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Jul 9, 2012 11:45 AMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Protesters Turn Out At Romney Fundraiser On Meadow Lane

Jul 10, 2012 6:00 PM

Walking to the sound of a beating drum, discordant notes from a saxophone and the clashing of voices, nearly 200 protesters made their way to the intersection of Meadow and Halsey Neck lanes in Southampton Village on Sunday, standing outside for hours in the heat chanting and yelling at supporters of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney who were making their way to a $50,000-per-guest fundraiser at the nearby home of David Koch.

The Koch fundraiser was one of three this past weekend on the East End for the Romney campaign, including an event at former U.S. Ambassador Clifford Sobel’s home, also on Meadow Lane, and at Ronald Perelman’s estate, The Creeks, in East Hampton—where David Fink and Simon Kinsella, both of Wainscott, were arrested for trying to get their sailboat past security on Georgica Pond.

While it would be unfair to say the protest at the Koch home was uneventful, police did not need to take action.

Meadow Lane, from Coopers Beach to Halsey Neck Lane, was shut down so protesters could have a place to exercise their right of free speech. Southampton Village, New York State and Suffolk County police officers and members of the Secret Service were stationed along the road, making sure no one got out of hand or crossed the barrier.

Southampton Village Mayor Mark Epley stood on the western side of Halsey Neck Lane to help police get residents through the traffic stop, as helicopters hovered above the gathering.

“My purpose here is to ensure that everyone gets through safely and residents have access to the beach,” he said on Sunday, adding that he knows who lives in the village and was able to help direct police. Those who had no business going down Meadow Lane were turned away.

While the protest was non-violent, tensions were high as some people verbally attacked those who did turn right on Meadow Lane toward the Koch house.

Shannone Rhea of Sag Harbor stood shouting, “Shame on you!” and “Koch whores!” to passersby, the latter a play on the host’s name, which is pronounced “coke.” Some attendees laughed in response to the admonitions, and some ignored the ruckus. Others took photos of the protest.

The marchers, many of whom identified with the Long Island Progressive Coalition, Occupy Wall Street, Moveon.org and other groups, took issue with the idea that one ticket would cost $50,000. “Our election system no longer represents us, and the people attending the fundraiser are buying our election, and I figured I should let them know that,” Ms. Rhea said. “We’re protesting Romney and Obama. They all do it.”

“There are still injustices being done to the 99 percent by the 1 percent,” said Aron Kay of Brooklyn. “The election is being prostituted.”

Mr. Kay said he has been involved in protests since he was 16 years old, first during the Vietnam War. While there were many veteran protesters, younger citizens from across the state turned out in a big way.

Walker Bragman of East Hampton stood at the very front of the police barricade and yelled, “The average age of a conservative is 65, I’m 24—stop screwing up my country!”

When asked why he decided to come out and protest, Mr. Bragman said he studied government in college and expressed his discontent with how elections are run.

“I’m sick of money in politics,” Mr. Bragman said. “This is not how our system is meant to be, and I feel like as a generation, we don’t really understand how it works—it takes time. We want everything now, now, now. I’m here because I understand how it works and I really think we need a change in this country, something we can all believe in.”

Mr. Bragman’s booming voice was joined by other angry voices, blowing whistles and the droning of a plane high above the protest, flying a Moveon.org banner reading, “Romney has a Koch Problem.”

David Koch, co-owner of Koch Industries, which owns subsidies in manufacturing, trading and investments, founded the Americans For Prosperity non-profit political advocacy group in 2004. Since then, the group has financially backed Republican presidential candidates and conservative movements, such as the Tea Party.

Not including the weekend’s fundraisers, conventions or SuperPAC contributions, Mr. Romney has so far raised approximately $119,550 from donors in the Hamptons, according to the Washington Examiner. President Obama has raised approximately $165,867.

During the 2008 presidential race, Republican senator and presidential candidate John McCain attended a similar dinner at The Creeks, Mr. Perelman’s estate, where attendees paid $28,500 per plate.

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democracy for sale!!

get your democracy here!!

50k a plate!!!!!
Jul 9, 12 12:37 PM appended by Mr. Z
only a year's gross salary!!! come on down!!!
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 9, 12 12:37 PM
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How does this fundraiser differ from the ones hosted by Hollywood types for Obama held in the hamptons? Instead of protestin and blocking off a taxpayer funded road, how about improving your skills so you can make enough money to live. jealousy will get you no where. Those of us who pay are own way are fed up with having to support you!
By Walt (292), Southampton on Jul 9, 12 12:54 PM
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Hypocrites. Not a peep about Obama's fundies. $80,000 per couple at Sara Jessica Parkers house. Give me a break.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 9, 12 12:57 PM

"The simple minded and the uninformed can be easily led astray."

~ John Mellencamp, "Walk Tall"
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 9, 12 1:35 PM
Presidents are elected because they hang w/ rich people who support their campaigns, then in turn get favors. It will happen again regardless of who wins. I don't jive on this one set of standards thing. It's garbage.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 9, 12 1:49 PM
Did you read the article. or was it too complicated for you. According to a demonstrator, “We’re protesting Romney and Obama.”
By danrudan (40), Southampton on Jul 9, 12 1:59 PM
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True, Dan. The article does state that. Yet, Mr. Obama has had similar events and all I've heard was crickets.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 9, 12 2:07 PM
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maybe because romney is a lifelong plutocrat, and the greater threat to democracy.

plutocracy and oligarchy, via polyarchy. brought to you by the same people who brought you the crash of 2008.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 9, 12 3:25 PM
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I have to disagree. Our current president has done things that are really alarming. How far does he in a 2nd term? I really don't want to know.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 9, 12 4:20 PM
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"Put it this way: Has there ever before been a major presidential candidate who had a multimillion-dollar Swiss bank account, plus tens of millions invested in the Cayman Islands, famed as a tax haven?

