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Dec 23, 2015 10:10 AMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Calone Clarifies County Position On Tuckahoe Center

The proposed Tuckahoe Center.
Dec 23, 2015 10:10 AM

Former Suffolk County Planning Commission Chairman Dave Calone this week clarified the commission’s recent rejection of the Tuckahoe Center project, forcing the proposal to require a supermajority from the Southampton Town Board to move forward.

Last week, Mr. Calone, who is seeking the Democratic nomination for the 1st Congressional District seat in the U.S. House of Representatives currently held by Lee Zeldin—and facing off against Southampton Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst for the nomination—said that even with a report by the Suffolk County Highway Department saying that traffic will not be an issue, there are still concerns about what effect a project of this scale would have on local roadways.

According to Mr. Calone, the potential traffic ramifications would not be felt just in the immediate vicinity of the supermarket on County Road 39, but also in Southampton Village and farther east, noting that cars would have to travel through the traffic to get to East Hampton and beyond.

“The commission determined that it had concerns regarding the project with regard to the cumulative traffic impact on the regional transportation artery,” he said in a phone interview. “We were concerned about the impacts on the Village of Southampton and the other municipalities farther east as well.”

The Tuckahoe Center proposal is for a 40,000-square-foot supermarket and retail complex along County Road 39 on Magee Street in Tuckahoe. Earlier this month, the Planning Commission voted against the proposal, which means the Southampton Town Board, which is not slated to hear the proposal again until late January or early February, will need a majority-plus-one vote to approve the required change of zone to facilitate the proposal.

In addition to the construction of a 40,000-square-foot grocery store, the application calls for 15,000 square feet of small retail stores, a 3,500-square-foot bank and more than 200 parking spaces. The Town Board would have to approve changing the zoning of 7.2 acres of land along the south side of County Road 39 from highway business to shopping center business.

According to Mr. Calone, he was most swayed in his decision to vote against the project by testimony given from representatives from East Hampton and Riverhead, showing, he said, that the resulting traffic would be more than just a Southampton problem.

“While this type of development may be needed in the area, there are other locations that may be more suitable than this location in particular,” Mr. Calone said.

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Calone, the recently resigned member of the planning commission, now doing a 20/20 hindsight review while he tees up his profile for a congress run against ATH. The article is mistaken, he knew precisely what Roberts, from North Haven, would say. East Hampton chimed in as well. There may have been a member from Riverhead there, but there was no great commentary at that meeting. Calone had Roberts speak first of all the commissioners. Using traffic as the primary excuse, they voted against it. I ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 23, 15 11:39 AM
Rickenbacker, if you are not Bob Morrow, you must be a clone. But excuse me. You have already denied you make even 1 penny from any development, not Morrow's, not the Rechlers' or the Hills.

But you are really so obvious in your different posts in defense of development that violates zoning law, ANY DEVELOPMENT!
By Obbservant (449), southampton on Dec 25, 15 7:27 AM
Not true. I am openly in favor of the Tuckahoe Center as its chief benefit is that will serve many in the local community, especially the year round resident. I look at these big projects on a case-by-case basis. In my opinion, the Hills does not demonstrate a community benefit, and the Rechler project, while it could be argued there is one, just to clean the mess up there, I can see the other point of view as well. Don't paint me with a pro-development brush, but if you want to do it with an intelligent ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 26, 15 2:13 PM
How about a comment on the ALREADY EXISTING traffic issues. What happened to the testing of having the red lights remain green during rush hours?

Stop using the development of a shopping center as a scapegoat for traffic issues. The problem is an underdeveloped highway system that bogs down everyday now from eastbound contractors and the merge by Flying Point Road. How do the candidates suggest traffic is relieved with or without a shopping center?
By Mouthampton (437), Southampton on Dec 23, 15 12:02 PM
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Sounds like Epley, or someone from Southampton Village is pulling the strings.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 23, 15 4:09 PM
Sounds like Calone is separating himself from Sagaponack Barbie...
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Dec 24, 15 8:11 AM
Why all the whining about traffic. If you go to new england the roads haven't been widened to get contractors, residents and service people in there. It's part of the life living in the area. It' getting to look like sunrise hwy Patchogue now. Our politicians giving away the farm. STOP...
By knitter (1906), Southampton on Dec 23, 15 5:12 PM
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Wanna read the extremely well written letter - referred to in this article?

Attached below is the letter & comments by Suffolk County Planning Board member Barbara Roberts - from North Haven:

http://www.27east.com/assets/downloads/BRoberts%20tuckahoe%20project%20hearing%20statement.pdf

By FiddlerCrab (96), Westhampton Beach on Dec 23, 15 8:11 PM
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Filled with lies and deceptions.
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Dec 24, 15 8:12 AM
Can you elaborate please. Examples of some of these lies/deceptions would be helpful.

