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Sep 1, 2010 11:23 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Tuckahoe developer defends plan

Sep 1, 2010 11:23 AM

The would-be developer of a proposed shopping center development on 12 acres along County Road 39 has had a difficult year: he’s been called names by residents, painted as an enemy of South Fork village business districts, and labeled a greedy developer who sublimates the character and needs of a community in the name of profit.

But in a lengthy interview this week, Robert Morrow defended himself, his motives, his record as a developer, and, most significantly, his proposed “Tuckahoe Main Street” project along County Road 39 from the deluge of criticism from some in the Tuckahoe and Southampton communities. He said he’s committed to developing the project but is open to input on its specifics—but if his bid for a zone change is rejected, he will develop the property based on current zoning, which could turn out to be a less desirable option for the community.

Mr. Morrow presented his proposed $30 million project as one that is already needed, and said the need will only grow as hundreds of new families move into the Tuckahoe region, thanks to several residential projects already approved. He also touted the 200 jobs he said will be created in the various businesses to locate there. Meanwhile, he downplayed concerns about the potential for traffic problems caused by the development on a property where a traffic light would not be possible, and he dismissed claims that the dozen or so retail spaces in the development would pose a threat to the vibrancy of Southampton Village’s downtown business district.

Mr. Morrow, who owns a house in Bridgehampton and previously built the Hampton Bays Center shopping complex along Montauk Highway in that hamlet, said that when he took over interest in the Tuckahoe project from the original developer, King Kullen’s former chief real estate developer Ed Glackin, in the early spring of this year, his intention was to take his own vision of the project to the community. His design incorporates slightly more store space than Mr. Glackin’s proposal but also features more trees, green space and natural elements, such as vine-covered walls and water features, better screening, less blacktop, and more amenities intended to draw foot traffic rather than car traffic, such as bike racks, benches and foot paths. The goal, he maintains, is to create something akin to a “main street” feel, complete with a dozen apartments and stores aiming to serve full-time residents.

After being told of the support Mr. Glackin’s plan had gotten from local citizen groups two years ago, Mr. Morrow said he expected his proposal to be met with broad approval from the Tuckahoe and Southampton communities. He laments that was not at all the case and points the finger at an organized opposition.

“When I took over, it was my goal to go out and meet the people, to go to the community and explain the changes I’d made,” he said. But the week before he was to appear at the Tuckahoe Citizens Advisory Committee meeting, Bonnie Geobert, the co-chair of the committee, was quoted in The Press damning the project. When the time for the meeting came, a large crowd of residents and businesspeople opposed to the project attended and loudly criticized Mr. Morrow and his development plans.

“I felt I was set up,” he said.

He also said he made sure all five Town Board members supported the proposed zone change that would be required for the project, even before he invested: “If they were against it, I would never have gotten involved.”

He claims that because of a well-funded opposition effort, which has been represented by Southampton Village attorney John Bennett and has run numerous large newspaper ads attacking the project, the proposed “Tuckahoe Main Street” has not gotten a fair hearing in public. He said that at the CAC meeting this summer, the only public gathering at which Mr. Morrow’s representatives have attempted to review details of the project, opponents’ boisterous opinions intimidated and drowned out those residents who wanted to hear the project explained.

The developer said that despite the opposition he does not plan to withdraw his application for a special zone change that must be approved by the Town Board—but he stressed that he is willing to alter his designs if the Town Board demands it, and if opponents are willing to provide reasonable input.

“I’m hopeful that I’ll be able to work with the Town Board and figure out what amount of retail they would support,” he said, acknowledging that the retail development, not the supermarket or other features of the development, are what has fueled the opposition. “If it’s justifiable, I’m going to listen ... If there’s room for discussion, I’m willing to discuss it.”

As proposed, the project is not significantly larger than the one that was embraced by many in the Tuckahoe community in 2008, Mr. Morrow claims. The layout of the buildings is largely the same, seven structures scattered around the 12 acres with an 80-foot-wide main roadway snaking through. The visible frontage on County Road 39 would be a bank branch, drugstore and restaurant. The supermarket would be at the rear of the property.

