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Dec 2, 2015 7:55 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Suffolk County Planning Commission Votes Against Tuckahoe Shopping Center Zone Change

The Suffolk County Planning Commission voted 8-5 last week against a zone change needed to build a 40,000-square-foot supermarket on Magee Street that has been before the Southampton Town Board for several years.
Dec 9, 2015 11:13 AM

Despite a favorable report from its own staff, the Suffolk County Planning Commission last week voted against a proposed zone change to allow the development of Tuckahoe Center, a supermarket and retail complex on County Road 39.

While the Planning Commission’s 8-5 vote last Wednesday, December 2, does not kill the shopping center proposal, it does mean that a supermajority of the Southampton Town Board—four out of five board members—would be required to approve the zone change application. Before the commission vote, three votes could have allowed the 40,000-square-foot supermarket on property near the intersection with Magee Street.

The project was first brought to the Town Board in 2010 by developer Robert Morrow and his partners, Lance Nil, Lyle Pike and Mark Zucchero. The current application, which has been scaled back considerably since the initial presentation, calls for the construction of a 40,000-square-foot grocery store, 15,000 square feet of small retail stores, a 3,500-square-foot bank, and more than 200 parking spaces.

For the developers to accomplish the project, the Town Board would have to approve changing the zoning of 7.2 acres of land along the south side of County Road 39 from highway business to shopping center business. With approval of the county’s Planning Commission, a simple majority would have been all that was required for the Town Board to allow the change of zone.

In addition to the Suffolk County planning staff, who supported the zone change in a report to the Planning Commission, the chairman of the county’s Department of Public Works, Gilbert Anderson, addressed the Planning Commission in person prior to its vote last Wednesday, arguing in favor. He said his own staff had studied the project’s potential traffic impact—a key issue for opponents of the project, and for Town Board members considering the change of zone—and concluded that traffic on busy County Road 39 would not be significantly increased as a result of the proposed development.

But a final plea, opposing the project, seemed to have swayed the Planning Commission to outright reject the proposal. It came from Planning Commission member Barbara Roberts, who represents Southampton Town on the committee.

“In my opinion, the applicant has not demonstrated the community benefit and need for a 40,000-square-foot grocery store and 12 retail stores at this highly congested and already dangerous stretch of our main artery in and out of the South Fork,” she said in a lengthy prepared statement to her colleagues. “As this is the main and most important artery to the entire South Fork and southern route to Shelter Island, this decision has major regional significance … In my years of service on this commission representing the Town of Southampton, this unquestionably is the most important decision we have had to make for a regionally significant impact for the East End of Long Island.”

Ms. Roberts reminded fellow commission members that the current highway business zoning for the site allows only low-traffic businesses and buildings no larger than 15,000 square feet. “This zoning change request goes against 40 years of successful and consistent zoning on [County Road 39],” she said, adding later, “There are no shortage of other development options for this site.”

Citing her expertise on business and economic development as a reason for her appointment to the commission, Ms. Roberts targeted the applicant’s market analysis report, suggesting that it skewed the parameters of the study to demonstrate a need for a new supermarket. “This report was written by consultants who do not know our community,” she added.

“The focus on our decision should not be the 4,200 households near Tuckahoe requesting a new grocery store slightly nearer to their homes. We have a bigger responsibility to ensure that the 55,000 drivers who come through this corridor each day can move as safely and quickly as possible,” she said.

In her remarks, Ms. Roberts acknowledged that “it is unusual for a majority vote to occur that overrides the staff’s recommendation.” A majority of eight votes is required for a final decision by the commission; if a vote falls short of that number, even if it’s a majority decision, the matter would be referred back to the town or village “for local determination,” she noted.

The board went on to provide the necessary eight votes to outright reject its planning staff’s recommendation, and the change of zone proposal.

The final vote among commission members was cast by Chairman Dave Calone—who resigned the day after the vote, sources have confirmed. Mr. Calone did not return calls seeking comment this week.

Mr. Calone is a candidate for the Democratic nomination to seek the 1st District seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2016—and he is battling with Southampton Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst for that nomination.

On Tuesday, Ms. Throne-Holst, who has expressed support for the project in the past, pointed out that it is highly unusual for the Planning Commission to vote against a project that has been supported by the county DPW staff.

This week, after the vote, one of the property’s owners, Mr. Morrow, said he was “more than surprised” by the outcome, adding that he was “dumbfounded” that the Planning Commission would go against the planning staff’s recommendation.