And then there’s his Individual Retirement Account. I.R.A.’s are supposed to be a tax-advantaged vehicle for middle-class savers, with annual contributions limited to a few thousand dollars a year. Yet somehow Mr. Romney ended up with an account worth between $20 million and $101 ...more
Jul 10, 12 5:21 PM appended by Mr. Z
If he won't come clean, there must be a wrecking ball in the details, eh? What say you?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 10, 12 5:21 PM
Walt and Double Standard...you are Sooooo correct!!! Thank you!!!
By Jan (25), Hampton Bays on Jul 9, 12 1:10 PM
do you think these people have money because of their skill set?

if fraud and corruption area skill set, then you may have a point...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 9, 12 3:34 PM
if obama is einstein, does that make romney hawking?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 9, 12 4:48 PM
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Wall Street's link to Libor

Americans still assume the London banking rates scandal doesn't affect them – but they're wrong

By Robert Reich

Britain is abuzz with the Libor scandal, but so far it's been a yawn in the United States. That's because Americans have assumed that the wrongdoing is confined to the other side of the pond. After all, "Libor" is short for "London interbank offered rate", and the main culprit to date has been London-based Barclays. It's further ...more
Jul 10, 12 5:13 PM appended by Mr. Z
Can I say it now? Yes I can. I TOLD YOU SO. Your loss, their gain, 90% of the country loses...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 10, 12 5:13 PM
The demonstration was held in Southampton at the Koch brothers mansion and the protesters were there to take a proactive stance against money in politics.

The question is not why we did not protest in Hollywood, the question is why YOU did not protest in Hollywood. Get up off of your recliners and go out and do something positive instead of envying those that do.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jul 9, 12 1:20 PM
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I vote. You can too. You want real change then get a band of rebels and start a revolution. Short of that you are just getting a sunburn on your neck. There are rich people. Rich people have influence over EACH or ANY party. It's gross and it's reality. When you and your rebels are ready let me know and I'll support your flank. We can start by throwing some Twinings in all the pools on Halsey Neck.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 9, 12 2:04 PM
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Drink up!
By danrudan (40), Southampton on Jul 9, 12 2:22 PM
I was there too, more to observe and talk to some of the people who were actively participating in the protest. I don't support either of the two evils. I will be writing in Ron Paul. Some may say this is a waste of my time/vote but Obama will get the electoral vote from NY and wether I vote for he or Mitt my vote is a waste due to the fact that the popular vote doesn't count and all votes for the winner of any state after the one that puts them ahead of the other candidate are already a waste! ...more
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Jul 9, 12 10:58 PM
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Double Standard, raising awareness is what gets people to the polls. Civil demonstration is a hallmark of our democracy and the more people who participate the better. No one need look any further than the civil rights act to understand just how important it is to organize and demonstrate.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jul 10, 12 2:02 PM
Never forget that $50,000 and they still only get one vote.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jul 9, 12 1:55 PM
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As though a vote counts anymore
By concerned east ender (49), Sag Harbor on Jul 10, 12 6:45 AM
'It doesn't matter who votes.What matters is who counts the votes" Stalin
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Jul 15, 12 1:47 PM
Rightwing, Job Shipping Randy Altschuler, the N.J. Carpetbagger and Mitt Romney are both Koch (pronounced coke as in cocaine) brother puppets. Their intent is to strip the middle class of health benefits and the elderly of medicare and to enrich the oil and gas companies with huge tax breaks and permits to drill of the Atlantic Coast including the Hamptons and Montauk.

The radical right also want to repeal the voting rights act (bill in the Texas legislature right now) and not allow insurance ...more
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Jul 9, 12 2:36 PM
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No surprise the protests were organized by a convicted terrorist and a number of radical fringe organizations. It’s ironic that the alleged reason for the protest is supposed ‘outrage’ at the role of money in politics but considering the record-setting fundraising by Obama the hypocrisy of the Left and their attempts to mislead the public are obvious.

The clear message from the Left is that fundraising for their preferred candidates is fine, but donations to those with ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Jul 9, 12 7:10 PM
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A little out on a limb, wouldn't you say there Phil? Unions... really? "Telling us he doesn't care about poor people", RU serious? Healthcare is being taken away from millions through Obamacare - remember, you can keep your policy and doctor if you wish. True enough if you weren't being layed off or the policy dropped because your employer could no longer afford to have you on the books, or the doctor didn't bail.

Ensuring the integrity of elections, promoting individual success for ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Jul 10, 12 7:49 AM
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Out on a limb in the sense that I made no mention of anything remotely related to unions but off you go once again on an unrelated rant. I love liberals, they have this uncanny ability to know what we're all thinking, what we've done in our lives, what's best for us, and unilaterally take credit for all things good and remove themselves from all things bad.
Jul 15, 12 7:52 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Since you mentioned it. Public-sector workers had a union membership rate (37.0 percent) more than five times higher than that of private-sector workers (6.9 percent). Workers in education, training, and library occupations had the highest unionization rate, at 36.8 percent, while the lowest rate occurred in sales and related occupations (3.0 percent). Among states, New York continued to have the highest union membership rate (24.1 percent)
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Jul 15, 12 7:52 PM
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Nope, never mentioned unions. It's easy to miss something that's not there. One of the first steps in establishing centralized Nazi control in Germany was the elimination of state governments. Sound familiar - how many law suites does Obama have against the states? The unions were forcibly merged with the Nazi organization, a far cry from what you are alledging. Much to your disappointment I'm sure, this isn't Nazi Germany, yet.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Jul 18, 12 3:58 PM
Whether it's Donald Trump questioning our president's citizenship or the Texas legislature demanding picture ID to vote or the animal Joe Wilson shouting out in the halls of congress to the president of the United State," You lie," (something he would have never said to a white president), the radical racist right must be stopped.
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Jul 9, 12 8:10 PM
Yeah, ok. It's racism. It has nothing to do with policy, right?
A. Donald Trump is an idiot and last I checked not a member of govt.
B. You need I.D. to buy cigarettes and alcohol, right? Proof of age. In a sense proof of your right to purchase what you desire. That same proof should be required for the right to vote. Of the 3 it is the most important.
C. The "you lie" statement was disrespectful. But was it not accurate?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 9, 12 8:53 PM
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YOU LIE !!!
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jul 16, 12 12:55 AM
Calling all Republican Ron Paul Delegates and wanna-be delegates to the Nationiol Convention in Tampa Florida this August. Join in the historic lawsuit now before the courts to protect the delegates the plaintiffs in the case.
The lawsuit seeks a courts guidance whether delegates are free to vote their conscience at the convention free from fear, coercion or threats of any kind.
The lawsuit also seeks to have the court order Federal Marshals to protect the delegates since RNC state apparatus ...more
By Johnny Nova (83), Northampton on Jul 9, 12 11:35 PM
Double Standard,

Thanks for your thoughtful and well-stated response. I would like to respectively argue some of your points:

The Republicans, before their convention, are honoring Donald Trump as “Statesman of the Year.” He represents the right and he is fair game even though he is not in the government. His obsession with questioning President Obama’s citizenship - something he would never do to a white President - defines him as a racist. I do agree Donald ...more
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Jul 10, 12 5:50 AM
Yeah, but you labeled the Radical Right as racists. So if you disagree with this president are you a member of the radical right? Does that by default make you a racist? 90% of black voters voted for Obama. Isn't that a clear case of racism? I mean that's real data right there. You site the actions of a blowhard, voter ID (which you label as racist), and one man yelling "you lie" as evidence of sweeping racism. With all due respect, that's absolutely ridiculous and incredibly weak.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 10, 12 8:34 AM
D.S., my friend,

You misunderstood my comments.

