something, it should be by our meeting on September 16, which would give us time to be ready to go by the end of the year, and also to give the town time to account for the transition in its budgeting process,” Mr. Louchheim said. The August 10 meeting will be “an informational meeting—we’ll lay out what our inquiries have come up with, what our options are, what we think is possibly the best solution and why.”

Former Southampton Town Police Chief William Wilson Jr. has been working with village officials to draft a pro forma budget and mock-up of what a bare-bones village police department would require, and cost. State law requires that village department have a chief and at least two officers. Mr. Wilson has said he would be interested in being the first chief.

Mr. Louchheim noted that there would be no actual proposal on the table at the meeting, only a concept. If the village goes forward with an official policy proposal following the meeting, there would be additional public hearings before the Village Board to hear the arguments of residents for or against whatever shape a proposal may take.

Southampton Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst said that she has scheduled a meeting with Town Police Chief Robert Pearce and Mr. Louchheim to discuss the details of what the village forming its own police force would mean for the village. She said she doesn’t believe the village has looked fully at the costs, short- and long-term, of creating a police department.

“Of course, first of all, it would not mean the elimination of all $2.2 million of those taxes—they’re still going to need a lot of those services,” Ms. Throne-Holst said. “They need to look at a full analysis of what the costs for them are going to be over time. Pension costs and all of that starts to accumulate down the road. We’re happy to do all of that for them.”

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Precisely what would a police dept be tasked with in a village that doesn't even have a main st?
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Jul 17, 13 11:28 AM
Ask the popo over in the village of WHD. Seems their only task is tailgating people leaving Cupsogue in hopes of inducing infractions.

Btw - the fact that "former Chief Wilson" wants to be the first Chief is not a shock. Guess he was lying when he told the Press in an earlier un-related article that he was looking at work in Florida.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 17, 13 7:38 PM
Could Sagaponack become the Hampton's first gated Village?
By Duckbornandraised (184), Eastport on Jul 17, 13 12:26 PM
I hope Mr. Louchheim looks at more than one proposal being put forth by a person who has an interest in the job for themselves. Talk to the county and Sherrif's department. Why not consider working something out with Sag Harbor. Maybe Sagaponack's money would go a longer way with Sag Harbor than with the Town. Sag Harbor, people argue, does not need all those cops and can't afford them. Why not work something out there? The seem to be a lot of synergies to be examined.

Ideally, I would ...more
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on Jul 17, 13 12:34 PM
State law does not allow one village to share Police services with another village. The Village of North Haven at one time wanted to contract with Sag Harbor for Police, but was unable to because of this law. It sounds dumb, but it is true.
By EH123 (22), East Hampton on Jul 17, 13 3:38 PM
Then someone should dime in Old Brookville PD which, according to it's website, serves five other villages.
By lucky and aware (44), Speonk on Jul 17, 13 6:07 PM
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TY. Its a shame, it seemed like a logical solution to me to each others problems.
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on Jul 17, 13 6:08 PM
Wonder what the PBA thinks about this? Has it been involved in discussions with the village?

Would there be any chance of Sagaponack Village going non-union with its PD?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 17, 13 12:55 PM
No. Public employees in NYS have the right to form unions and negotiate contracts similar in parity to surrounding jurisdictions.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 12:22 AM
So they would be free NOT to unionize, and to reject the PBA as a union?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 5:45 AM
PS -- As the PBA's demands, and costly negotiated contracts from the past, drive more and more municipalities toward bankruptcy, there may be a new day dawning IMO, in which employees of a small bargaining unit (2-4 LEO's here?) wake up and realize that the PBA may be more interested in its own survival as an organization, than in the long-term sustainability of the contracts it negotiates?

The new employees might CHOOSE to negotiate employment contracts directly with Sagaponack Village, ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 5:54 AM
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Keep dreamin' PBR. Anyone that gets a cop job in Sagaponack was a cop somewhere else. Ya really think they'd leave their friends behind like that? Don't bite the hand that feeds is rule #1
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 9:11 AM
The SHTP PBA surprisingly has made no statements regarding this issue. Surprisingly because they will surely face some layoffs if Sagaponack takes its 2 mill with them. Sounds like some kind of back door dealing going on here between PBA officials and their former hero Wilson. Stay tuned folks.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on Jul 18, 13 9:52 AM
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The PBA hasn't chimed in because they know Sagaponack has been shafted by the Town. The SOA and PBA have no standing in Sagaponack's decision making process here.

