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Nov 30, 2009 11:14 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Supreme Court lifts injunction on use of Aldrich Park

Editor's Note: This article was published in The Southampton Press on November 26.
Nov 30, 2009 11:14 AM

The Appellate Division of the New York State Supreme Court last week reversed a decision prohibiting day laborers from congregating at a preserved parkland site on Aldrich Lane in Southampton Village while looking for work each morning.

The appellate court’s decision, rendered on November 17, lifted the temporary injunction issued by a Suffolk County Supreme Court last year that forbade the use of Aldrich Park as a hiring site for day laborers, as the village had proposed. As a result of the ruling, the laborers are free to gather at the park and negotiate daily employment, at least until a lawsuit over the matter filed by neighbors of the site is settled. That lawsuit is currently in Suffolk County Court in Riverhead.

Southampton Village Mayor Mark Epley said the village no longer has any specific plans for using the parcel, known as Aldrich Park, as a formal hiring site.

Southampton Town and Southampton Village jointly purchased the 6-acre park in 2001 with Community Preservation Fund money, and, six years later, Mr. Epley had proposed using the vacant property next to the 7-Eleven at the corner of North Sea Road and Aldrich Lane as an open-air hiring site for day laborers, utilizing a U-shaped driveway. The village was planning to make it illegal for day laborers to solicit employment on North Sea Road and surrounding arteries as a way to shepherd the men to the park. No buildings were planned, although the mayor had suggested that portable bathrooms and benches might be added to the site, and in April 2007 village crews planted bushes to screen the site from the street. The mayor maintained that the cost of the work would be covered by donations.

The plaintiffs in the lawsuit, a group of three homeowners on Aldrich Lane, asked the Supreme Court to stop Aldrich Park from being used as a hiring site while their lawsuit was pending. The Supreme Court first granted their request, but a Manhattan advocacy firm called LatinoJustice intervened on behalf of two unnamed day laborers and worked to have that initial decision overturned.

“We’re delighted,” said Ghita Schwarz, an attorney at LatinoJustice, which was formerly known as the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund. “The courts made the only decision that it could.”

The crux of the initial lawsuit filed by the Aldrich Lane homeowners—whether or not it was illegal for Southampton Village to use property purchased with Community Preservation Funds as anything but a public park—was not resolved in the Appellate Division, Ms. Schwarz noted. That matter still lies in the hands of justices at the Suffolk County Supreme Court in Riverhead.

Anton Borovina, an attorney at Borovina & Marullo, PLLC in Melville, who is representing three families who live on Aldrich Lane, said that the appellate court lifted the injunction because his clients did not show that they would be “irreparably harmed” if the village went forward with its hiring site plans.

“My client failed to show irreparable injury caused by allowing these people to congregate,” said Mr. Borovina.

Mr. Borovina, however, disagreed with the Appellate Division’s decision, and maintained that the parcel will lose its qualities as a park if it is used as a place to link employers and day laborers. “It is ridiculous to suggest that a park, once converted to commercial use by the snap of a finger, can be reverted back to park use,” he said.

Mr. Borovina said that he will discuss the options for fighting the Appellate Division’s decision with the three families. He declined to state what options lie before them.

Ms. Schwarz said that there is nothing she can do for the case until the homeowners make a move in Suffolk County Supreme Court.

LatinoJustice was founded in 1972 by three Latino attorneys who wanted to fight for equality for South and Central Americans living in the United States. The advocacy group began representing two day laborers who frequently obtain work on North Sea Road in 2007. The day laborers are referred to as “John Doe No. 1” and “John Doe No. 2” in the lawsuit to protect their identities, Ms. Schwarz said.

“They’re protected because there is an enormous inflamed atmosphere in the park,” Ms. Schwarz said. “There were protesters yelling scary threats at the day laborers, activists and nuns, who were also getting called offensive names.

“The park has a history of violence and fear, and we wanted to make sure the laborers who were so brave to come forward weren’t going to be intimidated by vigilante groups,” she continued.

Another portion of the appellate division’s decision involved whether or not LatinoJustice would be allowed to represent a migrant worker’s rights group called Coalition for a Worklink Center, and other individual activists. The Appellate Division is only permitting LatinoJustice to intervene on behalf of the two unnamed day laborers because the coalition and the other activists do not have a vested interest in the lawsuit, Ms. Schwarz explained.