I labeled Donny Trump's obsession (he would have never gone after a white president) as racist and Walsh, the moron from South Carolina's comment, as a racist (he would have never shouted out to a white president).

I didn't say, nor do I believe, that every Republican is a racist. I have Republican friends who despise Trump, Walsh, and the Koch brothers, but disagree with Obama's policies. I am well aware that Bush had ...more
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Jul 10, 12 12:14 PM
Fair enough. Disagree on your racism point re. voting as the identifying factor was skin color (race). If I voted for Romney because I can identify with him being white then I'd be stamped a racist. Right? But it matters not. Of the 2 imperfect candidates I think Romney is the lesser of 2 evils. I assure you that has nothing to do with race. You may be surprised to learn that I have voted for Democrats more than I have for Repubs in presidential elections. Just not this time.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 10, 12 3:24 PM
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Where were these same fleabaggers when Barak Hussein Obama, peace be upon Him, had his 80K per plate fundraiser in the city at Sarah Jessica Parker's place??!! The hypocrisy of the left is stunning. Do these parasites think that their ranting makes any difference in the real world?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 10, 12 5:52 AM
Look at the Wisconsin recall. Spending was 8 : 1, winner to loser, respectively.

Monkey see, monkey do, or YOU LOSE.

Thanks to all the money corrupting our democratic process, this is what "We" get.
Jul 10, 12 6:11 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, now that I think about it, how many other countries in this world have elected WOMEN as leaders in the last 235 years? Things that make you go, hmmmmmm...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 10, 12 6:11 AM
considering it was just the fourth at all I have a little quiz question. let's see how many history buffs we have out there.

who was it that warned the colonists that the british were coming?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 10, 12 8:31 AM
Philathome?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 10, 12 9:35 AM
Come on DS, it's a serious interrogative. Who was it?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 10, 12 10:45 AM
As taught in grade school? Paul Revere. As I recall that was a bit of a myth though. I can cheat and Google it, but that's no fun. I believe Revere did have something to do with it, but did not ride his horse screaming "The British are coming!" I should just Google it and try to look smart, but I don't want to interrupt my lunch. What's the answer? It wasn't Phil? I think Phil was the guy who rode through Southampton screaming "The Radical Right is coming!" Yes?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 10, 12 3:17 PM
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Actually it was a man named Israel Bissel who rode 350 miles.

Paul Revere rode maybe 20, and the only persons he could have warned were some people in Cambridge.

Maybe if we taught real History, and not a pop culture version, things would be different...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 10, 12 4:13 PM
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I googled it. "Paul Revere, Samuel Prescott and William Dawes. Paul Revere warned Samuel Adams and John Hancock directly while Samuel Prescott warned the people of Concord."
This Bissel guy isn't very popular.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 10, 12 5:00 PM
Fancy that.

"That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."

~ Aldous Huxley


"We have the power to make this the best generation of mankind in the history of the world or to make it the last."

~ John F. Kennedy

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 10, 12 8:41 PM
You know what I find pathetically entertaining?

The fact that the "right", and fringers like the "Tea Party" only tell you 2/3 of the story. Yes, the Founders revolted against ridiculous taxes. Yes, they rebelled to have freedom from an oppressive and "BIG" government.

The last third they DON'T tell you is they also rebelled from the ARISTOCRACY which was choking the life out of their prospertiy in this new land. Socioeconomic disparity was a MAJOR factor in the American Revolution.

If ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 10, 12 4:59 PM
Z - aren't you alarmed at these deficits? Do you think that Obamacare will be good or bad for small businesses, and as a result hiring. You already voiced your opinion on the immunity issue. I understand what you are saying (sometimes) but I'm not sure why you'd rather Obama recklessness and ineptitude over Romney. Is Romney even really a Republican? For the first time in my adult life I actually fear a president's 2nd term. I think he can do serious harm.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 10, 12 5:46 PM
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My problem is that all these "problems" we have were mostly dormant for 40 years. A chaotic world was more to blame between 1940, and 1980 than economic miscreance for people's woes.

We returned ourselves to the policies of the early 20th century just after the Federal Reserve Act, and look what happened. Crash of '29 all over again, except our "adding machines" have Central Processing Units. I cannot trust a man who will not disclose his finances, when fiscal fraud is RAMPANT. If he ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 10, 12 8:28 PM
We have more people on food stamps than ever before. We have more people collecting SS disability payments than ever before. I know people who work only so much as to keep their income levels low enough so they can continue to receive health NY. The system breeds apathy and creates a greater divide. Not everyone has your work ethic Z.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 11, 12 7:00 AM
@ Z. We all have our reasons. I'm willing to give Romney a chance because Obama has given me no reason to give him more chances. And if elected I hope Romney is fiscally conservative, socially moderate, and personally responsible. If Obama is re-elected, well then, who knows? Maybe he goes the route of Clinton term 2. I fear he won't.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 12, 12 8:16 AM
I think it's the gaming of the system, and the lack of oversight to prevent it. There's really no one watching the hen house.

I think when it comes to work ethic, it's a matter of self respect, and honor. Providence knows that I'm no angel, but I won't sell someone else out for my own benefit. When people commit that kind of fraud, they sell everyone else down the river to advance themselves. There are various reasons like anger, enmity, or even a sense of "getting even" by staying ...more
Jul 12, 12 5:19 PM appended by Mr. Z
Almost forgot to mention that at this point, neither "major" candidate has earned my vote.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 12, 12 5:19 PM
@ DS:

Are the defecits alarming? Sure they are. What's more disturbing is the inverse relation to tax cuts, and soaring defecits. What's even more disturbing is they have made money an abstract, instead of a concrete measure of worth.

