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Jul 3, 2014 12:55 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Starbucks Plans Hampton Road Location; Southampton Mayor Won't Support Store

Jul 9, 2014 11:02 AM

Starbucks plans to open a store in Southampton Village in coming months, officials from the coffee company said this week, but at least one village official said he’s not so hot about the idea.

The store would open at 29 Hampton Road this fall, and would offer many different unique features, a spokesperson said.

Village Mayor Mark Epley said, however, that because Starbucks is considered a restaurant, it would require a special exception use permit that would need approval from both the Village Planning Board and the Zoning Board of Appeals. Neither Starbucks nor the owner of the 1,180-square-foot building have filed an application yet, Mr. Epley said.

The company would also need approval from the Suffolk County Department of Health to convert a dry space to a wet use.

“I would not support a special exception use for a national restaurant chain such as Starbucks,” Mr. Epley said.

According to a site plan for the new coffee shop, Morton Certilman, an attorney based in East Meadow, is listed as the landlord of the vacant building. He has not responded to a request for comment.

The site plan includes the standards in all Starbucks stores: a barista counter, a drink and pastry cooler, tables and chairs in the cafe, a restroom, and a kitchen in the back.

In an email, the Starbucks spokesperson said the store would be fitting of its Hamptons location.

“In addition to our core coffees, this store will offer Starbucks Reserve, a special collection of rare, exquisite coffees which are selected from small farms all over the world by our experienced coffee team and delivered each week to ensure maximum freshness and flavor, available for limited times at select stores,” the spokesperson said in an email. “We are also excited to share that customers at the new store in Southampton will be able to order their coffee brewed on The Clover Brewing System, which lets you discover new layers and dimensions within a coffee’s familiar aroma, flavor, body and acidity, brewed fresh by the cup.”

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Perhaps Starbucks' should consult with Citarella and ask how they were allowedto open, AND have the village change the parking for them! Maybe the surf School allowed to operate in violation of the terms of their permit might shed some light on how to proceed.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 3, 14 3:31 PM
I agree. Citarella is completely misplaced, and will cause endless traffic problems. The disproportionate consumption of the very limited parking behind the stores will severely impact every adjacent store and business.

One likes to be open minded -- Citarella would likely have worked very well at the CVS site (ample parking, no harm to other businesses). But in a clearly bad-for-all-but-Citarella decision -- enabling a chain retailer (Yes, Citarella is a chain) into such an inappropriate ...more
By Peconic Dolphin (9), Southampton on Jul 18, 14 11:31 AM
If anyone want to see the proposal it's here:
http://visiblecc.com/planroom/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/62507-001_Southampton_2014-06-20.pdf
By llamaben (4), Southampton on Jul 3, 14 3:54 PM
It's odd to me that the design is almost IDENTICAL to the original Southampton Starbucks which is now a dunkin donuts. How uncreative.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 3, 14 4:05 PM
Since the above link will almost certainly be red-lined:

www (dot) visiblecc.com/planroom/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/62507-001_Southampton_2014-06-20 (dot) pdf
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 3, 14 4:09 PM
“I would not support a special exception use for a national restaurant chain such as Starbucks,” Mr. Epley said.

But it's OK for the Golden Pear to be in Town? They're a chain too...albeit a local one. A starbucks once straddled the village/town border (and was closed due to weak profits - primarily because of a difficult location).

I personally hope the starbucks gets denied due to the variances it needs - not because it's a "chain" store.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 3, 14 4:00 PM
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I don't get the "national" chain bias.Isn't the most important consideration, a high quality, attractive retail establishment that fills a consumer need.
I'd rather have a national chain with these characteristics, rather than a dumpy looking "local" store.
By EWM (9), southampton on Jul 4, 14 4:28 PM
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I am confused by his aversion to Starbucks, Isnt Citarella a chain store? It may not be national, but still a chain, as is CVS, Rite Aide, Walbaums, and Michael Koors to name a few. Nothing wrong with competion, locals will remain loyal to thier favorite morning coffee spot, hipsters will have some place to go for free wifi.
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Jul 7, 14 3:29 PM
But Pottery Barn was OK?
By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Jul 7, 14 7:35 PM
You are correct. Add to that list -- every Real Estate office in the village, Pottery Barn, Carvel, the last two of which have taken root in he village, in just the past few years.