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not on CPF land
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Nov 24, 09 10:39 AM
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Congrats to all of those who fought so hard for what is, in effect, a free speech issue.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Nov 24, 09 10:56 AM
This is a park. People hang out in parks. So if the Town buys a farm, it can't be farmed? And if a pond is purchased, I can't take a kayak on it? An historical house purchased, we just let it rot? CPF can also be used for "recreational purposes." I hang out in parks...I sit, eat, walk my dog. That's what you do in a park -not leave it vacant to gather garbage. There should be a driveway into this place, a parking area, bathrooms and benches. FOR EVERYONE.
By Ms. Jane Q. Public (147), Southampton on Nov 24, 09 11:18 AM
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however, it is a stretch to call a hiring site "recreation". This is not a use that was contemplated when the voters of the town supported the CPF program.
By sunshine (47), southampton on Nov 24, 09 7:12 PM
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. Open up the floodgates and let them pour in. Hundreds of foreign nationals who came into this country illegally to take jobs from American citizens who are already laid off and looking for work. They won’t have to pay income taxes or for their medical care. Our taxes will pay for that. They’ll all be milling around in the park our taxes paid for, waiting to be picked up by the greedy contractors who won’t take out income taxes, don’t pay for worker’s compensation, and ...more
By darwin (47), southampton on Nov 24, 09 11:44 AM
By Southampton (15), southampton on Nov 25, 09 12:31 PM
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If you think that none of these laborers have green cards or taxpayer ID's then I suggest you have no idea what you are talking about. Just because it is in your head, does not make it true.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 26, 09 11:49 AM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Southampton (15), southampton on Nov 27, 09 9:29 AM
Jane Q and Dagdavid and others of like mind:
... Are you guys living in a parallel universe? Do you have ANY idea of the ramifications of this "cute little park", being used as a hiring place for ILLEGALS???? Not to mention the rising crime rates, which is happening in other towns who have hiring halls, or areas. What part do you not get? How 'bout a hiring place for LEGAL immigrants...better yet, a place for TAX PAYING RESIDENTS!????
I am extremely disappointed and sickened by this ...more
By Jan (25), Hampton Bays on Nov 24, 09 12:38 PM
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we are all God's children
By local (106), north sea on Nov 24, 09 7:14 PM
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we are all Darwin's children
By MaryMac (43), Riverhead on Nov 25, 09 9:21 AM
this is a land use issue. the homeowners are not against a park. a hiring site is not a park.
By jlc52 (7), White Plains on Nov 24, 09 12:46 PM
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Anyone is free to use that park, legal or "illegal". The same goes with any public park. To prohibit anyone to assemble in a park is a violation of their constitutional rights. If you are in this country, you are protected by the constitution no matter your legal status. If you have a problem with current immigration law, write congress - it is a federal issue and not within the jurisdiction of local government.

Yes, this is a land use issue and the judge has ruled that because it ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Nov 24, 09 2:04 PM
Our constitution protects your rights regardless of your legal status.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Nov 24, 09 3:04 PM
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I am sorry, but you are incorrect. The constitution only references citizenship in regards to voting. In fact, undocumented residents have successfully sued for violations of civil rights guaranteed by the constitution and these cases have been upheld by superior courts.

To accuse these people of urinating and defecating in public is an abhorrent attempt to dehumanize them instead of dealing with the core issues which are, as I have stated, federal issues not local.

I will not ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Nov 24, 09 7:05 PM
I guess it would be ok to take pictures of all the trucks (make sure to get their plates) and maybe invite ICE into the little park. Maybe they can have a lemonade stand or something.
By darwin (47), southampton on Nov 24, 09 2:29 PM
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By Southampton (15), southampton on Nov 25, 09 12:35 PM
What sickens me is folks who assume everyone is illegal. Is that like the "guilty until proven innocent" theory? Gee, I was hanging out at 7-11 the other day - guess that makes me illegal, too, huh? Wow - what small minds we have. I amend my prior post - darwin is right, we also need a food concession stand. Maybe some of you "residents" who think it's beneath you to mow a lawn or wash a dish can run it. Oh, and by the way, Jan, "residents" already have a hiring hall - it's called unemployment ...more
By Ms. Jane Q. Public (147), Southampton on Nov 24, 09 3:48 PM
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You are, of course, correct Jane Q. Not everyone at 7-11 is "illegal". As a matter of fact, many of them are not citizens but still carry tax payer ID cards because they know if they want to become citizens one day, they have to pay taxes.