As far as the health care Act, I see things that are important like pre-existing conditions not being turned away, and extended coverage for students. It's an unfortuate truth that when confronted with acting ethically, and turning a profit ethics ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 12, 12 5:55 PM
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you should read the recent report by the CBO discussing the fiscal cliff and outlining the effect on the economy of raising taxes. We need to reign in the spending through entitlement reform and cut defense spending
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 14, 12 10:20 PM
There have always been those who are more financially successful than the majority and there have always been those who need help to make their way. No problem there. Where I have an issue with the progressive mind set is that there seems to be a need for equal outcome for all, that's just not the way it is in the real world. Class envy seems to be the only thing they are preaching. Instead of putting forth a positive message that there is opportuinity for success through sacrifice and HARD WORK, ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 10, 12 5:11 PM
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Success is one thing.

Massive money printing and FRAUD to build "wealth" is a crock of lazy a** ***t, and you know it.

By the way, I think that's the smartest thing you have ever posted.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 10, 12 8:31 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Johnny Nova (83), Northampton on Jul 12, 12 5:42 PM
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Johnny's comment may have looked like a "rant", but alot of the info was accurate.

When it comes to Romney, well, it reminds me of Lex Luthor running for POTUS in the Superman storyline...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 13, 12 5:25 PM
Just a question . . . who paid for the busses? Or do you think all those people just chipped im?
Whoever paid for the busses got half page of Anti Romney coverage on the Southampton Press FREE. Not a bad deal.
By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on Jul 14, 12 8:41 AM
Here is our future, thanks to Plutocratic policy. For reference, Jefferson County's woes are due to banking fraud, credit default swaps, and other fancy fiscal machinations like securitization that flip, and defer responsibility to other parties from the originator for short term gain.


July 12, 2012 – PENNSYLVANIA – Last Friday, the city of Scranton sent out paychecks to its employees, as it does every two weeks. But these checks were for amounts significantly smaller ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 15, 12 11:03 AM
I agree with most of what was said but Mayor Doherty should also point out the Unions attitude of uncompromise. Layoffs, concessions on employee benefits, increased employee contribution for pension and employee benefts are the norm in the private sector. Perhaps the public sector should follow suit. Gvt on all levels should make a best effort to operate within their means and show financial prudence
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 15, 12 3:31 PM
Fiscal prudence goes out the window in places like Jefferson County. Some slick bankers sold the local pols, a few low level guys went to jail, and there's a billion dollar debt for a sewer project. In fact, I don't know how the debt to JPMorgan isn't "dirty hands". The the manipulation of the muni-bond market in Pennsylvania? Massive fraud cheating municipalities, and enriching the banks.

Yet, the banks pay a meager fine for "no admitted wrongdoing", but the municipality goes bankrupt.

Maybe ...more
Jul 15, 12 6:19 PM appended by Mr. Z
Most recent total I could find: May 22, 2012 - 4.1 billion dollars in debt. For a maybe 500K with cost overruns modern sewer system. Original estimates were 250K for the system.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 15, 12 6:19 PM
The elected officials are the ones I would hold most responsible for this. They overextended themselves and got the whole town in a hole they cant climb out of. They obviously had no clue as to what they were doing financially. Im sure the people of the town re elected them though
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 16, 12 9:22 AM
No. You don't seem to get it. Many of these municipalities were sold a product that was presented, and rated 'AAA", but when in fact it was a debt load time bomb waiting to explode.

Yes, there were some bribes to local officials. No banker went to jail for that. Yes, there was chicanery. But easily 80% of it was on the part of the BANKS, not the municipalities. They, in many cases KNOWINGLY SOLD PILES OF **** AS GOLD. And, who pays for it all?
Jul 16, 12 2:47 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, just for reference JPMorgan PAID Goldman-Sachs 3 MILLION DOLLARS to stay out of Jefferson County, Alabama. No one has gone to jail for that, either.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 16, 12 2:47 PM
Not sure why a municipality would finance its debt through bundled mortgage backed securities (probably because they are dumb) but it comes full circle. The GVT created an environment where everyone should be able to live the american dream and buy a home whether they could afford it or not. Fannie and freddie approved loans like they were handing out candy to kids. Banks bundled these crappy loans, sold them, got them off their books and then sold more. Based on what you are telling me this is ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 16, 12 3:47 PM
Well, "securitization" which was created by bankers led to the environment whereby institutions could unload their responsiblities for long term cash flow onto others for short term gain. We can move money around the world with a keystroke, WE DON'T NEED SECURITIZATION. Had there been no ARM style mortgages, well over half the mortgages in the meltdown would not have defaulted. Greenspan raised interest rates 17 times before leaving office in 2006. This doubled, and in some cases quadrupled ...more
Jul 17, 12 4:53 PM appended by Mr. Z
Let me put this in simplest terms. If a bunch of greedy bankers and politicians didn't **** with the system that functioned rather well for about 40 years, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in right now.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 16, 12 4:53 PM
A number of Republicans are demanding that Romney get his story straight on Bain. Was he in control or not. If not than why show up at Board meeting and sign off as the CEO. They are also saying that he must show his tax returns. Why is he hiding them?

In seems that there is a grass roots effort for a new Republican Candidate? Who do you think they will chose. My guess is Jeb Bush.
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Jul 15, 12 8:37 PM
"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen..." - Barack Obama, 2012.

+++

And that, my friends, is what Obama thinks of small business. If not for govt you couldn't have a successful business. Dead wrong (again). How would he know? What would he know about building a small business? Absolutely clueless. C'mon Ohio and Florida, we need a change.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 16, 12 8:25 AM
Here's the largest transcript I could find. The soundbite crap is so juvenile.

“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t… look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. ...more
Jul 16, 12 2:52 PM appended by Mr. Z
Any small business owners who have built a bridge, or a road lately?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 16, 12 2:52 PM
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Hey DS, did you build the bridges and roads which supply the commece to your business? No?

I didn't think so.

I love when people launch into tirades, on data taken out of context. It just makes my day...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 16, 12 3:10 PM
Honestly no. In context it's not so bad. See, I'm being honest with you. I still reject this guy. I reject the notion that enabling is better than empowering. I reject the notion that the govt makes better decisions than I do. I reject the fact that someone who knows nothing about the private sector is so arrogant that he thinks his will is enough to make things tick. I reject the fact that he still plays the blame game 3+ years into his presidency. I reject the fact that not only will he not defend ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 16, 12 3:23 PM
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The average car on the road today is 11 years old.

That fact doesn't seem like much, but look at the economy, along with IRS SOI data and it actually makes sense. People are unemployed, underemployed, and there is more money than ever in circulation.

