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Dec 22, 2009 3:06 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Shinnecock Indian Nation wins preliminary federal recognition

Dec 22, 2009 3:06 PM

The Shinnecock Indian Nation received a preliminary ruling granting federal recognition to the indigenous East End tribe on Tuesday afternoon.

A community meeting for members of the tribe was held at 4 p.m., when word of the decision was announced by tribal leaders, who received a phone call from the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs, a division of the Department of the Interior.

The preliminary ruling brings the Nation a step closer to ending a process that began in the 1970s, according to U.S. Representative Tim Bishop. In May, a federal court mandated that the BIA issue a proposed finding on the status of the tribe by December 15, 2009, which would be followed by a comment period and an official determination by June 2010.

Mr. Bishop said federal recognition would make the tribe eligible for funding that would aid health care, housing and child care costs, among other things. Federal recognition is also the first step in the ability to engage in Class II gaming, which the tribe has expressed interest in since at least 2003, he said.

“But what it really is to the Shinnecock people, and I agree with this, is a long-sought and I think well-deserved validation of their heritage and their existence as a tribe,” Mr. Bishop said.

All privileges are dependent on a final ruling, he said, and this week’s ruling is just a step toward that. He said the comment period is open to all parties, so if the BIA later rules against the tribe’s recognition, the tribe will be able to object, and if it rules in favor of recognition, outside parties would be able to file objections.

Mr. Bishop said the tribe’s application dates back to 1976 but was incomplete and unattended for years until the process was reopened around 2001. He said the process is typically a long one, but that this case has been especially lengthy. The tribe claimed in a 2006 lawsuit against the BIA that its application was unfairly treated. Within the last six years, the tribe has also been involved in several other lawsuits that claim it was wrongly removed from federal lists of recognized tribes compiled in the 1940s.

If the preliminary ruling is followed by another favorable ruling after the comment period, the Shinnecock Indian Nation would be immediately eligible for benefits, but that would only be the first step to opening a gaming facility, Mr. Bishop said. “The gaming process itself is a three-step process,” he said. The first step is federal recognition; after that, the tribe would have to identify the land they want to use to open a facility and once again apply to the BIA to take that land into trust. The third step, which he said can run concurrently with the application to the BIA, is to enter into discussions with the governor and State Legislature to outline the terms and conditions of what could take place in the facility, and what the state would share in terms of tax revenue.

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Congratulations to all the Shinnecocks. This is a banner day!! When I see how the Morango Indians contribute to the schools and communities in Southern California, I know that this will be a win win situation for all. It was a long hard fight but perseverance paid off. God Bless
By bayview (160), Southampton on Dec 15, 09 5:05 PM
Are you deranged? "Benefits?" Their primary issue is the gaming one, and with a casino comes CRIME! Take a look at Atlantic City. and northern Connecticut!

This will be a disaster for Southampton Town!
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 15, 09 5:09 PM
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It is about a whole lot more than gaming, and I sincerely hope you realize that. The media will focus on the gaming issue because it is the most contentious - and is the most recognizable to the general public.
By LJ (9), out east on Dec 15, 09 5:47 PM
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Yea, thats great I hope they can get a casino up and running so I can buy my crack and gamble all in one spot! I love America!
By woodhound (2), Shoreham on Dec 15, 09 10:27 PM
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killing, not murder......
By East End Guy (21), Southampton on Dec 16, 09 9:24 AM
Yes, Frank, everyone else is deranged and you are the one voice of sanity in a world gone made. Why are you trying to equate the Shinnecock's recognition as a tribe with crime?
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Dec 16, 09 3:48 PM
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While access to the health and welfare benefits is a plus, this is the single most destructive action to our bucolic way of life that could come to the East End and Southampton. Make no mistake about it: since the late 1990s the tribe has been on a legal and political path to make casino gaming a reality in Hampton Bays. That is what their quest for Federal recognition has been all about.