That being said -- I do support and consistently shop local businesses over chains. Nothing gives you that "Lynbrook" feel, like walking into our local CVS. Southampton Village pols seem intent on portraying an image of supporting local businesses, then letting chains like Citarella have free reign to overwhelm ...more
By Peconic Dolphin (9), Southampton on Jul 18, 14 11:44 AM
I hope they open - competition is good. Although I won't be there since I think their coffee isn't good. Lot's of businesses in this small town get pretty lazy, but still want to charge top dollar. This will help fix that.
By SHResident (59), Southampton on Jul 3, 14 4:33 PM
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Our neighbors charge what they do because they have to. Competition is good until corporations come in with low prices that beat out our neighbors simply because they can afford it and force the locals to close up shop.
By 290 (8), Southampton on Jul 4, 14 5:23 PM
I hope theres a huge line out the door twenty four seven, one bmw and rove ranger after another and every 'just got here' weekend visitor (welcome to the hamptons) commit his/her entire day, night and weekends to patronage so there less hipsters invading where I am
By david h (405), southampton on Jul 3, 14 4:41 PM
Where on Hampton Road?
By metsfan2 (163), southampton on Jul 3, 14 5:35 PM
Across from La Parmigiana
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 3, 14 8:32 PM
This mayor talks out of both sides of his mouth. He wants all the stores filled but he wants to make a arbitrary selection. Sure mr mayor vote against it so we can spend 50k in legal fees on a case the village will lose. When the mayor is in the parade tomorrow maybe he can reflect on what freedom really means.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jul 3, 14 6:00 PM
AGREED CHEIF!! The mayor is a typical politcian to use his postion to better himself and his family. I was fired from my job as his wife overheard a conversation I had with a co-worker and then the next thing I knew I was out of a job!! True story! ! I could not prove it but that's the fact. They mayor will use his power to do what ever suits him or his family!!
By J. Totta (106), Sag Harbor on Jul 15, 14 2:41 PM
I would welcome this The competion is good for the village and will be a nice addition!
By blackduck1 (20), southampton on Jul 4, 14 9:25 AM
Wake up people!!

Approvals are needed from Planning and ZBA.
Does Epley serve on either of those boards???

Of course he's "against it"--he's a politician, sticking his finger into the political wind

As long as Starbucks pays their fees, secures their Health Dept permit, and provides the required parking, or pays into the Village parking fund--they'll get their approval.

What's all the fuss about?


By aging hipster (201), Southampton on Jul 4, 14 9:52 AM
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The only thing I will be able to afford is the aroma at this SPECIAL Starbucks.The Clover Brewing System,,,,,,,,,,,wow........That is what I use its called a coffee pot.
By Etians rd (543), Southampton on Jul 4, 14 11:12 AM
I thought there was a no national chain restaurant law on the Village books. Doug Murtha had it put in when he was mayor...
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Jul 4, 14 2:09 PM
The Kardashians are OK, but not Starbucks??? If Starbucks is in compliance but still denied approval I hope they sue the village into bankruptcy. We are a democratic,capitalist society and the government cannot arbitrarily inhibit the free market.
By Arnold Timer (327), Sag Harbor on Jul 4, 14 7:18 PM
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Wel,l Citarella's had no room for their own cesspool,but, the village let them share the Chinese restaurant's cesspool! The whole configuration of parking was changed for Citarella! They don't have to adhere to the plastic bag ban,why all this for Citarella! Not for the middle class locals. They are too expensive. Someone gave favors for sure!!!!
By bayview (160), Southampton on Jul 4, 14 8:42 PM
I'm a blue colar local

I thought Citarella prices were out of my reach until I went there for myself. The prices are competitive and actually many items like sandwiches and the hot bar were actually cheaper than 90% of the delis out here.

