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Apr 27, 2010 5:19 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Officials want to use Southampton Town's Community Preservation Fund to save Stony Brook Southampton

Apr 27, 2010 5:19 PM

SHINNECOCK HILLS—Local officials want to tap Southampton Town’s Community Preservation Fund to buy the development rights to Stony Brook Southampton’s Shinnecock Hills campus in order to keep it open and prevent any future development on the 81-acre property.

Representatives of Stony Brook University, who must agree to the sale for the plan to have legs, have not yet responded to the proposal, which was unveiled almost a week ago—on Thursday, April 22—at a press conference at the satellite campus. The State University of New York, which funds Stony Brook University and its satellite campus and owns the development rights, also must agree.

The proposal—the cost of which is still unknown, though the development rights to the land are expected to be worth millions—also seeks to make Stony Brook Southampton its own independent state college in two years time. It is now operated as a satellite campus of Stony Brook University.

New York State Assemblyman Fred W. Thiele Jr. of Sag Harbor introduced the plan at the press conference, about two weeks after Stony Brook University announced that it would shutter the dorms at the campus and relocate most of the academic programs at the end of the summer, citing cuts in state funding. University officials said their proposed cuts would save about $6.7 million a year, though that figure has been questioned by Mr. Thiele.

Mr. Thiele said he and other officials sent a letter to Stony Brook University President Dr. Samuel L. Stanley Jr. and SUNY Chancellor Nancy L. Zimpher on April 22 seeking a meeting to discuss the proposal and negotiate a price. New York State Senator Kenneth P. LaValle of Southampton, Southampton Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst, Suffolk County Legislator Jay Schneiderman of Montauk and members of the Southampton Town Board also signed the letter and spoke in support of the plan at the press conference.

As of Tuesday, Mr. Thiele said he had not yet received an official response from either Stony Brook or SUNY. Stony Brook University did not return calls and e-mails seeking comment this week.

But David Henahan, a SUNY spokesman, said that SUNY had received the letter, and was in the process of drafting a response in partnership with Stony Brook.

“Certainly, we’re happy to meet with the elected representatives of the people,” Mr. Henahan said, although he said he wasn’t sure when SUNY or Stony Brook University would respond to the proposal.

The Community Preservation Fund, or CPF, collects funds through a 2-percent tax on most real estate transfers and sets the money aside for land preservation. Under the plan, Southampton Town would tap its CPF to purchase the development rights to the Shinnecock Hills campus, though SUNY would still own the land itself. The deal would also include two major conditions: SUNY would have to put the money in a dedicated fund to be used solely for the operation of the campus as a four-year residential college for the next two years, and that, after that period, the campus would become its own SUNY school.

Officials at the press conference highlighted the scenic qualities of the campus and the historic structures that dot the landscape there. “This institution is nothing less than a jewel in this community,” Ms. Throne-Holst said.

The value of the land is currently unknown, and will need to be assessed, according to Mr. Thiele and Ms. Throne-Holst.

Southampton Town could offset the hit to its CPF—which now contains about $10 million, according to Ms. Throne-Holst—by selling the development rights as credits to developers who want permission to build higher density projects elsewhere, Mr. Thiele said.

“So it won’t be the taxpayers that have to pay to preserve this campus,” he said. “It will be other developers who come in the future who will be able to buy the development rights from the town for their projects in other parts of the town.”

In an interview following the press conference, Ms. Throne-Holst said the Town Board would probably issue a bond in order to buy the development rights to the campus, and pay back the bond over time using CPF revenue.

“I dare Stony Brook to get in the way of this,” she said.

Any such bond would require a super-majority of the five-member Town Board—or four votes—in order to pass. Ms. Throne-Holst and Town Board members Chris Nuzzi, Jim Malone and Bridget Fleming said they would support the plan at the press conference. Town Councilwoman Nancy Graboski is currently in Rome and did not attend the event, according to Mr. Thiele. Ms. Graboski was still away as of early this week and could not be reached.

Scores of Stony Brook Southampton students attended the press conference. Chants of “Save our school!” erupted twice over the course of the speeches, and many students held signs with slogans that they have used in protests over the past two weeks.