What angers me most is the very same people that want to blame everything on immigrants are the same people who stand up for corporate America and big business who are robbing them blind every day. You cannot talk to these people about immigration, ...more
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Nov 24, 09 4:51 PM
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I did not say visas I said "Tax payer ID's" You are filled with such vile hate and prejudice, INS. To refer to humans as "these people" and to try and generalize all of them as thieves and forgers is really disgusting and NOT what this country is about. I notice you like to talk about the constitution, but do you have any idea of the real principals upon which this country was founded? You don't know what it means to be an American. Undocumented workers contribute more than they cost. That ...more
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Nov 24, 09 7:26 PM
Each and every day your own government sides with big business over your interests. Each and every day another insurance company or corporation tries to take advantage of you and a lobbyist buys another congressperson, but you prefer to blame those least able to defend themselves because you lack the courage to take on bigger issues. Same thing has been done throughout history by so you should not feel alone.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 25, 09 9:32 AM
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Coming soon to your neighborhood - Farmingville - with all its glory! Gee, is that what you all want? Just so you have cheap labor?
By darwin (47), southampton on Nov 24, 09 4:10 PM
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Bring the piping plovers to the park then maybe ICE will take notice.
By kpjc (161), east quogue on Nov 24, 09 8:06 PM
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ICE may not go after the undocumented workers, but they would surely investigate the employers paying unreported wages and not paying thier share of employment taxes.
By kpjc (161), east quogue on Nov 24, 09 8:26 PM
Hey INS what are you trying to say that "you mow your own lawn"? Who cares if you do. Are you trying to say that only illegals do lawns? How about there alot of american citizens that own landscaping companies and pay taxes and hire legal citizens for work. So don't be like that. Who cares if you do your own lawn stop talking down.
By poools81 (10), hampton bays on Nov 24, 09 8:27 PM
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INS, please stop accusing people of lying or misrepresenting the facts. The following is from a wonderful article in NewsDay. You could learn much by reading it.

"immigrants are crucial to the New York economy. First-generation immigrants - documented and undocumented combined - are responsible for 22 percent of the gross domestic product in New York State, slightly higher than their 21 percent share of the state population.

Let’s get real about addressing the issues, rather ...more
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Nov 25, 09 10:36 AM
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Stop hating and degrading people by the whole becasue there are a couple bad apples. There are these kind of people in all types of endeavors. You shouldn't talk down to people. Ever hear of white collar crimes haha.
By poools81 (10), hampton bays on Nov 24, 09 10:38 PM
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If you really want to get you blood boiling , just hang out at any western union and watch how much money leaves this country on a daily basis .
By AndersEn (174), Southampton on Nov 24, 09 11:35 PM
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What I find disturbing is the last paragraph in the article.

A NYC Firm (Not Long Island or Southampton) acted on the behalf of "Two unnamed day laborers" to have the ruling overturned. Whether these laborers are legal or not is not disclosed.

Is it just me or is anyone else wondering about the identities of these day laborers? Moreover, can some legal firm from out of town acting on behalf of two anonymous people have more legal clout than local homeowners who pay high property ...more
By elliot (254), sag harbor on Nov 24, 09 11:44 PM
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This is a land use issue that everyone is trying to turn into an immigration issue. Resolve the land use issue first then move onto the immigration issue.
For reasons unknown to me in East Hampton the day laborers assemble at the RR station. Does East Hampton have a way of doing something that Southampton does not? Our station has a covered roof and the Village can place porta potties there while the govt works on the greater immigration issue and sealing our porous borders. Until they resolve ...more
By North Sea Citizen (568), North Sea on Nov 25, 09 6:41 AM
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When was the last time that one of these day laborers attacked someone at the 7-11? Why is it not safe for your daughter to go there? You of course have every right to try and protect her, but do not invent a danger that does not exist.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Nov 25, 09 10:43 AM
Let's make the park a bus stop. Rent out a Hampton Jitney fill it up with all those foreign nationals and bus them right out of here. They have rights all right. They have the right to get on a bus and go back to their own country. They don't have the right to steal ours. What about our rights? What about our right to not have 1/3 of Mexico overrun our neighborhoods and steal our jobs and suck the life out of our taxpayers.
By darwin (47), southampton on Nov 25, 09 10:29 AM
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Where do some of you get the energy to fuel such hatred and ignorance. I am constantly astounded by this race to the bottom. You have a right to believe and feel a certain way but how about doing something positive to help instead of spouting such vile and ignorant nonsense. And at the holiday season no less? If you are miserable go out and find a way to turn your life around instead of trying to place the blame on someone else.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Nov 25, 09 10:41 AM
All of the posts reflect valid sentiments. Whether or not you agree with them is, of course, everyone's personal choice.