“We thought that the members of the commission would look favorably on the project and approve it,” Mr. Morrow said. “I don’t know what’s going to happen. We’ve got to figure out what to do.”

“We don’t think the decision is consistent with what was presented,” John Wagner, attorney for the applicants, said this week. “The planning staff made a presentation to the commission that was basically favorable, and there was testimony before the commission that was also favorable from county officials. So, given all of the evidence, the commission should have been in support.”

He declined to say if the applicants would consider legal action against the county and the town if the measure ultimately fails to pass in Southampton.

With the rejection by the Planning Commission, general municipal law will require a majority plus one vote, meaning four of five members of the board would need to agree for the project to move forward, according to Southampton Town Planning and Development Administrator Kyle Collins.

Currently, however, the Southampton Town Board is in a state of flux. Two of the sitting board members—Ms. Throne-Holst and Councilwoman Bridget Fleming—are leaving the board at the end of the month, to be replaced by Supervisor-elect Jay Schneiderman and Councilman-elect John Bouvier, respectively.

Meanwhile, a vacant board seat will be filled in a special election on January 26, because Councilman Brad Bender was forced to resign last month after being charged with distributing prescription painkillers.

Ms. Throne-Holst said that until Mr. Bender’s seat is filled, the four-member board will not vote on any substantial projects, like the Tuckahoe Center proposal. One member who won reelection in November, Councilwoman Christine Scalera, has said she will not support the Tuckahoe Center change of zone because of concerns about the traffic impact.

For now, opponents of the project are reveling in the county’s opposition to the project, saying they hope the Town Board also will vote against the shopping center.

“Thanks to everyone who lent their time, support energy and effort to this campaign to protect what little traffic capacity we still have and further protect the value of comprehensive planning across the region,” Robert DeLuca, president of the Group for the East End, said via email on the night of the vote.

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Great. Get ready for a Joes Crab Shack or a TGIF. Or a Hooters!
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 2, 15 8:58 PM
EXCELLENT! Just have to get a new board member who will vote down this monstrous project.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 3, 15 6:19 AM
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Well then, we already have a major, and possibly defining, issue for the upcoming Southampton Town Special Election, don't we?
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 3, 15 9:07 AM
BF, The problem is, they can build on that property, just not a grocery store. Grocery stores are not in the zoning anywhere.

They could put 2 chain restaurants there. Olive Garden perhaps. A grocery may have been the lesser of the evils.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 3, 15 7:29 AM
Don't trust the Republicns to vote this down. But without accused drug dealer Brad Bender, who supported this mega mall's construction, there's less of a chance of 4 votes in favor in my opinion.
By Dodger (161), Southampton Village on Dec 3, 15 11:19 AM
Anyone at the meeting could tell you there was such Elitist Grandstanding on the part of Commissioner Barbara B. Roberts. The rug was very unfairly pulled from under the Tuckahoe Center. That woman literally said, that the people of the Town of Southampton would never want their kids working at a grocery store! She doesn't represent me, she doesn't represent the real people of the Town of Southampton. She represents the 1%. She mentioned the character of Southampton, and the project taking ...more
By B-Diz (7), Hampton Bays on Dec 3, 15 1:05 PM
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Tell me why is this needed? With all do respect if you want to live in a area where every chain/ box store is less then five minutes away why do you live here? Also you live in the Hampton"s thing are just more expensive, and another chain store WILL NOT CHANGE THAT! I am a proud life long resident of Southampton and I don't mind places like Citerella's they have good quality food and the prices are reasonable, and everyday local people are in there all the time. Look at Hampto rd now compared ...more
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Dec 4, 15 3:49 PM
I get sofa king mad having to drive through all this farmland and open acreage and hills and woods to get my cocoa crusties also.
By david h (405), southampton on Dec 4, 15 10:33 PM
"Prices are reasonable" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By kiddio (16), SOUTHAMPTON on Dec 7, 15 4:45 AM
The Price's are not that different, from Schmidt's I can get lunch at Citerella's for about the same price. You should go and see for your self.
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Dec 7, 15 9:39 PM
While it certainly would've been convenient for a quick stop-off without having to go into the village, it definitely is not needed, especially now that Stop & Shop has taken over Waldbaum's
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Dec 3, 15 2:29 PM
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No more zone changes needed thank you - what is the point of having areas zoned against overbuilding and over-construction if those zones can be constantly changed?
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Dec 3, 15 2:57 PM
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Please preserve the integrity of our ex-urbia - suburbia already exists everywhere else - Suffolk County - please remain Suffolk County - do not become Nassau County - or King or Queens County - if people want TGIF or Hooters or Olive Garden - go to those shopping malls and enjoy those environments there!
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Dec 3, 15 3:01 PM
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Vikki, Its not up to the politicians now. The zoning change was just for a grocery store-there isn't a zone that allows grocery stores, Per Se.

