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Jan 8, 2014 9:16 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

New Senior Condo Plan To Go Before Southampton Village Board This Week

Jan 8, 2014 3:42 PM

A proposed 56-unit multifamily senior housing development will go before the Southampton Village Board this week, and the trustees are expected to schedule a public hearing on the application.

The development would be located on Moses Lane south of County Road 39 in Southampton. The applicants—Jim Tsunis, on behalf of property owners Helen and Edward Corrigan and Beach Plum Meadows LLC—are asking the Village Board for a special zoning designation to clear the way for the project on approximately 11 acres, changing the half-acre residentially zoned property into a multifamily planned residential district.

The application, which was filed at Village Hall on December 20 by attorney Gilbert Flanagan of Southampton, will go before the Village Board for the first time on Thursday, January 9. If the change of zone is eventually approved by the Village Board, the project would move on to the Village Planning Board for further review.

“This is the first time it is going before any of the boards,” Southampton Village Mayor Mark Epley said this week. “I want to go through the public hearing process and see where the entire project is.”

According to Mr. Epley, because the property is in an R-20 zone, the landowners would normally be allowed to build one house on every half acre, allowing 22 building lots. However, under the village code, developments within a mile of the village business district—which this property is—on a case-by-case basis can include up to six units per acre, bringing the total number up to 56, with the approval of the Village Board.

The idea, Mr. Epley said, is that residents of such a development would be able to go to and from village businesses without taking up parking spaces.

If the project is approved, it would be the first senior housing development in Southampton Village. Although within the village boundaries, the development also would lie within the Tuckahoe School District, contributing to the Tuckahoe School tax base without adding any students to the enrollment, since it is designed as senior housing.

According to the application filed with the village, the owners propose to construct 14 two-story buildings with four units each. Each building would include a two-car garage and a basement. A clubhouse, 112 parking spaces and a large swimming pool also are proposed.

This week, Mr. Epley said he would not share an opinion of the project until after it has been presented to the Village Board on Thursday. He added that, although there are rumors the project is being spearheaded by his father-in-law, George Benedict, that is untrue, and Mr. Benedict has no affiliation with the project.

“I don’t want to pre-judge this project,” Mr. Epley said. “We want to make sure the designers are designing attractive buildings, and from what I have seen, the materials they are using and the designs they have shown us, they are all very much Southampton Village.”

The project will be introduced to the Village Board on Thursday, January 9, at 6 p.m. at Village Hall on Main Street.

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Here is what the developers do: They win approval to build "Senior housing", making the case that they're only concern is providing affordable housing for older folks. They build the over-sized, out-of-zone monstrosity, charge rents that local seniors cannot afford and then go back to the board, claim hardship, and start renting the units to city weekenders.

They start with 56 multifamily residences - why? They should first have to prove demand (which they cannot) and then they should ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jan 8, 14 9:33 AM
Funny that the mayor's words are about the design etc., and not about the density and change of zone.

"Developer" in the bloodstream?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jan 8, 14 9:49 AM
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What senior needs a two story home?
By sgt202 (75), Hampton Bays on Jan 8, 14 11:34 AM
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One who wants one
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jan 8, 14 12:19 PM
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How is north of County Road 39 in the village?
By metsfan2 (163), southampton on Jan 8, 14 12:47 PM
The story has been corrected to reflect that the parcel is south of CR 39. Sorry for the error.
By Bill Sutton, Managing Editor (117), Westhampton Beach on Jan 8, 14 1:03 PM
And south of the LIRR tracks also, NW of Armande Street, across from Corrigan St. and Foxhollow Lane?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jan 8, 14 1:13 PM
Might as well add a train station for the East End Shuttle scoot train!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jan 8, 14 1:18 PM
if walking into village is 'so critical' .. then very soon there will have to be a "Senior Crossing" SIGN at the tracks for seniors walking to the PC Richards and inevitably that mini-mega-mall that surely will rear its ugly head again very soon
..horrible developers trick that really emasculates a community > create density to beget demand
By david h (405), southampton on Jan 8, 14 1:26 PM
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Silence infidels!

Emperor Epley has spoken.

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle
By Nero (301), Sag Harbor on Jan 8, 14 1:34 PM
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Sounds like a great idea if the cost is reasonable. So many local seniors are going to Florida now because of prices here. Let's hope the Village boards don't insist on making it too grand to be affordable.
By SusieD (115), Southampton on Jan 8, 14 1:37 PM
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Seniors change residency to Florida because there are no state income taxes there and, although it may be hard to believe, many communities in Florida do not spend $40,000+ per public school student and therefore have much lower property taxes. A pension, especially a nice lush police pension from the Town of Southampton, can go a lot further there. If there is a need for senior housing, there is the unbuilt but approved high density development still vacant on Foster Road in Hampton Bays. Why ...more
By davidf (325), hampton bays on Jan 8, 14 2:53 PM
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Meant to hit reply, not like. Why expect Southampton seniors to move to Hampton Bays at a time in their lives when they most want to be near family and friends, and probably are cutting back on their driving? Can't there be senior communities in both places? I'm sure there are enough seniors to go around, if the costs are reasonable.
By SusieD (115), Southampton on Jan 8, 14 3:21 PM
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So you're saying these 56 condos are for seniors that already live within 1 mile of the Village of Southampton but want to sell or rent where they currently live and move to this development? I call BS on that one.
By davidf (325), hampton bays on Jan 8, 14 3:56 PM
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Florida property taxes are not cheaper per thousand than Southampton. Florida is a red neck slum sauna full of crime.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jan 8, 14 8:52 PM
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whats the price?? and then whats the catch? the one the was propsed in amagansett started with units from $500,000-1 million. i look forward to hearing these numbers.
By tito (56), e hampton on Jan 8, 14 4:23 PM
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I was born and raised in Southampton Village and my husband and I have owned our home in Sag Harbor for 25 years. I would love to be rid of the responsibilities of a home and return to Southampton in retirement. I hope these condos are a viable option for someone like us. I somehow doubt it, however.
By Mrs.Sea (268), Sag Harbor on Jan 8, 14 5:54 PM
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I love people who quote this b/c 99% never read the book.