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Could we define "a less desirable option for the community"?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 1, 10 4:51 PM
Pick up tomorrow's issue of The Southampton Press for that, and more!
By BOReilly (135), 27east Web Editor on Sep 1, 10 4:52 PM
To define: Last week in SH Village, I met a young woman who was attempting to obtain signatures in favor of Tuckahoe Main Street. She was an employee of Mr. Morrow and she stated that if the shopping center was turned down, Mr. Morrow would be forced to put in an entire development of low income housing ( her precise and accurate words), because his company has a 99 year lease on the property.

Please get the h**out of our town! Your shopping center is despised.
By elliot (254), sag harbor on Sep 1, 10 10:39 PM
Affordable housing, huh? Last time I checked, "low income" out here, is about the national average anywhere else.

Gee, normal, middle class folks being able to afford the "American Dream" in the town of their birth.

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 10 9:46 PM
stop ruining my town.
By local (106), north sea on Sep 1, 10 5:17 PM
Oh I see its your town. Well since you have declared yourself queen, Could you maybe have my street in Flanders repaired we have been asking for well over a year now. I guess I need to find myself one of those afordable housing in South hampton you folk are always talkin bout that dont exsist.
By local 84 (353), riverhead on Sep 2, 10 9:00 PM
The only way I seriously know of to have a home in your own hometown around here, is to give your parents fair, countrywide, market average asking price for the home and land to buffer their retirement, if they still have one left.

Good luck with "fair market value" prices around here thanks to the avaristic "terrible twos" who set the prices. It's "worth" a ridiculous price because some idiot actually paid that much for it once. Supply and demand, after all...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 10 10:06 PM
Too bad he's not standing in front of one of the many empty storefronts in that nightmare of a shopping center in Hampton Bays.
By EastEnder2 (30), Hampton Bays on Sep 1, 10 5:17 PM
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Mr. Morrow, please do not threaten us with the "less desirable option" scheme. So many residents have expressed their opposition to this project, yet you remain steadfast - why? Are you really interested in this community? No one disputes your right to build on property you own as it was zoned when you purchased said property. That is, of course, your right, but now both you and supervisor Holst have used the "better than the alternative" bait and switch, but it simply will not fly.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Sep 1, 10 5:36 PM
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By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Sep 1, 10 5:49 PM
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So as an alternative to "freezing time" we should simply allow developers to run roughshod until the community has lost all of its open space and all of its value? Why take sides with a developer who has no interest in the community and who purchased that parcel of land knowing the zoning but now believes he should be able to build whatever he likes. You would most likely not be afforded the same concessions unless you too had friends on the planning commission and had made large donations to all ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Sep 2, 10 9:10 AM
I was simply stating my true opinion. I think Mr Morrows HB Shopping plaza is the cleanest and most modern part of HB. I think before It was built that part of town was a embarrassment. I would like to see more smart renovation to HB. You See, I don't care if the store is owned by mom and pop or Walmart as long as the building is properly designed and Its craacter fits in with our community. To many of you are so anti corparation you let that shape your opinion. Why should Barnes and Noble not be ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Sep 2, 10 8:32 PM
joehampton, you pollute every topic of discussion by allowing your far-right politics dictate every single thought you have. This has nothing to do with anti-coporate liberal, blah, blah, blah . . . Read the posts and then try to comment in an intelligent, meaningful way.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 2, 10 9:18 PM
Last time I checked, Wal-Mart has what is most likely the LOWEST regard for the associates it employs in the retail industry.

Hope your friends who get jobs there like minimum wage, and "benfits" packaages that cost about a third of their weekly pay, should they opt for it.

Anti-corporation? NO.

Anti-fuedalism? YES.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 10 9:49 PM
Translation of a less desireable option = this guy would make less $$. And, have you ever seen such a smug picture in your life. Is there a reason the camera's angle couldn't at your level or does this waste prefer to look down at everyone. Dude, we'll take what's behind door #3 because what's behind your door #1 is #2.
By isthisguyserious? (15), hampton bays on Sep 1, 10 6:58 PM
Not defending Mr. Morrow but the photographer likely used the lower angle to incorporate the "clock tower" which provides for a better background than a window.