If the developers don't get a super majority vote in town hall, when we actually have a town board again, they will then offer the property as a "build to suit". Under highway business, they can build pretty much anything.

This vote by the County is horrible for Southampton, not because of a grocery store, but because the developers will ...more
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 4, 15 7:58 AM
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He does NOT own the property Also zoning is in place for a reason.
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Dec 4, 15 4:02 PM
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They cannot put in a high in-and-out traffic establishment there without the zone change. This is a victory for not allowing even more traffic problems on the already dangerous CR39, In the past two years there were 34 traffic accidents
on the road near the Magee Street intersection. That alone should put the nix on a zone change. And by the way, zone changes fail to protect property owners who have invested in an area where the parameters for building and traffic have been defined.
By localcitizen (110), Southampton on Dec 4, 15 9:18 AM
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I'm not sure how great a store this would have been for King Kullen. Really just drawing from exclusively Southampton people and splitting it with Stop and Shop. Considering we're bookended by ones in Hampton Bays and Bridgehampton. King Kullen has a nice niche out here with the ability to work on a higher mark-up.There are better options out there. The people who didn't want supermarket have got to be happy, whatever is put there will have a lot less traffic than a King Kullen.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Dec 4, 15 9:19 AM
Diz: since you live in Hampton Bays I'm not sure how this monstrosity effects you. There are those of us who live in the vicinity of the project who would be adversely impacted on a daily basis due to TRAFFIC ISSUES and the blight of more development. You can buy your Cocoa Krispies in HB
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 4, 15 10:17 AM
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Hey BF. It absolutely affects us. Every time I shop in the KK in HB I see people who drove from Southampton to do the same. Now it stands to reason that a KK in SOH would make my shopping experience easier and cut down on all of the cut through traffic that drives down my road.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 6, 15 7:38 AM
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The traffic drivel is and has always been a canard, and those who espouse the "traffic" as being the reason why this development should not move forward seem to be unaware of the impact of what is being said. What you are saying is that while new construction continues unabated for single family homes, whether affordable or not, and denser condo/townhouse projects, affordable or not, year after year, that no service option for supporting that rapidly expanding community can ever exist other than ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 4, 15 2:12 PM
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Pro density, pro exploitation.

You don't seem to "get it". A great many of us who have called this our home for decades are sick and damn tired of the overdevelopment.

Build as of right, or don't build at all.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 6, 15 7:23 AM
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WE DO NOT WANT OR NEED A UTI STYLE SHOPPING CENTER, GET IT? With Queen Anna's rubber stamp out of the picture, hopefully the Board will listen to the residents and deny the change of zone and send the carpetbaggers packing.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 4, 15 3:56 PM
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interesting convo back and forth, none of it surprising. pros vs cons. the commish of DPW had no specific suggestions to mitigate the real traffic concerns, just some vague "we can do it". shameful to appear before that board without an expert by his side. no wonder the 15 member panel ignored his and their staff who recommended approval of this disastrous request for a change of zone.
the hard facts of traffic cannot be ignored. the amount of cars needed to support a mega mall are too large ...more
By svo (7), southampton on Dec 5, 15 1:59 PM
SVO, you must live in a parallel universe. First, while it is a 15-member panel, only 13 were present, the vote was 8-5, not 13-0. Second, there were no "hard facts" discussed by Roberts, as those facts, ie, that the overall effect on traffic effect would be minimal, were summarily dismissed by our local representative on the commission in her self-proclaimed "genius" analysis. Many people have also read that same information and come to a completely different conclusion, including the county commission's ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 5, 15 3:40 PM
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c'mon Rickenbacker you have a stake in this right??

quick ideas:
1-mega mall, is "mini mega mall" better? even you agree how much bigger is it that anything nearby? oh a lot bigger, ok then mega mall comparatively is accurate enough in some respect ..
unless you compare 'mega' to what, riverhead or king of Prussia

2-how many of these Tuckahoe density projects and outer village developments have you been a part of?

3- is worst accident location is off by 1/2 mile ...more
By david h (405), southampton on Dec 6, 15 12:24 AM
Still don't get it.