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The town should buy it and re-open the college and promote the making of FINE ART again!
By Non-Political (124), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 10 7:13 PM
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This is what will happen if the surrounding towns do not stand up and fight for control of this property. Stony Brook University will lease out land for private companies and create an incubator...just like their property in Calverton. International grad students and professionals will be hired to work on the campus to fulfill it "educational mission". A mini-united nations will be created and the least of your problems will be the day-laborers. Sure...fight against using CPF...in two years...you ...more
By vote no (1), Hampton Bays on Apr 24, 10 6:14 PM
What is wrong with bringing in brilliant minds from across the world to study and learn and discover? BNL (which works in conjunction with Stony Brook) is filled with these "foreign" minds and has *SEVEN* noble peace prizes to its name. It's also the lab where U.S. Department of Energy Secretary Steven Chu once worked and I'm willing to bet he worked closely with the "foreign grad students". Stony Brook University is a largely multi-national institution with brilliant minds working in physics, ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 25, 10 10:57 AM
Shouldn't your avatar include a white hood and a torch? Seriously. Racist much?
By HEJIRANYC (32), Sag Harbor on Apr 28, 10 11:45 AM
I'm a big fan of Southampton College and think it brings a lot of good to the East End. I feel for the students now, and for the ones who went through this with LIU. However, to suggest that CPF money be used to by the development rights is beyond asanine. Taxpayers already supplied the $78 million to buy/rehab the university. WHY would the taxpayers of Southampton then fork over $6 (10? 20?) million for the development rights when the property is already owned by the government? So Southampton ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 10 7:40 PM
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As a student of Stony Brook Southampton I obviously have a Bias on this issue. I want us to be saved at any cost and this fund which I am told is over a half a billion dollars could more then save our school. That is enough money to buy and sustain the school for at least the 2 years before it becomes its own independent SUNY without even reducing the fund by much. Plus consider the historical significance of the property which contains a 100+ year old windmill. Our campus fits several of the ...more
By acharlesSBS (1), baldwin on Apr 26, 10 9:28 AM
"this fund which I am told is over a half a billion dollars" I hope you are not referring to the CPF fund, which was quoted by Southampton Town's supervisor as "$10 million" which I was told isn't even accurate because some of that money is already promised to other acquisitions. On top of that, the CPF program is running a high debt because bonds were taken out (as they should be) to purchase land that will be paid back over time because land is relatively inexpensive right now. The 1/2 billion ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 26, 10 6:49 PM
Please excuse the few typos such as "entire county" = entire campus and "LIU Southampton" = SBU Southampton

In an article from the NY Times in December of 2008, Harvard's endowment was quoted as $36.9 billion. Maybe some letters should be sent to Harvard and they can make SBS a satellite of Harvard?

Also, while some people argue Southampton College could fall under several categories of appropriate CPF purchases, please remember that the proposal is to purchase the underlying ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 26, 10 7:04 PM
The community should be concerned about the property at the Southampton campus. Recent comments have been made by both Stony Brook President & SUNY Chancellor referring to "collaborations with private corporations for scientific research" and using the Southampton campus for research facilities. Stanley's background in this and his connections with chemical corporations, like Monsanto, should put the community on guard. With passage of the PHEEIA that SUNY is pushing for, the university would ...more
By js (44), NY on Apr 22, 10 7:55 PM
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I understand that (and am fine with it, but that's my opinion). But the Town has other recourses that don't involve bailing out the state with CPF dollars which should be spent preserving farmland or areas in the Pine Barrens/Aquifer Protection Overlay District.

The Town could change the zoning and forbid Industrial applications, create a special zoning district for undergraduate/graduate programs, enact a moratorium on new construction/development etc. etc. Additionally, the Southampton ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 10 8:15 PM
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I should clarify, however, that since SBS is owned by the State, they don't have to abide by Town Zoning laws or moratoriums if they are doing things in-house. Where it can come into play is bringing in outside companies and non-government organizations.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 10 10:02 PM
If Fred Thiele is at the helm of this ship, that can't be good for anyone (but Fred Thiele of course).... Beware.......
By BIGjimbo12 (201), East Quogue on Apr 22, 10 8:29 PM
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screw that
By joe hampton (3420), south hampton on Apr 22, 10 8:45 PM
This is just plain WRONG.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Apr 22, 10 9:23 PM
Please Mr. Thiele, tell me which one of these categories buying a DEVELOPED PUBLICLY OWNED college falls under:

COMMUNITY PRESERVATION
Includes the following:
A.
Establishment of parks, nature preserves, or recreational areas.
B.
Preservation of open space, including agricultural lands.
C.
Preservation of lands of exceptional scenic value.
D.
Preservation of freshwater and saltwater marshes or other wetlands.
E.
Preservation of aquifer recharge ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 10 10:35 PM
Hey, the Town purchased the property to the south of 7-11 and IT didn't fall under any of these categories either. If you check to see what is being purchased & for how much you would be surprised, at say the least.
By Ms. Jane Q. Public (147), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 9:47 AM
I presume you're talking about the one in Southampton Village. The purpose of that was for parkland. Once Eply came out with his plan to make it a hiring site, Southampton Town sued the Village saying it was an improper use, as per CPF.