I do find it ironic though that it shows off the Clock Tower which is hands down the most useless tool developers use in shopping centers. The one in HB is particularly ridiculous because you can only see it if you are standing where the photographer is.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Sep 2, 10 10:19 AM
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Well I'm glad someone else figured that one out
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Sep 2, 10 8:34 PM
A 12 acre commercial retail development with no traffic light ? Umm, how is this going to be possible and who is going to put their head on the block to approve this nightmare waiting to happen?
By East End 2 (151), Southampton on Sep 1, 10 9:16 PM
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No matter what ANYONE wants to do, there is always someone in your face. Self righteous little people who do nothing and accomplish nothing other than interfering in other people's progress. The property WILL be developed! Better that it serve the community in a very positive way than what can and might be done AS OF RIGHT! Keep it up and just see what happens. See an opportunity lost!
By DasK (26), on Sep 1, 10 10:42 PM
"Little people"? Please explain why this will have a "very positive" impact on my neighborhood, and please provide very specific details.

From what I can tell the majority of residents in this district, not folks from elsewhere, but people who live within a one to three mile radius of this proposed mega-mall, are against this development. They have attended meetings, written letters to the press and the town board, and gone out of their way to clearly define their opposition.

"An ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Sep 1, 10 11:27 PM
Wait until people get their tax bills adjusted for the increase in school aged children in the affordable housing complex. This will bring about more whining for sure.
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Sep 2, 10 2:20 AM
He will never build affordable housing, because he has nothing to gain, period. In addition, studies on affordable housing show that there is usually little to no impact on school districts as they are usually occupied by young couples without kids. Besides, educating children beats the heck our of a mini-mall.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Sep 2, 10 9:05 AM
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Affordable housing would be a requirement as per the PDD - he can't "not" build it.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Sep 2, 10 10:22 AM
The requirement calls for less than he is "threatening" to build, his entire mega-mall would contain only a couple of upstairs apartments that no one would want to buy, regardless of their income.

Besides, since when is affordable housing a threat. Bring it on, we can use as much as he wants to build and 8 more kids at Tuckahoe will make up for the loss of all of the families who have been forced to move out of the district by sky high real estate costs.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Sep 2, 10 11:16 AM
Dam Straight it would be a requirement, but I am sure they will overlook that detail.
By local 84 (353), riverhead on Sep 2, 10 8:44 PM
I affectionately call the process, and end result, by which "families who have been forced to move out" "de pecuniae" segregation.

Segregation by way of the "Almighty Dollar"...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 3, 10 12:43 AM
progressnow - go have a look in whalebone village in East Hampton and tell me about little to no impact on the school district.
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Sep 3, 10 5:00 AM
Ice, had you bothered to read my post you would see that I was quoting Mr. Morrow's threat to bring 8 more students to the school district. Our school can handle 8 more students just fine.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Sep 3, 10 9:41 AM
It was in response to your post immediately following mine, read your own post and then you will see the relevance.
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Sep 4, 10 6:55 PM
Once the Parrish Museum moves to Water Mill, what happens to the current museum building and the old library? That's about 25% of the storefront space on Job's Lane.