I would almost guarantee that if we confiscated every offshore account in every tax haven we could, the national debt would be paid off in less than five years.
Jul 16, 12 3:52 PM appended by Mr. Z
Now that I think about it, there were cars at the Greek festival which cost more than about 3/4 of this country netted in 2010. I'd say that's a problem...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 16, 12 3:52 PM
So now Obama seriously thinks government is responsible for business success. Let’s let the American people have a look at that line of thought for the next 4 months…then see how they vote on Election Day
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 16, 12 9:36 PM
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Nope.

You're just one of the mentally challenged who can't grasp how each generation stands on the shoulders of the one before it. One whose ego is grander than society's ability to support it.

Lately, is seems like the bruised backs of the majority of the living, though...
Jul 17, 12 4:47 AM appended by Mr. Z
Remind us again, who built the Eisenhower Interstate System?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 4:47 AM
Z - infrastructure is a basic ingredient of a successful economy. Mr. Obama hasn't done much to support or strengthen infrastructure. A successful economy need entrepreneurs with ideas and dreams that are willing to take on risk and work hard. The hope is that the venture is a success and will lead to growth and opportunity for others in terms of jobs. Am I thankful for the roads and Stop signs that lead to my building? Yes. So thank you govt for providing that basic need. Did anyone work along ...more
Jul 17, 12 7:58 AM appended by double standard
How much money was lost to Obama's failed wagers on alt energy projects? That's a lot of lost cash that could have been allocated to infrastructure.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 17, 12 7:58 AM
The POTUS can't lower taxes. Nor can he do so by executive order.

The people who can are friends of the wealthy, who liket them, enjoy their 15%, or less rate while people like us pony up 35%.

Mark my words, electing Romney is a mistake. The housing bubble was nothing, and something wicked this way comes...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 9:38 AM
Greed is ugly. Can the top earners afford more in taxes? Yes they can. Whatever the structure, guys like me need help. I want to hire you. I want to purchase things. I want to provide real wages for employees. It's too hard right now. Taxes and HC costs make it too hard. The American engine is dying. The country needs strong small businesses. Obama is not helping that. It's selfish of me to ignore the big picture, I know this. I also know that govt is not my friend and Mr. Obama and his admin isn't ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 17, 12 1:22 PM
The economic engine of an economy dies when workers are left without tools.

Money is a tool, even though many treat it as an "earned luxury".

Roughly 12% of your population taking home half the taxable income of your nation in a fiscal year doesn't drive GDP.

It sure [expletive deleted] up Democracy, though.

I can't be nice about this anymore. You might see a bit of a harder edge to me from here on out, so fair warning...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 5:10 PM
From the Washington Post:

A challenge to conservatives

By E.J. Dionne Jr., Published: July 15

It’s good that conservatives are finally taking seriously the problems of inequality and declining upward mobility. It’s unfortunate that they often evade the ways in which structural changes in the economy, combined with conservative policies, have made matters worse.

Occupy Wall Street, whatever its future, will always merit praise for placing inequality ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 4:48 AM
That article is a pile of bovine excrement brought to us by a liberal rag, nice try .
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 17, 12 6:21 AM
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Well said. Another harvard grad with no real world business experience spouting off. I guess he hasnt read the CBO report about what raising taxes will do to the economy
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 17, 12 9:00 AM
this coming from a man whose entire fortune is fiat currency supplied by greenspan to the wealthy elite...
Jul 17, 12 9:46 AM appended by Mr. Z
do the rest of the country a favor, and remember that 70 percent of them are not as fortunate as you. through luck pluck and a niche, you have succeeded. most of the country does not suckle the fiat money teat under the thumb of wall street...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 9:46 AM
The switch to "fiat currency" occured in the early 70's ( I believe it was called the Nixon Shock)and it was a necessity to prevent europe from raping us. The US needs to keep printing money and devalue the dollar to remain competitive globally and to pay our debt. Unfortunately to due our pathetic elected officials we keep spending more and more thus we need to keep printing more and more. The only way to stop this cycle is to enact true entitlement reform, cut defense spending, enact true tax ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 17, 12 10:58 AM
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1% of the population holds over 40% of this nation's wealth.

to blame bishop and obama for 30 years of damage is not only idiotic it's insanity. look at the m 2 factor of the economy in the last 20 years, and find evidence for me that the debauching was necessary.

golden parachutes for the top 10 percent, and freefall headlong into the ground for everyone else.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 11:31 AM
1% of the population holds over 40% of this nation's wealth.

.....

That is disgusting. At a certain level do millions or even tens of millions even make a difference in your life? I mean I can survive on 115 million just as easily as I can 310 million.

Sigh...
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 17, 12 1:24 PM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 5:00 PM
@razza:

You want real change?

Reign in the [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] BANKERS.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 5:04 PM
Apparently I can't even say "The critics damned the new book."

Damned?

SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?!?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 8:25 PM
Its not the bankers. The root of the problem are the people that create the environment that allows it to happen. We owe trillions of dollars of toxic debt courtesy of congress and the federal GVT. Wall Street was responsible for creating the financial instruments which allowed the crisis to unfold but the GVT should bear the brunt of the liability. The GVt enacted regulation out of political popularity that gave the Wall Street the foundation to do what they did. The beginning of the crisis started ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 19, 12 2:20 PM
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You could just say federal reserve...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 19, 12 7:41 PM
What ??? Obama says we aren't responsible for our own success.?.?.?
Well he finally came out and said it, This is great! It puts the whole thing in context.
Obama may be a stupid tool, but he is a tool of some very smart (and evil) people. It is easy for Barry to take this point of view since as everyone buy now can see he is not responsible for his own success? Some very powerful puppet masters (Ayers,Soros,Brzezinski) are behind this Manchurian candidate and his implementation of the ...more
Jul 17, 12 2:23 PM appended by joe hampton
by now
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jul 17, 12 2:23 PM
What he was saying is that you are not responsible for the INFRASTRUCTURE that has allowed you to prosper. That was being built for thirty years before you were born, while you were s*******g your diapers, and making your way through school.

There were multiple generations before you who built what you have to work with today.

So, don't be a tool and forget that...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 4:57 PM
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Sual Alinsky / Cloward & Piven strategy.... America may be in the most dangerous fight it has ever been in. This is a fight between two diametrically opposed ideologies: Socialist / Communist / VS Capitalism / freedom. We thought this struggle had ended after the fall of the Berlin Wall, but it hasn't. These people HATE America and everything it stands for, and like Lenin they have managed to convince a lot of people that they are right... Stay tuned. History is in the making (and not necessarily ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jul 17, 12 2:25 PM
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From here, it looks like this country stands for Oligarchy, fraud (LiBOR), corruption (K street whores), corporate fascism (money in politics), and serfdom to the aristocracy.