As a Federal tribe, they will have a "free zone" to do as they please -- erect a huge monstrosity ...more
By JimmyKBond (156), Hampton Bays on Dec 21, 09 3:22 PM
Actually it's about money, not gaming. If this was not a profitable enterprise, the Shinnecock nation would not be interested in it...and that's the truth. I am all for having this casino on the Reservation or in Hampton Bays, but I won't stand for this thing where I live. Are you writing from the RES? It sure sounds like it since you refuse to acknowledge any negatives associated with gambling...traffic congestion, crime, degradation of the neighborhoods surrounding the casino, increased police ...more
By Tommy27 (8), Baiting Hollow on Jul 12, 10 4:37 PM
Gambling is such a disgusting vice and habit; kinda like smoking cigarettes (another tribal biz), Can't blame them for wanting to open a gambling casino, tons of money to be made from losers, but not in my backyard! They can build it on the Southampton reservation, but they'd have to destroy all their property to do so and put up hotels etc. and they'd have to move their residences. Then some tribal members would say "Not in my backyard!"
By Non-Political (125), Hampton Bays on Dec 15, 09 5:11 PM
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I wish the Shinnecock tribe the very best on any endeavors.PEACE TO YOU ALL AND YOUR LOVED ONES
By KenBrownEagle (6), Southampton on Dec 15, 09 5:21 PM
I also congratulate the Shinnecock Tribe on this very important first step to being treated fairly. Fact of the matter is, that there was no way that the Shinnecocks could NOT gain federal recognition when dealing with the facts and the enormous documentation they have to support their case. The politicians who publicly lynched the Shinnecocks did so out of a sense that the "ends justifieid the means."

We can argue all day about the merits and the evils of casion gambling. I have serious ...more
By Integrity Party Guy (26), Riverhead on Dec 15, 09 5:42 PM
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Long overdue-hope to see Southampton become Las Vegas East
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Dec 15, 09 5:46 PM
The ignorance here is astounding. Please tell me that at least some of you know how much more there is to this than GAMING.
By LJ (9), out east on Dec 15, 09 5:49 PM
If you're so all-knowing, then perhaps you should mentions some facts instead of just pontificating from the superior vantage point you display in your posts...really, I'm all ears, as they say, to find out how much more there is to this than GAMING...like I said before, it's not GAMING, but MONEY. When you want to find motivation for many things life, just follow the money...
By Tommy27 (8), Baiting Hollow on Jul 12, 10 4:45 PM
always had thought there should be an intertribal soccer league - soccer has a comparatively low injury rate, costs little for uniforms and equipment and doesn't favor specific body sizes as basketball or football.
Tried once with a tribe in Arizona, but they wanted a trailer as additional class room and computers which they got indirectly thanks to Father Kino.
By archimedes (1), Sag Harbor on Dec 15, 09 5:54 PM
As soon as recognition is official, the Shinnecocks will have a huge economic chip to play with. Expect Shinnecock leaders to be driving around in luxury SUVs courtesy of the "friends of the Shinnecocks".

It may be that recognition is more important to the Shinnecocks than the mere establishment of their right to open casinos but for the neighbors of the Shinnecocks, that establishment will be life altering.

There may be Shinnecocks who are opposed to opening casinos but they ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 15, 09 6:10 PM
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If things were on the level, NY State would run into an equal protection problem, a reverse discrimination problem if it only lets the Indians gamble.

The federal statute that regulates Indian gaming does not require states to permit it if it is not otherwise permitted in the state. See Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA).

If the monopoly on gaming is gone, boy does that reduce the value of such a casino. But, then the question is whether things are on the level.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 16, 09 8:50 AM
Multimillion dollar checks to the tribe by mega gaming companies will bring any of the reluctant (if there actually are any) Shinnecock families four square behind the casino. Anyone here who is lauding it -- does not understand that for the outside East End community -- the only impact is gambling and its destructive forces on the East End.
By JimmyKBond (156), Hampton Bays on Dec 21, 09 3:29 PM
Congratulations to the Shinnecocks. For all you ignorant, anti-casino neighbors; Please research the Oneida Indian Nation's Casino in Verona, NY. I grew up near there when they received the go ahead to build a casino. That was over 16 years ago and guess what? No crime, no bums, no prostitutes, no trash. The amount of money they have given back to the community and the thousands, yes thousands, of jobs, it is the areas saving grace.

