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Apr 18, 2017 11:26 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Tuckahoe Center Change Of Zone Application Is Withdrawn By Developers

Tuckahoe Center developer Robert Morrow.
Apr 20, 2017 3:26 PM

UPDATE: Tuesday, 11:45 a.m.

Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman said he is happy the zone change application for the Tuckahoe Center properties has been withdrawn, adding that he thinks there are better uses for the properties that don't include increased density or traffic.

Mr. Schneiderman has been in discussions with developers about the other uses, specifically the possibility of an assisted living center, a facility Mr. Schneiderman said the town really needs for its aging population. An assisted living center would not require a zone change to move forward. However, it would require the Town Board to define assisted living in the town code, a move that would still require at vote by the board.

Mr. Schneiderman added that he has not spoken with property owners today after receiving the withdrawal, but noted he is happy to work with them in the future.

"To me the news of them withdrawing the application is a positive turn of events and we will work with the property owner to find a better solution," he said. "We will find a better alternative use with community support."


A proposal for a change of zone along County Road 39 to allow for a new shopping complex, dubbed the Tuckahoe Center, has been withdrawn by the applicant this week, Southampton Town officials confirmed on Tuesday morning.

Town officials received a letter on behalf of the property owners, Southampton Venture LLC., dated Monday that pulls the application to change the zoning on three adjoining properties, totaling 7.26 acres, along the southeastern side of County Road 39 and Magee Street from highway business and 1-acre residential, to shopping center business.

The move kills the proposed construction of a 38,000-square-foot supermarket and an additional 14,500 square feet of commercial space in three additional buildings. No reason for the withdrawal was listed in the letter filed by attorney John Wagner of the law firm Certilman, Balin, Adler and Hyman, which has offices in Hauppauge and East Meadow.

Mr. Wagner was not immediately available for comment on Tuesday.

The application has been before the Southampton Town Board, which must approve any zone change, for several years.

The proposal caused a deep divide, with many Tuckahoe residents opposing the zone change, saying traffic generated from a supermarket in an already congested area would be catastrophic. Supporters countered that the region needs another supermarket, and the growing Tuckahoe community was an appropriate place for it.

Last year, the application was vetted for a second time by the Suffolk County Planning Commission, which had previously failed to support the project. The commission signed off on a new version of the proposal, which included a few slight changes.

Town Board officials have been holding public hearings regarding the zone change in the past several months and were expected to make a decision in the next few months—though the board members’ public comments on the change of zone suggested it was unlikely to win the support of the majority.

Recently, Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman said he would like to see the properties developed in a different way; his idea was as an assisted living facility—a use that also would require a change of zone but might more easily win the Town Board’s support.

Mr. Schneiderman was not immediately available for comment.

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Keep your powder dry, folks, I don't think this is over. Still, it's a victory, at least in the short term, and Jay Schneiderman gets credit for redirecting the momentum toward a more acceptable use.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Apr 18, 17 11:59 AM
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Did you have advanced notice on this "breaking news," TB, or are you just naturally that quick on the "spin?"

By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Apr 18, 17 12:42 PM
Funny how someone so anti gun tells readers to keep their powder dry. Jay didn't redirect anything and deserves no such credit.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Apr 18, 17 5:32 PM
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That Jay is such a great guy...

I can't wait to see your spin when he approves "The Hills at Southampton", George. Tuckahoe was the sacrificial lamb.

And, if traffic was really a problem why in gods green earth would Farrell's shopping mall get approval on the corner of Flying Point and 27/39/Hampton Road? Think Tuckahoe was going to cause Chaos? Just wait, George. The traffic at that corner is backed up to David Whites from now to Labor Day... Actually, until Halloween, after ...more
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Apr 19, 17 9:09 AM
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Just keep that negativity coming, Draggerman, people will either conclude that you're hopelessly partisan or that you're mentally unbalanced -- doesn't matter which to me.

Dnice and Draggerman, apparently neither of you understands the very limited significance of a figure of speech like "keep your powder dry." Also, what makes you think I'm "anti gun"? You'd be surprised.

Mr. Wheeler: I'll never tell.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Apr 19, 17 8:16 PM
Oh I understand exactly what it means so please spare us with the "you don't understand" arrogance.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Apr 19, 17 10:49 PM
In fact, dnice, you really don't understand what I'm saying, and your answer only reinforces what you call the arrogance -- you've got it coming.