That being said, I'm sure there are questionable CPF purchases out there. The Town is now considering swapping a CPF piece next to 7-11 in Westhampton with the Westhampton Cemetery. What a joke CPF is becoming. Why does the Town care if the Westhampton ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 23, 10 11:31 AM
Seeing as I have not read into what the actual fund entails, I believe as a student I can give you insight about what the campus offers that appears to be on this list.
A. There is a vast amount of space on this campus with 4 tennis courts, a baseball field and a rec center.
B. This campus has it's own organic garden and greenhouse. At events on campus the community can often be involved with these "agricultural lands"
C. The rolling hills on this campus provide vast scenic views of ...more
By SBS Student (5), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 9:54 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By EQme (112), East Quogue on Apr 24, 10 8:46 PM
You get points for creativity, but unfortunately your (admitted) lack of knowledge about CPF makes your arguement moot.

The purpose of CPF is to take 2% from every real estate transaction and use the money to preserve land under the criteria I listed above (straight from Town Code). One offshoot of the CPF program is PDR or purchased development rights. The point of PDRs is to buy farmland that would otherwise become a subdivision. The farmer gets millions for his land and is able to ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 25, 10 10:49 AM
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Nature,
Please stop commenting, you're making it seem like a lot of people disagree with this plan, but really, it's just you.
Thank you.
Save Stony Brook Southampton so we can save you!
By JuliaMargaret (5), Southampton on Apr 28, 10 2:43 PM
Julia:

I count 33 individual posters against using CPF dollars (not including myself). I've spoken to others (yeah I know, that's not a reliable source) who are against it. If you took the time to read all the comments, you will see many people are against using CPF $$ for this, and it appears the majority of those FOR it are students.

To be clear (because you haven't taken the time to read my posts). I am FOR the college. I'm for SAVING the college. I was for SAVING the college ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 28, 10 3:26 PM

BRAVO FRED THIELE AND SENATOR LAVALLE,

I was at LIU when this first disaster was announced and worked with all of the grassroots organizations that marshalled forces and demanded we
SAVE SOUTHAMPTON COLLEGE.
The use of Community Preservation Funds is entirely appropriate ,since
Southampton College, (now StonyBrook Southampton) is a major component of our community. It is one of the largest employers on the East End, perhaps larger than the hospital. ...more
By jaguarindio (2), east Hampton on Apr 22, 10 11:08 PM
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How does buying the rights to public land, with public funds = a profitable college? If the *new* \Southampton College is still losing money (which odds are, it will be) will Southampton Taxpayers be forced to bail it out too?
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 10 11:26 PM
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it seems to me that if you were to view this as a business venture you'd argue the consumer voted and they don't want to go here. Therefore spend your money elsewhere and more wisely - Adam Smith
By Hambone (513), New York on Apr 26, 10 12:10 AM
First of all, the claims that the school is "losing" money are being investigated. This has not been proven as a hard fact. Secondly, with enrollment growing at approximately 54% a year (as it did this year) if there is a loss, it will certainly narrow as more students attend the university. The campus is right on track as to where enrollment was anticipated to be with a max capacity of 2,000 students attained by 2013. The school was on a course to do this sooner than than expected. This is not ...more
By Cdwyer213 (68), Quogue on Apr 26, 10 7:30 AM
The statement about the college losing money is a reflection of what the future holds. At this point, 1/2 the students are already enrolled at SBU and all incoming students are going somewhere else (SBU or otherwise). With all of the negative press, and the college "closing" twice in 5 years, it will be extremely difficult to get students to come to Southampton College even if something ends up being worked out. The damage is done and it will take much longer to get to the max # of students now. ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 26, 10 9:21 AM
Have you ever taken a business course? Or understand any business principles? Southampton is only in it's third year, it's still in it's start up phase, so of course we will be spending money. How will you get students to come to a school if there are no dorms?! The necessary money is being spent at this school which shouldn't be considered in cost / profit calculations.
Also, students from Southampton are only enrolling in Stony Brook main campus classes for next semester because classes over ...more
By JuliaMargaret (5), Southampton on Apr 28, 10 2:58 PM
I'm all for saving the school and think Stony Brook is being foolish with its actions. But using CPF funds is illegal and I'm completely against the Town bailing out the State to float the college for 2 years with no guarentee that the college will ever be successful. It's a waste of public $$$ and incredibly irresponsible - it goes against everything SBS stands for it. i.e. it's wasteful.