Turning Stone Casino, look it up and educate yourself ...more
By EastEndEagle (4), manorville on Dec 15, 09 6:21 PM
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Or you can scroll up on this page and read the second story in the "Related Articles" section....Read them all in fact!
By Michael Wright (25), Southampton on Dec 17, 09 4:04 PM
And Atlantic City, Southern Connecticut ... ask those civic and neighborhood leaders what an economic, traffic and crime entanglement it has been on their communities ...!
By JimmyKBond (156), Hampton Bays on Dec 21, 09 3:33 PM
As I understand it, the gaming land can be anywhere - it doesn't have to be on the reservation or even in SH Town (or NY).

East End traffic is already a nightmare, even in winter. Why would the Shinnecock want to put their casino in a place that's difficult to get to and where the locals are intensely opposed to it? Spite might be one reason, and access to casino jobs might be another. But I suspect that (1) spite takes a back seat to wanting to put the casino where it will be most ...more
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Dec 15, 09 6:32 PM
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Where would you direct all the traffic?

Newtown Rd.?

Would the neighbors be happy about that?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 16, 09 11:33 AM
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Drugs! Drugs! Drugs. Crime Crime Crime. How many true Indians live here. Are they 10th generation?
By LongIslander (43), HAMPTON BAYS on Dec 15, 09 7:31 PM
Jealous? Can't beat em...JOIN EM!
By hamptoniteforlife (15), WHB on Dec 16, 09 11:05 AM
i am from the shinnecock nation, my ancestor ties go way back before most of the negative people with such racist comments thought about comming to long island. all you here is are there any true indians on the rez or what percentage are they. native americans are what we liked to be called . you cant change people like (wood hound ) an other people with ignorant views ( but only try to educate them) . listen to what he said so he can buy his crack and gamble at the same time too. Iam proud to ...more
By rezdog70 (5), southampton on Dec 20, 09 11:50 AM
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And NOT one comment here involves people being racist against the Shinnecocks, so such a suggestion is way off base ... disagreeing with the plan to put a casino and all its negatives in our backyard is the issue -- not the wonderful families that live on the reservation!
By JimmyKBond (156), Hampton Bays on Dec 21, 09 3:37 PM
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What does race have to do with having a crappy Casino in your backyard? Perhaps you like to use the race card, but you can get so much mileage out of it, but race has nothing to do with this...I didn't move here from NYC to get a blasted Casino in my backyard...PLEASE, PUT IT ON THE REZ, IN YOUR BACKYARD! Perhaps you are the racist for expecting everyone to make an exception because of your race...Racism works both ways, you know!
By Tommy27 (8), Baiting Hollow on Jul 12, 10 4:52 PM
This will be a disaster for the east end. The Shinnecocks themselves will not make the "BIG" money, The "businessmen" who build and operate will make the hugh incomes.

The idea that there is a casino without "sex workers" anywhere In this US of A is....unrealistic and incorrect. The idea that these "workers" won't have "managers" is additionally unreqalistic. That's "crime" by any definition.

Yes , money will flow in to a few , disproportionally more will flow out.
By Lost Tribe (66), East Hampton on Dec 15, 09 7:48 PM
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We already have legalized prostitution, they're called lobbyists
By EastEndEagle (4), manorville on Dec 16, 09 4:34 PM
To CoweeDewey:

I remember a previous Southampton Press article where the possibility of the Shinnecock casinos being located further west on the island was mentioned, but I assumed that that was other tribal lands. I believe that there is some, for example, in Moriches where a tax-free tribal cigarette store is located.

Tribal legal exceptions are granted, as I understand, because they are nations with which the US has made treaties, rather than common citizens. Ergo, they are ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 15, 09 7:57 PM
It's wonderful that they can be recognized the way other tribes are.. but I really hpoe they don't abuse it. Native Americans who are willing to be a part of such an atrocity are a prime example of the biggest hypocrites in existance. The East End just isn't designed to handle something like that, and If they have the same respect for this land that their ancestors did, they will not even consider building something as horridly cheesy as a casino. I pray they accept this official distinction and ...more
By RubyBaby (28), East Hampton on Dec 15, 09 8:36 PM
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Actually, I don't find casinos or big homes cheesy. What's cheesy are storage containers, trailers, and shacks lined up along Montauk Highway selling cigarettes. I wish the Shinnecocks had taken a cue from their upstate brethren and built a gas station or two. A lot more peole would be interested in tax free gasoline than cigarettes.
By VOS (1241), WHB on Dec 15, 09 9:02 PM
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Absolutely! I would rather have the mansion than a bunch of 10% at best so called indians claiming something that clearly is not due them. They should not look a gift horse in the mouth! I would be appaled at the way they represent Indian culture. What gold teeth, rap music, and drug dealing thugs!? If they even slightly acted in an honorable way, then I could see celebrating this preliminary decision. But alas, been there lately? A nation is a nation when there is order and compliance, ask a member ...more
By woodhound (2), Shoreham on Dec 15, 09 10:41 PM
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I should be used to the ignorant comments left on this site, BUT....