Freedom is one thing, and "humanity" is still too primitive, juvenile and greedy a species for true, pure anarchy. Freedom is legislated. Anarchy is a free society.

Just my opinion.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 5:16 PM
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"From here, it looks like this country stands for Oligarchy, fraud (LiBOR), corruption (K street whores), corporate fascism (money in politics), and serfdom to the aristocracy."

What kind of moron would remain in a country that they believe is like that? Why don't you get out before they throw you into a camp?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 17, 12 5:36 PM
No, you don't want communism, you just want guaranteed food, shelter, and healthcare (to start), regardless of whether or not the recipient works.

Oh, let's not forget "redistribution" of other peoples assets as a matter of fairness, affirmative aciton to ensure that certain groups get preferential treatment (regardless of qualification) in hiring.

But definately not communism...you wouldn't want that.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 17, 12 5:40 PM
"...you just want guaranteed food, shelter, and healthcare (to start), regardless of whether or not the recipient works."

He don't know me very well, do he?

I cordially invite you to remove 6 to 10 tons of trash from residences in a summer workday. Keep up, if you can.

"Those who do not work, shall not eat."

~ John Smith, ref. Thessalonians (c. 1607)
Jul 17, 12 7:06 PM appended by Mr. Z
Three packed out 10 yard bodiies? 6 ton, no problem. You can pack 2,600 into a 6 yard, in an hour and a half. Especially if it's a holiday, and you apply yourself.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 7:06 PM
You're right. There are a host of people who got me to where I am today.

My parents, great teachers throughout school, solid friends, the community as a whole I was surrounded by, et al... YEAH, there were a host of people who helped to make me who I am.

And, you know what? They raised me not to be so arrogant, egotisitcal, self serving, and downright selfish as the idiots who credit NO ONE but themselves, and have driven this country into the ground with their hubris.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 18, 12 9:34 PM
Stop saying that Obama said businesspeople don't create businesses. He didn't say that
By DJ9222 (85), southampton on Jul 17, 12 5:19 PM
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Obama, nor Romney have my vote yet.

BUT, I WILL NOT STAND BY while people take ANYONE out of context, and put words in their mouth.

ESPECIALLY a sitting President.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 5:22 PM
I will eat my shorts if you vote for Romney. Who are you trying to kid?
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 18, 12 8:46 AM
I heard ron paul is still in the running...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 18, 12 3:12 PM
So you feel a need to defend a sitting president from what you deem to be unjustified criticism?

How many times di you do that for GWB? (cough, that would probobly be NEVER).

I love it when someone is slavishly in the tank for Obama, but tries to pass themselves off as an idependant.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 17, 12 5:35 PM
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GWB was indefensible to anyone with an intellect.

He's got eight years of great comedy material, though...
Jul 17, 12 5:36 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Can you say, 'circus', boys and girls?"
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 5:36 PM
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I see, so lies or distortions made about that president are acceptable.

So what you really meant was that you will defend Obama, not a "sitting president".

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 17, 12 5:42 PM
C'mon.

Even dan liked that one.

I think it may be our "first time".

And, get your minds out of the gutter...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 6:05 PM
Realty, Stay outta da Bushes and get a clue
By local 84 (353), riverhead on Jul 17, 12 6:23 PM
Plllease, your so full of it, Your sitting president who said in 2008 "We are the people we have been waitng for and now we are going to fundamentally change the way this country works" Said in a speech on Friday, AND I QUOTE! "Governments and not individuals create jobs" He added: 'You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on Jul 17, 12 5:42 PM
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By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 17, 12 5:46 PM
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It's amazing that the same group (Like Z, philathome, and the rest) will mercilessly mock a "sitting president", distort the truth, perpetuate baseless conspiracy theories, side with our enemies, kill the president in effigy, attack his familiy members and then DEMAND respect for Obama, who has expressed the same hatred for this country as Mr.Z.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 17, 12 5:46 PM
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I don't "hate" this country. I don't like it much lately.

You've got to come to the damned realization that there are 350 MILLION PEOPLE who share this society with you. They aren't all stupid, foolish, or gullible, possibly lazy, or even outright useless.

There are a whole lot of people who bust their ASS that don't get their due. Don't you see how Roman we have become? The hubris, the greeed, the avarice, the self importance, the EGO.

Christ (no, that's not blasphemy) ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 6:11 PM
I never said this country was without it's flaws, but to argue that 30 years ago or more that we were generally better off is nonsense.

The depths of poverty were far deeper, social mobility was no better, and the available government benefits were far less generous.

If there's a place with a better deal, go to it.


By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 17, 12 6:28 PM
Last sentence: COP OUT.

Study that album cover which is my avatar VERY closely. Justice is bound, both breasts bare, with money tipping her scales.

Get it?
Jul 17, 12 6:48 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, no. I don't believe in conspiracy theories. But, to an open mind with an intellect, it's either ineffable idiocy, or a conspiracy to some point.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 6:48 PM
Let me tell you something - there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there" This inflammatory speech underlines the extent Obama believes that the state not ordinary citizens create jobs & wealth. 'I'm sure every small-biz owner who took a sec.mortgage on their home, maxed out their credit cards or borrowed money from their own retirement savings to start their biz disagrees strongly with your sitting president. They know that hard work does matter and you and the MSM cant protect ...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on Jul 17, 12 5:47 PM
Dan,

You want real change?

Reign in the [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] BANKERS.

At least we may agree on two things in a few years...
Jul 17, 12 6:13 PM appended by Mr. Z
What he was saying is that you are not responsible for the INFRASTRUCTURE that has allowed you to prosper. Or maybe you did build the infrastructure. What are you now, 63?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 6:13 PM
How can anyone defend the latest remarks by our POS POTUS? Small business owners work there tails off and have risked capital in their ventures. Giving credit to individual success goes against everything He, Barak the Magnificent, peace be upon Him, stands for. As to the infrastructure argument, it's not the government's money that financed all these projects, it's the taxes taken from the hard WORKING taxpayers, all 49% of us.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 17, 12 5:56 PM
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They haven't fully calculated the 2010 IRS SOI data yet, BUT...


Don't you mean at least, "all 70%" of us?

Gross is one thing. NET is another. Who said "swish"?

Just shy of THREE QUARTERS OF THIS COUNTRY NETTED LESS THAN 60K fiscal year 2009.