This fork of Long Island is a confined space. Stop packing it like a sardine can.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 6, 15 7:45 AM
1 - Actually, the only thing true in your statement is that the King of Prussia mall IS truly a mega mall. I agree with you on that. Now, however, since we are talking scale and we agree on what a mega mall is (finally), we also know the proposed Tuckahoe Center is substantially SMALLER than the existing "neighborhood shopping centers" in Hampton Bays, and Bridgehampton, none of which any sensible person would affix the label "mega" or "mall". The Tuckahoe center is classified as a "neighborhood ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 6, 15 12:17 PM
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In your opinion. No one said that our beautiful area would have all the "conveniences" of wherever it is you moved from or any other slice or over developed, over commercialized UTI locale. No one moved here with the idea that what they would need is an oversized commercial development allegedly anchored by a large supermarket. Build as of right or not at all.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 6, 15 2:14 PM
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this set of reasoning seems more compelling than much of your previous commentary. I understand your thinking a lot clearer now.

please accept my sincere respect for clearly stating you are not involved.

By david h (405), southampton on Dec 6, 15 8:51 PM
From the Magee St. area, it's about eight miles either way to King Kullen in BH or HB.

The "need" is imaginary, and poppycock.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 6, 15 7:38 AM
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Hey Z. Those 8 miles can sometimes take a long time to traverse;)
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 6, 15 7:42 AM
Yes, for a few months out of the year. Any why?

Because of the density created by developers like this one. It's self defeating in the end, and will turn this place into more of a "bastard suburbia" than it is. The funniest thing is the people who come to the "country", but want "white glove". Pathetic. It's the COUNTRY for a [expletive deleted] reason.

Do you remember that anti-drug cocaine commercial back in the eighties, where the guy was walking in circles in a small white ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 6, 15 7:50 AM
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The lawyer says: "libel"
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 6, 15 9:40 AM
Z, I would maybe argue that it is more than a few months now but it adds to your point. It is getting awfully congested out here. Double edged sword.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 6, 15 1:13 PM
The Editor says: "red ink!"
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 8, 15 8:44 PM
Here's where your [expletive deleted] up is.

Those are not my words. They are a quotation from a 30 year old commercial. They are set in quotes. Quoting them as mine isn't a good idea. In fact, it shows just how bright you are...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 10, 15 6:04 PM
A "Little grocery store anchored shopping center'? Really? Obviously you are from somewhere UTI (up the Island) where entities like the Smithaven Mall, Walt Whitman Mall or Roosevelt Field Mall are commonplace and just another bit of suburban blight. Our area is not Nassau or western Suffolk , thank God. Let us pray that the change of zone that would allow this oversized , unneeded disaster to be built is denied and at least this time the developers are thwarted. Build as of right or not at all.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 6, 15 8:16 AM
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We should all remember what councilman votes for this and vote him/her out.
Enough traffic on County road 39 now.
By Elaine Bodtmann (2), Southampton on Dec 6, 15 4:24 PM
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Elaine, do you really think that traffic problems will only exist if KK opens in SOH? The horse is already out of the barn. The trade parade is not going away, ever. Opening a grocery store on 39,IMO, will have a negligible effect on traffic. What happens when the condos on Tuckahoe are finished, or when another highway construction project is completed?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 6, 15 9:19 PM
That intersection is right turn only northbound. Maybe they should do something similar to what people leaving PC Richard's should do. Instead of attempting a dangerous left turn, mosey on down the road to an intersection with a red light, like Magee St. or the light at the college.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 7, 15 7:12 AM
I shop in BH KK. I live in Southampton.

Good thing I'm not adding to the traffic...
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 6, 15 4:28 PM
Only on those late night snack runs Dragger;)
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 6, 15 9:12 PM
Didn't the County contemplate changing the light at North Magee to yellow east and west bound in the mornings effectively shutting down any north/south traffic in order to ease the carpetbagger backlog in the morning? Imagine the cluster that will occur when the light has to change more often to allow left turns onto Magee for the supermarket. Didn't King Kullen back out of the project?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 6, 15 9:28 PM
for the record:
1. according to VHB for the developer, intersections at cr39 and magee st and cr39 and cr52 are the locations of the highest accident rates along this stretch of cr39 (page 139, Table 6, EIS).