"been there lately?" Why yes I have, I live here. When is the last time you were here? You should take a visit to the Shinnecock Museum....an education might do you some good.

"Ask a member of the Apache Nation" Sure, there are few people here who are also Apache. We could also ask our Apache friends who attend the Shinnecock Pow Wow each year. Or I could call up one of my best girl friends who is Apache who happened ...more
By LMVT (56), Hampton Bays on Dec 16, 09 3:37 PM
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The property in Hampton Bays is wrong for a casino for so many reasons and recognition of the tribe will not, in itself, cause that property to become "reservation land" eligible to be developed on that manner as the Shinnecocks have not had continuous possession of that land.

The property is also way too small to be appropriately deveoped into a first class casino/hotel/entertainment center. On the other hand, the reservation itself is ten times the size of the Hampton Bays site and is ...more
By VOS (1241), WHB on Dec 15, 09 8:57 PM
In all the time a casino has been discussed I have never seen anything about purchased land being put in trust to bypass local land use regulations - do you have a reference?

And with the original Foxwoods property at 1200 acres and Mohegan Sun at 240 acres, 80 is awfully small to be a premier establishment. Golf not being needed might surprise those at Foxwoods where two 18 hole courses are in development. And with Shinnecock sovereignty, what entity would cause a marina to "never ...more
By VOS (1241), WHB on Dec 15, 09 10:46 PM
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Put that way, I do remember the procedure to locate a casino off tribal land, as I referred to Aqueduct but I think you take a huge leap thinking that would bypass local regulation.

With NYC 90 minutes away, a casino would most certainly be valuable as a complete destination. With a huge facility available why would anyone build it just for locals. Golf, entertainment, hotels, sporting events are a natural. There's plenty of money to be made half the distance from the Connecticut casinos ...more
By VOS (1241), WHB on Dec 16, 09 1:51 AM
Don't you remember the Shinnecocks began clearing the "proposed site" without town permission?
By JimmyKBond (156), Hampton Bays on Dec 21, 09 3:41 PM
I congratulate the Shinnecock tribe on the wonderful news. It is about much more than gambling. It is about finally recognizing and validating this tribal community. So many inside the reservation have worked for years to have the status designated by the federal government. It is long long overdue.
By Mainefriends (14), Bethel Maine on Dec 15, 09 10:22 PM
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INS ... speak for yourself on the golf course .
Congratulations to the Shinnecock Tribe .
By AndersEn (174), Southampton on Dec 15, 09 11:22 PM
Congrats to the ones who may have been here as long as 4000 years ago! Keep the ways of the Earth alive, as everything surrounding is based on material objects. It is a good day for original peoples : )
By year round (22), southampton on Dec 16, 09 12:52 AM
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Couldn't they build a data center on the reservation and run gaming servers?
By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Dec 16, 09 1:47 AM
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It seems to me gabreski airport is the most logical place to put a high quality gaming facility
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Dec 16, 09 2:36 AM
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Good dental hygiene is always important. Don't want to have any cavities.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 17, 09 8:59 AM
ins dont you ever sleep lol
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Dec 16, 09 3:47 AM
Why shouls Connecticut get $1.5 million a day in tax revenue when most of those dollars flow off of LI on the ferries? If the Shinnecocks start gaming and can flow even a third of that into our coffers our property taxes could be effectievly wiped out. In addition the tribe could become self suffiecient which seems to be there desire and Im sure that there will be enough pressure interneally for them to police themselves should something get out of hand. Besides all that its their right that they ...more
By North Sea Citizen (568), North Sea on Dec 16, 09 6:34 AM
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Congratulations to the Shinnecock Nation.

