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Jun 5, 2019 11:29 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton Village Places Surf Camps On Hold

Southampton Village rejected two bids to operate a surf camp in the village this summer. GREG WEHNER
Jun 5, 2019 11:29 AM

The Southampton Village Board rejected two bids from local surf schools to operate on village beaches this summer, as a precursor to reevaluating the program.

Mayor Michael Irving said the board wants to look at the village’s guidelines, which have morphed into something unintended from when they were first conceived.

“They have changed from giving surf and ocean lessons to a small group, to large day camps at the beach—not what was the original intent,” he said.

This year, two bids were filed with the village. Flying Point submitted a bid for $2,500, and Kurt Rist submitted a bid for $2,000.

The bids, in comparison to the amount of money the schools charge, raise questions to some. According to Flying Point’s website, a single day of surf camp is $190, or $950 for an entire week. Boards are provided, and for an additional $25, campers can rent a wet suit.

The Flying Point Surf School was the first school to get a contract with the village to hold classes along the beach, beginning in 2013. In 2014, a competitive bidding process was implemented to allow a single school to get a permit, similar to the way the Coopers Beach concession stand is awarded.

That first year, the owner of Flying Point Surf School, Shane Dyckman, paid only $500 for the permit.

Calls to Mr. Dyckman were not returned, but a statement on the company’s website acknowledges that it did not get a permit from Southampton Village this year, so the school that was operated at Little Plains Beach was being moved to Peters Pond in Sagaponack.

Regardless of the news, the school’s statement said its officials are “beyond excited to get surfing and counting down the days until camp starts.”

Village Administrator Russell Kratoville said the village became aware of the school breaching the guidelines from members of the public, including members of the surf community. The input from the public, he said, gave the village an opportunity to take a pause and evaluate the program.

“They talked about recognizing the long-standing tradition of surfing in the village, but they are looking at whether these are lessons or a camp,” he said. “Is this a summer camp that gives surf lessons, or is it surf lessons? I think those are some of the things [the Village Board] wants to take a step back and look at.”

The village surf school is required to follow several guidelines to operate, including operating only Monday through Friday from 9 a.m. to noon. The school is limited to 20 students at any given time, and the school cannot give separate private lessons before, during or after the allotted time.

The school must also follow Suffolk County guidelines for a day summer camp for all of its activities, even though it does not qualify as a camp.

The selected surf school also cannot have signs on the beach at any time advertising the business or surfing sponsors. The camp is also required to have comprehensive public liability insurance.

Rumors circulating around the village speculated that the company was looking to operate the camp on its own. Mr. Irving said that was not the case.

“What we’re looking to do is bring that surf group together, have a small working group and say, ‘Okay, we didn’t go with a surfing camp this year. We think it’s important that we continue the tradition of surfing and make it available, especially for our youth that are looking to do it. What’s the best way to do it?’” he said. “When you throw that out there, then you can get into the nuts and bolts of how to start the program.”

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So, the village want to make it economically unfeasible for these local guys to run their camps? Business un-friendly as usual.
By Agawam Yacht Club (69), Southampton on Jun 5, 19 12:03 PM
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The blatant violation of the terms of the permit went on from day one , operating outside the specified hours, too many students, private lessons all were allowed to happen by the Epley administration , it got so bad that the Village PD refused to enforce the ordinance regarding commercial activity on Village beaches. Last year was the last straw as the violations occurred in plain sight at Little Plains Beach and the public spoke up and , surprise, was heard. No one is against kids learning to ...more
By bigfresh (4545), north sea on Jun 5, 19 12:12 PM
I think that would require a look at whether the ordinances make sense at all. Were they designed to solve a problem that doesn't exist anymore? Were they put in place in a different era and are now antiquated? Are the ordinances targeted legislation? Just bc there's a law on the books doesn't mean it's a just law. The great thing about this democracy of ours is that all the laws are open to scrutiny all the time.
By Agawam Yacht Club (69), Southampton on Jun 5, 19 2:17 PM
The law is the law and Flying Point violated the law . They ran lessons on the weekends and after noon in violation of their permit, Epley let it happen and provided official cover for them.
By bigfresh (4545), north sea on Jun 6, 19 7:05 AM
The argument is volume. Classes of 20 or less without private lessons are the set rules.