2. supermarkets truly are the heart of a village; they bring in shoppers who will then go to shops nearby to spend their money. Robert Gibbs is a retail consultant who travels the country telling towns and small cities how to survive and prosper. he was hired by southampton village ...more
By svo (7), southampton on Dec 7, 15 3:52 PM
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Except when it isn't appropriate, as in how you apply the term. If you're going to use a dictionary, why not use the actual national definitions of shopping centers, which describe a mega mall of something over 1 million sq ft, when this "neighborhood shopping center" is only 58,000 sq ft. The pumpkintown field in Water Mill is "very large" too, but I don't hear anyone calling that "mega". The Mercedes dealership, to my eye, seems "very large", but I don't call that mega. The new covered ice skating ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 8, 15 4:03 PM
Traffic mitigation on Magee Street is not the issue, CR 39 is. There is virtual eastbound gridlock for the morning carpet bagger parade and Friday afternoons from May until late September when the second home owners come out. Westbound is jammed for the afternoon rush when the carpetbaggers head back UTI , Sunday afternoons from May until late September when the second home owners go home. When there is an accident or higher than normal volume, eastbound traffic has been backed up to Hampton Bays. ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 9, 15 7:33 AM
I'm not comfortable with surburban sprawl either, but the facts of rampant residential building out here are the facts. You can't continually bury your head in the sand and claim you want it the way it was when you first moved here. That's clearly not happening. But you could help the situation by putting services closer to those who use those same arteries to get to shopping places further east and west, which will reduce that aspect of the flow. You can say mall, mall, mall all day, it doesn't ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 9, 15 12:55 PM
Our area is not "out here" to those who are from here, we don't need this oversized shopping center , especially where you want it sited, it just makes no sense. I am more than happy the way things are when it comes to services and have no problem with Stop and Shop in town, or going to King Kullen in Bridgehampton, small price to pay for living in one of the greatest places on earth. Build as of right or not at all!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 9, 15 3:48 PM
Why are we always trying to convince The Southampton town board that they should honor their own zoning regulations?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 8, 15 5:35 PM
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The board voted 8-5 last week against the zone change"

Until last week, Mr. Calone served as chairman of the Planning Commission, resigning the day after his deciding vote against the shopping center, sources have confirmed"

So the vote was 8-5, but somehow Calone cast the deciding vote?

Exactly how many votes does (did) the Chairman get to cast?

Is this some new new math?

Quantum County Planning Commission mathematics?

8 to 5 seems to indicate ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Dec 8, 15 11:33 PM
on the positive side of things, it's nice that the developer was going to tear down all of the surrounding buildings and plant all of those trees. The renderings can really show you how the forest around the complex could be revitalized.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Dec 10, 15 7:41 AM
Email the town board with a simple message: No more up-zoning. If they sell you out, vote them out.
By Craigcat (258), Speonk on Dec 11, 15 9:14 PM
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Well said. In fact, perfectly said.
By CleanWater (122), East Quogue on Dec 12, 15 10:16 AM
As of right, they can build four strip centers that would have four curb cuts on the highway and have more traffic. So be careful what you wish for....
By North Sea Citizen (568), North Sea on Dec 13, 15 7:16 AM
Assuming you are talking about the N Phillips proposal, as of right is the only defense against overall over-development. The end result in some cases may be less than ideal, but rental row on N Phillips will be a lot worse. The Speonk-Remsenburg fight is actually a Southampton town fight. We either have zoning standards or we don't. They apply to all or they don't. If zoning is purchased through campaign donations, then we have already lost our towns. Today Speonk, tomorrow your town. Every person ...more
By Craigcat (258), Speonk on Dec 13, 15 10:19 AM
I finally got to read the transcript of this meeting. Ms. Roberts has done her own quantum math for her speech. Is this woman insane? She is so out of touch with the real East End. How does a grocery store affect farm stands? Does Hank sell coco puffs? Diapers? Campbells soup? I'm still going to a farmer for my corn and tomatoes. And buying my fish locally. My Turkey at Thanksgiving will still be raised by either Tate or Ludlow. The only change will be, I'm not adding to traffic to get my staples.

Ms. ...more
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 14, 15 6:52 PM
The "developers" speculated that they would get a change of zone, incorrectly it seems.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 15, 15 7:02 AM
BF, The property is zoned "Highway Business". They only needed to rezone for the grocery store. They can still build. It may not be what you want there. And, if it falls within "Highway Business", it won't even be announced until they have an excavator idling on the property. Did you hear about the mega-convenience store being built by Sunoco? It's right next door to this property. No, it just happened.

They also own the IGHL How about a drug rehab there? Falls within code. A Mini storage ...more
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 15, 15 7:50 AM
Laughable. Something is being built there.