I have not taken a business course, but I do have a general grasp of how business works. I know ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 28, 10 3:17 PM
Since when were public colleges profitable? Its a long range commitment and its success is not directly judged by profitability. Cases can be made for the Town and other levels of government to get involved in this property both to limit development and to support key community functions, such as study of FINE ART, MARINE SCIENCE, AMERICAN HISTORY, etc.


For the last few years, the Town has been tetering on the brink of disaster, selling its soul for the sake of increased tax ...more
By deKooning (106), southampton on Apr 23, 10 5:25 AM
NO NO NO
Unless it was going to become a Suffolk County park.
By SagHarborBob (91), Sag Harbor on Apr 23, 10 5:45 AM
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Lets look @ these elected orificials & review..

Southampton Town is missing millions & broke.
Suffolk County is broke.
NY State can't pass a budget and is seriously broke.

and these fools want to borrow from the CPF to fund the College? I wonder if any of them would take a cut in their own bloated salaries to help fund the effort....I doubt it.

A list of these greedy pigs should be made & every one voted out of the orifice they occupy.
By G (339), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 7:27 AM
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This is the most rediculous idea of all time! What are these fools thinking? The fund is for preserving OPEN SPACE!!! If SUNY wants to close the college, so be it, it's not our responsibility to put OUR MONEY into a project like this. There are enough parcels to purchase right now.
By bigfresh (4590), north sea on Apr 23, 10 7:29 AM
This campus should be turned into the Far Eastern Campus of Suffolk Community College. The other three campuses are so full that you can't get the classes you need and there is no parking. With the ecomomy the way it is many kids are opting to stay home and attend the community colleges. Offer competitive associate degrees like Nursing, Accounting, Paramedics ect.
By lifesaver (118), speonk on Apr 23, 10 8:19 AM
To use the CPF funds for this purpose is an egregious abuse of power. While I appreciate the intentions of our legislators to work to keep the campus open, it is entirely inappropriate to use CPF funds in this manner. The attempt to claim this is to protect development rights is simply disingenuous. If they want to use CPF funds for this purpose they should seek approval from the voters. The excerpt below is from the April 2010 CPF Project Plan. How can the use of CPF funds for this be justified ...more
By wwrut (1), New York on Apr 23, 10 8:48 AM
Are we out of our minds....Thiele and Lavalle bamboozled the community by using taxpayor money to purchase a failing private college for the total tune of more than $70 million of taypayer money... and now to correct their mistake, we are going to use CPF taxpayer funds and probably float a bond, also paid for by the taxpayer, to fix the failed purchase.. Sounds like a local bail out... We need to stop spending money....the new President of Stony Brook is correct in saying we have to live within ...more
By grimag (38), southampton on Apr 23, 10 8:57 AM
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Not with CPF funds-never.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Apr 23, 10 9:57 AM
The Shinnecocks should get a loan and buy the development rights before the town does, open a casino, (complete with a lounge, of course). Why commute to work when you can just cross the street? The gamblers can be brought in to the dock at the former Marine Station by high speed ferry from East Quoge, preventing local traffic issues. Future local employment for the people of the tribe will be a sure thing. They deserve it. Fair is fair. After all, wasn't it their community in the first place?
By Tree Man (19), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 10:00 AM
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And a casino the former college site shall be, the odds are 2 to 1.
By CommonSense (71), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 10:12 AM
How about give the 10 million back to the people? With the cost of living (i.e taxes) going out of control on the east end, that would be REAL community preservation. It is easy to spend money when you don't have to earn it...
By The Real World (368), southampton on Apr 23, 10 11:46 AM
Just STOP it! Stop borrowing money. The CPF was not supposed to be a slush fund. I don't think anyone originally thought that the CPF would not provide enough money, and that we would leverage it up at high rates through more borrowing. Our reps talk as if bonds are free...by the way, has anyone seen a balance sheet for Southampton town recently? I didn't think so....and if you had seen one, with the various missing and unaccounted for funds, you probably wouldn't put any credibility in it. ...more
By saggish (8), sag harbor on Apr 23, 10 11:54 AM
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I'm disappointed that the Town Board would come out in favor or something without asking the actual taxpayers and the homeowners whose purchase money supplies the CPF. I am not in support of letting SUNY off the hook. Stonybrook is using Southampton College as a game with the SUNY parent to try and get some funds restored. Let's not play into this!
By sirpoochala (78), Hampton Bays on Apr 23, 10 12:02 PM
The Town does have to put it to vote in order to get approval for this - but if it is done at a special election, we all know what kind of turnout those tend to generate.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 23, 10 12:34 PM
If the state cut the budget to operate Southampton due to fiscal issues, what makes anyone think that the campus could become a SUNY school on its own? Isn't that state money too?
By crankypaul (4), Patchogue on Apr 23, 10 12:06 PM
When will these people we put into office start dealing with reality...we can NOT afford to keep funding all these projects. Aren't we all in enough financial trouble? If monies spent are not going to show a profit or a benefit for the community at large...then stop throwing our monies away on pipe dreams. Southampton College could NOT keep it's head above water while in operation..why would we waste more money on a project that will just end up costing us more money???
By BeachGal (72), Hampton Bays on Apr 23, 10 12:20 PM
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To keep throwing money at this thing is ridiculous, nevermind the source. The handwriting was on the wall years ago when LIRR remove the platform at the college.
The CPF is one big sham to begin with. Towns should not be in the real estate business and there are numerous reasons why. PERIOD!!
Another branch of Suffolk Community is a decent idea but Stony Brook screwed that up when they purchased it. SCC will never spend that type of money for that land.
As sarcastic as Tree Man's ...more
By YEAROUNDER (81), East Hampton on Apr 23, 10 12:22 PM
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My comments were not sarcastic, I really think it is a great idea to convert the college into a casino. The traffic problem would be solved by the ferry idea. In addition, there is plenty of renovated housing that has just been provided courtesy of NY state, providing for a great hotel resort, with a few minor modifications. A resort needs a good lounge, and we could have music groups and comedians other acts there. The college cafeteria could be easily converted to a restauraunt. The Avrum ...more
By Tree Man (19), Southampton on Apr 24, 10 7:54 AM
How about thinking of the little guy - this land should be sold to the highest bidder---and if its to a developer who can bring WalMart and Lowes to the area they are certainly needed!!! Community needs taxable development.
By Bonacretiree (2), East Hampton on Apr 23, 10 12:25 PM
You must be kidding - then the Hamptons would be like everywhere else; crowded, strip malls and big box retail. We have a special community; lets protect it.
By sunshine (47), southampton on Apr 25, 10 2:30 PM
Do you really want our area (which derives income from tourists) which is pristine to become like so many other towns with their strip malls?
By farmacista1 (6), southampton on Apr 25, 10 3:28 PM
While I hope that the campus can be protected from demolition by developers, I think that using CP funds to open yet another college onsite is a mistake. Small, unendowed colleges are closing all over the country because they can't survive financially. One notable example is Antioch. Moreover,the acreage, while beautiful, doesn't possess (as far as I know) unique, pristine areas for which CP funds should be used. The parcel was developed over a hundred years ago. (I'm sure it was originally ...more
By highhatsize (4176), East Quogue on Apr 23, 10 12:33 PM
ATH was quoted in Newsday as saying, "I dare Stony Brook to get in the way of this."