Sure you know what "keep your powder dry" means but again, you apparently don't understand its limited significance. Anyone can use this figure of speech, anyone, anti-gun or pro-gun. Point 1: You have no idea of my position on firearms. Point 2: If someone who never goes near the water said "Don't rock the boat" no one would remark ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Apr 20, 17 7:54 PM
More of what I don't understand huh? Thank goodness I have you to explain it to me.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Apr 29, 17 8:54 PM
developers: go home and build this piece of garbage in your backyard, not mine
By kuali (32), southampton on Apr 18, 17 12:43 PM
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They all live on the East End.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Apr 19, 17 7:22 AM
Great thx is owed to this town board for hearing what rational residents have been saying all these years: no high traffic generating uses on CR39!!
By svo (7), southampton on Apr 18, 17 1:10 PM
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By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Apr 18, 17 1:30 PM
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Nice to have a win for the good guys!!! Might be a good place for some affordable apartments for the young professionals out here
By BeachBum545454 (9), Southampton on Apr 18, 17 1:15 PM
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Don't worry, they'll extract their pound of flesh. Developers always do. You never win against them. You just think you do. They'll probably build an adult care center there only if they're allowed to build the shopping center somewhere else, where fewer people will object to it.
By btdt (449), water mill on Apr 18, 17 1:34 PM
If it weren't for "developers" none of you all would be out here. Although you may not like the use, don't blame people for trying to make an idea fly. So as more and more business people get fed up with the town, don't cry when you have to go to Riverhead for a quart of milk. Don't cry when the Town continues to come up with ways to collect money through fees and permits. Unless you all are self employed (which I seriously doubt) I bet you work for someone who took a chance or needed a "developer" ...more
By The Real World (368), southampton on Apr 18, 17 3:39 PM
( are you a developer ? )
By david h (405), southampton on Apr 18, 17 6:56 PM
So now we are stuck with Citarellas and Stop and shop? Total bs nonsense. The usual dozen busy bodies thinking they speak for everyone.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 18, 17 3:39 PM
you should try king kullen in hampton bays or bridgehampton or schmidts, or amazon.com

I will pray for you
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Apr 18, 17 4:12 PM
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Yeah thanks, just what we need, more shoppers coming to Hampton Bays. Keep your prayers, they won't be answered.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Apr 18, 17 5:33 PM
David H, no. Just a realistic person , who, unlike you, believes in Capitalism and free market. I know you must be a Fascist or Socialist at heart. I never got a job from a poor person, and I don't rely on government to solve all my problems. All I was saying, that many developers created things that people like, I.E housing, shops, and entertainment...don't knock them all. At some point , people need a place to go.
By The Real World (368), southampton on Apr 18, 17 8:40 PM
You are right, no one gets a job from a poor person. If developers to have free rain the east end would look like points west and there would be no farms and open space left. Judging by the new Audi dealership and the restoration of the old library I would say I would say Capitalism is alive and well on the east end.
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Apr 18, 17 11:08 PM
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pretty convincing. tanks for taking it easy on me
By david h (405), southampton on Apr 27, 17 6:38 PM
And how's that wonderful "remodeled" Stop and Shop treating everyone?
By VOS (1241), WHB on Apr 18, 17 10:21 PM
Its dreadful! Multiple shopping trips to find what is needed. Cant do a full shop in the morning bc they only open the self check out. Not looking forward to the summer traffic as it takes twice as long to go to HB or BH King Kullen. As for shopping at Amazon.com....what a massive waste of cardboard an plastic to ship a package of toilet paper or toothpaste.