If anyone cares to read the article, they are looking for class II gaming. Bingo, pull tabs etc. Slots, Blackjack craps is Class III.

By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 16, 09 7:28 AM
This past September the Mashantucket Pequot Tribal Nation, owners Foxwoods, was hoping to restructure $2.3 billion in loans rather than default and trigger bankruptcy.

Who really benefits from casino gambling ?

The forever promise of something for nothing, when in fact what is being offered is nothing for something.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 16, 09 8:42 AM
I am so happy for the Shinnecocks! It has been a long struggle. Congratulations!
By rabbit (65), watermill on Dec 16, 09 9:06 AM
Forget gambling for a moment and congratulate the Shinnecock for this recognition of their status as a tribe. It is important to our shared heritage.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Dec 16, 09 9:12 AM
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Never mind that pink elephant in the room. Yes, congratulations to the Shinnecock Indians who, I am pretty sure, knew all along they were descended from native americans.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 16, 09 9:22 AM
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Congratulations to the Shinnecock Indian Nation. It has been a long time coming for your people. I am so very sorry to read the ignorant comments from people that have no clue on what they are talking about. Unfortunately, there will alway be negative people out here. They have no idea on what is going on with any type of negotiation in your settelment.

My family and friends in the Hampton's are truly happy for your victory and support you in your future endeavors.
By Chrissy (2), Southampton on Dec 16, 09 9:51 AM
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These negative comments are just too much. Unbelievable! It saddens me that the Shinnecock Indians, and all other tribes/Native Americans, even have to go through this process in the first place. Native Americans had to suffer the devastation of being removed from their sacred lands, cheated, killed, disgraced, TOTAL IDENTITY THEFT which included the taking of their language, being used and abused, lied to, and treated like animals. Some tribes don't even exist anymore and will never have the ...more
By unelana (29), North Wales on Dec 16, 09 10:04 AM
cry me a river. Many ethinic or religious groups have been persecuted, lied to, removed from their lands, abused, cheated, killed ect over the histrory of time. Everyone with half a brain knows why they spent all that money to get legal recongintion. Its all about the dollars. I think I have some indian blood in me. Maybe I can make a bundle on the casinos too
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Dec 16, 09 11:59 AM
As with the courts decision regarding Aldrich Park and now the Shinnecock Tribe its about time. What is left now is for our native American neighbors to decide who has been friend or foe in this whole process. As I recall years ago there was a Southampton supervisors race where one candidate saw fit put the others face on a jokers playing card for his position on negotiating in good faith with the Shinnecocks. I guess the town voters agreed and the candidate won the election. What is really ironic ...more
By Bob Schepps (77), Southampton on Dec 16, 09 11:02 AM
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I agree with the whole dumbing down the thread thing, and I just thought I'd mention that most already fear problems that DO, indeed exist.

Like drugs, and hookers, and "low lifes", bums, 'n' addicts, dealers, pimps, angry husbands, fearful wives, and even children, murderers, killers, etc., etc., etc. . Fear is, that given the present potential, there is risk of increase in malfeasant behavior. It may happen, it may not. I really couldn't imagine it becoming like some Mad Max kinda' ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 16, 09 11:18 AM
Yes, they have cigarette "shacks." Have you seen their pitiful homes? Because NYS has recognized them as a tribe, but the federal government had not, they could not obtain mortgage financing to build residential or commercial structures since no lender could foreclose on reservation property in the event of a default. They do not qualify for education or health care assistance programs because of being in this limbo. While a casino might be a goal of the tribe, it is not the only one. It is ...more
By Remsenburger (11), Remsenburg on Dec 16, 09 11:24 AM
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We are living in year 2009 not 1875. Move on, assimilate everyone else has too
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Dec 16, 09 12:02 PM
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Razaa, you have a lot of competition, but you are truly the most vile, ignorant, adn clueless poster on these boards. Your hate for everyone from immigrants to the first Americans is stunning. "Assimilate"? Did Europeans "assimilate" to the lifestyle of Native Americans? You need to go read some history and find a shrink.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Dec 16, 09 1:59 PM
Thank you so much for your "on point" comment directed to Razaa re: assimilation.
By unelana (29), North Wales on Dec 16, 09 8:41 PM
More vitriole from peoplefirst.