And I seriously doubt that ATH will allow any layoffs as her kin was just hired by STPD...last in first out.
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 11:34 AM
Good points Nature and fuou812.

Whatever happens, hopefully Sagaponack will never have to endure a one-year failed investigation similar to the hit-and-run death of Sister Walsh.

See the Press's editorial today -- a stunning rebuke IMO.

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 11:36 AM
PBA's are autonomous. The Sagaponack PD would be their own bargaining unit, not controlled or overseen by another PBA at town county, state or federal level.
Please show me where "more and more municipalities are going bankrupt" due to unions, cause like the facebook cartoon says "Het remember when municipal emloyees brought down Wall Street and nearly brought on the next new Depression? Neither do I"
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 11:48 AM
You have posted an inaccurate quote (the first one).

Please re-read my post above, and post an accurate quote, then we can discuss this further. Please look up "opinion" also.

PS -- Please assess your self-acknowledged pro-PD/LEO bias first.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 12:58 PM
blank!, please also reply to sunnydays below about the PD/PBA/union issues.

Thank you, and have a good weekend.

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 1:05 PM
sunnydays comments just aren't clear to me PBR. I think you may be under the impression that there is a "mother" PBA that represents each PD. That is not true, as I wrote, each PBA is autonomous, i.e. Sagaponack Village PBA would have no legal connection to the town, county, or state organization.
If I misquoted you, my bad, I thought I had the gist of it correct. While I will concede that some municipalities are financially stressed due to contractual demands, it would be a REAL stretch to ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 2:06 PM
See reply below. Thanks.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 2:57 PM
FWIW, the PBA exists only for the members benefits. It is not a monster that needs feeding like a national labor union.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 6:34 PM
the speeding trucks in Sagaponack are continually ignoring the posted speed limits since they are in a big hurry to get to the next millionaire's house!! SHTPD really do not exist in Sagaponack for the most part. they park on Seascape Lane to catch the "speeders" coming off the sagg bridge. How pathetic. Assist in other calls in BH and north Sagg even to Water Mill, Need our own police protection now if not sooner.
By xtiego (698), bridgehampton on Jul 17, 13 7:27 PM
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That is because the posted speed limit is asinine, Come on people drive thru SH and WM like they are medicated leaving 6 car lengths between them and the next car going 25 MPH. Its pathetic.Maybe there little battery cars need that long to engage ? Its so frustrating
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jul 18, 13 12:43 AM
What happened to the Rule of Law (speed limits), especially as applied to immigration matters (illegals crossing the border)?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 6:17 AM
Try slowing down. You might actually learn something.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Jul 18, 13 8:11 AM
Is this village crazy? Imagine asking former chief Wilson to prepare a mock budget and possibly be their first chief. I hope there is never an emergency in Sagaponack while Wilson is on vacation. Say what you want, but this guy was a disaster as the chief of the town police.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on Jul 18, 13 12:05 AM
The only police service that the Town of Southampton provides the Village of Sagaponack is lip service..they have misrepresented their intention to amp up coverage for YEARS. It is common practice for the STPD to shut down one of only three eastern sectors, leaving two officers on duty from the canal to East Hampton. SH Press, foil how often C43 and B31 are actuall manned and how many times that they are shut down. . The Town has promised a second car in HB and Flanders forever, where are they? ...more
By K Aventi (33), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 8:54 AM
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The village has a zero crime rate, and no commercial area. The village would become like Quogue where they would set up speed traps to make revenue. I'm sure after they hired a dozen cops, police cars, dispatchers, and a place to house all of this it would be well over 2 million dollars. This is strictly an elitist move 2 help someones ego by having a police department. The whole world is trying to cut expenses and this pompous village is trying to raise them.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jul 18, 13 8:55 AM
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The Village of Sagaponack is uniquely positioned to reset the bar concerning policing. They are not subject to the Town's contractual obligations to the SOA and PBA. NYS law allows them to completely set compensation and benefits as they see fit. Civil Service allows the use of certified officers from other agencies, eliviating the need for costly health benefits. A first rate organization can be established, offering a far superior level of service to Village residents, at a fraction of the 2.3M ...more
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 12:19 PM
Well said IMO, and it would be interesting to hear blank!'s view of this.

The article referred to (p. A1 of today's Press) is here:

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 1:04 PM
If, as you claim the village would use "certified officers from other agencies" It would likely be done on a part time basis. I don't believe that is what the village intends to do. If they are full time they would certainly provide health and retirement benefits. While the village may set initial compensatory packages, they would, soon after starting the PD have to negotiate terms of employment with any union formed to represent the employees.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 1:09 PM
Aren't you assuming that the new LEO's (2-4 max IMO) would vote in favor of a union?