Modern shopping center on 39 right where traffic goes from superhighway to single road with lights. Yeah, that's a great idea. What a mess.
By davidf (325), hampton bays on Sep 2, 10 4:03 AM
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The Parrish Art Musuem and the Old Library aren't commercial stores so... not seeing how the relocation of the Musuem has anything to do with this.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Sep 2, 10 10:25 AM
I remember when the stocks and the old house that are now east of main street were on Job's Lane and were replaced by a shopping enclave. I am curious if the two main buildings of the current Parrish museum and the old library are slated to be transformed into another use or whether the village or the town has addressed this issue at all.
By davidf (325), hampton bays on Sep 3, 10 4:52 AM
Of course he will defend his plan as he has alot of money to make. Its pretty clear NO PDD! NO PDD! NO PDD! This is an UNhampton main street and will suckl the life out of downtown, which is exactly what happened to Riverhead with Route 58. Let him build his right NO VARIANCES!
By North Sea Citizen (568), North Sea on Sep 2, 10 6:34 AM
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DASK is a very good representation of the sort of low life, condescending, angry, threatening fool that would support such project. The frustration that DASK exhibits, in combination with the press released flub is actually a very good sign! It sounds like the vast majority of folks in this area are quite willing to allow this opportunity to pass. Keep screaming, we have "AS OF RIGHT" to express our strong opposition to boss' pillaging of our environment. His examples of positive development ...more
By isthisguyserious? (15), hampton bays on Sep 2, 10 7:01 AM
When one purchases a property there is no guarantee that a change of zoning will be granted. He SPECULATED on this land and hopefully our elected officials will listen to their bosses and deny this weasel any variances. He has a right to build, but only within the parameters of the existing zoning.
To our elected Town Board members: The people have spoken and don't want this monstrosity in our community. Remember, you work for us and if we are not satisfied with your performance you WILL be ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 2, 10 7:12 AM
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Bigfresh's comments is as eloquent a statement on this as one would ever expect to hear. Good points through and through. Bingo.
By isthisguyserious? (15), hampton bays on Sep 2, 10 7:44 AM
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To SH Press, just read your entire "story". You have basically given Mr. Morrow a big ad smack dab in the middle of your home page. This "article" does not present any credible rebuttals to any of his statements. Did you even bother to question any of his assertions? You don't even question him about his ludicrous threat to bring more kids into the district and to increase tax burdens if he does not get his way?

This is nothing more than an advertisement disguised as an article.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Sep 2, 10 9:22 AM
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Mr. Morrow, stop playing the victim, it is pathetic. And stop threatening the residents of this district with your "scary alternatives" I attended a CAC meeting where a man whose owns four properties right behind your mega-mall said that that the taxes on his four small properties are greater than the measley $150,000 you would bring to the school district! And guess what, for some of us not everything is about money. The negative impact on traffic and quality of life would far out way your ...more
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Sep 2, 10 9:35 AM
I just finished reading the SH Press online abstract of an article on local families that have kept Main Street businesses alive for many generations. I will get a copy of the Press tomorrow to read the full article, and how this Tuckahoe mega mall will put all of the local families out of business. Good times!!!!!

On another note, don't rag on the HB clock tower, without it, Marty Mcfly would have never gotten back to 1985..........................................
By CommonSense (71), Southampton on Sep 2, 10 10:51 AM
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dagdavid, its not a real story, michael wright wrote it in the southampton press.
By isthisguyserious? (15), hampton bays on Sep 2, 10 11:25 AM
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By isthisguyserious? (15), hampton bays on Sep 2, 10 11:25 AM
"I don't care what the community wants! If I don't get my way I am going to hold my breath and build houses so 8 MORE KIDS will go to Tuckahoe School! Mmmwaahaahaaaa! Bow before me or else - 8 MORE STUDENTS!"

To dagdavid: I have been a fan of Micheal Wright, but on this one I have to agree, what a vanity piece for Mr. Morrow.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 2, 10 1:28 PM
Isn't vanity a "deadly sin"?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 10 9:55 PM
I heard Imam Soros wants to build a Mosque in the vacant Parrish spot.
By isthisguyserious? (15), hampton bays on Sep 2, 10 1:52 PM
Tell you what boy, We are working on just that and we dont need Soros . The ICNA has many projects, programs, and activities which are designed to help in the process of molding the individual and reforming society at large.and We have our sights on Southampton within the next 3 years.Still think what you said is funny?

By local 84 (353), riverhead on Sep 2, 10 8:50 PM
Need only read your other posts as well as this one to see who you actually describe as a lowlife angry fool
By DasK (26), on Sep 2, 10 2:13 PM
Hello, SH Press Posters,

A moment if I may............................

While we local citizens back-stab and argue with each other over every little diverse and off topic point, Mr. Morrow is fully enjoying our lack of community cohesion and our sheer inability to stay on- topic about his terribly conceived development project.

If I were he, I would see a grand opportunity to move forward while we divert ourselves with meaningless blather and anger at each other.

