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Aug 14, 2018 3:55 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

President Donald Trump To Fly Into Gabreski Airport On Friday

President Donald Trump. PRESS FILE
Aug 15, 2018 10:45 AM

President Donald Trump is scheduled to arrive on Air Force One at Francis S. Gabreski Airport in Westhampton on Friday morning at 11:50 a.m., according to a statement issued by the White House Press Office.

According to Blair Ellis, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, Mr. Trump is attending a fundraising luncheon with RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel on Friday afternoon. Ms. Ellis noted that the event will support the Trump Victory Committee, a joint fundraising effort for Mr. Trump’s 2020 campaign and the RNC.

Citing sources, Bloomberg reported Tuesday that the fundraiser will be at the Southampton estate of Manhattan developer Howard Lorber, who was a Trump campaign adviser in 2016 and is executive chairman of Nathan’s Famous Inc., the hot dog company.

Earlier this week officials from the Suffolk County Republican Committee said that Mr. Trump will be attending a private event on the island, but provided no additional information on the president’s schedule while on the East End.

Chris Boyle, the campaign communications director for U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin, declined to share any information on Tuesday regarding the president’s visit to the South Fork.

The director of regional communications at the White House, Vanessa Morrone, would not provide any further information on Tuesday afternoon, noting only that it would be “an open press arrival” at Gabreski.

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The west president in the history of the United States is coming to instill his lies and pitch for Lee Zeldin another pos!
By lursagirl (245), southampton on Aug 14, 18 4:26 PM
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That's worst president!
By lursagirl (245), southampton on Aug 14, 18 4:27 PM
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The butt hurt continues with you, lol :D
By Jaws (245), Amity Island on Aug 14, 18 7:13 PM
Air Force 1 pilots better keep an eye on the weather report, forecast says there's a chance of golden showers in the afternoon.
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 14, 18 4:45 PM
The Wurst president! His people were Southern Krauts after all.
By Just sitting on the taffrail (41), Southampton on Aug 14, 18 4:45 PM
I hope someone gave Rabbi Uhrbach a heads up so she has enough time to organize a protest. Of course one with no “slant”
By Stolzr (11), Bridgehampton on Aug 14, 18 4:53 PM
The Nazy Huggers will be getting together.

What part of "Jews will not replace us!" did Zeldin not get?
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on Aug 14, 18 6:36 PM
...as if Friday traffic isn't bad enough...
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Aug 14, 18 7:17 PM
The East of LI is closed to racists and bigots..
By sandydog21 (195), Southampton on Aug 14, 18 7:44 PM
Little Lee will no doubt be out there to pay homage, standing reverentially on the tarmac waiting for Big Donald to notice and maybe even acknowledge him.

I can hear Big Donald now, talking to whomever it is that reminds him of these things: “Who’d you say? Meldin? No. Feldin? No, Zeldin, OK. He’s the congressman? Funny lookin’ guy, looks like he’s scared someone’ll say something to him. OK, OK, I’ll give him a shout-out. Whaddya want me to ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Aug 14, 18 7:55 PM
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This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Hamptonsway (107), Southampton on Aug 14, 18 8:21 PM
I hope he posts a comment here!!! He must of heard about us!
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Aug 14, 18 8:44 PM
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This is worth the price of sedition....I mean, admission.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Aug 14, 18 8:50 PM
Read the above 10 comments from anti-Trumpers. 10 lies, 10 hate filled comments, and not a single correct fact. Typical for a modern Democrat supporter.
By Spinny OHO (94), Speonk on Aug 14, 18 8:55 PM
Prevaricator in Chief

President Trump has made 3,001 false or misleading claims so far

By Glenn Kessler, Salvador Rizzo and Meg Kelly
May 1, 2018

In the 466 days since he took the oath of office, President Trump has made 3,001 false or misleading claims, according to The Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement uttered by the president.

That’s an average of nearly 6.5 claims a day.

When we first ...more
Aug 15, 18 4:15 AM appended by Mr. Z
Typical "right wing" bully, dish it but can't take it tactics. Can't take your own medicine. SAD!!!
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 15, 18 4:15 AM
I don't peelieve I said anything hateful.
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 9:13 AM
My statement still stands correct no matter what made up fake statistics ( without evidence ) you post.
By Spinny OHO (94), Speonk on Aug 15, 18 8:02 PM
So "golden showers" was supposed to bea compliment?
By Spinny OHO (94), Speonk on Aug 15, 18 8:04 PM
Nope.

You just don't like the sauce prepped for the gander.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 15, 18 8:29 PM
How many did they count for HILLARY?
?
By unclemilt (57), southampton on Aug 20, 18 9:42 AM
MAGA
By A Great American (103), East Quogue on Aug 14, 18 8:57 PM
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Mueller
Ain't
Goin
Away
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 9:43 AM
Will Donald Trump Jr. be going to the Boardy Barn on Sunday? He's a classy guy, he would like that vibe and could find a new wife there like the last one:
"Trump Jr. proposed to her with a $100,000 ring that he got for free from a jeweler in exchange for proposing to her in front of paparazzi outside of the jeweler's store in a New Jersey mall."
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Aug 14, 18 9:29 PM
Did you mean to post that on 27 east or your sorority’s Facebook page?
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 4:56 AM
So many bitter people out here. Mother said keep your mouth closed if you can't say nice things about people, WOW. JMO
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Aug 14, 18 9:39 PM
Thumper's rule!
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 8:38 AM
Im sure all the people who have benefited from his administration will have checks waiting to give back to him (made out to the US Govt) for the stock gains, and examples of all the illegals they have taken in for the open border policies they want. The examples should include homes being provided, English lessons given, housing, medical care, schooling for their children, etc. If they talk the talk they should walk the walk. Oh lets not forget he jobs they provided for the illegals. lets see folks. ...more
By realistic (472), westhampton on Aug 14, 18 9:53 PM
The party of "love and tolerance" is showing their true colors tonight in the first ten comments. The more you spew your hate and vitriol the more people will continue to distance themselves from your party. It is like a bunch of feral chihuahuas in an echo chamber.
By localEH (427), East Hampton on Aug 14, 18 9:53 PM
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There's a difference between jocund, and flat out hate or lies.

It seems the "right wing" can't tell the difference. Trump's behavior has made himself such an easy target for lampooning. Sad...
Aug 15, 18 4:19 AM appended by Mr. Z
It seems the "right wing" has gone full blown psychological projection. Sad...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 15, 18 4:19 AM
Thanks for your hateful rhetoric!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 18 7:24 AM
"Mother said keep your mouth closed if you can't say nice things about people" -- mother may have said that but President Donald Trump never did. Sauce Goose, Sauce Gander.
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Aug 15, 18 4:53 AM
Recently on Twitter, Donald Trump has referred to Omarosa as a "dog," "wacky," a "lowlife," "deranged" and "vicious."

Guess he didn't get the memo...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 15, 18 5:28 AM
We elected someone that hits back. That’s what we we’re lacking for 8 yrs
Aug 15, 18 6:06 AM appended by SlimeAlive
“Were”
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 6:06 AM
Some to hit back at whom and for what reason?
Aug 15, 18 7:25 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Someone
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 18 7:25 AM
we now have a president who has a backbone , Barak Hussein Obama did not , He apologized for American exceptionalism at every turn. Thank God that's over with.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 15, 18 7:32 AM
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Well that's not what I asked but ok.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 18 7:38 AM
Bigfresh, thanks for the distorted revisionist view of history. Obama only apologized to the Japanese for a vile act by an American service member.trump is nothing but a bully, he uses his bully pulpit to attack all perceived enemies. He tells more lies then any president, ever. Keep your delusional thoughts flowing, it still doesn’t make them true.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 7:51 AM
Barak Hussein Obama's leading from behind philosophy , His apology tour when first inaugurated and general feckless , weak leadership might have sat well with some limp wristed leftists but did nothing to further our interests abroad.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 15, 18 8:54 AM
Bigfresh, Barack Obama’s weak leadership got him two terms in office and higher approval ratings then the loser in chief trump.As to your limp wrist remark, grow up. If you think trumps a strong leader, go get your head examined, it’s not working anymore. Cracks me up you assume he’s strong, he’s a weak bully. Talks a great game, when confronted, shriveles up and lies. Good job bigfresh. Limp wrist, pathetic.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 9:02 AM
" higher approval ratings than the loser in chief "