If all of the NIMBY folks got together with the Dems (TB, are you listening?) and offered the developers CPF funds to purchase the property, at fair market value, maybe you could leave the property in the "8 mile" state it is now. Or turn it into a park with a playground for all of the kids that live in the area- which is going to increase when the Corrigans develop their property, not to mention the kids from "Bisshops Pond" and that new condo ...more
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 15, 15 8:12 AM
Common sense finally prevailed over the developers, their political handlers, their attorneys, and their paid elected officials and government bureaucrats who have been posting on 27 East. For them, it's all been about money, money, money and the community, fatal accidents, and traffic be damned!

Barbara Roberts in her finest moment said, "“This zoning change request goes against 40 years of successful and consistent zoning on [County Road 39],” and all the unbiased, comprehensive ...more
By Obbservant (449), southampton on Dec 18, 15 5:03 AM
What utter nonsense. Babara Roberts gave a hack job of a review at that meeting. She cherry-picked her "facts" and gave a long rambling estimate from her personal opinion, without even considering her own professional staff's recommendations. In fact, she simply dismissed them.

Oh, she only had a “moment" to you because she is in the same angry, leaky, boat of “No" as you. No development ever, that is. Oh, unless maybe a developer who happens to have gotten his project by you ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 18, 15 10:52 AM
Tuckahoe Center is not a PDD.

Tuckahoe Center is a zoning change. There isn't a zone in Southampton that allows Grocery stores...

If that was Barbara Roberts "Finest Hour" I would hate to see her worst. "For over 300 years, residents on the South Fork have
gone to our villages and farm stands, local butchers and seafood markets to shop for food. Our
villages are our shopping centers." I go to a Hamlet for my groceries. Hampton Bays. Travelling the very road that the ...more
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 19, 15 7:12 AM
If you want 24/7 convenience, move somewhere that has it like Nassau. The rural quality of the East End is, and slowly becoming was part of it's character.

I remember going to the Sears catalog store in Bridgehampton to order school clothes as a child. Many of us out here are of a different type. We stock our pantries. We have deep freezes. We own generators. Bottom line, we prepare. If you don't want that lifestyle, don't impose your "convenience" on people who actually know how ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 19, 15 7:29 AM

We have the busiest 7-11 in the world. SUNOCO is renovating their Southampton service station-one of the last "Service Stations" in Southampton-to be a mega convenience mart trying to cash in on 7-11's success. Yes, right on the very corner that the grocery store is being denied, a mega convenience store-called "A Plus Mart"- is being built. How did Town Hall allow this? No need for permission other than a building permit. The Architecture of this mega convenience store doesn't ...more
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 19, 15 7:56 AM
Nonsense? "To many others, Roberts is just another example of the "just say no" crowd, even when facts are presented in front of them and experts on a particular issue come up with recommendations that are opposite from your world view."

By facts you obviously mean the those conclusions from Bob Morrow's hired "experts" paid to propound his schemes. Morrow bought some parcels cheap in an assemblage and bought rights to others, because their authorized use was for decades limited to 15,000 ...more
By Obbservant (449), southampton on Dec 19, 15 8:09 AM
Read any of my comments above. I am not paid or part of any developer or any development. I have an opinion on where the future of the community needs to go, based on facts, not on a fantasy of days gone by. Whenever someone disagrees with you, you always they must be "on the take". Guess what? Not me. I think your viewpoints on traffic are a concern, but not an insurmountable one. I've lived here for over 30 years, most of it in Southampton, and have traveled to other parts of the world west of ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 21, 15 10:13 AM
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The doomed project was never "needed" and I call Bravo Sierra on your assertion that you are not on the payroll of some developers, no one could possibly be in favor of every project proposed without some financial gain.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 21, 15 11:12 AM
I don't think I've much posted on other projects, but I'll help you here. Don't think the Hills project is a good idea, was on the fence about the Rechler project, not so sure about the Gateway PDD. However, I am for the Tuckahoe project as I see a clear community benefit, and I am also for the sewer project to some extent, because it's long past time. I call Bravo Sierra on your contention. Roberts' speech at the commission was a sham, as it was simply a regurgitation of many of the discredited ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 22, 15 1:42 PM
if this is a smaller super market are you really convinced and inconvenienced so much to make semi monthly trips to H Bays or Riverhead?
..is it me because I find price and selection fantastic in riverhead and I have never minded the drive. the local landscape is so wonderful that I never mind it .. and doing it on my own schedule is never a traffic jam (dud hwo would go on Saturday!)
By david h (405), southampton on Dec 26, 15 11:56 AM