The crowd is upper class, but the prices are right on.
By llimretaw (118), watermill on Jul 5, 14 8:02 AM
How short-sighted of Mayor Epley. It's ridiculous to have to drive to Hampton Bays to get a Starbucks. The store would bring traffic and actually be a service to the myriad people who work, shop, day trip, and vacation here. Southampton Village needs to get with the 21st century and offer its residents, tourists, and workers what THEY WANT -- not what a bunch of preservationists out-of-touch with their constituency want to preseve the status quo. Why does the Golden Pear and its overpriced menu ...more
By EastEndWriter (5), Southampton on Jul 7, 14 11:33 AM
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What's ridiculous is that anyone would even consider driving from Southampton to Hampton Bays to get a "Starbucks."
By VOS (1241), WHB on Jul 7, 14 7:47 PM
No, it's called "personal choice". And it would be an unncessary one if the Southampton snobs would wake up and realize that hanging on to the past is ridiculous -- and bad for business. The fact that people actually DO make the drive to get what they want should communicate one thing and one thing only: It's a sale that would otherwise be made in Southampton Village. YOU'RE the ridiculous one for not seeing the lost sales that get made in neighboring towns.
By EastEndWriter (5), Southampton on Sep 22, 14 11:05 AM
I was sorry to see our little Starbucks close (at the corner of North Sea and CR 39), but the location was not right. Mayor Epley, I urge you to reconsider your position. In fact, I think I'll take a drive right now to Bridgehampton for a triple grande vanilla latte, extra foam. Gets me through the day very nicely.
By Goathag (1), East Quogue on Jul 7, 14 12:12 PM
The salient point is that Mr. Mayor is not on the boards that will have to pass on
the Starbucks. The real problem is that the mayor appoints all the members of all the boards and with a few exceptions, these people are all part of Epley's web of
insider favors when it come to building. And most of the people on these boards
have a vested interest in development. Today the mayor is reappointing all the board members and some of them should be replaced.
By localcitizen (110), Southampton on Jul 7, 14 12:53 PM
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You can't elect Mark and then complain about him.
By westhamptonboy (227), Westhampton on Jul 8, 14 10:56 AM
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why not ?
By david h (405), southampton on Jul 8, 14 12:02 PM
Continuing violations of the terms of the permit issued to the "surf camp" no action taken. HMMMMMMMM
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 9, 14 6:37 AM
Hell, all Starbucks has to do is to pay off the same Epley gang members that
Citarella paid off. Mayor Epley's protest is a prelude to his ZBA providing Starbucks with the special exception and, he, the godfather of corruption, will claim innocence and helplessness.
As for the residents' protest? Ask the Southampton Association how much good it did (before the ZBA and the NYS Supreme Court, that they had 233 signatures from residents opposing the subdivision of the Paul Robinson two ...more
By ek616367 (14), Southampton on Jul 10, 14 12:31 PM
"...bribing law clerks and judges"

One would think an attorney would be more careful about making libelous statements in a public forum.
By VOS (1241), WHB on Jul 10, 14 12:44 PM
Bribing public officials is a felony - please cite Epley's convictions for such acts. Alternately, please cite the "facts" which you state exist and apparently have for some strange reason not been prosecuted.
By VOS (1241), WHB on Jul 11, 14 1:26 PM
Really Evelyn you are an attorney making accusations of payoffs, and bribery? If this is true you as an attorney have an obligation to come forward with facts about a corrupt court or judges. Otherwise your comments are libelous. The house on Hill St is around 5,000 sq ft and its on an acre. I doubt you can consider that too large for a piece of land. By the way the lot on Hill St was for sale for more than a year. Why didn't these civic do gooder's put their money together, and purchase it?
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jul 16, 14 9:50 AM
My family and I and all my employees appreciate all of your support over the past 27 years!! The Golden Pear will continue to offer the finest, barista prepared lattes and cappuccinos, fine brewed coffees, exceptional house-made bakery 7 days a week (I don't know where Starbucks gets their bakery goods or food), chef-made all-natural, free-range breakfasts (not microwaved eggs), sandwiches, soups, Panini and more. I have never, nor will I ever compromise quality of ingredients! We are one of ...more
By Keith (2), Hampton Bays on Jul 11, 14 3:32 PM
No way is Starbucks going to put Golden Pear out of business--Much as I like Starbucks (and I do) for niche purchases (frappuchino, coffee, etc), it can't hold a candle to Golden Pear for foods. Starbucks foods are prefab all the way, nothing to get excited about. Golden Pear is local cuisine, a great place to stop into on the way to work, on the way home, or for a nice lunch no matter what the season. Friend of mine just closed a store on Hampton Road; I wonder whether they would have had to ...more
By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Jul 12, 14 10:54 AM
Where do you get your baked good from? When you refer to your baked goods as ''house made'' what does that mean?
By The Modern Era (6), Southampton on Jul 13, 14 7:23 AM
Your also, in essence, a "chain".
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 16, 14 4:08 PM
It means they make there own stuff in house...its not pre-packaged
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Jul 17, 14 4:16 PM
locally owned and operated...but yes a "chain"...stop being obtuse, you may not agree wit they Mayor but you know exactly what he means when he refers to national chain stores.
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Jul 17, 14 4:20 PM
My point is what's the difference between a "local" chain and a national chain? And what's the definition of "local"? Citeralla has stores in the city - do they get to be considered local? It's all BS. The majority of the village is comprised of national retailers.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 17, 14 4:29 PM
You write like a classy Lady and one can feel your elegance by your words.
By Summer Resident (251), Southampton N.Y. on Jul 18, 14 11:02 PM
Mr. Davis, are you still bringing over students from England and abroad to work your stores for you instead of giving jobs to actual American citizens?? I'm sure our young people would much appreciate the summer job opportunities that you willfully give away to save money paying livable American wages. At least Starbucks hires AMERICANS.
By EastEndWriter (5), Southampton on Sep 22, 14 11:09 AM
After Starbucks goes in at the old Corcoran offices on Windmill La across from the old post office, I wonder what will end up moving into The Golden Pear?. Is it interesting to anyone else that after decades of coming here the city people couldn't find a reasonably priced market to buy the qualify breakfast items and great coffee two perpetually sought after items in coastal tourist towns? They brought Citarella and Starbucks right to SH out of necessity.
By The Modern Era (6), Southampton on Jul 12, 14 6:39 AM
Hey Modern Era..