What if the Village makes them a non-union employment offer/package "they can't refuse" so to speak?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 1:19 PM
Restated: in an election about union representation, is there a "No" choice as well as a "Yes" choice?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 1:24 PM
PBR - as I stated above, any officer that gets signed on with Sagaponack will have been a cop somewhere else. They would never NOT unionize. What's their incentive?
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 1:49 PM
And what possible reason would they have to vote no?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 2:01 PM
How would 2-4 LEOs cover the village 24/7/365?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 2:07 PM
Never say never IMO.

There are plenty of reasons not to unionize, but mainly it is a theoretical question, one which Mayor Louchheim and Mr. Wilson have likely already discussed IMO. Do you know what has transpired behind closed doors?

See my point way above about the PBA's in other jurisdictions driving municipalities TOWARD bankruptcy (note I did not say where on this journey they are, or that bankruptcy is imminent).

If the new PD employees feel that a union may not ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 2:55 PM
PBR - there was a piece on NPR today about unions. Basically, even if the employees agreed to whatever contract the Village was offering as a "non-union" the Village cannot prevent them from forming a union. Every worker has the right to unionize. The reason unions don't exist in some industries (say, Wal-Mart retail for example) is because the company can imply that unionizing (or efforts to do so) would not be looked upon favorably if you want a promotion - or they could write you up for an ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 3:13 PM
You keep repeating your worn conclusions.

I know that the Village cannot prevent employees from forming a union. How many times do you have to say this?

Just as obviously, the employees are free NOT to form a union!

Why can't you just say, "Yes, you are correct. The new employees would be free to vote "No" to form a union?"

[Without imposing your own personal subjective opinion of what could never happen?]
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 3:34 PM
Because the way I read (and I assume others read) your statements is that IF they agreed to employment as non-union members, they therefore would forever NOT be union members.

My point is that even if they say, "ok, we agree to this contract and we aren't a union" they can turn around the next day and form one.

Why are you against a unionized police force of such a small size?
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 3:55 PM
Why do you keep twisting my words?

OF COURSE any decision not to unionize is subject to change in the future. I never said otherwise.

I am not against a unionized police force. I never said this!

Stop putting words in my mouth, please.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 4:16 PM
I don't believe that's what I was doing - certainly not my intention. It was my interpretation that the above is what you were implying by continuing to harp on the idea of a non-unionized police force. I guess I'm just confused as to why you are so fascinated with the idea of non-union cops
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 4:22 PM
I am "fascinated" [your patronizing word] only to make it clear that employees have FREEDOM OF CHOICE in whether to unionize or not. Period. All the other chatter in your head, and blank!'s too for that matter, is yours to own. What you choose to INFER is usually not what I said, nor what I intended to imply.

There are pro's and con's on the unionization issue, especially in these tougher economic times, and my interest is only that people remove their blinders on whether a union is a given ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 19, 13 5:07 AM
PS -- On the municipal bankruptcy issue, did you see the news last night that Detroit has gone this route, to the tune of $18-20 BILLION dollars?

Take the blinders off!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 19, 13 5:35 AM
We aren't Detroit. That Town has been in trouble for decades and refused to take their own blinders off.

I also read that Harrisburg PA is having an auction of wild wild west memorabilia that the City bought (at a staggering $8 million tax-payer cost) with the hopes of opening up a wild wild west musuem.

Our politicians may be dumb, but they're not that dumb
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 19, 13 9:27 AM
You apparently have not been to Detroit since Mitch Ryder was last on the charts. Their is NO comparison of Detroit with almost any other city in the states. I will spend no time speaking of this issue with you as you lately seem to be unable to look beyond YOUR blinders. Anything I have posted in regards to this issue on this thread is law and fact, not influenced by any bias as you infer. Find some sources for your info other than this blog. Open your world. dude and have a great weekend. ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 19, 13 9:40 AM
Reality strikes again!

I did not post any information, only opinion.

"Thinking" and "logic" are the sources, and it is always my intent to use precise words and sentence structure.

The words "if, may, could, what if, and so forth" are meant to introduce hypothetical situations for discussion, not personal conclusions about, for instance, whether a police union in Sagaponack is a good idea or not.