If you had (I am not assuming you have not) you'd know he really couldn't go home because he basically trashed his father and mother for 200 pages.

BTW one of the best descriptive death scenes in literature. Up there with Red Badge of Courage.
By Hambone (514), New York on Jan 18, 14 11:22 AM
I have nothing agains this project per se but lets be real...there's no way a senior is going to walk from this location into the village.
By Agawam Yacht Club (69), Southampton on Jan 8, 14 8:12 PM
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Many Seniors do walk to stay in shape. Of course, there may be the "parade of the hoverounds" in nicer weather...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 8, 14 10:32 PM
Mr. Z. you're correct and maybe I should have been more specific. Walk into the village for exercise is very likely. Walk into the village to purchase anything that would have to be physically carried back....highly unlikely.
By Agawam Yacht Club (69), Southampton on Jan 10, 14 12:13 PM
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These units will not be "affordable". There is absolutely no suggestion in the article that that criterion will be considered in exchange for allowing the owners to exceed maximum zoning density by 250%. Moreover, designating it a "senior" housing development is nothing but a cynical ploy to make their request more palatable to the village board.

Absent a compelling community interest, there's no reason to subvert zoning - and there certainly is no showing of one here.

By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 8, 14 11:26 PM
Per the NYS Dept. of State site, the corporate applicant Beach Plum Meadows LLC has a mailing address in Hauppauge and was registered on 10/17/13. The same address is used by the North Wind Group. Per its website:

"The Northwind Group takes pride in delivering a quality built home for gracious and carefree living. We place a special emphasis on preserving the natural environment where our communities are built. Our homes are designed with an eye for luxury and comfort. Our recent townhomes ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jan 9, 14 8:40 PM
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So how many of you were at the board meeting to make comments on this?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jan 10, 14 3:56 PM
OK everyone, the hall monitor wants to see your meeting attendance slips . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jan 10, 14 4:08 PM
The point being PBR, if some of the posters spent a little less time at the keyboard and a little more at public meetings where their opinions will be heard and maybe even effect the outcome, changes might possible occur.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jan 11, 14 12:43 PM
Point well taken, generally speaking, but . . .

It was your aggressive tone right out of the gate that threw me. Kind of like a cop on the beat getting out his/her nightstick before asking questions.

Also, you underplay the effect that these boards have IMO. They are widely read, and the comments do get back to those in power.

Lastly, your judgment about the right way to bring about change seems a touch self-righteous, does it not?

"To Everything There Is A Season ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jan 11, 14 1:26 PM
"self righteous"? Urging citizens to attend a municipal meeting to voice their opinions on something that apparently (from reading these post) affects them, or bothers them greatly?

There was nothing "aggressive" in the statement.
Jan 11, 14 4:26 PM appended by But I'm a blank!
And if you were on one of these boards, would you really pay any mind to anonymous posters who turn a report on a traffic accident into a discussion on President Obama's birthplace, or a citizen who steps up to the podium and voices his thoughts?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jan 11, 14 4:26 PM
Hard to hear one's own "tone of voice" sometimes . . .

Your appended comment above goes WAY beyond the general point I was making, and sets up a straw dog of your own creation.

Moving on . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jan 12, 14 7:08 AM
PBR - playing moderator again.

"Also, you underplay the effect that these boards have IMO. They are widely read, and the comments do get back to those in power."

And the evidence you have of this is where? When you boil down all the comments it's really the same 20 - 30 people regularly contributing. I would be shocked to learn anyone in power actually reads this stuff and even if they do, that it in any way effects their decision making. In fact, it would be grossly unfair ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 14 9:09 AM
New article out.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jan 10, 14 3:56 PM
Most of the senior communities in my neck of the woods are not rentals. Senior buy there and they are only open to 55 and up. I think its a good idea, some seniors in the area are looking for alternatives that will not take them out of the villiage they've lived and raised their families in.
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Jan 10, 14 4:05 PM
developers prey on increasing density .. I don't think full time or part time residents prefer greater density despite the spin developers & politicians' try to put on it
By david h (405), southampton on Jan 14, 14 4:32 PM
most seniors I know struggle with hip replacements, knee replacements, respiratory conditions, etc. Why would they downsize to a two story condo with 3 bathrooms?
By Elaine Bodtmann (2), Southampton on Jan 14, 14 6:28 PM
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300' footage on the LIRR isn't as bad in Southampton as it is farther west a few miles .. its like the condos next to the dump !! ("hey it isn't really a dump any more its just a transfer station")
By david h (405), southampton on Jan 15, 14 7:47 AM
By Kathleen Smith (1), southampton on Mar 29, 14 1:21 PM