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Dec 28, 2012 4:18 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Decision On Religious Boundary Lawsuits Could Come This Year

Jan 19, 2013 2:35 PM

Additionally, the group wants the court to prohibit Verizon and LIPA from allowing the EEEA from using their utility poles to create the boundary, and is requesting that the defendants pay the JPOE’s legal fees.

Jonathan Sinnreich, an attorney with the Central Islip law firm Sinnreich Kosakoff and Messina LLP that is representing JPOE, said that in late October both Verizon and the EEEA filed motions asking that his clients’ suit be dismissed. He said his clients intend to respond as necessary to ensure that their case is heard.

“I think this is a difficult constitutional issue and it is clearly an issue that is going to be decided ultimately by the higher court,” Mr. Sinnreich said, suggesting that, whatever the outcome, there will be an appeal. “We all know that, and whatever the outcome is before Judge Wexler this case is going, at least, to the Court of Appeals, if not higher, and it should be because it is a difficult and complex issue.”

Mr. Sokoloff, meanwhile, said he plans to file a motion, on behalf of Westhampton Beach, requesting that the JPOE lawsuit also be dismissed.

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"mostly invisible" is that like a little pregnant?
By circaWHB (9), Westhampton Beach on Jan 18, 13 12:47 PM
"mostly invisible" is that like a little pregnant?
By circaWHB (9), Westhampton Beach on Jan 18, 13 12:48 PM
mostly ignorant, is that like a little stupid?
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Jan 18, 13 1:26 PM
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Seperation of church and state is the law of the land, for EVERYONE, there are none above the law.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 18, 13 5:19 PM
Well, thats' nice in hypothesis.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 18, 13 8:52 PM
LIPA is a state entity, and owns a majority share of the utility poles.

Here's where I "turn poeple off" ": Isn't religion really just a cheap way to explain science?

Before the periodic table, there was Earth, Air, Fire, Water, and later Aether.

WE'VE GOT A NEW DEMI-GOD!! You're gonna' love 'im!!!
Jan 18, 13 8:49 PM appended by Mr. Z
My Agnosticism is not a lack of faith. It's a lack of faith in religion. I have chosen to have faith in knowledge, and emipirical data, as well as faith in humanity. Do you need faith to believe in proving theory? Absolutely. Faith is not about religion. It's about hope. Just for reference...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 18, 13 8:49 PM
I'd agree that Religion to fill holes in science is absurd. Read "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court". That in effect is the essence of the book.

Yet logic woks here. If you found a rock would you say it was divinely placed at that spot? No. Two rocks in a row? No. A string of rocks in a row..maybe but most likely not because our observation is that rocks are usually random and perhaps there was a hand that laid these in a line. What is that line went alway around the earth. ...more
By Hambone (514), New York on Jan 19, 13 9:16 AM
Well, there is this thing called a glacial moraine.

I've seen the wind roll snowballs.

Nature is full of "odd" behavior...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 21, 13 9:48 PM
Just for the record I am against any stupid religious "law". Asked once what I gave up for Lent, I responded "religions with dietary restrictions".

To have a rule that you go through all these machinations to basically subvert the rule is silly. This reeks of a bunch of 5 year olds in clubhouse who make rules to keep people out but make exceptions to justify what they do and with whom they do it.

Harsh...maybe so. But I can't wait to see the first stroller being pushed from ...more
By Hambone (514), New York on Jan 19, 13 9:21 AM
God created Man and Woman and all was well with the world.....Then they made religion. The theory of the Eruv is like the Second Amendment. Alot got lost in translation over the centuries.
By lazymedic (100), southampton on Jan 19, 13 10:53 AM
Actually, my understanding is that the eruv was created in rabbinical law, not in the Talmud so it probably does not date back "over the centuries". Can someone in the know tell us the circumstances involved in establishing the first eruv and how it has progressed to where we are today?
By VOS (1241), WHB on Jan 19, 13 11:53 AM
so it was created by a mere mortal, not God ? Read jewish history. This law stems from the building of one of the original temples, which, by the by, wasn't last year. There are volumes written about the Eruv. As a non-Jew, I find Jewish history fascinating and in many ways relevant to life today. That said, erecting Eruvs on telephone poles is a stretch. Consider if you will, distributing a map to the faithful with the boundries delineated. Gets the same job done without the controversy. Everybody ...more
By lazymedic (100), southampton on Jan 19, 13 3:32 PM
"Dad, why do adults fight over little symbols on telephone poles?"
"Because we are stupid, son."
"Oh, that's what I thought. Can we get ice cream now?"
"Sure."
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 19, 13 12:39 PM
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Dad. What happens when the shoe is on the other foot? Oh thats another story!
By realistic (472), westhampton on Jan 19, 13 4:51 PM
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This made me giggle :)
By Terbear (77), Southampton on Jan 26, 13 5:47 PM
The attorneys' fees for this entire situation to be resolved could be staggering over the next decade [sic].

Do the various state and federal courts have the authority to require that the parties post a bond for all costs and fees if they lose?

Is there a motion in any court to combine all cases in one venue (normally this would be a federal court)?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jan 19, 13 12:55 PM
"Jewish People for the Betterment of Westhampton Beach" has filed a federal lawsuit to prohibit the eruv on constitutional grounds. While I cannot read the article, I assume that it refers only to to state lawsuits filed by E3A against Quogue and Westhampton Beach. Being a superior court, the federal suit is the only meaningful one. Nothing will happen until IT is decided, probably on appeal.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 19, 13 7:50 PM
Push or pull something in defiance of The Almighty in front of MY house on the Sabbath? Better think twice, I've got water balloons.
By loading... (601), quiogue on Jan 23, 13 9:35 AM
better fill them on Friday
By Hambone (514), New York on Jan 25, 13 9:24 AM
um, no....Friday is holy to Pastafarians!
By loading... (601), quiogue on Jan 25, 13 7:25 PM
I thought Wednesday was Prince Spaghetti Day...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 25, 13 7:29 PM
Eruv is just an excuse to do stuff your religion says you shouldn't do. In my apartment building in NYC, one of the many home networks that came up was "eruv (followed by numbers)" I mean come on. You want to be super-duper-orthodox religious person but you need to be on the Internet on the sabbath? Please. If you want to observe sabbath rules, then observe sabbath rules. I have inlaws who are orthodox -- not ultra orthodox. They obey sabbath rules because that's part of their identity. They don't ...more
By btdt (449), water mill on Jan 27, 13 12:35 AM