The sessions morphed into something beyond the limitations of the agreement, therefore a confab is now required to keep things safe. And, keep things in fiscal context. You are running a private service on public property, ergo some agreed upon dues should be paid.
By Mr. Z (11552), North Sea on Jun 10, 19 8:00 PM
How can the just move to the beach at Peter's Pond - isn't it illegal to operate a business on town beaches / parking areas?
- There public spaces should not be restricted due to a business trying to operate. Happens all over Southampton town from Westhampton to Sag.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (734), southampton on Jun 5, 19 1:27 PM
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Little Plains is a village beach. As is Gin Lane, Halsey Neck, and Olde Towne.
By Mr. Z (11552), North Sea on Jun 10, 19 8:02 PM
Dykman has been down this road previously. Google his battles with East Hampton over the Service Station restaurant and Sag Town Coffee in Sag Harbor. Seems he has opened businesses in violation and eventually closed, sold, or settled and paid the meager fines to stay open.
By Arnold Timer (326), Sag Harbor on Jun 5, 19 5:10 PM
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By toes in the water (881), southampton on Jun 5, 19 5:17 PM
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It’s Dyckman Jeff, spell his name correctly. You’re in the darn store every morning, ask him yourself if your so concerned.
By Barefootkids (1), Bridgehampton on Jun 5, 19 9:08 PM
WOW barefootkids....such hostility over forgetting the "C" in Dykmans name.....and you own a childrens camp ?!?!?! They say birds of a feather flock together ......
By toes in the water (881), southampton on Jun 6, 19 6:33 AM
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By toes in the water (881), southampton on Jun 6, 19 7:10 AM
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By toes in the water (881), southampton on Jun 6, 19 7:11 AM
it's "you're"....take some grammar lessons.
By lirider (284), Hampton Bays on Jun 6, 19 11:32 AM
Shane is not a bad guy. He was in the restaurant biz, which isn’t a walk in the park. He fought a battle with the village of Easthampton to save his business, plain and simple. His fight with the village of Sag Harbor was also about his business. I believe he won the right to keep an opening between his coffee shop open. I can say he’s not some evil person, he also employs a lot of local people. Maybe look at the facts before you condemn someone.
By Fred s (3019), Southampton on Jun 5, 19 5:27 PM
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By Arnold Timer (326), Sag Harbor on Jun 5, 19 8:14 PM
His history is trying to stay in business. It was nothing against anyone, he was trying to earn a living. He was operating a surf camp, he had the permits and necessary insurances. He wasn’t in violation of any rules.
By Fred s (3019), Southampton on Jun 5, 19 9:23 PM
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By toes in the water (881), southampton on Jun 6, 19 6:30 AM
I believe when you apply for a surf camp permit you have to show insurance certificates. He still had surf camp with all the things you pointed out. As to the door kicking incident, he has no excuse for that. All this is about nothing.
By Fred s (3019), Southampton on Jun 6, 19 6:44 AM
If the surf camp was for "underserved surfers" who lived in a "surf desert," , it would be approved; no problem.
By Babyboo (292), Hampton Bays on Jun 5, 19 6:45 PM
Let kids learn how to surf. We are absolutely surrounded by water here, yet Southampton doesn’t even have a pool to teach our kids. No swim team either. Wouldn’t it make sense to teach every child around here how to swim?
By Lets go mets (377), Southampton on Jun 5, 19 6:52 PM
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Send them to Hot Dog Beach or Tiana Beach. They would be welcomed by all.
By Hamptonsway (93), Southampton on Jun 5, 19 7:04 PM
Triton Lane.
By Mr. Z (11552), North Sea on Jun 10, 19 7:52 PM
Mayor Irving lets please figure out a how to get our kids out there learning to surf before we lose big pieces of summer.
By CPalmer (100), Southampton on Jun 5, 19 7:22 PM
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Some rich dude just complain no surfing near my house
By chief1 (2768), southampton on Jun 5, 19 7:34 PM
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By toes in the water (881), southampton on Jun 6, 19 7:17 AM
People don't "learn" to surf, they're "born" to surf or not !!!
Jun 7, 19 8:44 AM appended by themarlinspike
Charlie Don't Surf
By themarlinspike (481), Northern Hemisphere on Jun 6, 19 8:44 AM