By toes in the water (884), southampton on Apr 19, 17 6:56 AM
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Try Costco.
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Apr 19, 17 11:22 AM
its a dump
By BrianWilliams (87), on Apr 19, 17 7:50 PM
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Costco is for bulk shopping . And I would have to trek to Riverhead. You seem to be missing the point. It makes zero sense , that in this wealthy hamlet , that we do not have an adequate store for food shopping. Its food. we need it. We should not have to go invade the next Hamlets grocery store and wipe their store shelves clean. Have you seen the empty store shelves in Stop & Shop when theres a snow storm coming ? How bout during the summer , or a holiday weekend ? I wonder if you do the food ...more
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Apr 20, 17 7:46 AM
I am not in anyway defending Stop & Shop, we live in a wealthy seasonal community hanse why you will never get a affordable supermarket. Even if the center gets built, whom ever goes in there will jack up prices and it won't be any less expensive then Stop & Shop. I have family who lives up state and they have to travel further to go to the store most people in this country do especially out side the tri state area. I don't see anyone starving in the streets in Southampton.
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Apr 20, 17 10:50 AM
They do not have fresh sauerkraut. If you ask them to stock something like that when you are looking for it - and they see you coming again - they say "here comes trouble"....VERY responsive to community needs
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Apr 27, 17 7:50 PM
Makes sense. Build affordable house with no affordable resources.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Apr 19, 17 7:31 AM
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JM11968, why does it have to be all or nothing....39 is a commercial corridor. There are zoning laws to prevent a shopping center up Scuttle Hole road. You obviously have never filed for a building permit or zone change. The process is costly and arduous. Look at the vacancy's of small business on Main Street. Retail is not as strong as you think. And, why don't you travel west to Muttontown or Manhassett and make your "Points West" case. Get educated.
By The Real World (368), southampton on Apr 19, 17 7:34 AM
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Zoning laws are put in place for a reason CR 39 has been over built time and again, bad planing prevailed. I am not against change, I am for growth with guidance. You should know that this zone change is president setting that is why people don't want it. Also, to your point if there are vacancies on main street then why would you build a shopping center on CR 39 wouldn't you want to have a vibrant downtown? The fact is thee have always been seasonal stores in the village and I suspect that most ...more
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Apr 19, 17 11:17 AM
Have you checked the price per square foot for commercial real estate lately?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 21, 17 2:48 PM
I agree with you - the vacancies within Southampton Village for DECADES speaks volumes
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Apr 27, 17 7:52 PM
we used to have 3 markets in the village now we have one dump and why should i have to leave town to go to a decent supermarket? we have more people living here now and bad choices on where to shop. we still need another super market but enjoy the crappy traffic we still have anyway.for people who were against this- what way of life in this town are you clinging too?
By BrianWilliams (87), on Apr 19, 17 8:03 PM
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If there was a demand, those stores would have never closed. More people really? More alternative facts, Just because some of the city people stay into October doesn't mean that the east end is a year round community.
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Apr 20, 17 11:36 AM
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Finally, someone who sees the picture.
By gusef (53), Southampton on Apr 21, 17 5:59 AM
The demand IS there for the year round locals. We have simply been forced to use alternatives such as Peapod ( which delivers food near its expiration date )Fresh direct ONLY delivers during the summer season.We have to go to BH or HB. We need affordable shopping here but u dont see the village lined with affordable shops. So when we talk about demand, lets remember WHO the stores really cater to. Regarding those who live upstate, um things tend to be much more spread out as you go north. Besides ...more
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Apr 21, 17 7:20 AM
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One Dump ? Citarellas is beautiful
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Apr 21, 17 2:38 PM
Either way, a new shopping center does not mean affordable shopping as I said in my previous post. The East End is a Summer Resort Community!! Yes there are some retieres and people who use there homes on the weekend weather permitting. Your argument are based purely on emotion instead of building new why doesn't the developer buy out the lease on the CVS or Rite Aid and invest in those properties if he's so concerned about everyones dietary needs? I would support that 100%
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Apr 21, 17 5:15 PM
Actually, Gristedes closed when the entire corporation folded. IGA was bought out of their lease by CVS, the landlord wanted to get the drugstore in because they pay more than grocery stores. And yes, we have more people year round than we did in the 80s. People telecommute. I have 2 clients that moved out year round this year alone.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Apr 25, 17 6:14 AM
You can thank Southampton Town for appointing a group of spiteful, angry, throwback old farts to a so called Southampton Citizens Advisory Committee. Those women are directly responsible for your severely lacking choice of services in Southampton Town. When you are picking through scraps while getting run over by anxious renters in the aisles of stop in shop thank the Southampton CAC.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Apr 21, 17 6:24 AM
Right, but there are lots of different options for food within Southampton town and village.