There have been numerous time during President Trump's first term that his approval rating has been higher than Obama's during the same period, you simply have no credibility or honor. Here we are, all this time into our great President's term, and despite a like minded progressive literally trying to slaughter every Republican member of congress (remember that?), you still have nothing but impotent rage. As we post another Supreme Court ...more
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on Aug 15, 18 9:25 AM
Moron, with your name it’s a miracle you haven’t self destructed and disappeared. Good going on the Supreme Court appointment, and why did that happen. Maybe the obstructionist republicans had something to do with that. Your hilarious calling trump a name calling hate filled pathetic soul, but true, for once your spot on.your right both houses and the president, speaking of impotent, how getting rid of Obamacare going. Incompetent president leading with both houses weak and unified. ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 9:35 AM
Hubris is not exceptionalism.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 15, 18 5:07 PM
Slimey, you’ve elected a low moral bully. Something we’ve never had in office.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 6:12 AM
Maybe Trumps tire will blow out an he’ll have to visit Whippy for a new tire. Free lunch anyone ? MAGA!
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Aug 15, 18 6:38 AM
Maybe Trumps tire will blow out an he’ll have to visit Whippy for a new tire. Free lunch anyone ? MAGA!
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Aug 15, 18 6:38 AM
Tuesday, August 14, 2018

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.

MAGA
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 15, 18 7:59 AM
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And boy will his arms be tired.

MAGA!
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 15, 18 8:02 AM
The lying MSM doesn't want to hear about 700k jobs created for African Americans. They're too busy trying to figure out how to take down Trump, the hell with Americans prospering...
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Aug 15, 18 8:30 AM
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Undocumented, you mean lying trump , right? Dang the media for calling truth to power.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 8:39 AM
Obama took the African-American unemployment from 12.7% to 7.8%. It's was a ski slope graph. As usual donnie braggadocio wants to take all the credit after Obama ran the ball to the five yard line and the child-liar-in-chief ran it into the end zone. Where were you touting those facts during Obama's reign?
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 9:22 AM
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Mets fan, the right was still denying he was American, those birthers were a fun loving group.now we have the leader of the movement as president, who would of thought that?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 9:28 AM
Zeldins Hamptons fundraisers are held at Joe and Kristen Farrell’s Sandcastle.
By G (342), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 9:48 AM
Hot Dog MAGAnate hosting at Southampton Village manse. Hope no one was planning to go to any beaches in the area Friday.
By deepchanel (89), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 18 10:05 AM
Geee Wilbur...
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on Aug 15, 18 10:16 AM
deepchanel, maybe trump will make an appearance at coopers, in his speedo. Would be trumps answer to Putin’s shirtless pics.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 10:28 AM
I apologize for writing that comment, that’s a horrible image I can’t get out of my head.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 10:42 AM
Perhaps The Donald would consider making a personal appearance in Montauk.

That might take some of the sting out of his boy Zeldin's most recent disappointing performance. (His failure to prevent Superstorm Sandy funds that were supposed to be used to renourish the Montauk oceanfront from being redirected to other congressional districts.)
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 15, 18 10:18 AM
I'll bet anyone here ten bucks (I ain't wealthy) that the President spends some time at Wilbur Ross' place on Great Plains Road. Wilbur Ross and Carl Ichahn may be the two people who have most influenced the policy decisions of the Orange one.
By Aeshtron (431), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 10:41 AM
Democrats never mention which policies of Trump's have impacted them negatively. In fact they never mention policy at all.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 15, 18 11:28 AM
I frequently raise the issue of unsustainable Trump tax cuts.

Pulling out of TPP also hurt our influence in Asia which may have been helpful in this trade war.

Whether the travel ban actually keeps us safe is also an open question, but at least it's sufficiently removed from the original proposal for a religious test.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 18 11:36 AM
It would be great if he would spend the weekend as the Presidents presence curtails the air traffic and maybe we could have a quieter weekend...
By North Sea Citizen (568), North Sea on Aug 15, 18 11:38 AM
Even flow, bringing coal back. More mercury in the water and acid rain , for one. Opening offshore drilling. Although no impact yet, never a good outcome.rolling back the EPA rules effect us more then before. That’s a few
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 11:40 AM
Miscreants and sore losers ... I love our President and the way he has kept his promises. IMO You all sound like an angry village mob. Can't think of one thing the media has done to reduce the unemployment rate of minorities. I can't decide what is more BORING, the Propaganda MSM with yet more "Trump is a racist" gibberish, or Gold digger Omarosa desperately trying to cash in on the "Bash Trump" Industry run by the Propaganda MSM, To HELL with her baloney, and the lie factory that is the Bash Trump ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Aug 15, 18 11:41 AM
Miscreants and sore losers? Thanks for your hateful rhetoric!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 18 11:43 AM
Hateful ? LOL are you made of Sugar ? I have heard 20 examples of worse on MSNBC and CNN in the last few days. LOL
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 15, 18 11:48 AM
What's hateful about referring to someone who "behaves badly or in a way that breaks the law?" It sounds accurate, painful as that might be upon self-reflection.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 15, 18 11:49 AM
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Po Boy , thanks for re- inforcing how trump actually is.its not hateful talking about trump, he behaves badly and breaks the law. Thanks for bringing it up.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 12:02 PM
Undocumented, angry mob after the village idiot, trump.fake media, right. Faux and friends is the real deal.the presidents propaganda machine.funny how your attacking Omarosa now, former $150 k plus advisor was in high regards when working. Trump sure does surround himself with lots of losers.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 12:10 PM
Please share your examples Joe. Generalizations and name-calling about a larger group of people who don't like the president based on the actions of some members who engage in criminal acts is indeed hateful and divisive.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 18 12:36 PM
The election of Donald Trump didn't create the lefts hate,
it revealed it.
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Aug 15, 18 11:54 AM
It's true, guys. I hate racists.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 15, 18 4:13 PM
Ditch bum, shoes on the other foot now. How’s it feel? Trumps boorish behavior deserves every bit of criticism.loud mouth bully gets what’s deserved.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 12:04 PM
Politics aside,
What will this mean for traffic near the airport, based on previous presidential visits?
By quioguebirdfreak (25), quiogue on Aug 15, 18 12:27 PM
Birdfreak, I’m sure it will have zero impact. He’s still the president,inconvenience comes with the scenery.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 12:42 PM
Nobody on this forum better go prank calling Air Force One now.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 2:25 PM
SDG, call Air Force one and give wrong directions to McDonald’s. That would start a Twitter tirade.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 2:31 PM
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I am totally blown away at the hate filled comments. If people acted like this when Obama was President they would be labeled as racist and un American. Fact-Trump is not a politician and never claimed to be one. Fact Two-He is not PC and doesn't care, he is not trying to impress you. Fact Three-He has done more good in the less than 2 years in office then Obama did in 8. Yes he has lied, stretched the truth, said things that are morally wrong. Who hasn't? The old saying "those who live in ...more
By yanks27titles (15), eastport on Aug 15, 18 3:40 PM
People actually acted worse. Remember the protestors lynching and burning Obama look-alike dummies? They were most definitely labeled as racist and un-American.
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 4:27 PM
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Fake News:

"Nationwide Burning of Effigies and Images of President Hussein Obama"

"James Madison, John Tyler, Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Jimmy Carter were all burned in effigy during their presidencies. And each time this happened, the offending party leaders repudiated the distasteful and disrespectful actions of their constituents."