A few corrections:

1. Starbucks is considering the location on Hampton Road across from new Citarella, not Nugent Street in former Corcoran office.

2. If you are asserting that Starbucks will put Golden Pear out of business, you are sadly mistaken. I compete with them in BH and EH and my sales are very strong there...

3. "They brought Citarella and Starbucks to SH"... Who is "they"??? Clearly you have no business sense! Citarella and Starbucks ...more
By Keith (2), Hampton Bays on Jul 12, 14 9:54 AM
Starbucks will be good for SV business, it is a draw. Look how Citarilla has transformed Hampton Rd. Would anyone argue that it is not better than a large vacant space? Mayor Epley does not understand business, if he thinks a vacant store is better that a proven high quality tenant, that offers full time jobs, pays the health ins for it's employees, etc. Futher, he has no say, it is up to the boards to decide, but if Starbucks is denied, due to his big mouth, they have a good lawsuit.
By tim2011 (18), southampton on Jul 12, 14 10:39 AM
Who are all these people going to the mat on behalf of Starbucks? How have they been convinced that high priced mediocrity is something we need here?
By VOS (1241), WHB on Jul 13, 14 12:46 AM
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It's not about need it's about freedom of choice, competition and the free market. Starbucks was on the outskirts of the village and had horrible sales and closed due to a terrible location and poor access. They believe they can turn a profit if they are in the village.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 16, 14 4:10 PM
The location on Hampton Rd. was off by a few inches for wet use. The Starbucks is going up on Nugent where the closed Corcoroan office is. Count on it. Starbucks wants that corner and while charities are cute, what attracts shoppers are qualify products at a reasonable price within a pleasant transactional experience. Good coffee at Citarella is $1.
By The Modern Era (6), Southampton on Jul 13, 14 7:17 AM
Grease applied in the right place will makes things run smoothly!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 14, 14 7:07 AM
We would welcome Starbucks with open arms in Water Mill. There is a 3500SF restaurant space with 100 seats zoned.
By SouthamptonWines (1), on Jul 16, 14 3:41 PM
And not nearly enough foot traffic to make it work, not to mention lack of parking in water mill and the desire for people to skirt WM due to traffic.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 16, 14 4:03 PM
In BH most of the customers nurse a cop of coffee to use the wifi and internet service. Not big spenders just take up chair space.
By xtiego (698), bridgehampton on Jul 16, 14 3:41 PM
Most "sitting" customers. That is not "most" customers by any means.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 17, 14 2:45 PM