ATH, you DO understand that Stony Brook can veto this right? Then you will have zero recourse and the CPF proposal will be dead. Or the State Legislature can veto it. Or, hopefully, the state AG will stop it before it gets to that point because it's illegal.

All I can do is hope and pray these politicos don't understand CPF and don't realize what they're doing is illegal. Unfortunately, Thiele ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 23, 10 12:42 PM
Southampton Hospital / Peconic Health Systemhas plans to move.. probably the Elks Club property. Why not discuss with them the possiblity of using the facilities on campus.. maybe we could provide housing for nurses, nursing students, medical residents via the dorms. Possilbly becoming a state of the art teaching hospital...
By grimag (38), southampton on Apr 23, 10 1:56 PM
Why would Southampton Town bailout NY State? That makes no sense.
By GoldenBoy (350), EastEnd on Apr 23, 10 3:44 PM
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Stop being fools, just ask Obama for the few million, he gives away Trillions!
By Doug (14), Hampton Bays on Apr 23, 10 3:50 PM
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I was told many years ago that the land was donated to Southampton College with the provision that it must be kept and used for education only. If it ever was to be changed from education it would revert back to the trust of the givers. I do not remember much more detail than this... Any one else remember??
By Doug (14), Hampton Bays on Apr 23, 10 3:54 PM
Years ago I tink in Californoia a polititian remaped a voting area to create more voters for himself. They named the process after him its called Jerrymandering. We should coin a phrase where as a local polititian creates a fund and then is the master of its dispersments. We could call it Freddymandering. Mr. Theile and the rest of his crew should listen to the sound of his collective constituency. It is starting to sound more and more like dump all the robber barrons that have gotten us all in ...more
By Bob Schepps (77), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 5:22 PM
It is not a legit CPF expenditure, but then Fred Thiele decides what is legit and what is not -- right Fred -- like the Bay Street Theatre, the East Hampton Bowling Alley, etc. Whatever floats Fred's political boat, gets his support. Fred even decides what the LAW means, even though the NYS Comptroller's Office said Fred should butt out of legal determinations. Right Fred?

