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Jan 25, 2012 10:59 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton Village Supermarket Law Takes a Pummeling, May See Revisions

Jan 25, 2012 11:28 AM

The courts, he said, would not look at the proposed law and decide whether it provided a public benefit, he said. “All they have to look at is whether it is rational or not,” he said. In Southampton’s case, he said, the village could point to something as simple as boosting the local business climate, reinvigorating an abandoned site, or even sprucing up a village entrance as legitimate public policy reasons.

As for some residents’ cries of placing the cart before the horse—having the deal in place prior to passage of the zone change—Mr. Thiele said that was very common. “It may contribute to the perception out there that maybe this thing was wired from the start,” he said. “But the fact of the matter is that those types of contracts happen all the time.”

Bob DeLuca, president of the Bridgehampton-based environmental organization Group for the East End, spoke along similar lines. “Municipalities have great latitude in terms of how they zone property,” he said. When asked if he thought the Southampton Village proposal constituted spot zoning, he said, “It’s hard for me to say. I think there’s a real question about meeting the test of public health, safety and welfare.”

Meanwhile, Abraham Wallach, a village resident who said he was very familiar with zoning from his work as a city planner and developer and who has taken a lead role in opposing the plan, said on Tuesday, “I think if you put everything on a scale—public benefits versus the negative—that scale would be tipped all the way to the bottom of the side of ‘we don’t need this.’”

The Village Board left open the public hearing for further comment. It will resume during the next board meeting, which is scheduled for 6 p.m. on Thursday, February 9, at Village Hall on Main Street.

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Let's see: development of defunct property; creation of local jobs; more product choices for shoppers; increased competition which usually means lower prices and better service. Please do the right thing.
By Richard Blumenthal (13), Westhampton Beach on Jan 25, 12 1:03 PM
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Jobs.

90% of which will most likely pay minimum wage (7.25/hr), or at the most $9.00/hr. Try living on $200 a week, and get back to us.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 25, 12 2:17 PM
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Well Richard you live in Westhampton Beach. As we all know talk is cheap. How about if the County put up housing for 100 homeless famililies (they have the land) at Gabresli? I think they should.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Jan 27, 12 3:12 PM
So anyone who works a minimum-wage job should just quit their jobs because they are practically worthless in your opinion? Their work has no value? Maybe to you.
But I know quite a few people who work minimum wage jobs...Some are young, and it's their first job...Some are older and have to supplement their fixed income...And some have it as a second job because they need it to get by. I know others who are out of work who would be happy to have any job.
You know what's worse than trying ...more
Jan 31, 12 11:54 AM appended by TheWaterMillian
(Directed to Mr.Z, not Richard)
By TheWaterMillian (34), Water Mill on Jan 31, 12 11:54 AM
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Trader Joe’s Trader Joe’s Trader Joe’s or nothing you people make me laugh!
just listen to how you try to engineer capitalism.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jan 25, 12 1:27 PM
Fresh Market is a good company that runs clean, well organized stores.
I for one will be there from the moment they open.
Frankly, Trader Joe's isn't all that, get over it !
By SIslander (5), Shelter Island on Jan 25, 12 1:46 PM
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Spot zoning? what about the "convience stores on the highway like the 7-11?
If y'all let this one get away from the community it will be a big loss. If the Village wants to continue to have a responsible businesses within it's bounds then take it from me and all the other residents of Southampton who spend the winter in the area of The Villages of N/Central Fla. I'm sure Kathleen would not put her product in a lesser quality store. And I am so happy to have Tate's Cookies here where I can ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jan 25, 12 2:46 PM
Another thing every worker I encounter in Fresh Market seems very happy. They greet the customer with a smile and treat us (even seemingly stupid questions) with respect. Their pay is a bit above par for this area of Florida. I asked! The store is very clean. As I've said before it will not be such a threat to Schmidt's because of the distance between them. Fresh Market will only be an addittion to the east end of the village.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jan 25, 12 2:53 PM
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Summertime, do you own stock in this company? Are you a partner? Does your child or husband bag groceries there?
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jan 26, 12 9:19 PM
No to Tuckahoe, but yes to this? Typical crony BS.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jan 25, 12 2:55 PM
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Excuse me, but when I think of grocery store, I don't think of Trader Joe's, Whole Foods, or Fresh Market! How about some real local competition to Waldbaum's and King Kullen. Stop and Shop or a Shoprite is what we need.
Not all of us are as concerned with the price of arugala as our Dear Leader Obama was in 2008!
By cedric (22), Southampton on Jan 25, 12 3:44 PM
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Have any traffic studies been presented yet? That's the biggest problem. A small gourmet store is not what people want for a supermarket. A Best Yet market would be a good alternative. Then there would be competition for Schmidts, Citarellas,and farm stands...The problem with these people coming in here is that they have not spent the winter here. They are used to the year round wealthy zip codes. Not the two months it takes to make it year round.
By Toma Noku (616), uptown on Jan 25, 12 7:56 PM
I like arugula... really, makes a great salad, walnuts and pears, a nice dressing.
What were we talking about? Oh that airplane hanger called a museum!
By ride the truth wave (125), southampton on Jan 25, 12 10:23 PM
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The village of no wants to put a supermarket at the busiest east end intersection? The village that is worried about comercial development and gaudy signs wants a supermarket? They don't want a supermarket like King Kullen further down on 39 because of traffic problems, but a supermarket at a 4 way intersection is ok? Something smells in Hazzard County
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jan 26, 12 12:00 AM
You have no idea just how classy and upscale The fres Market is so stop yer beefin'. Kathleen of Tate's Cookies thought high enough of the very small chain to allow her product to be sold there. Every Sountamptonite that I know of in The Villages, Fla is happy to go to The Fresh Market.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jan 26, 12 8:35 PM
The over-development fanatics who cannot live without 10 grocery stores in a 15 mile radius don't want upscale, they want affordable.