~ Kimberly Mehlman-Orzoco, Ph.D.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 15, 18 11:40 PM
Yanks27, does the birther movement ring a bell, that’s overt racism.trump was the founder of that movement. Trumps not a politician? Guess what he’s in politics, that makes him a what? Yes a politician.no he’s not pc , as you say. I say politically correct means acting like a decent human being. To that , trump has acted like a low morals bully.he has done more good? That’s a load, he’s divided this country like no other modern president, with his divisive rhetoric ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 3:58 PM
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Welcome to the East End, Sir - an honor to have you here.
By foodandshelter (4), on Aug 15, 18 5:17 PM
Who hired Amoroso? Who didn't show his tax returns? The orange orangutan is creating all his own problems. Surround himself with the best people? How could a classless, lowlife, horn dog possibly know what to look for in a person? It'll all turn to crap in the end, that's what happens to toxic losers, whether it's the long string of bankrupt businesses or mangled family relationships that already has happened.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 5:21 PM
Yeah, he does make Franklin Pierce look good.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 15, 18 8:33 PM
Bu Bye Brennan
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 15, 18 8:44 PM
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Just to clear up the notion of Trump’s long string of bankruptcies: Nearly 90% of all hotels in the US were in default during the early 1990’s. The industry was overly built, overly financed, and recession-hit, and we were at war in the Gulf, with travel down, resulting in an industry-wide collapse with a tsunami of bankruptcy filings. Trump’s bankruptcies weren’t unique. 4 of Trump’s 6 corporate bankruptcies occurred in ‘92 when the industry had hit its absolute ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 8:58 AM
I am astounded that any Viet Nam veterans (or any hard-core Republican) voted for a lying draft-dodger.
By Non-Political (125), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 18 5:32 PM
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Remember when the Left used to hate the intelligence agencies. Now after they've taken them over, and subverted them, and are using them to undermine our republic and duly elected officials, they love the intelligence agencies.Former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director John Brennan called President Donald Trump’s decision Wednesday to revoke his security clearance an “attempt to suppress freedom of speech” lol You mean like Fakebook and Google censoring the Internet last ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 15, 18 8:41 PM
Remember those you malign who uphold the spirit of the law. I have met quite a few personally.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 15, 18 8:47 PM
They call me, good analogy. Unfortunately Facebook and google are private companies. Your fearless leader, trump, is the govt. the govt is suppressing Brennan’s freedom of speech. Maybe you enjoy the govt suppressing free speech, I don’t.Trump has got the thin skin of a grape, it’s his way insinuating he’s in charge.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 8:57 PM
president trump does not have to insinuate anything because he IS in charge !
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Aug 15, 18 10:57 PM
Did he find Greenspan's "flaw" yet?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 15, 18 11:03 PM
WINNING
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Aug 15, 18 11:48 PM
Erin , maybe some day he will act like the leader of the free world, not some petulant child.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 5:19 AM
"The govt is suppressing Brennan’s freedom of speech."

That's hysterical and further indication that your whole "freedom of speech thing," like Brennan's, is way out of whack. Security clearances can be revoked at any time, for a laundry list of reasons t which Brennan placed several into question. Guideline I for example, cites: Emotional, mental, and personality disorders. “A condition or treatment that may indicate a defect in judgment, reliability, or stability.” Failure ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 16, 18 8:13 AM
Po Boy, it wasn’t my opinion, it was a retort to a prior post. They were comparing Facebook to the govt. thanks for the explanation of what constitutes revoking a security clearance. What explanation goes with the president having thin skin and not wanting anyone to criticize his actions. Bring on more sycophants.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 8:47 AM
Where do political reasons fall on that list?

I do think, absent some rational rationale, this would be an arbitrary and capricious decision made to deter political criticism, which is an unconstitutional motive for state action, if inferred by a court.

Granted, there is broad discretion involved and this suppression of speech doesn't rise to the level of a first amendment violation.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 16, 18 8:51 AM
@ Po Boy

Truly, the Far-Right is a continuous wellspring of irony. Imagine devotees of The Donald challenging the mental stability of SOMEONE ELSE!

You won't hear any (profoundly embarrassed) mainstream Republicans endorsing Trump's vindictiveness. Only the lunatic fringe professes belief that this is anything other than petulant revenge.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 16, 18 10:11 AM
Well, if anyone knows lunatic fringe and petulant....

Sorry Fred, my bad for assuming when someone posts "the govt is suppressing Brennan’s freedom of speech" without attributing it to another, it's actually their opinion. Interestingly, Obama was considered "a terrible" free speech President by the former president of the ACLU....and crickets. Ahhh, the irony.

Political reasons don't fall on that list. Unfortunately for Brennan, he himself has provided all the actual ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 16, 18 1:24 PM
Po Boy, thanks for the insult and the straw man retort. I know the right likes to make everything about Obama and Hillary, but trump, unfortunately is in office.Brennans firing was a direct result of trumps thin skin. You think he’s great for breaking all the norms of the presidency,unfortunately he’s ruining our country at the same time. As to lunatic fringe and petulants, if the shoe fits, trumps wearing it.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 1:44 PM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

"And hat, if you're not hearing mainstream Republicans endorsing the Present's action, you're simply not listening."
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Your assertion is easily proven, Po Boy, just cite some.

Contrarily, here's what Republican senator Bob Cocker said a month ago when the possibility of Trump's revoking the security clearances of former officials who had been critical of him was first raised:
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"'I ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 16, 18 2:38 PM
A month ago? LOL... you're statement says "You won't hear any."

This is why I don't bother. A bloviating misdirection of hate filled hogwash.
Aug 17, 18 9:26 AM appended by Po Boy
“I support it, “ Sen. James Risch, R-Idaho, who is a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 17, 18 9:26 AM
@ Po Boy

James Risch is a member of the "Tea Party Caucus". Only you and your extremist bedfellows would consider him "mainstream".

Bob Corker REPEATED his "banana republic" analogy just a few days ago.

You should really consider changing your posting policy again, Po Boy. Degrading your replies from reasoned (if inept) analysis to vacuous, non-responsive eructations obviously hasn't worked. As your latest response shows, even a few lines are sufficient to demonstrate ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 18, 18 11:23 AM
Key GOP senators say they have no issue with Trump revoking Brennan's security clearance By Manu Raju, Lauren Fox, Daniella Diaz and Clare Foran, CNN

"Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, the chamber's second-ranking Republican, said Thursday he doesn't understand why former employees have access to classified information at all."
Aug 19, 18 1:40 PM appended by Po Boy
Face it hat, the only thing "mainstream" about Corker is he is part of the establishment and wants himself and the other cronies to keep their security clearance so they can monetize it when they're out the door and your failure to see that exposes the entrenched nature of the establishment as the real problem.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 19, 18 1:40 PM
Po Boy, you can’t have it both ways. Is cnn , fake news , or real news?very disingenuous of you, one day fake news , one day using it to make your point. What it proves is your a giant hypocrite or cnn is real news.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 19, 18 4:22 PM
It's beautiful Fred! But you're misrepresenting anything I've said about CNN. Case in point, comparison to news from Infowars....you have to be able to dissect and review with a critical mind what's actually legitimate news. Some can do this. Others, not so much.

1988 Navy vs. Egan, Uh-oh....The court decided it was up to the executive branch to make the decision about the merits of a security clearance denial. DOH!


By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 19, 18 6:42 PM
Po Boy, that is such a ridiculous statement . “You have to be able to dissect and review with a critical mind what’s actually legitimate news”.if that’s the case, your fellow right leaning posters can’t figure out fake news from real. As to you, there’s no guarantee your getting it right either.As to security clearance, why the big uh-oh? If that’s the law so be it. Trump is using his executive powers to silence a critic, plain and simple.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 19, 18 6:53 PM
1988 Navy vs. Egan,
Aug 19, 18 10:13 PM appended by Po Boy
The court decided it was up to the executive branch to make the decision about the merits of a security clearance denial
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 19, 18 10:13 PM
@ Po Boy

Would that be Ol' "Mainstream" John Cornyn, perchance, the pole star of Right-Wing senatorial extremists (and a fellow member, with the referenced James Risch, of the Tea Party Caucus?)

Whether Navy v. Egan grants the president unqualified authority regarding security clearances is disputable.* But that's hardly the point. Trump is wielding a power intended to protect our nation as his personal weapon of punishment against a patriot who said mean things about him.

It's ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 20, 18 3:48 AM
The SCOTUS says you and your opinion are wrong and the accuracy of your opinion further erodes given the despicable behavior of Brennan which allows for plenty of interpretation that support using the "Guidelines for Revoking a Security Clearance" to revoke his clearance.