The taxpayer's already paid for this purchase, the property is already "disturbed" and what would even two hundred ...more
By cruiser (8), East Hampton on Apr 23, 10 8:16 PM
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This is an excellent facility and it should be preserved and used for the people of the town. It is one of our important institutions out here.
SUNY Southampton...I like it.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 9:34 PM
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IMO......It seems small colleges are closing all over the nation. It seems like we would exhaust this CPF money for when its really needed. Lets think outside the box. This Property needs to be maintained as a educational facility. Somehow the Children's School manages to operate and is a terrific pre-school program run by Kathy Bishop. What if the Southampton High School moves there along with other neighboring/ private/ schools and have the Southampton Hospital move to Southampton High School ...more
By gallerygirl (29), southampton on Apr 23, 10 9:41 PM
Great, lets use the public's CPF money to purchase property we already (as NYS taxpayers) own. Then more bonds? Hey ATH and the other Town boobs, whose children will pay for this? Or will they have to flee like most of our young people because they cannot afford to live here? There has to be a better way than this lunacy. Stop mugging for the cameras.
By nellie (451), sag harbor on Apr 23, 10 9:50 PM
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Good call the photo op makes me nauseous. Cheesing like the rats they are!
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Apr 24, 10 4:52 PM
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I am 100% for saving the college. I think it would be best to be run as its own entity, perhaps its own SUNY as proposed. In its entire history, I don't think the college has ever lived up to its possibilities, impressive as it has been at times. It is uniquely suited for maritime and oceanographic studies, uniquely suited for fine arts. I had hoped with Stonybrook’s involvement, it would be uniquely suited for medical studies. Southampton is in the center of one of the richest communities in the ...more
By Bob Beattie (4), Hampton Bays on Apr 23, 10 9:51 PM
Condos. Great place for condos.
By Draggerman (940), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 11:36 PM
I've read all the comments: "No one wants to go to school out here." I did. So did thousands of others. "Turn it into a casino." Yeah, that's the ticket. Screw education. Gamble away the rent money. "There are colleges closing all over the country. Sure, and restaurants, too. So we shouldn't open any more restaurants? Stony Brook Southampton--and Southampton College before it--was born in this world to help teach environmental conciousness in an area over-run with part-time residents and tourists ...more
By DOC (9), Riverhead on Apr 24, 10 8:57 AM
Too big to fail? Too much invested it! Sounds familiar. I would love to see it saved, but not with the CPF, that is not the intended use of it. This whole scheme stinks to Albany. I hope Cuomo catches wind of this and nips it in the butt before they start weaseling the way through whatever loopholes Freddie & Co weaved into the language of the fund.
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Apr 24, 10 4:46 PM
Great idea!!! Don't forget to tax everything that happens on this campus so we can pay for the idiotic "Obummer" health plan!
By EQme (112), East Quogue on Apr 24, 10 8:51 PM
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Since you are from Riverhead please convince Town of Riverhead to use its' CPF funds to save the college or are they too busy building a ski mountain in the pine barrens to care? This is not a project for CPF funds and you can be sure there will be lawsuits to stop it.
By nellie (451), sag harbor on Apr 25, 10 10:11 PM
Uh, mixing topics?
By louise (13), East Hampton on May 4, 10 3:56 PM
(EQme that is)
By louise (13), East Hampton on May 4, 10 4:00 PM
Well, if we have to but it, let's make it the new Town Hall. It would house every asgency the town has in one central location that's easy to get to from any direction. It can also supply emergency housing for those in need. Plenty of parking and easy to get to. As a joint effort, you could also continue to educate our youth. Just a thought.
By jxmcgoey (2), southampton on Apr 24, 10 10:42 AM
Not the idea of the CPF.
By Draggerman (940), Southampton on Apr 25, 10 8:22 AM
What an excellent idea!! And what a terrific use of our money. Thank you for taking the lead!!
By Grethe Elgort (3), Southampton on Apr 24, 10 12:07 PM
From Long Island Business News publication April 22, 2010
excerpt from "Alums rally for Southampton":



This fall, 800 students were already enrolled to attend at that campus & admissions were on track to reach 2000-2500 within the near future. The school is not a money-loser but the town will be when they are gone. This was a start-up and anybody with any business sense knows a start-up doesn't pay for itself in it's infancy & they dont expect it to. This college was right ...more
By js (44), NY on Apr 24, 10 10:56 PM
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excuse me - that was meant to read:

From Long Island Business News publication April 22, 2010
excerpt from "Alums rally for Southampton":

"According to national averages reported by StateUniversity.com, students spend an average of $13,000 a year in their local communities, which includes $211 per month in discretionary spending. Using that formula, the 500 students at Stony Brook Southampton campus pump some $6.5 million each year into the local economy".