Are you legally blind?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 6:21 PM
BF, mr z is correct when he said " He's got eight years of great comedy material"
Here is what you will not see on CNN
the guy is a fraud show us the collage transcripts

My favorite (Army corpse-man)

"When I meet with world leaders, what's striking -- whether it's in Europe or here in Asia..." -mistakenly referring to Hawaii as Asia while holding a press conference outside Honolulu, Nov. 16, 2011

"We're the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad." —Cincinnati, ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 17, 12 6:03 PM
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By local 84 (353), riverhead on Jul 17, 12 6:21 PM
Haven't I taught you better by now?

Nah, just kidding.

Express yourself kid. Just be intellectual about it, OK?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 6:26 PM
Actually, his latest response to another group sycophants fainting at his speech (which just goes to show how much support for Obama is emotional, rather than logical), "get a paralegal" is even funnier.

I guess if it's not a Republican making such a faux pas the mainstream media doesn't feel it's necessary to endlessly repeat it.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 17, 12 6:32 PM
faux pas, multiplied by public speaking, to an exponent is another story entirely.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 6:35 PM
according to the NYPOST O is having a fund raiser in Bridgehampton in the next week or so. Should it be boycotted??? Should it be busses of whatever coming in? I don't think any of this will happen since I bellieve the GOP supporters have MUCH MORE CLASS than to pull off what the O cap did last weekend.
By xtiego (698), bridgehampton on Jul 17, 12 7:11 PM
If I wasn't busy WORKING, I'd probably protest.

Let's see it the right's got, what the left gave on Meadow La. ...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 7:27 PM
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you no they dont got it
By local 84 (353), riverhead on Jul 18, 12 1:13 PM
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By xtiego (698), bridgehampton on Jul 17, 12 7:12 PM
Google:

More on LIBOR: Plus, Spitzer takes on Bartiromo in Japanese Monster-Movie Epic

Does Bartiromo remind you of anyone? AIG settlled for FRAUD. Acknowledged it. The OPINION was handed down. Greenberg stepped down. She just can't get it through her skull that Greenberg told Ferguson what to do, and it was fraud.
Jul 17, 12 7:43 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Have you read the opinion?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH.... AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaa...........
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 7:43 PM
And this used to be such a happy little place to visit and debate. Judging by the fighting and name calling I think that maybe congress actually does act and behave on our behalf. And all of this for 2 men that we'd all likely despise if we knew them personally.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 17, 12 9:29 PM
People are angry.

And, they have every right to be.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 12 10:34 PM
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Yeah, people are angry. They are also treating politics like a sporting event, which is exactly what the repubs and dems want. Whatever pile of bs you are willing to swallow puts you on either side. Then attack and defend without considering that most of us are probably somewhere in the middle.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 18, 12 8:15 AM
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Remember hope and change and the promise of unity? Always sounds good on paper, or teleprompter as it were.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 18, 12 8:18 AM
Then explain Clinton.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 18, 12 5:54 PM
No Philly, explain how Clinton has success and was able to navigate the challenges and why Obama has become a professional excuse maker.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 18, 12 8:19 PM

Obama eligibility reveals 'national security threat'
Media's Kenyan cover-up: Obama's past ignored
Flight records missing for week of Obama's birth
Forgerygate: Ignoring Arpaio's report is a scandal in itself


Jul 18, 12 12:14 AM appended by They call me
no school records, fake birth certificate and social security card, no students nor teachers ever heard at obama at columbia university..... Thank you mainstream media for doing such a good job.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 18, 12 12:14 AM
The reason the Romney campaign is highlighting Obama’s underlying philosophy, showcased in his recent Pennsylvania rant is this speech combined with the real possibility that we are heading to 1 % (or less) growth, Obama’s rag on individual merit allows Romney to combine two critical points: the economy is terrible and Obama is making it worse. The reason why Obama has to go, he can argue, is that he’s soaked in the toxic philosophy of anti-capitalism.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jul 18, 12 7:48 PM
As the Obama campaign and the media continue to press Mitt Romney to release more of his tax returns, and to suggest--without a shred of evidence--that he is a “felon,” it is worth noting how much critical information Barack Obama has withheld from view--both as a candidate in 2008, and during his term in office. Here is a top ten list of things that Obama has refused to release (a complete list would fill volumes):

10. State senate papers. In the 2008 primary, Obama criticized ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 18, 12 2:21 PM
Phil: Business exists to make a profit for its' owners and investors, not to provide jobs, not to provide health insurance , not to provide retirement for employees, PERIOD.. These things are a result of a successful business. A business started by a PERSON, with the government providing impediments.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 18, 12 4:21 PM
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and when unions and regulations prevent the company from making money then what? Tie those unions and their benefits and pensions to tax dollars and what do you get? What are we getting? Phil, where does all the money come from? Liberal ideas are great, until you have to pay for them. Then not so great anymore.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 18, 12 6:15 PM
Ha Ha You no it baby you go fille dats right Ha Ha
By local 84 (353), riverhead on Jul 18, 12 7:35 PM
Philly, why do you always have to get so cute? That girlfriend line was a regular humdinger. To your point, you realize that we are in for serious stuff sooner rather than later, right? See the example called Greece. We'll run out of money, Philly. It's already happening. The deficits are rising, and we are already seeing cities file bankruptcy. This is not party politics or ideology, Philly, it's math. I love ideas, but math has a nasty way of reminding us what reality is.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 18, 12 8:28 PM
Local - thanks for your thought provoking and insightful views on the subject. Every time I think I've made my mind up on a given subject you come along and challenge me with a refreshing point of view.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 18, 12 8:32 PM
Local - thanks for your thought provoking and insightful views on the subject. Every time I think I've made my mind up on a given subject you come along and challenge me with a refreshing point of view.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 18, 12 8:32 PM
Profit for the few, at the expense of the nation, is not what this nation was founded upon.

bigfresh seems to think that corporate personhood, and the current "capitalist system" is how it was laid down.

The United States Charter System laid down by the founding fathers stipulated as such:

When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 18, 12 9:09 PM
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phil stated, "If you don't wantto pay your taxes,don't.
Just be prepared for the consequences;you may end up as someone's girlfriend."

Either that, OR you could be made the secretary of treasury.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jul 18, 12 10:45 PM
Z - "Profit for the few, at the expense of the nation, is not what this nation was founded upon."

Nor was raping the system and the taxpayers that support you.
So much rage against the rich, fine. Where is the rage against those who are abusing Comp, Disability, Welfare, etc?
How many billions of dollars are being stolen from us because entitlement has gotten way out of hand?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 19, 12 7:55 AM
Entitlement is "out of hand", because the "elite" have created such a condition with their conduct.