Just ...more
By elliot (254), sag harbor on Sep 2, 10 6:35 PM
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Damn I just used blather on a different thread and now I come here and see you had already utilized it! Good show!
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Sep 3, 10 5:04 AM
The only purpose of a shopping center is to make money for the developer. If Morrow really wanted to do something positive for the community he would build a public park or preserve some land.

Kimco and King Kullen wiped out Main Street Bridgehampton. Route 58 wiped out downtown Riverhead. Despite these and numerous other examples, the Town is ready to give this hypocritical jerk a PDD (otherwise known as spot zoning) without any public benefit. Not only is there no public benefit, there ...more
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Sep 2, 10 6:35 PM
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I respectfully disagree with the wiping out of downtown Bridgehampton, it changed it no doubt. The little grocery stores like IGA and the lot are hurting because they have high prices, low selection and out of date items. Bridgehampton is none the worse for having King Kullen and the rest of the retail stores in the commons.

Riverhead downtown was dying long before Route 58 really took off. It needs to reinvent itself to survive. The Aquarium is a help but not enough, dowtown can coexist ...more
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Sep 3, 10 5:26 AM
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As to the kinds of shops and where they go, that is determined by traffic and rent. KIMCO's BH mall currently houses Banana Republic, The Gap, Ann Taylor, American Eagle Outfitters, Victoria's Secret and Williams-Sonoma. The draw of course is King Kullen, which generates the kind of foot traffic that bulk retailers drool over. Morrow's talk about "mom and pop's" is BS, he'll be charging maximum rent to deep-pocketed corporate stores. The effects of that on real mom and pop stores and the real Main ...more
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Sep 3, 10 3:13 PM
I agree that the tenants will be corporate stores, but don't forget there are many corporate stores in the Village, they just happen to be high end corporate stores.
There aren't many mom and pop stores left in the Village at present. It may have that feel, but the truth is many of the owners have deep pockets themselves. The people who shop at the high end boutiques in SH Village are not about to flock over to The Gap, Banana Republic, AE Outfitters or Ann Taylor. The boutique shops in the ...more
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Sep 4, 10 7:06 PM
And it is true. This article is really only a "puff piece" .

A better piece of "advertising" I have never seen.
By elliot (254), sag harbor on Sep 2, 10 6:36 PM
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We should put the new shopping center In Rosco Place I am sure Evelyn Konrad would welcome the project. LOLLLLLL
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Sep 2, 10 8:40 PM
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Hell Joe, that one caught me right in the belly with a laugh. Haven't genuinely had a chuckle that good in a while...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 10 9:58 PM
yeah boy i do think what i said was funny jay z! hahahahaha.
By isthisguyserious? (15), hampton bays on Sep 3, 10 7:31 AM
Ya will see if your laughing in a few years. Praise Allah
By local 84 (353), riverhead on Sep 5, 10 10:33 PM
Threats will only backfire. We do not want a shopping center.
By deKooning (106), southampton on Sep 3, 10 9:43 AM
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He looks a little like Bernie Madoff, not a trusting person. He will ruin the integrity of the community landscape just like he did in Hampton Bays, and all with a smile on his face.. He built a behemoth center in the middle of a nice hamlet. Ruined the character of the village, in my opinion. Now he wants to build another mega center. How greedy this man is, and how he has no concern for the impact it will have on the aesthetics, traffic, and environmental impact his capitalistic scheme will ...more
By dave148 (2), southampton on Sep 3, 10 11:25 AM
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Hey, Town Board, are you reading these comments? Why not listen to the community and take steps towards rejecting this proposal outright. No change in zoning for this or any other development that does not have a larger benefit to the community than it does for the developer.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Sep 3, 10 2:33 PM
Why not? Because the community doesn't give politicians campaign donations or no-show consulting jobs or kickbacks or real jobs after they are out of office. For politicians all "growth" is good, especially run-away cancer type growth.

The operation was a success, but the patient died.
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Sep 3, 10 3:39 PM
Sometimes it isn't what you sell, but who and what you sell out to buy your own future that matters...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 3, 10 10:08 PM
What burns me the most about his dude is that he just does not give a flying ____ about the folks of this district. He says he will not give up! Are you kidding me, bro?! The land is not zoned for a freaking mega-mall, PERIOD! And a PDD is NOT your god given right, even though you made campaign contributions and got your buddies appointed to the planning commission. You think if you just hold tight the little people will shut up and go away? Forget it! Not this time.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 4, 10 4:34 PM
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Thank you, peoplefirst, for saying everything in my heart!!!