Revoking security clearances for access to classified information is within the President’s authority even IF the SCOTUS strayed from that core issue and discussed presidential powers under Article II as Fisher ...more
Aug 20, 18 8:56 AM appended by Po Boy
"Asked whether he was troubled by Trump's decision, South Carolina Republican Sen. Tim Scott responded, "why should I find it to be troubling?" "I don't think it's retribution," Scott told CNN. "However, I think it's clear that Brennan has found a way to monetize a part of his national security clearance and I'm not sure how that served our national security."
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 20, 18 8:56 AM
@ Po Boy

Unlike YOUR naked opinion, my cited reference is to a respected legal scholar's analysis. The Supreme Court decision simply does NOT say what you claim it does. It did not deem the presidential authority to be either "plenary or exclusive.".

To reiterate, however, whether The Donald COULD revoke Brennan's security clearance is irrelevant. The point is that it was a contemptible act of retribution by the Petulant-Child-In-Chief that embarrasses all conscientious Americans.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 20, 18 10:27 AM
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LOL, the real point is the President's authority to revoke Brennan's security clearance is completely relevant. Brennan by his own words and behavior provided sufficient cause to revoke his clearance. If you have some smoking gun of proof it was an "act of retribution," I'm all ears. Otherwise, it's simply your opinion. Example after example can be put on the table that demonstrates Brennan's violation of security clearance revocation guidance.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 20, 18 8:47 PM
@ Po Boy

Smoking gun? Can you smell the cordite from THIS admission, Po Boy(?):

"[I]t was with a strange sense of déjà vu [of Trump's previous firing of James Comey] that many read Trump’s Wednesday night interview with The Wall Street Journal, wherein he suggested that the security clearance of former C.I.A. director John Brennan was not revoked over fears that he would spill classified secrets on cable news, as the White House claimed, but because of the key ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 21, 18 12:03 AM
That's all sizzle and no steak reported in a manner that creates the allusion of what Trump said. Something the media has gotten very good at. What he simply stated was:

“I call it the rigged witch hunt, [it] is a sham,” Trump said in the interview. “And these people led it!” He added, “So I think it’s something that had to be done.”

So, this would seem to be CONSISTENT with the statement released from the WH that stated the revocation ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 21, 18 12:41 PM
Po Boy, Eratic conduct and behavior? Have you listened to the Twitter in Chief? I think he’s up to 8 veritable lies a day, multiply that by his time in office, he doesn’t know the truth.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 21, 18 12:53 PM
For example?

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 21, 18 1:12 PM
Po Boy, “us steel said they are starting six new steel mills”. From aug 2nd. Go to politifact, it will be enlightening
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 21, 18 1:58 PM
LOL, "8 veritable lies a day" and you have to go back to August 2nd? And not even a tweet? And this is what I love about fact checking sites. While the statement itself may be false, the ruling ignores what they clearly acknowledge..."Between restarts, new mills and expansions, the steel industry has seen significant investment this year.....U.S. Steel is restarting two shuttered mills. Other companies are re-opening or building a few other mills."
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 21, 18 4:59 PM
On the 10th he lied about most of the money the NFL makes going to the players. On the 12th he lied about unemployment being the lowest it had been in 50 years.

There's lots of different sources keeping lists if you care to look. But you don't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 18 5:04 PM
Oh, I'm well aware of the lists and they're laughable. Problem being, they take much out of context - meaning - they're full of $h*t. Certainly as has been expressed here, "up to 8 veritable lies a day" is laughable as well.

Like yourself Fore, the fact check sites lose credibility when they need to hang their worth on debating the definition of terms like "most", while reluctantly no doubt acknowledging the intent of the statement, For example, "In 2017, the NFL ownership kept a little ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 21, 18 6:44 PM
A Po Boy

Yes, Po Boy, that's precisely what he said, and, since he SAID it in a WSJ interview inquiring about the lifting of Brennan's security clearance, the clear meaning (to all but the commitedly blind Far-Right) is that he lifted it in retaliation for Brennan doing his duty in the Russia probe. (I know, from your response of just a few posts further on, how highly you prize CONTEXT in the facilitation of understanding.)

The White House Press Office issuance of a gloss that ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 22, 18 12:07 AM
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Po Boy, this from a guy who hears someone on tv, and uses what they say to bolster your argument. How do we know you didn’t embellish the statement? That’s why legitimate news articles are accepted as proof of a story. You attack politifact as fake, but we are supposed to believe your account of something you seen on tv. Your credibility has dipped below your esteemed leaders numbers. Weak arguments backed up by unsubstantiated facts. You are the unpolitifact of this site, or as every ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 6:15 AM
So let me get this straight Fred, you're in a tizzy because you can't stand the fact that we agree on your ultimate admission MS-13 crosses the border (the level which you were going to provide data but haven't) and can't/won't fathom the possibility that Border Patrol has encountered MS-13 members using family relationships to enter the country illegally?

I wondering because I'm not certain whether your issue is with me, the Border Patrol or defense of MS-13. It's difficult to tell.

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 22, 18 9:50 AM
Po Boy, your lame accusations are just that lame. I never said ms-13 didn’t cross the border. Do you know ms-13 was started here in the USA.I never said I was upset some of them try to get in as family members. I said you use the weakest of weak citations to back up your weak arguments. “ I seen it on tv”. Keep trying to reframe your argument to fit your weak facts. You can also keep going over and over the same thing, parsing words. Your like your hero Bill Clinton, it depends ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 10:19 AM
Right Fred, you said ""do you think ms-13 members are showing up in family groups?" to which I said, "Well, um, yes. It's one reason why the family is separated, so that the nature of the relationship can be determined." You later clarified with,
"I never said ms-13 didn’t cross the border" Sooo ok, we agree, so what's the issue - I mean - other than defending things you haven't been accused of. But what is so "weak" about a factual statement, "It's one reason why the family is separated, ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 22, 18 11:13 AM
Don't forget the most recent obvious lie about whether Trump was privy to the payments to women in exchange for their silence.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 18 4:12 PM
You don't know that.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 28, 18 10:29 PM
Right, it's only his former attorney, a current business partner, and a long time friend at the National Enquirer all lying about it in a coordinated fashion.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 29, 18 3:48 AM
Saying what exactly? As far as I can tell, none of it was illegal, and if anything, removes the "influence election" bs because it was something he's historically done which would support the "Edwards defense."

I wish you were capable of "connecting" those dots on Hillary's crimes.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 30, 18 9:59 PM
Aren't they all giving evidence of a conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws? An agreement by two or more people to engage in criminal conduct?

Fyi, the Edwards case went to the jury and he could have just as reasonably been found guilty. You don't really understand legal precedent.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 31, 18 12:07 AM
But the fact that Edwards wasn't found guilty and the reasons for it certainly play into consideration.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 12, 18 10:55 AM
Acquittal by jury is not legal precedent. That's the difference between findings of fact and findings of law.

It'd be like saying just because OJ was found not guilty, nobody can be found guilty under those circumstances ever again.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 12, 18 11:02 AM
It's a precedent for a viable defense.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 12, 18 12:20 PM
A defense that a fact-finder can completely disregard...in an identical case, a jury can still convict. You don't understand precedent.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 12, 18 12:31 PM
Hillary lost the election almost two years ago. Stop whining about it.
Embrace trump for a few more years. If you don’t like the results, maybe you should have stopped taking selfies, gotten off your butts and to your local polling place, and voted.
By J Feces (13), Hampton bays on Aug 15, 18 9:24 PM
Mr feces, I think your full off yourself. Trump didn’t win the majority of votes, so that’s a mute point about voting. As to the selfies, what are you talking about?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 5:23 AM
President Donald Trump’s approval among black voters has almost doubled in the space of a year, the latest presidential polling from Rasmussen Reports has found.
According to Rasmussen’s Daily Presidential Tracking Poll, Trump’s approval rating among black voters stands at 36 percent, compared with just 19 percent on the same day last year.Black people are waking up. That's why the evil media is trying to smear him as a racist. It's a lame attempt and it isn't working.