I recall a euphemism about boots from my youth.

It's worse than not having boots, when someone STEALS your boots...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 20, 12 12:25 AM
No, not entirely. The land of opportunity still has much to offer to those who are willing and put in the effort. We have an entire class that is dependent on the govt because that's all they have ever known. Govt's answer - increase the dependency. Today, like yesterday I have the opportunity to be successful. I have no chains around my ankles preventing me from trying.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 20, 12 7:55 AM
This Just In....
(CBS News) President Obama drops out of lead and Mitt Romney moves into Number one spot for the presidency, according to a new CBS News/New York Times survey.
Forty-seven percent of registered voters nationwide who lean towards a candidate back Romney, while 46 percent support the president. Four percent are undecided.
Romney leads by eight points among men; the president leads by five points among women.
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jul 18, 12 7:29 PM
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This Just In....
(CBS News) President Obama drops out of lead and Mitt Romney moves into Number one spot
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jul 18, 12 10:25 PM
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Obama isn't losing, joe. He's just "leading from behind"
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jul 18, 12 10:42 PM
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Think Policy. All the rest of this stuff is a distraction meant to keep you busy til November. I think we are winning Phil over.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 19, 12 8:04 PM
Your response to my last post proves how out of touch our resident uber leftist truly is, thanks Phil. Employment should be an agreement between an employee and the employer, without interference from the government. The employee has the final say and the RIGHT to accept or decline the agreement. The government is an impedement to business, over reaching regulation and an onerous tax burden on the owners of businesses are holding back our eonomic recovery. Small business is the major employer in ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 19, 12 6:42 AM
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Philly, you and the liberal argument will always lose when "How do we pay for it" is asked. You'll state tax and spend is the clear answer. Let's look at what the result will be using my small business as the example
Raise my taxes + Obamacare
I have less to spend on goods and services.
I have less to offer in terms of payroll.
I will likely not be able to hire.
PT workers seem to be a logical answer.
And so on...

In the past you tried to make a funny and say "well ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 19, 12 7:50 AM
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and that's going to solve everything? Oh Philly, I'd be happy to go head to head with you in the free market.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 19, 12 6:13 PM
Yes - the great majority of us are crooks and liars. You found us out. You, you are good, you. Phil, good luck out there in this big bad world. Unfortunately I wouldn't hire you to boil water. I have a hunch that you are workplace poison.

I'll tell you what... if Obama is re-elected and his policies don't hurt the economy I will donate $100 to the charity of your choice. Let's give it 2 years. If I'm right and he does more harm than good then you donate $100 to my choice of charities. ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 19, 12 8:01 PM
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That's not very nice. I'll send the hundy to the Romney campaign.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 19, 12 9:05 PM
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What are you going to do if Romney wins?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 19, 12 9:08 PM
Think Policy, Phil. You didn't let the diversions get to you in 2008. Stay on course. Keep sharp.
Seriously though, there is a chance Romney can win. I admire your confidence, but it could happen. What will you do? Remember when you said people are throwing themselves out of factory windows? Do you think that will increase?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 19, 12 9:46 PM
I guess you did not read TCM's top ten list of what Barry won't release a few lines up, or have you just become so adjusted to the MSM double standard
Jul 20, 12 1:26 AM appended by joe hampton
obviously for Phil
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jul 20, 12 1:26 AM
Phil I don't recall you being upset when Mrs. Obama said that, "for the first time in my adult life I am proud to be an American." Why the double standard? I've been proud to be an American pretty much forever.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 20, 12 7:57 AM
Why do those who rail against the rich ignore those who abuse the (bleep) out of entitlement? Should the rich be taxed more? Probably. Does that excuse stealing from your friends and neighbors? No. Remember that story a few weeks back about the LIRR workers retiring w/ bogus disability claims? I'm sure that isn't isolated and I'm equally sure it costs us millions. Yet Obamabots think we need to increase entitlements and taxes. Really???
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 19, 12 8:05 AM
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Your last comment renders you irrelevant in any serious discussion, AMF!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 19, 12 4:57 PM
Simpleton.
Jul 20, 12 7:43 PM appended by Mr. Z
Dwell on this food for thought: Entitlement is "out of hand", because the "elite" have created such a condition with their conduct. I recall a euphemism about boots from my youth. It's worse than not having boots, when someone STEALS your boots...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 19, 12 7:43 PM
Sorry you feel that way, Z. I've always been more of a make your own boots guy. I think you might be too. So many injustices, so little time. I appreciate your point of view.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 20, 12 8:09 AM
There is more "wealth" in the current economy than there ever has been.

10 SEXTILLION DOLLARS.

But, we have economic "issues"...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 21, 12 10:44 PM
The "American people"? How about using the term "WE"? You are an American, aren't you Phil? We, the American people ,will be better served by having a President that actually worked for a living instead of a neo-Marxist community organizer who never worked in the real world. He, Barak the Almighty, peace be upon Him is anti-business, as proven by his most recent quote. Don't you think He just alienated most small business owners and entrepeneurs? How about the people who work for them? I find it ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 20, 12 6:46 AM
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Philathome: Is there any subject that you aren't an expert on?
By Tennyson (77), Quogue on Jul 20, 12 7:21 AM
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Would you like assistance?

I kid, I kid.
Sadly, this forum isn't fun or interesting anymore. Same people (myself included) saying the same stuff. Doesn't do much good so I'm gone.

Phil - believe it or not I wish you well. I wish you peace, prosperity, health and happiness. There is no magic wand to cure the world's ills. There is no President that can either. Be well and relax a little bit, Philly.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 20, 12 8:02 AM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 21, 12 10:42 PM
Yep, saw that coming...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 21, 12 10:44 PM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 21, 12 10:47 PM
A soundbite, and the Fourth Estate created any perceived alienation.

Anyone with a reasonable amount of intellectual curiousity would have WATCHED the whole clip. Inflection, emotion, and all. Any person with a reasonable amount of intellect would not be so gullible as to post what you have.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 21, 12 10:56 PM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 21, 12 11:09 PM
This is for you bigfresh. Hope you enjoy the truth, even though I'm more than reasonably sure you will not accept it.

All those official government stats on the maldistribution of wealth in the United States — and the world — vastly understate the actual extent of our contemporary inequality, says a landmark new study on global tax havens.

By Sam Pizzigati

Are America’s rich getting richer? They’re certainly making much more than ever before. ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 23, 12 4:32 PM