How long were you held captive in the Fresh Market reeducation camp?
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jan 26, 12 9:21 PM
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By harbor (415), East Hampton on Jan 26, 12 3:50 PM
It would be a good thing if the Trustees of the village would avail themselves of the information on this highly recommended store, The Fresh Market/
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jan 26, 12 8:37 PM
Attention Fiddlers !!!!

Wake up !!!

It does not matter one WHIT what market is proposed for this location.

The location is probably the WORST place to put a food market in Southampton Village.

Are you brain-dead?

If God and Jesus proposed to open the Market of The Almighty here (with a guaranty of the Life Eternal), it would STILL be a terrible location.

Fiddle On !!!

Keep re-arranging deck chairs on The Titanic !!!
By Nero (301), Sag Harbor on Jan 26, 12 9:22 PM
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PS -- and don't forget The Golden Rule:

"He Who Has the Gold, Makes the Rule."

Perhaps this location would be a perfect spot for Bay Street Theater?

Fiddlers, unite!
By Nero (301), Sag Harbor on Jan 26, 12 9:35 PM
Guess how many new applications for "relief" are going to be generated by this rezoning ? Our ruling aristocracy is slowly pissing away this Village for short term gains. And what happens when Fresh Market goes away ? What's next ? The number 4 train from Flushing ? And let's not forget Southampton Meadows condominiums that just got thrown under the bus.
"Take paradise........... "fougedaboudit. it's already been took.
By lazymedic (100), southampton on Jan 28, 12 12:05 PM
The Pope loves Fresh Market . So when he stops here He wants his Stuffv.
By patrickstar (67), hampton bays on Jan 28, 12 1:55 PM
Just went to my first Fresh Markat in Fla-very good store
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jan 28, 12 3:50 PM
The supermarket in FLA is classy??? What has that have to do with anything? So you went to a fresh market in FLa and it was nice. I'm very happy for you. How are the cantaloupes, Sheesh!!! I'm sure any chain supermarket is going to build a very nice and classy place for you to shop. I would think that location is probably the worst place to build a supermarket, if in fact a supermarket was even in the best short, and long term vision of this community.
Before you start asking what ...more
By good vs evil (4), southampton on Jan 29, 12 9:59 AM
Let's lay it down. Don't get hung up on Supermarket or whatever smoke and mirrors the legacy seekers look to cloud your synapses with. You need more competition out in Southampton for Nusbaums. Don't let the excrement stirrers tell you differently. This ain't it though. You do NOT need some overpriced ego massager filled with demitasse and pinkies in the air. It does you NO good. What you want is a nice place with good prices that will attract boatloads of shoppers. Yeah, that's the ticket.
By PrEtEnDeR (2), East Hampton on Jan 30, 12 7:37 PM
Whole Food or Fresh Market
By Bel (86), southampton on Jan 31, 12 3:51 PM
The fact is that there is not room at this site or any other I can think of within the Village for a supermarket like Stop & Shop or a King Kullen. Those stores certainly are not going to be able to use a site like this for a store because it's too small. And any place you could find in the village (on some highway) is going to have the same traffic issues everyone is mentioning. The spot in question can accommodate a smaller MARKET which is what this is. It is not a SUPERmarket because its ...more
By nancyloo (13), Southampton on Feb 1, 12 1:59 PM