MAGA
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 16, 18 6:56 AM
27dan, that’s excellent. Now trump has 4 black people who support him, instead of 2.You cite Rasmussen poll constantly, it’s an outlier with every poll. Keep trying
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 7:27 AM
Right ......just 4......
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 6:55 AM
Sturgis, still anxiously awaiting the response to the Obama question. How did he make race relations worst? Come on, let’s hear it. You don’t hesitate to give full explanations on the Israel- Palestine issue, give it a try.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 7:11 AM
Austin-based musician Ty Richards is experiencing the left’s Marxist tactics firsthand as local radio station KUTX recently banned his song “Western Chauvinist” after Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes tweeted it out, writing, “Great jam by ‘proud Western chauvinist.’” Slope is getting slippery
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 16, 18 12:33 AM
They call me, the proud boys are a good group?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 5:45 AM
If Democrats have never really thought America was all that great, why bother voting for them?
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 6:16 AM
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Fred, I called Air Force One as you suggested, giving them wrong directions. They just called me back after landing at McDonalds, thanking me, but said the President insisted on Papa John’s. Told me he and Schnatter were working on a Papa John’s buyout strategy, rebranding it as Papa Don’s, only if the alleged Omarosa tape should surface, and he’s out a job. They also told me that Lee submitted an application for pizza delivery boy, just in case he’s out too.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 6:45 AM
SWEDEN IS BURNING: MIGRANT GANGS UNLEASH COORDINATED FIRE-BOMB RAMPAGE ACROSS MULTIPLE CITIES
Aug 16, 18 6:45 AM appended by 27dan
Many Swedes were horrified in early 2017 when U.S. President Donald Trump linked immigration to rising crime in Sweden, but an increasing number now agree with him. Amid soaring crime rates, gang violence, complaints about education, and pregnant mothers even being turned away from maternity wards due to a lack of capacity, resentment in Sweden has built over the influx of more than 600,000 immigrants over the past five years.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 16, 18 6:45 AM
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27dan,in your comment you say, “ an increasing number now agrees with him”, meaning trump. This is the same tactic trump uses, but he never backs up his claims.try to fill us in on who the increasing number of people are. It would be enlightening.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 7:31 AM
Omarosa will be in Sag Harbor on Friday. Wonder if she will saunter over to plant a kiss on Orange Julius's sh**hole at FG? Or on little Lee's? Maybe the big T-man will pull John Brennan's driver's license just for the hell of it! And let's all boycott Howard Lorber's crappy Trump-nathan dogs. One big weiner each for Stormy and Karen McDougal. End chain migration: send Melania and her parents back. I've never seen Melania's real birth certificate have you?
By allpeoplecount (69), eastport on Aug 16, 18 7:39 AM
Good Morning! It's day 588 of the epic national liberal temper tantrum. Have a great Thursday!
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 16, 18 7:50 AM
So you voted for HRC ?
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 10:07 AM
Even flow, the nitemare continues.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 7:51 AM
The nightmare of your spelling follies.
Aug 16, 18 7:53 AM appended by even flow
Seeing you be proud of your illiteracy takes the sting out of any opinion of me you might possess.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 16, 18 7:53 AM
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Even flow, my bad spelling pales when compared to your nutty and outlandish posts. You will see more of my bad spelling, just keep up your crazed posts. So far the best one has been a call to arms. Your the best.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 7:57 AM
It is "you're" not your. The combination of "you" and "are" becomes "you're"

So what you meant to say fred

"You are the best" or "you're the best."

Maybe next time.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 9:09 AM
Think I am going to fly my American flags in my red neck truck and rock it on up to the airport. Show the President of the United States some love from a life long LI'r. Keep up the good work. MAGA!
By Say What (14), southampton on Aug 16, 18 8:17 AM
Say what, remember the bigger the flag , the more patriotic you are.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 8:59 AM
The problem with the left is the lack of rational cognitive thought. (Bernie Sanders,
Ocasio-cortez, mr z)

For example. "Free" health care for all Americans. If "free" means the doctors, nurses, staff, don't get paid, great! That's not going to happen. SOMEONE is going to pay, and it's the American taxpayer. Imagine the overwhelming influx of illegal immigration, who do not pay into the "free" health care system. Who pays for them?

"Free" college education. See above.

But ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 10:21 AM
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Peace Sells
~Megadeth
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 16, 18 9:00 PM
Where is the protest??
By KatieCooper (2), on Aug 16, 18 2:13 PM
It’s in the hot dog aisle at your nearest local grocery store.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 17, 18 5:40 AM
It can’t be at stop and shop, one person in the store would tie the whole place up.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 17, 18 5:47 AM
Lunch is at 439 Halsey Neck
By KatieCooper (2), on Aug 16, 18 2:17 PM
That’s been changed. Trump threw a Twitter tantrum after discovering lunch was at Nathan’s Howard Lorber’s place, insisting there had to have been a mix up. He just redirected Air Force One to Chicago’s O’Hare, says the luncheon’s now at McDonald’s Steve Easterbrook’s place.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 17, 18 5:53 AM
DOUGLAS ELLIMAN CHAIR IS HURTING HOMEOWNERS BY HOSTING TRUMP

The Douglas Elliman chairman Howard Lorber has personally donated more than $230,000 to the Trump Victory Fund, a joint fundraising committee of the Republican Party and the Trump Campaign. The Trump administration’s tax bill lowers taxes on corporations such as Douglas Elliman but raises the cost of home ownership by eliminating deductions for mortgage interest and local property taxes for most New York homeowners.. A ...more
By Southampton Steve (2), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 5:17 PM
Please explain your math Steve. Property taxes differ by school district , as you probably know, so your assertion lacks veracity.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 16, 18 5:48 PM
Thanks for the question. It's hard in a quick comment to cover all taxpayers. The $19,000 tax increase is based on losing property tax deductions on $10,000 of a $20,000 annual property tax bill (a tax increase of $5,000) and also assuming losing half of the deductions of a $1,500,000 mortgage at 4%. Hope that helps.
By Southampton Steve (2), Southampton on Aug 17, 18 9:37 PM
Mr. President, Best of luck with your fundraising event here on Long Island’s beautiful East End. All of your loyal supporters in New York State’s 1st Congressional District stand behind you and are looking forward to a Republican victory in the upcoming 2018 midterms. Thank you for the personal sacrifices you’ve made for us and for our nation. Let’s keep on keeping America great.
By Dawn_O (45), Southampton on Aug 16, 18 7:37 PM
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“Silence didn’t create this country; brazen, unwavering commitment did. And one of those commitments was to a free press — one not controlled or hampered by a demagogue who has a good day only when he’s being flattered.”

~ Patti Davis
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 16, 18 8:21 PM
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Well done sir. Well done.


“Few Americans have done more to protect this country than John (Brennan). He is a man of unparalleled integrity, whose honesty and character have never been in question, except by those who don’t know him. Therefore, I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.”

“Like most Americans, I had hoped ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 16, 18 8:45 PM
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Could you imagine a bigger phony than someone who suggests it would be an honor for the President to revoke his security clearance rather than taking the honorable action of turning it in? Let's be honest here - John Brennan has not shut up since he claimed he was being silenced.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 17, 18 7:03 AM
STUDY: TRUMP TARIFFS CREATED MORE THAN 11K AMERICAN JOBS IN SIX MONTHS

GREAT AGAIN: Youth Unemployment Hits 52-Year Low...

WALMART Declares Best Economy for Customers in Decades...

Get in Line: Backlog for Big Rigs...