My comment ...more
By js (44), NY on Apr 24, 10 11:07 PM
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The Town of Southampton should focus on running the town and not take on matters it was never meant to handle. There is enough work to be done at the town level and in budget than to take on this project. I find that this latest attempt to subvert the CPF for purposes other than its original intent to be unacceptable. I will vote against its renewal in the future and against those who would use for short sighted political reasons.
Many alternative uses for the college have been proposed in ...more
By V.Tomanoku (788), southampton on Apr 25, 10 9:51 AM
It IS odd that the STONY administrators chose to annihilate one branch of their university entirely rather than spread the budgetary hurt across the entire state campus system.

Why? Why the about-face from increased enrollment and development? There is something here that we are not being told. Thiele & LaValle should investigate at their levels and find out why SUNY Southampton is bearing such a disproportionate part of the austerity.




















By highhatsize (4176), East Quogue on Apr 25, 10 11:41 AM
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I believe Stony Brook still needs to cut $20 million at the MAIN campus, and there were stiff cuts at Stony Brook Manhatten
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 25, 10 12:13 PM
I've read all the comments, don't have a solution,just some comments on the ideas. The Community College Idea seems viable. Move the Hospital and get the perks from housing staff etc. seems OK. Move Town Hall, ditto. My ?, why didn't NYS take a closer look before putting in the $78 mil at the viability of the College continuing ?
By farmacista1 (6), southampton on Apr 25, 10 3:40 PM
There is no need to come up with other uses for the property. The $78 million was not wasted on establishing an environmental studies college there. The college IS viable. It was succeeding & growing. (see Southampton Press Article from March 10, 2010 "Students flock to Stony Brook Southampton). Stanley killed it all for a possible savings of about $2 million per year ($6.7 million over 3 years). It makes no sense - until you realize that he wants those students out of there in order to free ...more
By js (44), NY on Apr 26, 10 12:53 AM
"officials said its proposed cuts would save SUNY about $6.7 million a year"

How does that = $2 milllion / year?

Stony Brook was forced to make serious budget cuts and decided this was a good way to save some $$. They also had serious cuts at Stony Brook Manhatten, and will have severe cuts at Stony Brook main campus. It may be stupid and nearsighted and foolish, but it's likely that the root of this problem was a lack of proper funding in the first place. Same with LIU Southampton ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 26, 10 9:27 AM
SUNY officials have since adjusted their statement. “Anticipated base savings from closing the residential campus at Southampton are projected to be $6.7 million,” said Daniel Melucci, Stony Brook’s associate vice president of strategy and planning. "... the realization of those savings will phase in over a 2 to 3 year period.” http://www.sbpress.com/2010/04/when-the-windmill-stopped-spinning/
By js (44), NY on Apr 26, 10 8:35 PM
I believe what that means is they will be "saving" $6.7 million/year but the first year or two they have contractual obligations which will eat up some of that money, so it won't be until year 3 that the full $6.7 million will be "saved". However, I agree that it's nearsighted, and a bit dishonest to say they will be saving that much right off the bat when they have contracts they need to honor. Thanks for posting that article
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 26, 10 9:03 PM
Do these officials even think? Who will pay the carrying costs for this stunt?
By Real Conservative (9), Hampton Bays on Apr 26, 10 8:32 AM
hey freddy, the c in cpf stands for community NOT college. how did throne-holst come up with this loser idea? now tell the truth anne. chris nuzzi get as far away from this group of puppets as fast as you can. failing businesses should be left to run their course to ruin. take sen lavalle's lead, don't do or say anything binding, except maybe in a pizza shop with the biggest slimeball of suffolk county.
By uncleronk (136), southold on Apr 26, 10 10:13 AM
This plan actually has a hint of brilliance from Southampton Govt.

If we get hold of the development rights with objectives that are consistant with the CPF then we win. This plan not only gives us a true governing control over how the campus land is managed, but it lays the foundation for a true SUNY Southampton.

Dump Stony Brook. Stony Brook has failed on the vision for this campus. Give me a break with calling the unmowed grass a meadow. This campus was just another part ...more
By Politicritic (4), Hampton Bays on Apr 27, 10 11:01 PM
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It's impossible to get hold of the development rights with objectives consistant with CPF because the only situation in which the purchase of development rights is applicable is when the property is actively farmed, or has the potential for active farming/agriculture (prime soils, flat topography, etc.) which is not the case for Southampton which is already developed and has the allowable density of 2000 people as per suffolk county.