SOME of the Shinnecocks complain that they have been unable to share in the bounty of this country, and now want their piece of the action. The complaint is that somehow they continue to be repressed even though they are admitted to public schools to be educated, and are permitted every other right of an American citizen. Some Shinnecocks want more than that. It doesn't hurt to ask. Nothing wrong with everyone else saying "No."

No casino
No ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 17, 09 8:56 AM
You need to read a history book. It shows that people (be it religion, race,ect) have been conquered, lands have been taken and people have been killed. It is not hate it is a sad fact.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Dec 18, 09 3:17 PM
I have a great idea, let the "Shinnecock Indians" move to some barren upstate area and open their casino. Long Island is so overbuilt and crowded now. No more developement. That casino will never be allowed here.
By rippedoffedtaxpayer (13), speonk on Dec 16, 09 11:34 AM
Congratulations to the Shinnecocks, our neighbors and friends. As to the location of the wished for casino, Gabreski airport and the Calverton site are in the Pine Barrens. Can they not destroy this precious environment teaming with wildlife? The developers we have now are chipping away at it piece by piece. Once it’s gone what will we have left? Can the Shinnecocks stand with us and preserve as much as possible? As for Westwoods, what a beautiful place! But if they put a casino there in ...more
By darwin (47), southampton on Dec 16, 09 12:12 PM
Why should the Shinnecock people have to "assimilate" or move to some barren upstate area? They have always been here as the east end of LI has always been their original territory. They live in a unigue community amongst family members. It's okay for the developers to mess up the land and over build on the east end? Anyway, I hope they take their endeavors elsewhere not because I do not want it here. Because, if and when they get Gaming the area will benefit from an infusion of tax dollors ...more
By Chrissy (2), Southampton on Dec 16, 09 1:09 PM
Wait, a minute. Attempting to get a monopoly on casino gambling is the greatest effort at assimilation ever. Taking money from fools is the American way.

I would be more than happy to allow any Shinnecock Indian the complete right to fish and hunt deer, yes pleas hunt the deer. No assimilation required.

As for granting them a monopoly on casino gambling why not give them a special concession to deal drugs.. Oh wait we do that with cigarettes.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 16, 09 6:17 PM
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The house you live on was most likely Shinicock land at one time. You should put your money where your mouth is and give it back to them
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Dec 18, 09 3:27 PM
I would happily go to this casino and take all their money in texas hold em. Bring it on.
By slamminsammy (104), East Moriches on Dec 16, 09 1:15 PM
I really don't understand people like Frank Wheeler and the stolen culture he promotes. Native American Indian tribes gave the most ultimate sacrifice for this Country, and even into this new millennium, they still continue to suffer from this investment into people who ascend from slave nation european lineages like Frank Wheeler. Europeans until 1776 were slaves of European kings, at least Indians nations like the Shinnecock were truly Free Men and Women of dignity.

If it was not for ...more
Dec 16, 09 2:32 PM appended by xatiannorthsea
Correction: "inevitably when [won] the revolt against the Crown"
By xatiannorthsea (16), southampton on Dec 16, 09 2:32 PM
xatiannorthsea: "I really don't understand people like Frank Wheeler and the stolen culture he promotes."

And for the life of me I cannot understand how reading-challenged people like xatiannorthsea are allowed near an internet connection!

What "stolen culture" have I promoted?

xatiannorthsea: "people who ascend from slave nation european lineages like Frank Wheeler."

My fore-bearers my have been "subjects" of a monarchy, but they certainly were not serfs or ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 16, 09 3:26 PM
You are linking Native Americans to crime in response to an article about them receiving long overdue recognition. Why? What is your point?
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Dec 16, 09 3:44 PM
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No, YOU are linking Native Americans to crime. I spoke to the issue of CASINOS and CRIME, not Native Americans. Re-read my original comment more objectively.

Then follow the links in my last Comment.

How many Native American's are involved in casinos in Atlantic City?
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 16, 09 4:57 PM
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Mr. Wheeler, This article is about native Americans being granted a hard fought victory for recognition and you chose this story to bring up the issue of crime. It is certainly no stretch to say that you are trying to equate the two.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Dec 16, 09 5:40 PM
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Mr. Wheeler did not link Native Americans to crime in his remarks. That link was only offered by xatiannorthsea, yearrounder and now you dagdavid.