Let kids surf! who really cares? how is it effecting anyone commenting on here!? Flying point isn't the only show in town. If you didn't know this, you obviously aren't at any of the surfing beaches anyway! Secondly, Lets be really skeptical of the local government clearly over-reaching on their jurisdiction!!! Whats next making gas-powered leaf blowers illegal?! oh wait, they did that too... Next, no ball throwing in the park?! Oh wait they did that too... What else would be next? a moratorium ...more
By drain da swamp (1), Southampton on Jun 6, 19 10:14 AM
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Wait. They took their permits & agreed to follow the rules? Then they didn't. And it's everyone else's fault they got slapped? Way to go bud.
By East End 2 (150), Southampton on Jun 6, 19 12:56 PM
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This isn't about surfing. It's about the opposite of surfing.
By even flow (943), East Hampton on Jun 6, 19 1:15 PM
Surf camps took what was the one last pure sport and prostituted for monetary gain. There was a pecking order, respect, now it's just hey me first mentality. My wave get off.
By lirider (284), Hampton Bays on Jun 6, 19 11:34 AM
Hey! So every “local surfer” that complained about FlyingPoint doing their surf camp are bitter and washed up former surfers who rarely go in the water anymore(kooks). Why don’t you come down and surf when we get real waves in the fall and winter? They’re jealous of kids having a good time and building a safe and caring relationship with our oceans while they sit in their trucks on the beach. You guys are taking money out of local surfers pockets by getting the camp shut ...more
By Brocomalife411 (1), Southampton on Jun 6, 19 12:32 PM
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No one has a beef with kids learning to surf, the issue is that there was blatant disregard to the terms of the permit. For some reason Flying Point was somehow above the law and Epley made sure of it! Things got better for the local surfers when there was bottom in the Village and they set up shop there. Unfortunately for the surf camp there illegal activities were obvious to anyone using Little Plains and they were shut out of the process this year. If you have a beef with anyone Braco, it should ...more
By bigfresh (4545), north sea on Jun 6, 19 1:04 PM
Southampton Village has benefited from these surf camps for many years. Campers purchase surfboards, wetsuits, bathing suits, sunscreen and eat at local establishments. The surf instructors are talented young men and women who want to share their passion for the sport and their love of the east end. I have witnessed these surfers paddling out to help beachgoers in distress many times, there are no certified lifeguards at many of the village beaches. Last summer it was a pleasure to watch kids learning ...more
By Namaste19 (1), southampton on Jun 6, 19 1:07 PM
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My beach =/= your office space.
By even flow (943), East Hampton on Jun 6, 19 1:09 PM
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some business owners are good business people,some are not.... thats why there is an expiration date on the permits. play by the rules you agreed to,and maybe there would not be all this debate, or the local kids out of work !
By savedalocalz.com (4), southampton on Jun 6, 19 4:44 PM
does the Village do background checks on all those who submit a bid? when children are involved, this should be done an they should rule out the BAD EGGS from submitting a bid.
By toes in the water (881), southampton on Jun 7, 19 6:34 AM
I’m a parent of a surf school kid. There’s no one even on the beach in the morning but the camp. They don’t bother anyone or break any laws. This is ridiculous to make this so hard for these camps to operate.
They are very safe and clean and courteous. Again no one is even on the beach at 9 am
By Sag harbor resident (5), on Jun 7, 19 7:00 AM
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no one has a beef with the camp operating between 9 and noon , Monday through Friday, they ran it 7 days a week , morning until late afternoon. The truck full of soft top boards was there until at least 5:oo, along with instructors and kids.
By bigfresh (4545), north sea on Jun 7, 19 12:57 PM
If they had just followed the rules of the agreement there wouldn't be any problem. But of course, greed takes over and the owners want to take advantage of the circumstances for monetary gain and ruin it for the kids. SHAME.
By FarOutEast (16), Southampton on Jun 7, 19 9:17 AM
Exploitation is the name of the game. Just look around our home for say, the past thirty years.

Overdeveloped, overpopulated, and oversexed. Leave no postage stamp undeveloped!!
By Mr. Z (11552), North Sea on Jun 10, 19 7:54 PM
Hot Tubs,SALE, Southampton Village, SouthamptonFest weekend