By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (741), southampton on Dec 24, 15 9:31 AM
Happy to oblige:

1. Roberts claims this project is opposed by nearly every CAC. That is true, except CACs are not charged with commenting on issues outside of their jurisdictions, in fact, they have no influence at all outside of their areas of concern. This is a major issue with the current makeup of CACs, who believe they have more power than they actually do. They are only supposed to be advising the town board on issues concerning their particular region, not acting as ad hoc advocacy ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 26, 15 1:32 PM
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You just don't get, we are full, maxed out , over run, over developed and do not want a supermarket on the busiest , most congested highway in the area! It is not needed or wanted, the end.
By bigfresh (4594), north sea on Dec 26, 15 3:41 PM
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The free market will dictate if it's "needed or wanted" just like it did with Starbucks. I'm not saying Starbucks has anywhere near the same "impact" a supermarket does, but there was a Starbucks on CR 39 and it was not a money maker and it closed. Years later one has opened in the village and will likely be much more successful.

Grocery stores must be sited on major (read busy) roadways. You can't put them in residential neighborhoods and village centers typically can only support ...more
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Dec 26, 15 3:51 PM
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Oh, I get it. Time does not stand still. A decade from now there will be more people, and inevitably, even more traffic. CR39 is going to have to be re-improved again at some point in the future - that's just a fact. It will never get to RT 58 status, as the both the zoning and physical layout of the lots along the roadway can never physically allow it. But this isn't about the needs of a decade from now, it's about the practical needs of today and tomorrow. b

If you think we are already ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 28, 15 1:10 AM
If there was no one fighting against rampant development, fighting against the destruction of what makes our beautiful area special, this WOULD look like route 58! Developers and their shills , both in Town government and the public sector have no love for the East End and are willing to sell us out. There will always be those who will stand up and be heard , especially at the ballot box.
By bigfresh (4594), north sea on Dec 28, 15 7:12 AM
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Hmm. you're really stretching here. the more you write the less convincing your concepts are.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (741), southampton on Dec 28, 15 9:26 AM
@rickenbacker
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (741), southampton on Dec 28, 15 9:27 AM
Where is the stretching? Please explain.
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 28, 15 10:29 AM
Yes indeed, bigfresh! In fewer than five lines, you've fully answered both Rickenbacker's 12-point memo and his defeatist post following that. It's just as you say, whatever the considerations on the development side, we must have people speaking up on the preservation side. That's the essence of our democracy, both views being heard.

It's easy for Rickenbacker to sing the defeatist song. He clearly gave up on the East End a long time ago, and now he plans to pave it over, take his ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Dec 28, 15 2:53 PM
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Never had i herd such a ignorant statement.The population has gone down in Southampton and on the East End overall.
1) The traffic is caused by tradesman who come out here to work on current and new homes, the wealthy always want something changed or renovated Hence traffic is not caused by people who live here full time .
2) Those Condos and townhouses that you so often reference most likely will be owned by weekend / summer people most of whom DONT'T DO THERE OWN SHOPPING!
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Dec 28, 15 7:54 PM
@rickenbacker
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Dec 28, 15 8:00 PM
Turkey dude, simmer down now. Someone above asked for examples of what they considered Roberts’ "lies and deceptions" and I took a little time to detail them, as objectively as possible. Roberts really had no more “expert” information than any of the public input supplied by both supporters or opponents. In fact her comments were riddled with weak logic that had been debunked over many hearings and studies by actual experts. I would have expected more enlightened comments from ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 29, 15 7:46 AM
Got a thing about CACs, huh? I don't know if CAC members are "self-elevating their position" as you put it, or not, but hey, this is America. We don't tug our forelocks to anyone We don't attach any special esteem to anyone's opinion just because he or she bears some title.

As far as I'm concerned personally, it could be a CAC member, or a Councilperson, or -- heaven protect me -- The Supervisor Herself speaking, but I'll make my own judgment regardless of titles and offices. You should ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Dec 29, 15 12:11 PM
Ask one of the CAC members about the quietly organized meeting at the HB Senior Center a few months ago where they batted about the various issues they were fighting, overtly trying to organize to help each other organize and go out and speak on each other's issues. I'm not talking about a Supervisor meeting, that's fine, I'm talking about the advocacy efforts going on behind the scenes, which are unauthorized extensions to the function of a CAC. Also in attendance at that same meeting was Kevin ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 29, 15 12:25 PM
You're so right--they either bring things they like from wherever they come from, or they have deliveries from Peapod, e.g., or they eat in restaurants or buy prepared food from Loaves and Fishes, Citarella, Catena's, etc. If they cook at all, it's a piece of fish from a fish market or a steak from a prime butcher, and some vegs from a farmstand. They don't keep pantries like you and me, and if they do, they have live-in cooks who do not push carts in supermarkets. I know this from personal experience ...more
By June Bug (2605), SOUTHAMPTON on Dec 29, 15 9:33 PM
ATH couldn't get out of here sooner. I only wish more people would realize how she sold this town out to developers. I hope Schneiderman reigns this stuff in. Enough already!
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 24, 15 12:37 PM
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There are major traffic tie ups every day on Magee St. at the junction of County Road 39. A project like this will make that worse. Furthermore, it would endanger the students at Tuckahoe Elementary School across the street. Additionally, the owner knew the zoning when he purchased the property. Why should a variance be granted? What is the community benefit versus the clear harm? There are other supermarkets in the area less than 10 minutes away.
By sus (1), Southampton on Dec 24, 15 2:12 PM
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What supermarket is 10 minutes away? The dirty dump in the village? Who are you to complain about traffic when you as a driver are part of it. The mayor wasn't worried about more density when his father in law built the Bishops pond adding potentially 200 to 400 more people. County Road 39 has been a problem for 30 years, and zero has been done to correct it. So now you want to blame a shopping center as some sort of scapegoat. Pathetic politics.
By chief1 (2790), southampton on Dec 25, 15 2:03 PM
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The County Planning Commission Chairman, who is running against ATH in the Democrat primary, makes sure his name is in the East End Papers as being against the Tuckahoe Center... Hmmmmm,