MAGA
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 17, 18 7:17 AM
27dan, where did you get the stats from? It would be nice if you put that in your post. Walmart declares best economy for customers. The largest share of Walmart’s profits are from food stamps and govt assistance money. The company costs taxpayers money on top of that providing assistance to Walmart workers. They are buttering their bread on both sides. It’s more of a govt assistance retail outlet. They are the people who ruined Main Street biz with their biz model.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 17, 18 7:26 AM
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27dan, dig a little deeper then trumps propaganda site Breitbart . Further research shows 16 jobs lost for every job gained under trumps ludicrous trade war.a word of advice, tape your ankles and wrists today, don’t want you getting injured whe you are doing cartwheels and waving Pom poms when trumps motorcade goes by.we need you here writing your unsubstantiated claims.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 17, 18 7:32 AM
Even flow,yes I can name a bigger phony, trump.Grape skinned president can’t stand any criticism. Brennan doesn’t have to shut up, he’s calling truth to power. Let him revoke all former top security experts security. This president is a pitiful excuse for a leader. His act would be big in a corrupt third world country, his group of lemmings will blindly follow him off the nearest cliff, sycophants unite.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 17, 18 7:17 AM
CNN – COMMENTATOR AGREES WITH NY GOV: ‘AMERICA HAS NEVER BEEN GREAT’

CNN commentator Angela Rye agreed with New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s statement Wednesday that America has never been great, despite the governor’s office walking the statement back. On Wednesday, Cuomo attempted to riff on President Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan, saying instead that it wasn’t that great to begin with.
“We’re not going to ...more
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Aug 17, 18 7:22 AM
The Donald:

“I want to begin today by expressing my condolences to the family of a person I knew well. She worked for me on numerous occasions. She was terrific – Aretha Franklin – on her passing."
------------------------------------------------------

The bride at every wedding; the corpse at every funeral.

The dumb-as-a-brick narcissist strikes again.

By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 17, 18 1:29 PM
PG 45 - we will boycott the disgusting Howard Lorber, Douglas Elliman Realty
and definitely Nathan's not so Famous!
By allpeoplecount (69), eastport on Aug 18, 18 2:04 AM
Chicago's great shame, Chicago's crisis: Blood on the streets
in Chicago. (Chicago Tribune) The death and injury total from Friday night to Monday morning numbed the senses: At least 74 people were shot, 12 of them killed, according to a tally by Tribune reporters. Those are figures from a war zone; they shouldn’t reflect the reality of an August weekend in an American city.

Chicago is the perfect example of how successful excessive gun control laws work.

The only way ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 18, 18 8:02 AM
27dan, thanks for your phony concern.your lame racial profiling is always on point. Can always count on you for slanted distorted views. Keep up the good work.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 18, 18 8:16 AM
fred i think the qestion was where are you rahm emanuel ?
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Aug 18, 18 8:37 AM
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Erin 27, sure it was, I’m a astronaut, cowboy and mountain climber. He posted the article, then added his racially infused statements. Yeah, he’s very serious. Give me a break. It’s the rights go to statement, “ what about Chicago “.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 18, 18 8:45 AM
Can you please stop resisting this:

Almost 4 million new jobs have been created since President Trump’s election.

African-American, Hispanic-American, and Asian-American unemployment rates have all recently reached the lowest levels in history.

Women’s unemployment rate has reached the lowest level in 65 years.

Veterans’ unemployment rate recently reached its lowest level in nearly 20 years.

The unemployment rate for Americans without ...more
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 18, 18 8:47 AM
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Question # 1

Will The Donald be impeached for:

a) Tax evasion

b) Fraud

c) Conspiracy

d) Perjury

- - - - - - ? ? ? ? - - - - - -

I'm for "a" & "b". I don't think that Trump was complicit with Russia, he's just too dumb to recognize when he's being played. And he'll RESIGN before he will answer questions under oath. (He lied when he said that he would.)

------------------------------

Question # 2:

Will ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 18, 18 8:32 AM
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Summer 2015: "Trump will never be President, I assure you''
Summer 2016 - "Trump is NOT going to be President. Trust me''
Summer 2018 - "Trump won't be President for long, I'm always right''
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 18, 18 8:43 AM
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what pompous prose , still does nothing to disguise an extreme case of Trump Derangement Syndrome though.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 18, 18 8:48 AM
"There are people who walk against then wind. Then, there are people who pee against the wind."
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 18, 18 8:50 AM
Joe, go change your clothes, that’s not rain water that’s got you all wet.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 18, 18 9:01 AM
Thanks for your violent rhetoric!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 20, 18 8:06 PM
TOTAL REVERSAL: CUOMO BACKTRACKS, ADMITS ‘AMERICA HAS ALWAYS BEEN GREAT’
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 18, 18 8:33 AM
too late
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Aug 18, 18 8:42 AM
President Donald Trump criticized social media companies like Twitter, Google and Facebook on Saturday for censoring conservatives.

“Social Media is totally discriminating against Republican/Conservative voices,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Speaking loudly and clearly for the Trump Administration, we won’t let that happen.”

The president finally addressed the issue after prominent Trump supporters were expelled from social media platforms like Facebook, ...more
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 18, 18 8:40 AM
Can the SH Press please follow up with the families who were named as supporting President Trump?

It would be enlightening for the gallery to hear how much abuse they have been subject to.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 19, 18 6:44 AM
Even flow, they are subjected to same abuse the rest of America has to endure by having trump as president.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 19, 18 7:18 AM
If you scroll up, I posted a list of abuse you’ve had to endure. Oddly, it was the only one of my posts in months to which you did NOT respond.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 19, 18 7:30 AM
Even flow, sorry I missed your post. Was it anything substantial? I’m sure it wasn’t. Was it a call to arms again? Tell you what, I’ll reply twice to one of your future posts, then I’ll be caught up. Keep posting bs and crazed opinions, it’s what makes you.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 19, 18 7:38 AM
Even Flow, Freddy is hugging his teddy bear and afraid to open his eyes to the truth. Proof positive they cant handle Crooked Hil not winning. Wait till the Brennen/Clinton/Obama stuff finally surfaces on the Dem trying to throw the election. Their heads are really going to explode. Better get a lot of pacifiers ready for them to suck on as their thumps are numb already.
By realistic (472), westhampton on Aug 20, 18 8:19 AM
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Unrealistic, I’m working, good try at comedy. Stick to posting ridiculous fake news, your a parody of yourself. As to Hillary, move on. Trump won, only banana republics go after defeated politicians.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 20, 18 8:53 AM
The Left fears nothing more than the truth, that's why leftists throughout history have done everything to control it or kill it. This is why everything the Left controls, be it the likes of Facebook, Twitter, Google, message boards of various MSM outlets, etc., eventually move to exclude opinions that do not abide by their ideology.
It's what Marxist/Communists do.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Aug 19, 18 1:22 PM
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another example...ocasio cortez recently banned the media from her 'town hall'.

what is the left afraid of, i do not want to censor there opinions i want people to hear both sides no matter how radical, so they can decide for themselves.

there are anti trust laws in place to break up these one sided tech monopolies . facebook, twitter, google, periscope, discus and the rest . please president trump put an end to the censorship please it's high time someone wakes up sessions from ...more
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Aug 19, 18 1:30 PM
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BILL MAHER SLAMS BIG TECH’S INFOWARS BAN: ‘ALEX JONES GETS TO SPEAK’
'If you’re a liberal, you’re supposed to be for free speech'

Fox News host Tucker Carlson came out in defense of Alex Jones’ free speech Friday amid Big Tech’s censorship of Infowars, citing the First Amendment as a “central principle of our society.”
Tucker has an excellent guest on who breaks down the massive cowardice inside the conservative and nationalist ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 19, 18 1:38 PM
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Tucker Carlson "came out" in defense of Alex Jones? What a laugh.

Erin: I do not "want" anyone to consider genocide as a reasonable alternative.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 20, 18 2:03 AM
Undocumented, you just repeated right wing talking points, good try
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 19, 18 1:29 PM
Stop The Censorship!

The Truth Must Be Known!

Equality For All!

While you're at it, you might want to use a search engine OTHER than Google... they tend to put all the left-wing FAKE NEWS at the top of the search results while "burying" any REAL news from conservative sources!
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Aug 19, 18 1:32 PM
TRUMP BLASTS SOCIAL MEDIA; WON'T ALLOW CENSORSHIP...

TWITTER ADMITS: WE LEAN LEFT...
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 19, 18 11:16 PM
27dan, you and undocumented are getting better at this comedy writing gig, late nite tv hosts in your future?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 20, 18 5:39 AM
Didn’t all the “experts” say that Trump’s tariffs were going to destroy the steel industry? ROTFLOL

We Are Experiencing a Renaissance’

U.S. Steel to Invest $750M at Indiana Plant Thanks to Trump Tariffs Democrats outraged.

That kind of money would've been leaving the U.S. under oblablabla's reign.