Some people want to yell discrimination anytime someone disagrees with something they are doing, or want to do.

That strategy has been played to great effect by others, but it has been overused. Better think of something else.

By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 16, 09 11:14 PM
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Thank you for the unexpected support, Publius.

That said, I understand Dagdavid's point and plead nolo contendre to the charge that I immediately equated this next step in the Shinnecock People's long sought formal recognition as Native Americans with the issue of casino gaming and the attendant rise in crime.

I will strive to be clearer in the future.
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 17, 09 9:26 AM
The casino IS coming, without a doubt. The only question is WHERE. If the Shinnecocks think that it would be a despoliation of their tribal lands it will be located other than in Southampton.

That being said, the Town Council members can be expected to prostrate themselves before the Shinnecocks in their effort to keep the casino here. As bears are to honey, the Town Council is to money.

However, there are much more puissant players in this game now than the Town, both political ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 16, 09 3:44 PM
Frank Wheeler- the casino is some form or another is coming. Are you prepared to move? You think that the whole area will be so crime ridden you must have you house up for sale, no?

What will you do when it happens? Will you move? Will the crime be so intolerable that someone may even steal your home, your car or worse, your dog? You are part of the problem, not a the solution.

You come on here on a daily basis and tell everyone what is wrong with the world, yet offer ...more
By EastEndEagle (4), manorville on Dec 16, 09 4:22 PM
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Congratulations to the Shinnecock Nation! As far as a casino is concerned, I understand the Shinnecock's desire to provide a better life for their families, so I would hope a facility can be built that provides not only jobs and revenue for those who need it, but tries to preserve the natural history of our area. I have full faith in the Trustees & wish them all the best with regard to their next endeavor.
By Ms. Jane Q. Public (147), Southampton on Dec 16, 09 4:49 PM
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It is what it is. Frankly, I'm not too impressed with the development in the rest of the Town, so what the heck.

If at all possible, could the Shinnecock Nation erect some large outdoor spotlights on their casino (if there is to be one) and shine them towards the Town board members homes (except Nuzzi)

Frankly, it seems to me that a lot of you think that the Shinnecocks are somehow less intelligent or caring than the rest of us, or that their only concern is making money. The ...more
By diy_guy (101), Southampton on Dec 16, 09 6:00 PM
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Well said.
By LJ (9), out east on Dec 17, 09 10:06 AM
Long Island businesses have been on a steady decline for years. Many people have lost their jobs and have had to travel elsewhere and this seems like a viable solution to at least part of that problem. Does anyone remember who the land belonged to since the English settlers first arrived? I am very happy for the people of Shinnecock Nation. May they prosper at long last. I support them without hesitation.
By Dove (1), Kew Gardens on Dec 17, 09 7:42 AM
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The Shinnecock have the right to economic self-sufficiency in whatever area they choose. Without a plentiful natural resource like tribes of the Northwest Coast and others, tribes in the east often use gaming. Florida Seminoles receive a payout from FSU merchandise sales because that athletic program reappropriated Seminole identity and uses it for their mascot and moniker. The bottom line is, the tribe has the right to be economically self-sufficient.

How about the other truly beneficial ...more
By LJ (9), out east on Dec 17, 09 9:58 AM
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If placed at the Gabreski airport it could add an exciting winter destination for all of us "board out of our mind" full time residents. But it must be done the right way, Mohegan sun for example is a beautiful place to shop, Enjoy a top quality meal and maybe see a show. If you bet with you head and not over it the gambling is not a problem. Like everything else in life it just comes down to personal responsibility. I do believe West Woods is not the right location due to the residential displacement ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Dec 17, 09 11:17 AM
Gabreski Airport, eh? Then the county would be involved, and that's been an economic disaster for almost 40 years!