I think Mr. Calone is using Tuckahoe Center as political fodder against Sagaponack Barbie. And, meanwhile, local businessmen who have put time and money into a project are being used as pawns in the Calone/ATH game.

Its all a game, folks. Mr. Morrow will build something on that property. Maybe ...more
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Dec 29, 15 7:06 AM
Rickenbacker: So some people (who happen to belong to CACs) sit down with some other people (who happen not to belong to CACs) to do things like, in your words, not mine, "overtly trying to organize to help each other organize and go out and speak on each other's issues," and also "advocating for their issues for their particular groups."

And you make it sound sooo sinister. Are we in some dictatorship where more than three people aren't allowed to congregate? Why on earth can't these ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Dec 29, 15 8:29 PM
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That concept of retarding basic infrastructure growth to keep the area “recognizable as the place we knew thirty years ago” is just my point. For you, it’s no development, no way, no how. That is myopic, and it cannot stand if at the same time the same community allows for the rampant residential development. I don’t see you calling for a halt to new house construction. How do you balance stuffing more people in homes out here, whether they are year-round, second home, tourist, ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 30, 15 9:41 AM
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"A halt to new house construction," huh? Not a bad idea, but probably a little too extreme. I do, however, propose a radical reduction in new house construction, because you're right, we can't accomplish what I and many others want without putting the brakes on building -- hard.

Again, it's about paying the price. We can't expect to go back 30 years, which is impossible anyway, or even to cut current development to a slow walk, which is possible, but not if if we keep building at the ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Dec 30, 15 4:53 PM
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I don’t think we are so different in our personal views, but we are in the matter of degree. I agree with you regarding The Hills. The views there are worth more to our communities and character than the small enclave of wealthy users who would use it in their own, private, exclusive way. I am sympathetic to the people who don’t want Matt Lauer to put up screening to block neighbor’s vistas of his horse farm in Water Mill because preservation of our open views was one of the major ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Dec 31, 15 10:34 AM
As I have posted many tomes, we are full! Residential and commercial growth has more than maxed out our still beautiful area. If you are comfortable calling a supermarket that's not needed" progress" or sensible planning then I am sorry to say your statement saying you are not on the payroll of some builder or developer or investors in this project is less than truthful.
By bigfresh (4594), north sea on Dec 30, 15 2:10 PM
It's sad that Rickenbacker is the only one that speaks sense on this subject. Every time 27east pays these articles too. Very depressing to see. We would be better off if more people emulated him.
By Inch_High_PI (29), Southampton on Dec 31, 15 12:44 PM
So even though the Suffolk County Highway Department report says traffic will not be an issue, Democrat Calone says he voted against it because traffic will be an issue. There is democrat party logic at its finest. Ignore facts, reports and real data to just do whatever the heck you want. Usually to the detriment of us all.
By Gillnetter (105), Hampton Bays on Dec 31, 15 8:05 PM
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King Kullen shopping Center in Hampton Bays is larger than Tuckahoe Center. Probably 1/2 of the people that will, if you look at it geographically, shop at Tuckahoe Center now travel to Hampton Bays for groceries. Add to that the residents of HB that frequent this location and you should, if you buy into the Traffic Traffic Traffic nonsense, have a gridlock all the time in Hampton Bays... But, you don't... Maybe traffic isn't an issue. The County Report says it won't be.

CR39 doesn't have ...more
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Jan 1, 16 9:31 AM
Gillnetter and Draggerman, you're both trying to pull the same thing that Rickenbacker tried up above, which is to say we shouldn't look beyond our parish boundaries on this issue to see the perspective across the whole of Southampton Town, or even the wider region.

As the article shows, the County Highway Department took the narrow view, just considering the Tuckahoe neighborhood and that stretch of CR 39 in its determination. Dave Calone and the Planning Commission majority, on the ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jan 1, 16 1:38 PM
TB, I am not Gillnetter. I have, however, Gillnetted,

This wasn't a GOP/ Dem issue until Calone used it as a soapbox to show the people of the East End who he is. Please, don't insult me by denying that.

Calone resigns immediately after this hearing so he could prepare for his race against ATH... I barely knew his name until this decision. He certainly wasn't a focus of an article in the Press. And, he "Clarified" his decision in the SH Press, milking the exposure. He just gained ...more
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Jan 2, 16 7:09 AM