President Trump is Making America Great Again!!!
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 20, 18 7:49 AM
I'm looking forward to the media meltdown when Trump wins 40+ states in 2020. Americans want a strong economy, a strong military and strong borders. Democrats offer the exact opposite of that.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Aug 20, 18 7:52 AM
Steel tariffs were announced on March 1st. On Feb 27th X was trading at $44/share, currently it is $30.62/ share. This represents a loss of $2,371,203,600 in market cap over six months which does not seem like a renaissance to me. It is wonderful that US Steel is investing in Gary Indiana! Please name a single democrat who is outraged (or said anything negative) about X's investment in Gary.
By Aeshtron (431), Southampton on Aug 20, 18 10:12 AM
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Is that why Donald Trump doesn't talk about the stock market anymore?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 20, 18 2:43 PM
Oh, not THAT again!?!

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 20, 18 8:32 PM
Can't tout the revival of steel if tariffs have their stocks are down 33%
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 18 7:07 AM
U.S. Steel traded for $18.67 in August 23, 2013 and $31.05 today.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 21, 18 7:35 PM
Yes, but what was it before the election?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 22, 18 11:22 AM
between 14 and 20, then spiked after election. Just look at a chart - easy to do.
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Aug 22, 18 11:28 AM
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Sun comes up, nuts fall out of the trees
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 20, 18 7:57 AM
Facts? Facts? We don't need no stinking Facts .
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 20, 18 8:14 AM
It seems to me that Google Facebook and Twitter have stolen the law of the land.
The First Amendment is under assault!!!
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Aug 20, 18 2:18 PM
Chalk another one up under "does not know how the first amendment works"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 20, 18 2:35 PM
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GERMANY: “NO ONE RECOGNIZES OUR CITY ANYMORE” RESIDENTS COMPLAIN AFTER 1,200 MIGRANTS MOVE IN
“Boostedt used to be a beautiful place and a nice place to live”Residents of Boostedt, Germany complain that “no one recognizes our city anymore” after 1,200 migrants moved in, increasing the population by 26 per cent.
Mayor Hartmut König said that the town, which now has 4,600 inhabitants, had changed drastically since the migrants were housed at a local ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 20, 18 5:34 PM
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like Central Islip steadily advancing east. Could someone please go ask Lee and see if it’s possible to get Donald to build us a border wall at the canal? That way the left can stop their whining that Lee never did anything for us. No one recognizes El Salvador either. In 2007 the Salvadoran migrant population in the US was nearly 19% of El Salvador’s entire population.

History re-written: Long after the mass exodus when the entire population of El Salvador just simply ...more
Aug 21, 18 6:19 AM appended by SDG1776
Sounds like..
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 21, 18 6:19 AM
savages vs civilization
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 20, 18 6:24 PM
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Thank you mr. gaffney
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 20, 18 6:53 PM
Reposting this here for the high traffic. Can't seem to find the other thread:

Bishop Barres' closing of MCGann Mercy was the only reason I created an account on this website (Hence my name) and I haven't posted anything on here in awhile...but after today's news, I felt compelled to post this:


It looks like we have our answer as to why the Bishop closed McGann Mercy. It's the same reason he's closing other Catholic schools in the NY area just like he did in Pennsylvania. ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Aug 20, 18 6:58 PM
Activist David Hogg talks of his generation of gun controllers in a NYMag cover story, then thinks of Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and says, “Move the f**k off the plate and let us take control.”
NYMag indicates Hogg is wearied by the “old” Democrats who keep hanging onto their offices. He mentioned Pelosi in particular, and said pointedly, “Nancy Pelosi is old.”

Idiotic 18-year-old narcissist desperately clinging to his 15 minutes of fame whines about ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 21, 18 8:32 AM
They call me, thanks for the dribble. A kid who was a witness to a mass killing. I believe that gives him a little say so about stuff. Please don’t use narcissist, that’s reserved for trump. I don’t believe you have an ounce of humility or compassion, your posts just keep reinforcing the fact. Chim chim
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 21, 18 3:07 PM
Cohen's about to flip like a flapjack.
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 21, 18 2:50 PM
Trumpets don't care if Trump broke the law to become president. Thankfully, the lowly-educated fan base tends to hold few positions of power, likely due to their low education.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 18 4:28 PM
Make me ;)
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 18 5:01 PM
We can cross some place Celtic off the list. He's no Celtic, so I've read.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 21, 18 6:49 PM
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You can cross whatever place you want off whatever list you're building, c'est la vie.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 18 7:11 PM
I'd prefer the illegal that allegedly murdered Mollie Tibbits would have been returned to his place of birth and stay there.
Aug 21, 18 7:21 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Another Dreamer no doubt. Mollie had dreams too I bet.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Aug 21, 18 7:21 PM
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Please explain how he broke the law
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 6:54 AM
@ Fore

I thought you don’t like it when people generalize and are always calling people out on it.. Does having 3 college degrees/magma cum laude 3x’s make me a lowly educated member of the base? Education is overrated, and has only provided me and others like me very few skills and/or knowledge that have any real world applications. Education doesn’t increase IQ points, the ability to critically think, the ability to problem solve, or the ability identify and assess ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 8:19 AM
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You can make sinkers though, which along with the media have taken this administration to the bottom.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 9:19 AM
SDG, this administration made their own sinker necklaces, now their fashion statement has them sinking like ....... lead!!!
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 9:41 AM
Were you magma cum laude at Pompeii University?
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 11:22 AM
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You're correct about making generalizations, but I was referring to the poll cited during the election about the education discrepancies between voters for both parties.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 22, 18 11:25 AM
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@SDG1776: LMAO at this 24-carat, "magma" cum laude bullpuckey. What kind of cretin spends the years and money it takes to earn 3 master's degrees before deciding there is no inherent value in the effort.
As if you even have one.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 22, 18 3:43 PM
Sturgis: if Cohen instructed his attorney to fraudulently violate campaign contribution laws, that's a criminal conspiracy.
Aug 22, 18 5:46 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
If Trump instructed his attorney.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 22, 18 5:46 PM
And if he instructed his attorney to buy silence as he did other times in order to save embarrassment to his wife, it's noting more than a personal matter.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 22, 18 7:36 PM
Stand by your man.......
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 7:39 PM
It would be nothing more than a personal matter, had he not been a candidate for president conspiring with his attorney to fraudulently violate campaign contribution laws.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 22, 18 7:48 PM
Wrong. It's the very reason then Presidential candidate Edwards wasn't convicted.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 22, 18 7:52 PM
In that similar case, Edwards was still indicted, right?

To me, that he was acquitted by a jury means that he could have just as likely been convicted, and that the same is true for Trump.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 22, 18 8:30 PM
Similar case, completely different circumstances. To me, given the existence of clear precedent and fact that DOJ policy dictates the President wouldn't be charged as a sitting precedent, it's very different given it won't see the light of day in front of a jury. But, Democrats will continue their search for retribution as the pawns of the Russian government.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 8:10 AM
What's the precedent? Jury decisions are not binding statements of law, they're fact-finding.

If the Edwards case had resulted in an appeal, any subsequent finding by a judge (about whether the jury's fact-finding was appropriate) would be the precedent.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Trump should or would get charged, I'm just saying you or I would in the same scenario.

Oh, and also that it makes me happy for his lies to be widely reported. Here, the lie is whether ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 18 1:10 PM
Given the ruling in the case, accepting a case for prosecution is the precedent.

Again, it's all alleged so whether there were lies and whatnot, who knows. None of which necessarily equates to guilty or tof anything illegal.

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 1:21 PM
But the Edwards case WAS accepted for prosecution, how does that help Trump?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 18 1:24 PM
But we know the outcome and reasons for it and the bar that must be surpassed.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 4:00 PM
I don't understand. Do you think that because a jury acquitted Edwards on one charge and hung on the others there's no way Trump could be convicted?

That's not how it works.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 18 4:10 PM
No, I'm saying convicted of what?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 8:52 PM
Specifically, the conspiracy and commission of the campaign finance felonies Cohen just pleaded to.

You do know who Cohen is, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 18 10:01 PM
As you like to say, "No wrong doing has been proven."