That being said, I want to point out two things:

1.) We are obviously not going to solve this complex issue on an internet forum.

I would hope that the comments at least reflect some kind of sober, constructive exchange about the issues rather than simply venting personal emotions- valid though they may be.

2.) The COMPELLING ISSUE in this ...more
By elliot (254), sag harbor on Nov 25, 09 11:03 AM
This is a pure 1st Amendment question, as others have noted. Denying rights to one class sets the precedent for denying them to all.

The influx of illegal Hispanics is wholly the fault of the federal government. It could be ended completely if enough money and manpower were applied. The face is that the Republicans won't because their constituency, "loves those hardworking, cheap Mexicans", to quote one Republican Congressman, and the Democrats are afraid of alienating Hispanic voters. ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 25, 09 11:20 AM
Well said.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Nov 25, 09 11:47 AM
For those interested in the constitutional side of the rights of aliens who are in our community:

By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Nov 25, 09 2:21 PM
Because this issue is so EMOTIONALLY charged, people have a very difficult time being clear-headed about this. Pro-illegal alien supporters come up with all sorts of arguments that have nothing to do with the main point. It's not about hatred for immigrants, reviling and treating anyone badly, or Corporate America, or the banks, for that matter. It is simply the fact that it is against the law to illegally come into this or ANY country in the world. Unless that fact is agreed upon first, there ...more
By Jan (25), Hampton Bays on Nov 25, 09 3:46 PM
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When I said that Hispanics are doing the same thing that our ancestors did, I referred to immigrating for economic reasons. Some immigrants arrived because of persecution, but the vast majority came here to take advantage of the relatively highly-paid work available.

Frankly, I don't know if my ancestors were legal or illegal. It's been that long.

Since I esteem familial ties over national ones, the fact that Hispanics wire a lot of their earnings home is laudable ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 25, 09 4:37 PM
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The only answer to undocumented workers-- is to document them--- This way we know they are here, they pay their fair share of taxes and employers pay their fair share of payroll taxes. Don' t give them SS#'s but give them working papers renewable every 5 years. Make these people pay their way. If they are needed then bring them into the system.
By kpjc (161), east quogue on Nov 25, 09 4:57 PM
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High Hat...you're right. .."none of this will happen because the political will to do it is absent in Congress," and with the rest of those who refuse to see the facts as they are...simply and clearly.
By Jan (25), Hampton Bays on Nov 25, 09 5:07 PM
Once again, not a single person this forum has addressed the specific issue in the article.

The issue is this...."LATINO JUSTICE". (that's the name of the NYC advocacy group)

If any of you had even bothered to read the article before you had gotten onto your self-important soap boxes to espouse either your a.) venom or b.) brilliant socio-political manifestos, you would have noticed that Latino Justice has just scored a cork-popping legal victory over the big, bad homeowners ...more
By elliot (254), sag harbor on Nov 25, 09 5:50 PM
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Thank you.
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 25, 09 6:44 PM
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 25, 09 6:47 PM
I say go after the people who hire illegals and publish names , go after them for taxes due . Those that are illegal are only doing what we would do if we were them . This country is in a tailspin and we are inviting them to come here and replace the American worker . I've heard it time and again that they are here to do menial labor and fill a need . Meanwhile I have friends that are in construction that cannot find work . There's plenty of construction going on and most of these sites are occupied ...more
By AndersEn (174), Southampton on Nov 25, 09 6:02 PM
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To elliot:I

I googled "Latino Justice, Hamptons", and searched it in this publication and I still don't know what you are talking about. Why not just state it plainly?
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 25, 09 8:21 PM
"Latino Justice" is a very powerful legal advocacy firm located in New York City.