By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Apr 21, 17 1:47 PM
"Right, but"?
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Apr 21, 17 2:33 PM
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I along with many other people cannot afford to food shop at Citarella. And I dont have the time during the summer months to bounce all around for my shopping needs. This is WHAT the prob is for soo many of us .
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Apr 22, 17 7:09 AM
Again, with due respect, you do not read my comments in there entirety. I would have No! problem with someone coming in and returning Rite Aid or CVS back into a grocery store Just like The Citarella building was formally a grocery store. Shopping centers are dining. The simple case here is you have greedy property owners who will stop at nothing to get their way and they really don't care about you me or anyone else as long as they get theres.
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Apr 22, 17 4:46 PM
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If the shopping for food was as problematic as those who favored the new shopping center claim, wouldn't there be folks leaving the area in search of a place with more convenient options? We live in one of the most beautiful places in the nation, driving 15 minutes to get to a large supermarket is just not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 22, 17 6:21 AM
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You want to send all those people out on the road to drive for groceries? You do realize the road they'll travel on is Route 39, right? Why do you want to add more traffic to that road>
By VOS (1241), WHB on Apr 24, 17 5:56 PM
"All those people"?
If you're talking about locals, no big deal to find food within reasonable distances. In summer, food sources are enhanced with the farmstands where in some cases you can find more than produce--dairy products, fresh seafood, bakery products, condiments, flowers, e.g.
If you're talking about summer folks, many dine out, many have private chefs, many have their housekeepers stock their fridges prior to their arrival, or have food delivered and/or bring supplies from ...more
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 24, 17 7:09 PM
Yeah. Right. We live on the edge of SH Village and travel to either Bridgehampton or Hampton Bays to get groceries.

Farm stands? Private chefs? Talk about alternative truths.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Apr 25, 17 6:19 AM
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People, maybe be using there homes beyond the summer season i.e. retirees ect ect.... but once the temporture droops below 50 degrees they are on there way to to Florida. More people should really understand what this area would look like if it was not for the conservation efforts of the land trust and CPF founds It would probably look like Seaside New Jersey. I am assuming due your stance on development you would be ok with that.
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Apr 25, 17 2:05 PM
During the spring summer and early fall The majority of traffic on 39 seems to be contractors, landscapers and laborers from UTI (up the Island) as witnessed by the relatively light number of vehicles during the winter.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 25, 17 7:14 AM
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I would imagine if the developer sent a rep to stand at Stop & shop for a week with a petition, that the petition would speak for itself. Those who live in their more fortunate bubble than I do would maybe finally accept that a large amount of people want this grocery store. Especially those who must work over 60 hours a week to stay here. Greedy developers? This area is all about greed. This place isn't as beautiful as it used to be...locals are leaving left an right.

Instead of having ...more
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Apr 25, 17 7:46 AM
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'This place isn't as beautiful as it used to be...locals are leaving left an right.'

- take a look around, there is still much to cherish. Not everyone has given up on the area.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Apr 25, 17 9:52 AM
That's not why locals are leaving.....smh....
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Apr 25, 17 9:55 AM
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"This place isn't as beautiful as it used to be" gee I wonder what this place would've looked like without CPF or the Land Trust. My guess is the alternative is what you would want? it is people with a mind set like yours that don't full realize how fortunate you are to live here. You can't always have your cake and eat it too.
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Apr 25, 17 8:27 PM
I dont expect to have my cake an eat it too. Easier done if I had been born with a silver spoon in my mouth. As for the Peconic Land trust, I am very much a supporter , TY.
The beauty of this place is comprised of more than just the visual aspect. Do you remember when you knew your neighbors ? Or your children could play on your once quiet street. Do you remember the mom and pop shops in the village. Or when the trip to the supermarket was like social hour bc you knew everyone. Do you remember ...more
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Apr 27, 17 8:33 PM
You are right and guess what a Shopping Center on 39 WILL NOT CHANGE THAT!
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Apr 27, 17 9:22 PM
Correct. And theres traffic on 39 no matter what. The unusual thing is that the solution to the whole problem is that we simply drive to Hampton Bays KK or Bridgehampton KK....well guess what?....thats ADDING TRAFFIC TO COUNTY ROAD 39! Which is exactly why you all are against this shopping center. Makes no sense to me. So thank you Hampton Bays KK!! Went yesterday morning and stocked up! Guess how I got there? Heres a hint, it wasn't by sea.
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Apr 29, 17 8:07 AM
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But, again, is no one concerned about a strip mall next to the diner? Or is it ok if Joe Farrell develops it?
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Apr 30, 17 7:59 AM
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Im concerned! The old Glennon building is where the Village was considering the Fresh Market but denied it due to the traffic issue! This is when they were considering the grocery store in Tuckahoe. They chose not to make a decision on the Fresh Market until they gathered more info about a King Kullen in Tuckahoe. And NOW its to become a strip mall , as if we need this! ABSURD! Put an Ambulance Barn annex there!

SH Press : " Southampton Village Market Proposal for Hampton Road" Feb 20, ...more
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 1, 17 7:23 AM