Morrow acts as if this moronic, unwanted suburban shopping mall is some kind of manifest destiny that he has no control over.

To H*** with you and your plan, and your paid-for politicians, Morrow!!!
By elliot (254), sag harbor on Sep 5, 10 12:45 AM
I think Mr morrows project If done properly will be a wonderful addition to the town.
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Sep 5, 10 11:46 AM
How much did he pay you?
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Sep 5, 10 11:51 AM
joe hampton just likes to be contrary
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 5, 10 1:46 PM
I had a different word in mind.
By fidelis (199), westhampton beach on Sep 5, 10 3:14 PM
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We need jobs not Shopping centers. And will this shopping center be built with union workers. ???? Or more Illegals
By local 84 (353), riverhead on Sep 5, 10 10:30 PM
We need not only jobs, but jobs with companies, and corporations that recongnize the cost of living that has been imposed on the local population by the interlpers who have made this their overdeveloped, oversexed, and overpopulated playground.

Mandatory minimum wage: $11.00

Woudl probably never work though, because a way would be found to take it back via the costs of goods, and serivces...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 5, 10 10:38 PM
People first said --->A read through these comment boards and you would think this is a deep south newspaper. I am constantly amazed by the bigotry and hatreds expressed here. " May 6, 09 8:19 AM
I think there is a lot of hate for a business man trying to realize his American dream. I understand not every pdd should get approved,But just because he is not a mom and pop does not mean he is the Antichrist
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Sep 5, 10 10:43 PM
Rich people who act exclusively in their own interest and try to pass themselves off as public benefactors get plenty of well-deserved hatred.
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Sep 6, 10 1:26 PM
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That posting you're quoting is in direct reference to a bigoted comment. Trying to make it apply here is a stretch at best. You should try adding something productive to the discussion. The fact that you can only defend this mega-mall by attacking those against it is further proof that this proposed development has no community benefit whatsoever.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 6, 10 2:51 PM
" I will not deny any man his freedom, as long as it does not impinge upon the freedoms of other men."

Can't remember who said it, but those who abuse their freedoms, indeed do impinge upon other's freedoms.
Sep 6, 10 11:26 PM appended by Mr. Z
Liberty is the possibility of doubting, of making a mistake,... of searching and experimenting,... of saying No to any authority - literary, artistic, philosophical, religious, social, and even political. ~Ignazio Silone, The God That Failed, 1950
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 6, 10 11:26 PM
oh look, its junior jihadi from the i.b.e.w., worried about the unions getting some.
By dylan32 (64), east hampton on Sep 6, 10 8:18 AM
hey boo. Mmmm, Say hello to your new neighbor. Got somthing aganst unions? to bad.
By local 84 (353), riverhead on Sep 6, 10 10:40 PM
Mr. Z, not sure if you've noticed but there is a direct relationship between increases in the minimum wage and drops in the employment rate. Americans are getting very good at getting the job done w/ less people, so an increase in the minimum wage = less minimum wage workers being employed.
By dylan32 (64), east hampton on Sep 6, 10 8:21 AM
I just put in close to forty hours in the last three days, because we are so understaffed, and most of the reason employees leave is they can't live on the damn near, or minimum wage they are paid.

You want to retain competent, qualified help?

Pay a reasonable wage.