The unmowed grass meadow was the idea of the students ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 28, 10 9:14 AM
To all our supporters out there: We invite you to join us tonight, April 28th, at our fundraiser to "Save the College at Southampton" at the Stephen Talkhouse in Amagansett from 7-10 pm. A minimum donation of $10 is requested at the door. There will be live entertainment, fabulous raffles and an update from our local elected officials. Hope to see you there!
By Cdwyer213 (68), Quogue on Apr 28, 10 7:08 AM
Not if you support using CPF money to do so.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Apr 28, 10 2:02 PM
"actively farmed?"

Great location for a: vineyard; school of wine making; cooking including terraced herb gardens etc.; Native American arts including crops, conservation of the Earth, shell fishing etc..

If you want "actively farmed," consider broadening the definition of farming to include the wind and the sun, install wind turbines and solar panels, and you have "active farming" all over the place, including the terraced herb gardens, vineyards, and so forth. Don't they call ...more
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Apr 28, 10 6:36 PM
Good luck Southampton! This is a place that should never be developed.
Graduate of Long IS Univ. and Southampton College.
By kelly (75), hampton bays on Apr 28, 10 11:06 PM
The closing of Southampton…from a business point is not short sighted. Many colleges across the Country are affected by the same financial crisis just as many other businesses or even Community Programs that rely on donations and our tax dollars . No one believed five years ago that we would be in the middle of a deep financial crisis across America, so the SUNY Board had no idea that this would in fact happen.

I agree that closing the college would be a travesty. If Stony Brook ...more
By freesiay (8), Mattituck on Apr 30, 10 1:48 AM
The students had a demonstration on campus hours after they acciedntally found out their college was being eliminated. It forced the SB president to come to Southampton & face the student body where he made the official announcement. A few days later, the students had a car caravan to Rocky Point, where they started their police-escorted 12-mile march to the Stony Brook campus. There they held a 6 hr demonstration & sit-in. Again the president was forced to come out & face them. He then met ...more
By js (44), NY on May 1, 10 12:04 AM
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By js (44), NY on May 1, 10 12:10 AM
Freesaiy:

I like the multi-pronged approach at tackling this problem, however there are some issues. You want professors to work for $1/year because other CEO's can work for $1/year... those CEOs are able to do that because they have made their millions, and are still getting heavily compensated in stock options. The better their companies do, the more they make in stock sales. The former chancellor of LIU Southampton (a billionaire) took only $1/year AND gave millions to the college ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 30, 10 9:42 AM
During our great depression ...the businesses that often survived were the ones that were illegal.
During hard times I do believe we all have to bend the rules for the common good for all.
To lose a college out on the east end would not be good for the North Fork either, or Riverhead and perhaps they could also share the Bond proposal .

As far as volunteers, to help run the college or professors that would teach a course or two for free , is up to each individual, but to not ask ...more
By freesiay (8), Mattituck on Apr 30, 10 11:12 AM
One more idea at this point would be to look directly at Washington DC right now , and say there has to be money from some where that can be used to save the College.
A College that is dedicated to academic programs that focus on issues of ecological sustainability, Environmental Studies, Marine Sciences, Marine Biology, Ecosystems and Human Impact, Environmental Design, Policy and Planning and Sustainability Studies looks to me as being a necessity in our ever changing world.
After our ...more
By freesiay (8), Mattituck on Apr 30, 10 11:47 AM
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The argument that Stony Brook Southampton wasn't a "good business model" is untrue; and when are public colleges a business anyway? There are plenty of majors over at the main Stony Brook campus that operate at a bigger deficit than Southampton's eco-majors. Then there are programs like history, art and English that cost little to run. Southampton was adding such majors this coming fall and was to have over 800 students. Growth was going as expected. There is only so much habitable dorm space. If ...more
By Mr Suffolk (113), Twin Forks on Apr 30, 10 10:27 AM
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By js (44), NY on May 1, 10 12:05 AM
Gordian.
By louise (13), East Hampton on May 4, 10 3:57 PM
One more time: Purchase of the development rights to
southampton College can't legally be done with CPF monies! Plain and simple. The idea hat the Town would use ANY money to save a STATE university is ludicrous. Find another way to do it, but keep Town funds out of the equation.
By bigfresh (4590), north sea on May 1, 10 12:52 PM
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Give politicians money like the CPF and they can't think of ways to spend it fast enough How is this land preservation They just can't seem to keep their hands out of the cookie jar
By harbor man (45), sag harbor on May 2, 10 9:38 AM
I agree, give the politicians access to another source of money and they can't wait to spend it. This fund should be kept only for acquiring open land and forested properties.
By hamptonsnrcit (47), sag harbor on May 3, 10 1:46 PM
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