According to their website they are making quite a name for themselves in legal circles.

Again, what concerns me so deeply is how an out-of -county legal firm can represent two "anonymous" defendants to successfully overturn a Suffolk Supreme court ruling which initiallydefended the rights of Southampton property owners. (temporary though it may be)
By elliot (254), sag harbor on Nov 25, 09 8:36 PM
The plaintifs (not the defendants) are allowed to remain anonymous to protect themselves from right-wing zealots like the minute men. Anyone can be represented by a lawyer from out of county and the folks who represented this 1st amendment case did so pro bono. Where is the conspiracy? There is not one and, again, as many here have already said, this is a first amendment issue, NOT an immigration issue.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 26, 09 11:47 AM

Hire American and keep the money here !

Lets start by buying American (GOOD QUALITY OF COURSE NOT JUNK OR DISPOSABLE) made products, stop buying products that come from China, India etc.

Lets create jobs HERE!!!!!!!
By Bel (86), southampton on Nov 25, 09 9:50 PM
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Sure, I'm glad my taxes have gone to preserve open space!! Using Aldrich as a taxpayer supported crime scene is rediculous. If this scam is to be foisted on us how about a couple of rules, HMMMM?
1-All workers MUST show legal documentation including a valid SS# checkable by using CARDCHECK!
2- All employers MUST show proof of workman's comp insurance.
3-All employers must pay by check with the proper witholdings taken out and documented.

ICE should set up a checkpoint at the ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 26, 09 6:23 AM
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I Concur. We are a country of Laws, lets uphold them.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Nov 26, 09 9:50 AM
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That's right. So why are you against upholding a first amendment decision made by the appellate court. Again, this has nothing to do with immigration. You want to change immigration policy, petition the federal government as it is not a local issue.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 26, 09 11:53 AM
I'm not dismissing the appellate court decision. Nor am I racist. If there is hiring going on, work is being done. When I get my paycheck, there is a substantial amount taken out by the feds & state, not to mention what is added by my employer.. Why should I be taxed, when there is not going to be any tax taken away from people hired at a "hiring hall" . On land that my taxes purchased? I care not whether the people being hired are Caucasian, Hispanic or Oriental, just lets be fair to law abiding ...more
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Nov 26, 09 2:08 PM
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We can all argue about their rights and our rights and how we do not want them around till we die but their is a bigger picture here.
Have any of you tried to find a rental or buy a house to find you lost out on it because 20 non US Citizens were renting it.
Have any of you responded with your local Fire Department or Ambulance to one of these houses to a reported emergency. Adults are running away and hiding in the bushes, they leave 5 year old children alone in the house.
IF YOUR ...more
By MACK (50), Southampton on Nov 27, 09 10:15 AM
Have any of you gone to the emergency room lately?
its a great feeling when you pay taxes, work your ass off, and pay high medical coverage prices only to go to the hospital and wait for hours to be helped. Then some one who will not even speak English walks in does not answer even a quarter of the questions you had to and gets seen right away.
YES I did say "will not speak English". I have found many of these people do speak English when they want to get payed or their life is in danger, ...more
By MACK (50), Southampton on Nov 27, 09 10:23 AM
You are attempting to paint an entire group of people with one brush based on once incident - that is the definition of racism. You and faceless are prime examples of an ignorant and fearful right-wing that accuses of others of socialism while embracing the worst kind of fascist fear-mongering and hate.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 27, 09 12:01 PM
I would put them in my house long before I'd let someone like you darken my door.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 27, 09 6:11 PM
Can't we all just get along?
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Nov 27, 09 6:45 PM
That " darken my door " is border line inappropriate.
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 27, 09 7:01 PM
Excuse me?
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 28, 09 10:25 AM
The inappropriateness of comments by INS and Faceless and others of their ilk is beyond rational belief. These boards have become a haven for posters like this to spew hate and incite violence which is, I am sure, not the intent of the Paper.