FYI, there is also a group on Long Island working on the qualifiications for federal aid, and making the guidelines for such aid based against the cost of living. In other parts of the country, 30k a year ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 6, 10 11:22 PM
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local 84: Unions are history ,yo. Here on the east end residential and most commercial construction projects are NON UNION thank God. Why would an employer pay out the azz, provide rediculously expensive benefits and have to put up with non productive workers when he can hire GREAT workers with the same skills and pay less for them? Pay a good wage and you get good help, let the market dictate what that is, keep the extortionists out of hte equation.Peace out.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 7, 10 7:10 AM
oh no, the unions are great, they love local 84 and exist to take care and look out for its members. they make sure the work is of the highest quality and that the focus always remains there - and this is often done at the expense of union leaders who have dedicated themselves to improving the lives of workers. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Save the boo for Halloween.
By dylan32 (64), east hampton on Sep 7, 10 7:37 AM
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Alinsky’s method of community organization is working, and I for one am loving watching you folk panic as you lose you grip on the power. Whether you like it or not redistribution of wealth is necessary to balance out the playing field. and unions are one of the best means to that end.Like the president said last year some people have made enough money. now move over while we bring social justice to a theater near you.
By local 84 (353), riverhead on Sep 7, 10 10:36 AM
you wallow in your underachievement, and you continue to think all of that nonsense. in the meantime, that whizzing sound is life and your potential passing you by. hopefully you find the confidence to achieve greatness for yourself rather than feel like you don't have the abilities and need to parasite off of someone else's hard work. the funny thing is that the playing field is reality..its life...and life ain't ever going to be fair. there is no greater feeling than earning for yourself. ...more
By dylan32 (64), east hampton on Sep 7, 10 12:36 PM
What are you talking about?
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 7, 10 2:08 PM
dylan32 has probably never heard of the Glass-Steagall Act, or the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, or even ever heard of a guy named Matt Taibbi who has a louder voice than I ever have, thanks to the great people at Rolling Stone.

He doesn't realize how the people whose "wealth" support us, have damned us in a Catch-22 thanks to the cost of living they have imposed, and the pathetic circus they participated in to not only create fiscal wealth out of the aether, but also engaged in a degree of reckless ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 7, 10 5:52 PM
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Just noticed that the Press is offering downloads of Mr. Morrow's idealized, concept art! Wow, you have crossed the line from softball journalism to actual advocation and it is inappropriate and shameful.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Sep 9, 10 1:33 PM
Inappropriate and shameful? How so? They are if anything providing information in an easily accessible way. I didn't detect a for or against stand in the article. You should be thankful they provide the ability to see the concept in a larger more detailed form than what is shown in the images accompanying the article. Seeing it in more detail should help you pick it a part more thoroughly.
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Sep 9, 10 5:23 PM
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Check this out...


I don't think there could be a more out of character design for Tuckahoe, might as well put palm trees in the walkways!
By flyonthewall (30), Southampton on Sep 9, 10 10:08 PM
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These images provided by the developer are an idealized rendering meant to SELL folks on this development. Why should a newspaper provide these files for download? I have seen this drawings and what they offer is a false choice.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Sep 10, 10 9:23 AM
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I completely agree with progressnow. Providing these idealized renderings is a step too far. The article itself is enough of a fluff piece. Making a developer's artist renderings available for download on a newspaper site is a terrible idea and, quite frankly, suspect.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Sep 10, 10 10:48 AM
Mr. Z, I am unsure, but it appears that this dylan person was responding to an aggressive person with a sense of entitlement and a very deranged appreciation for some quite radical methods of wealth distribution...not really applicable to this article at all. This sounds a lot different than your situation which is unfortunately, but it doesn't sound like you have that same sort of attitude. Although you do look to waste your time being upset at "those in power" that dictate what you are wroth ...more
By Sparkibew (28), southampton on Sep 9, 10 6:06 PM
It's more about Plutonomy, than paranoia and delusion.

My Grandfather built, and owned his own home on solely his own income, raised four children, AND retired without issue.

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 11, 10 12:36 AM
you're ''talking'' to it. still here - despite 'the man' doing their damnest to squash it. that's why ppl are coming by the millions.
By Sparkibew (28), southampton on Sep 11, 10 8:59 AM
Well, I don't know about you, but it is simply not possible for me to do what my Grandfather did. Retiring looked good up until two years ago, now, not so much.

If you own your own home out here, are on your fourth child at 37 years old, your spouse is a housewife who only has to work at a career if she chooses to, and you are set to retire at 65 with your home already paid for, more power to you.

The "Good Life" is gone, along with Leisurama. Destroyed by greed, and avarice. ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 11, 10 8:47 PM