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Nov 4, 2009 12:46 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton Town PBA to appeal ruling for police brass to separate from union

Nov 4, 2009 12:46 PM

According to the decision, in testimony by Town Management Services Administrator Richard Blowes, Mr. Blowes said the town was concerned separation would lead to additional legal fees for the town to conduct contract and other negotiations with the police. Mr. Aubé claimed that testimony contradicted a post-hearing brief filed by the town that expressed concern that conflicts between supervisors and rank-and-file officers made it “unsuitable” for them to be in the same bargaining unit.

“For whatever reason, [Supervisor] Linda Kabot instructed the town labor attorney to agree to a separation,” Mr. Aubé said. “Why would she do this?”

Disputing Mr. Aubé’s claims, Ms. Kabot said the town never opposed Superior Officers Association’s call for a separation. “The town has supported the ability of labor to organize,” she said. “There was a true conflict between low-ranking officers having some element of control over higher-ranking supervisors.”

The decision comes as the PBA and Southampton Town prepare to enter arbitration in March 2010 to resolve disagreements over wage raises for police officers and detectives. The PBA has requested a 4-percent raise next year, but town officials are seeking no increases.

If the Superior Officers Association does separate, Ms. Kabot said that union would likely request lower rate increases than the PBA.

“It’s likely that they are going to be much more reasonable about a wage increase,” Ms. Kabot said.

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So Supervisor Kabot stood up once again against the PBA in an effort that will lower the STPD payroll. No wonder they hate her. No wonder they love Anna.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 3, 09 3:56 PM
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They are a modern day Praetorian Guard, choosing who will become emperor and enrich them more.
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Nov 3, 09 4:29 PM
North of the Highway called it correct !
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 5, 09 6:52 PM
Sounds like the PBA rank and file have some anti-authority issues. One of the Police Brass' jobs is to oversee the rank and file and to enforce the proper discipline if needed. To threaten Police Brass seems to more closely resemble organized crime families instead of Police Officers. Will really have to consider possibly not donating to the PBA in the future.
By sayitaintsojoe (100), Westhampton on Nov 4, 09 2:18 PM
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>>>“It’s easier and simpler to have a single voice representing the desires of the PBA,” said Mr. Aubé, who joined the department in 1992 and became PBA president in 2007. “One union, one voice.”<<<

This is assuming that the rank and file MOS have the same objectives as the Superior Officers -- clearly they do not, and the Judge's decision should be unheald.
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Nov 5, 09 9:51 AM
PBA Presidents are often manipulated and controlled by management. They are sometimes faced with disciplinary matters themselves and will bargain away the rights of other union members to preserve their status in the union and organization. PBA Presidents facing disciplinary suspension will sometimes be faced with a decision to bargain away contractual rights of the union to save their job or avoid suspension. This is nothing new or unique to PBA and Government relationships. It happens all over. ...more
By RonDo (33), Southampton on Nov 5, 09 10:03 AM
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>> Southampton Town Government paid East End Quartermaster $229,876.65 for police uniforms and other equipment from 2006 to 2008. <<

Fine... if it was competitively bid. Where was Richard Blowes on this one?
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Nov 9, 09 10:22 PM
Praetorian is right .... Perfect Pat
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 5, 09 7:14 PM
Quite a revelation about East End Quartermaster. If I understand it - each time the PBA bargains for an increase in the uniform allowance rate Mr. Aube is essentially enhancing himself many times over.
By diogenes (57), westhampton on Nov 6, 09 4:46 PM
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must be true - from the Secratary of State Web Site of Coroprations

DOS Process (Address to which DOS will mail process if accepted on behalf of the entity)
Chairman or Chief Executive Officer
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Nov 6, 09 4:56 PM
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Judges ruling makes sense to me.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Nov 9, 09 2:02 PM
Rondo and North of Highway: Thank you for this revelation of the seeming corruption or breathtaking conflict of interest by of the PBA President Patrick Aube. Vendor purchases should always be at least arm's length and 100% above Board.

There should never be a suspicion that the highest union official is using his strategic position representing his fellow officers as a lever to enrich himself, potentially to the disadvantage of the very Officers he represents or the Town that employs ...more
By Common Sense (56), Southampton on Nov 9, 09 9:47 PM
This is out of control!
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 10, 09 10:29 AM

Its out of control because no one in a seat of political power can take these guys on. The unions own Albany lock stock and barrel. Good example, by law pension benefits cannot be bargained over by local government and its unions, all pension changes must be done by legislation. The unions, particularly the police unions simply get around this by getting a legislature member to draft a bill for whatever they want and get it passed in both houses. Even if the local jurisdiction ...more
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Nov 10, 09 11:25 AM
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Certainly, the police officers who have attained the rank of lieutenant or detective together with those sergeants who have been retained beyond twenty years should have a union separate from the general PBA. The interests of both sectors are quite different. The current set-up is an invitation to pressure administrators by union sanction into implementing work rules that are beneficial to the PBA but not to the Town.

While knowing that changes to the status quo are a fanciful notion ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 10, 09 3:20 PM
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look at your fire district taxes too. aren't our fire departments "volunteers"?
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Nov 11, 09 7:54 PM
North of Highway

Thanks for putting it out there.
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 10, 09 3:32 PM
Thanks - its not about service - I think by and large the police force does a good job - its about fairness and fiscal balance - how does this guy get to run a uniform business while bargaining over uniform allowances? And now I understand he wants full time release - that is, all his time as union business and no patrol work. Does he draw a salary from the Union? In NYC they do but even there very few cops get release time. But is does show what a great gig being a unuion head can be. There's no ...more
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Nov 10, 09 4:26 PM
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Right now the PBA Presidents in both the Town and Village PBA get "PBA Days" to use instead of burning any vacation or holidays. If the Town PBA President wants a full release it will be up to the Town Board to allow it or stop it. It will be up to the public to show up to the Town Board meetings and support the notion or stand up and object it. Either way if it happens you can's say you didn't see it coming.

But understand this; the salary of the PBA President will be paid by the Town ...more
By RonDo (33), Southampton on Nov 10, 09 5:38 PM
RonDo - thanks for the info - in NYC they DO draw a salary from the union and full pay from the City. If this comes to the Board - I'll show up and give my 3 minutes - I'll also have my wife waiting in a "getaway" car with the license plate blacked out so we can get home without a ticket!!! I'm not anti-cop - its a hard job - but it is paid accordingly - the Union has stepped beyond its bound and has entered a political field where it should not be -
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Nov 10, 09 10:27 PM
To North of Highway:

I, too, will appear at the Town Council meeting should it be proposed that the STPD PBA president be released from all policing obligations and continue to be paid by the Town for union work.

However, unlike you, I fear that the reprisals will extend beyond the drive home from Town Hall, so I will appear incognito. Hopefully, no one will notice the citizen in the dress with the mustache.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 11, 09 7:38 PM
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