Mr. Shaw, please consider making people provide real names, just as they must when writing an editorial, and I am sure you will see a much more civilized, productive debate as many would not dare put a face to such vile comments. I will happily ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 28, 09 10:33 AM
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Your and faceless are speaking about these workers in vile, racist terms. You take isolated incidents and then use those incidents to indict an entire group of people which only encourages those like yourself who are already inclined to hate. That is an incitement to violence. To actually have the gall to defend someone's use of Stalin and then express your desire to use it yourself - that says enough about who you are.

I do not expect someone so blinded by hate, fear, and bigotry to ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 28, 09 10:45 PM
Today must be a good day, cause I got to read your comment before they pulled it ---- for what ever reasons they can drag up for doing it.
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 29, 09 12:49 PM
If the Town and/or the Village go ahead with the hiring hall plan, are they not facilitaing the comission of a crime, ie. tax evasion? They will be providing a place where employers and employees circumvent the law by working off the books and without workman's comp insurance.With the financial problems facing the Town at this time why would they consider digging the hole deeper by engaging in a blatant illegal enterprise, with OUR TAX DOLLARS??!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 28, 09 7:26 PM
My point exactly, Bigfresh.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Nov 29, 09 5:07 PM
INS --- on 11-28-09 2:23 AM were you a duplicate or just inappropriate ?
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 29, 09 12:54 PM
While I do not believe that any local government should become involved in sponsoring a day-labor site, I do wish that the local police would make the men standing all over the roadway use the park to gather in. North Sea Road is disgusting.
By K Aventi (33), Southampton on Nov 29, 09 7:33 PM
This makes for real interesting reading. I really like the comments of people not using their real names to inform Mr. Shaw to insist that real names are used. You can't make this stuff up. As far as Aldrich Park and the constitution... well its just to bad that it took so long to be played out in the court system. A big kudos to all those who worked tirelessly to bring the truth out. So lets take down the tape and get those guys behind the hedges and off the street where its SAFE for everyone regardless ...more
By Bob Schepps (77), Southampton on Nov 29, 09 7:55 PM
Amazing...the truth is out all right! It took Soros and his Hunchmen to fight against middle class WORKING AMERICANS! and if anyone reading anyof these comments do not believe that than they are fooling themselves! The Hamptons for generations have been hiring workers from other countries due to the influx of people vacationing here....keep the illegals here standing infront of or behind the bushes(by the way...Why do we need bushes???think of that one!) and our whole economy will go right down...just ...more
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Dec 1, 09 6:37 AM
Thank you Bob for being one of the few calm, rational, voices of reason. Maybe you can you go over to the article about the lady who took the pictures outside Gabreski (Nancy Genovese) and inject some calmness over there also. It's many of the same people who post here, but with opposing views of how constitutional law should be applied than what they argue here.
I don't mind the anonymous postings on this site, I think it makes the argument so much more interesting and fun! It allows people ...more
By hamptons2009 (12), westhampton on Nov 29, 09 8:50 PM
Such a lot of emotion on this topic.

If so many "American citizens" are interested in the jobs being "taken" from them, why aren't they standing on the corner looking for them alongside the day laborers? Sorry, but that's where the "day" jobs are found. They must not want such work badly enough to actually stand on the corner and look for it.

The status quo exists for reasons that have little to do with green cards, or hatred, or bigoted thinking, for that matter.

All ...more
By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Nov 30, 09 5:51 AM
Amearican citizens find jobs/work -careers through "applying for them"....they use their social security cards to then pay for taxes to be taken out and for hopfully help them in later years when they can no longer work.
And thus there is emotion on this topic because the American citizens are being lied to on many levels as well as being stollen from and at the same time being swindled to make them feel they are heartless not taking care of the poor...(which is unfair when they are taking care ...more
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Dec 1, 09 6:54 AM
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I know what you mean & fully agree . Wonder what the different countries in central america get in foreign aid, maybe we are not giving them enough
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Dec 1, 09 5:21 PM
Apparently American citizens ARE joining the day laborer ranks, this news article was online just today.

By hamptons2009 (12), westhampton on Nov 30, 09 7:19 AM
What part of ILLEGAL is so difficult to comprehend? By either entering our nation illegally or overstaying a visa the perp has comitted an illegal act. Political correctness has no place in this conversation, we should call these people what they are(criminals) and treat them as such. While I am sensitive to the plight of third world citizens, it is not our responsibility to employ them to the detriment of those here legally.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Nov 30, 09 3:02 PM