Similarly, the mention of Detroit and the suggestion that blinders ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 19, 13 10:58 AM
Got it. As in "I'm not crazy, its everyone else"

I don't deny bias, but none of that has zilch to do with the facts stated here as opposed to your innuendo. And if you think for one moment that the shenanigans Mayor Gilbride is pulling has anything to do with $, it is evidence of your inability to see the forest for the trees. IMNSHO.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 19, 13 11:15 AM
NYS law offers the absolute right to collective bargaining for municipal employees. Should Sagaponack keep the full time roster of officers reasonable, perhaps 2-3, and augment with part-timers, they may decide not to unionize. I'm sure Sagaponack would offer their full time staff a competitive benefit package comparable with other Villages of their size. (Quogue,Sag Harbor)

An all per-diem force should be considered. Why not utilize the expertise of fully trained, recently retired officers ...more
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 2:47 PM
Somewhere in this mish-mash someone mentioned hiring officers from other jurisdictions to work part time and hiring retired officers (who would have to work part time due to earnings limitations regarding pensions). Wouldn't these officers then be paid on an hourly basis with no benefits ? (they wouldn't need them).
Then what would be the point of unionizing? They would already belong to a union either active or retired. Question-- are any of the part time police officers employed bt the ...more
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Jul 18, 13 4:37 PM
No. Part timers are not members of the police unions. NYS Taylor Law only applies to certified civil service police officers. To bring part timers in would strip the union of protection afforded them per the Taylor Law.
I also doubt that any local retired leos would take the position if their employment was intended to prevent full timers from being hired. If someone is retired from a PBAS they are members in name only. They no longer are subject to any terms of contract negotiations.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 6:33 PM
unions aside the problem is the lack of police presence in Sagaponack and I am happy the village board is looking into the problem. the speeding trucks and cars is a nightmare on Sagg Main now and it gets a lot worst in the winter months when SHTPD doesn't have any cars i n the area unless callled for and on,y in an emergency. the residents deserve more.
By xtiego (698), bridgehampton on Jul 18, 13 6:52 PM
unions aside the problem is the lack of police presence in Sagaponack and I am happy the village board is looking into the problem. the speeding trucks and cars is a nightmare on Sagg Main now and it gets a lot worst in the winter months when SHTPD doesn't have any cars i n the area unless callled for and on,y in an emergency. the residents deserve more.
By xtiego (698), bridgehampton on Jul 18, 13 6:52 PM
I applaued Sagaponack for taking the initiative and attempting to change the paradigm. I know many police officers who work full time at one agency and part time at another. Why not? I don't believe that anyone would hesitate to work for a department that has no existing union to piss-off. May of the comments here are self serving, the Town will be forced to raise the PD tax town wide should Sagaponack apply their 2 million towards their own department, and no one west of the canal wants to pay ...more
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 13 7:13 PM
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Well said, sir.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 19, 13 5:11 AM
Good luck with retired police officers suspending their pensions to work in Sagaponack other than maybe a chief who will earn over 150,000 dollars in pay. Recently retired officers make six digit pensions. Is Sagaponack going to pay its officers six digits, other than the chief? I think not. And finally, if they do this and appoint Wilson their chief, lawsuits and controversy will surely follow.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on Jul 19, 13 9:33 AM
I believe that Disgustedwithyou indicated that retired officers could earn up to $30,000 per year, working part-time, without affecting their pensions.

Is this correct?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 19, 13 11:00 AM
Yes - it applies to any government worker. As long as you don't exceed $30,000 you can collect a pension and still work as a professor, consultant, cop, security officer, clerk, attorney etc. etc.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 19, 13 3:18 PM
There is zero crime in Sagaponak. The one thing I agree with is there will never be a police department on Long Island thats not unionized.These call village police departments become ticket writers and penalizing people for small infractions.I think you have a sleepy village on your hands with bored politicians.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jul 19, 13 9:38 AM
FUou812, Can't you read??

The mess that is Southampton Town was there before Wilson, and will still be a mess long after he's gone. Wilson tries to clean it up but incestuous politics got in the way. The STPD has been unanimously shunned by all other agencies due to the administrations uncooperative nature. The DA just vacated another Street Crime conviction from 2010. Who's fault was that? KIERNAN and PEARCE, who ran the unit at that time.

You can deflect blame and cast aspersions ...more
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on Jul 19, 13 9:55 AM
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Touchy aren't we? Forget the fact that Wilson created total chaos in the Town Police (blame whoever you want for the moment), involving him in cost estimates for a new police department that he wants to run is absolutely full of self interest. And it's Alex Trebek dummy.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on Jul 19, 13 10:10 AM
What is...Remember to phrase in the form of a question!