Plus, I suspect that the good burghers of Westhampton Beach would want to erect a Berlin-type wall on County Road 31 just north of the LIRR tracks!
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 17, 09 12:34 PM
Casino gambling has been a day one issue, at least with the member of the Pharoe Family I used to talk with at the health club's sauna. This, he was certain, could be controled by the tribe

As no tribe has been successful in this, why should this one be? .No, we'll get a Casino that benefits a few local people, many "investors", brings hookers, pimps, loan sharks, drunks, gambling addicts, card hustlers, frauds, thefts and assorted hustlers.

Star Island had a functioning Casino ...more
By Lost Tribe (66), East Hampton on Dec 17, 09 1:08 PM
Congratulations to the Shinnecocks. Recognition has been a long time coming, although it was a no brainer that they were entitled to it.

I doubt they want a casino on their own property. They are well aware of the disruption it would bring to the current peace and tranquility of the Reservation which they cherish. Westwoods is a possibility, but I think they would rather keep it for the future use of their children and grandchildren who will need land to live on eventually.

I ...more
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Dec 17, 09 5:02 PM
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Simple keep it out of the hamptons and who cares. There is just not enough space for all the increased traffic here. Somewhere up the island sounds good. Shuffle up and deal!!!
By poools81 (10), hampton bays on Dec 19, 09 7:23 AM
If the courts are consistent, the only place the casino can be located is on Shinnecock owned land. All of you people who are in favor of the Shinnecocks getting a casino should be happy that the casino will be in your back yard, making Montauk Highway a bottleneck just like watermill is in the summertime. Good luck with that!
By Walt (292), Southampton on Dec 19, 09 10:04 PM
Congrats to the Shinnecock Indians! No matter what decision is made about how theymove forward with a bingo hall/ casino or whatever...they well deserve to the recognition. Instead of wasting time writing negative remarks about their future...find a way to address the issues in a postive manner. Be productive in helping our town find a way to accommodate their needs to be addressed. To point at these people as the reasons why drugs problems are a part of our communities is wrong. Aren't these ...more
By BeachGal (72), Hampton Bays on Dec 20, 09 3:01 PM
I agree with BeachGal, there is plenty of blame to spread around regarding the drug culture in our community. I grew up in Southampton, and contrary to popular belief, the descendants of the pilgrims were more deeply involved in drug and alcohol abuse than the native Americans, or other minority groups. Of course since all you read about in the Press is about arrests on the "Hill" and the "Res" it would easy to assume that the drug trade is rampant in these sections of the community. What you don't ...more
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Dec 21, 09 2:11 PM
Congratulations to the Shinnecocks!
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Dec 21, 09 8:40 PM
By polito (14), wainscott on Dec 25, 09 8:29 AM
This is Yasmine L Williams. Shinnecock member and single mother of two wonderful boys. The Reservation is a beautiful place that gives us a sense of identity. My linage comes from a long list of Shinnecock Natives back to 1700s. Many marriages are inter-tribal to keep the blood lines thick. The blood lines many not be 100% but must are very thick. The individuals that are pushing for a casino have their own homes and business on tribal land and are money hungry. As for me and many others it’s about ...more
By me (6), southampton on Dec 28, 09 9:15 AM
you tell them cuz, no matter what we say or what we do we will always have people that are hateful or jeolous of our people or other native american tribes. thank you to all our supporters aaron ( rezdog )
By rezdog70 (5), southampton on Jan 4, 10 6:23 PM
Indian tribal folks need to stop acting like anybody owes them anything.

The same land all over the world has changed hands over and over and over throughout history...Ottomans, Persians, Romans, Greeks, Palestinians, Jews, Syrians, Taliban, Afghans etc etc have all controlled the same land at one point or another...nothing is yours but what you can defend.

Ever think about what would have happened to your land if Japan or Germany came strolling through long island with some tanks ...more
By Wallstguy (3), Quogue on Jan 5, 10 7:42 PM
To Yasmine L. Williams:

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon said it best, "Property is Theft". It is the assertion of right of ownership without any persuasive justification. Just as Native Americans asserted their right to possession in the face of claims of other Native Americans before the arrival of the Europeans, so the USA asserted it's right in confrontation to Native American claims.

That's what homo sapiens does, repeatedly. Steals other folks' stuff and then makes rules that are ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 29, 09 9:16 PM
happy new years to all our supporters and even the ones that appear to hate us .
By rezdog70 (5), southampton on Jan 4, 10 6:33 PM