Not touchy at all, just want to remind you and the cronies that we are watching.

So, where do we begin the dialogue? What topic? Corrupt politics, inept leadership, malfeasance, condoning substance abuse, evidence tampering, lying to IAB, perjury, lawsuits, false arrest, theft, falsifying official documents...I'm ready when you are.

By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on Jul 19, 13 10:30 AM
Wow, those look like serious charges. I guess I missed the indictments and arrests. Oh wait, there were none. Instead those charged were promoted and Wilson left in disgrace for making all that crap up. As for lawsuits, the first case was tossed because the arrest was good. I almost forgot the so-called federal investigation. Oh wait again, there wasn't any despite Wlson dropping off a box of garbage. But there is a federal investigation underway against Wilson's pal Chief Burke and we will soon ...more
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on Jul 20, 13 9:51 AM
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By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on Jul 20, 13 11:23 AM
If the arrest was "good" as you infer why was the conviction tossed out? The lawsuit was dismissed due to technical issues. The DA just vacated another Kiernan case in March, four months after Wilson retired...there must be no ongoing investigation huh?

Your twisted attempts at discrediting Wilson are to no avail. Which he was still here poaching rotten apples from the tree, but understand why he left.
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on Jul 20, 13 11:32 AM
LOL. It seems I touched a nerve. I hope you are not a police officer especially not a sergeant because your knowledge of the law is seriously lacking. The DA is tossing out convictions on cases where Brady Material (addicted cop) was not afforded to the defense. The arrests based on probable cause were good. Read the judges comments dopey. Wilson is done and so are you and your pals. The Feds are in possession of Burke's illegal influence in the Southampton IA investigation. Those investigators ...more
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on Jul 20, 13 11:58 AM
So happy it's always sunny in your little worlds!

Please retort to Disgusted's points on Kiernan pleading guilty to disciplinary charges. Does seem a bit strange if your post above is valid. And, if what you say is true, why would you post details of a Federal investigation? Aren't these message boards subject to subpoena?

This article references why Sagaponack is considering its own Police Department, really not the place for making the argument for them. If you all work for ...more
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on Jul 20, 13 12:12 PM
who is Burke?
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Jul 21, 13 7:07 AM
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So the new make-up of the department will be whom Wilson, Ganon and who else ?
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on Jul 20, 13 8:38 AM
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By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on Jul 21, 13 9:12 AM
My only question is, why is Sagaponack putting any stock in any advice or figures from someone who wants the job as chief? Wilson is self serving and a very poor financial expert. There s
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on Jul 21, 13 9:15 AM
Who do you think prepares annual budgets for police departments? The Chief does..so don't you think that having someone who has prepared many budgets is prudent? What is your opinion of Wilson's fiscal management based on?

All persons who are seeking to obtain a position are self-serving...
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on Jul 21, 13 10:01 AM
Even if Wilson was a world reknowned fiscal expert, he shouldn't be the person given cost estimates if he is trying to get the job as chief. This is just plain common sense. I see you agree that all persons seeking to obtain a position are self serving. Wilson should either give cost estimates or be a candidate, God forbid, for chief. Not both.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on Jul 22, 13 9:52 AM
West Hampton Dunes has joined the discussion.

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 24, 13 10:06 AM
I heard that Chief Burke may soon be available to run one of these departments. Chief Wilson in Sagaponack and Chief Burke in Westhampton Dunes. Two disgraced chiefs running the east end villages. You gotta love it.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on Jul 24, 13 10:12 AM
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You heard?? Well, I heard that the SH Town PD is run by a bunch of inept, corrupt cowboys, who pay homage to the local GOP to keep their secrets.. This is why Westhampton Dunes and Sagaponack are are starting their own agencies. North Haven is jumping out too, they will be contracting with Sag Harbor PD in 2014 after agreement is signed.

So I heard anyway....
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on Jul 24, 13 1:11 PM
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LOL You must be hard of hearing if you heard that North Haven is leaving SHTP. Wilson already tried them and they told him politely to get lost. He is tired of being a security guard and wants to be called chief again. Here's an idea Billy. Neptunes is looking for a chief bottle washer and you would do just fine.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on Jul 24, 13 5:48 PM
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Lol..applied, they said try the HB Diner. Close, but noooo cigar!
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on Jul 24, 13 10:38 PM