If you were going in the pokey for 15+ years on tax charges, what would you be willing to say to get the sentence reduced to 5 years?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 8:44 PM
There's no doubt that self-interest is admissible evidence as to the veracity of Cohen's testimony and it would be up to the jury (or Congress in this case) to weigh in as the fact-finders.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 9:55 PM
Admissible evidence to what alleged crime? The veracity of Cohen's claims has imploded by admission of his own attorney and even by Cohen's own testimony to Congress.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 30, 18 10:25 PM
You know the crimes Cohen admitted guilt for? He also said that he was instructed by Trump to commit those crimes, ergo: Conspiracy.

The veracity of Cohen's testimony is determined by the fact-finders, usually a jury, but more likely Congress in this scenario, not Po Boy.

By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 30, 18 11:59 PM
Oh, so, the guy who the US attorney described as "rather than setting an example of respect for the law, instead chose to break the law, repeatedly over many years and in a variety of ways" and who testified under oath to the contrary, is now to be believed against the pattern of citizen Trump doing the same thing previously to protect against negative press and ultimately family embarrassment.

You call that a high crime?? Not to mention, impeachment is reserved for those deemed to have ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 9:47 AM
Cohen's credibility will certainly be center-stage and require at least some corroborating evidence, perhaps from David Pecker and/or Allen Weisselberg.

I think campaign finance violations are a pretty serious thing, and I'd wager so do the feds and, you know, anyone who cares about draining the swamp.

Are you saying there's no recourse for crimes committed prior to being elected to the presidency while president? That sounds...despotic.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 9:57 AM
Nope, not saying there is no recourse at all for crimes committed prior to being elected to the presidency while president.

Merely pointing out the DoJ position.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 12, 18 10:58 AM
I see what you're saying, although the DoJ's position is an opinion rather than mandatory precedent.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 12, 18 11:04 AM
This is the same dance we do every 2 mos. Democrats explain how Trump is finished, Trump supports explain on their are wrong (and they always are) time passes, rinse repeat.

I forget the word but what is it when people do the same thing over and over again while hoping for a different result?
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 7:31 AM
Slimey,that word your looking for is actually two words, slime alive. There fixed it for you.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 7:35 AM
Manafort - - - - - - - CHECK

Cohen - - - - - - - - CHECK

Trump - - - - - - -
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 22, 18 8:32 AM
Next to Trump you were supposed to type President.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 22, 18 9:06 AM
Un-indicted co conspirator
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 8:40 AM
The general counsel for the Clinton mob family, Lanny Davis, he had his client pleaded two counts of criminality that don’t exist. These campaign finance violations that is all over TV, they are saying implicates the president of the United States directly.

First, let’s back up. It is a guilty plea. It is a plea bargain between a prosecutor and a criminal. A criminal who doesn’t want to spend the rest of his life in prison. That is not precedent. That applies only to that ...more
Aug 22, 18 9:24 AM appended by even flow
Remember when Obama was fined $375,000 by the FEC for campaign violations and everyone moved on with their lives?
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 22, 18 9:24 AM
Even flow, good try. Hillary Clinton spent how long being grilled about her role in Benghazi,11 hrs? Trump can’t speak to mueller for 5 mins without perjuring himself. Clinton mob family, your a riot. Campaign chairman, guilty. Campaign aide , guilty. Long time attorney , plea deal, guilty. This was his inner circle. You can spin this like a dreidel, it still hits close to the Twitter in Chief.oh yeah, him having sex with a porn actress and ex playboy model. He has high morals. Dishonest lowlife ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 9:39 AM
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I seem to remember prostitutes being hurried out of the Kennedy White House as a helicopter was landing unexpectedly with Jackie. But JFK had high morals.?
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Aug 22, 18 11:25 AM
Taz, this is about trump, not whataboutisms
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 11:38 AM
Orange always was Donnie's color
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 22, 18 9:49 AM
Nevermind that our current president (lower case because he is lower class) is a lying sack of mierda whose closest campaign advisors have been proven to have committed numerous violations in connection to the Orange fool's campaign...

What about the e-mails of the lady who ran for President, the one whom the majority of 2016 US voters wanted to be President?

Let's stay focused on what is important! MAGA : )
By Aeshtron (431), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 9:57 AM
My Attorney Got Arrested :p
By deepchanel (89), Hampton Bays on Aug 22, 18 10:56 AM
My Attorney Got Arrested :p
By deepchanel (89), Hampton Bays on Aug 22, 18 10:56 AM
Illegal Alien Charged with First Degree Murder of Mollie Tibbetts

Left Her raped body in Corn Field
Aug 22, 18 12:57 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
The worst part is when these invaders also want to bring with them, their callous lack of regard for life; their Gangster mentality; Marxist political views and deviant behaviors such as Pedophilia, Misogyny, Polygamy, and even FGM, Acid attacks and Honor killings if you include the Radical Muslims. These same people that created most of the third world cesspools, now want to break into our country go on welfare, instead of trying to clean up their own backyard. The left call it diversity, I call it cultural suicide
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Aug 22, 18 12:57 PM
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I thought you guys were against politicizing tragedies?
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 1:47 PM
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oh I see the party has moved over here now how convenient the way some of you switch to pretend you did not notice uncomfortable posts to your ideology on the sister thread
Aug 22, 18 1:04 PM appended by They call me
It really is a huge disconnect for me when the MSM, Goggle , FB and Twitter say they are censoring hate speech...... then the same media showcases out of control college Marxist camps or how about what is taking place in South Africa as we speak genocide of the white Christian Boer farmers. These groups should practice what the preach. Before you say this has nothing to do with the USA, please note that Barack Hussein Obama II was just there in July stirring up hate with one of his race filled rhetoric rants. Don’t think for one minute that it can’t happen here.Because it already has begun!
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 22, 18 1:04 PM
Right wing nuts, go watch Lanny Davis(Cohen's lawyer) interview on Fox news. It implicates the child-liar-in-chief. Makes chop meat of the interviewer's in regard to Hillary's so-called transgressions. Let's see how much deflecting you can do today. Ha-ha, let's go dig some coal today. Don't hire Michael Cohen as your attorney, ha-ha, eleven years your fixer. Not taking any bullets for the orange orangutan. Corroborate Cohen's claims and the don is dead!
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 1:34 PM
FLASHBACK: Remember When Obama Campaign Was Fined $375,000 for Campaign Reporting Violations AND NO JAIL TIME?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 22, 18 2:06 PM
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Obama campaign was fined $375K was for failing to report 1,300 donations (totaling $2M) within 48 hours of being received, as required by law.

Trump allegedly personally instructed his attorney to facilitate an illegal contribution by a corporation with the goal of burying a negative story (raw dogging a porn star while his wife was at home with their newborn child) before the campaign and, in another case, having that attorney make an illegal payment to hide another damaging allegation.

Apples ...more
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 2:22 PM
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Po Boy, remember when Obama got in trouble for having sex with a porn star? That was disgusting. Ooops, sorry. That was trump.Hes a good man that trump, good man. Po Boy , Your whataboutisms are coming in handy now.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 2:55 PM
One man's whataboutism is another man's history. And history gives context.

Say what you will about the man himself, but, "allegedly" can not be overemphasized - apples, oranges or cauliflower - because I don't think any of us can say with certainty whether any of it was illegal.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 22, 18 3:05 PM
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Po Boy, time will tell, time hasn’t been good to trump.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 3:18 PM
That's STILL President Trump. If time hasn't been good to Trump, why do we need to wait for more time? That makes no sense, but I get what you're trying to say.even if there isn't a lick of substantiation in it.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 22, 18 3:31 PM
Po Boy, good for you.whats that country song?” Stand by your man”, yeah that’s it.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 4:22 PM
MAGA!! My Attorney Got Arrested! Rule of law is what is of most importance, right, right wing-nuts!!
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 3:52 PM
It all makes sense now. Upchuck Schumer wasted no time showing his and the DNC's cards. Today he came out and demanded that the choice for pick for SCOTUS, Brett Kavanaugh, be put on hold until after this Cohen thing dies out. This will drag out now even longer than the Mueller probe. It all makes sense now. The DNC is nothing but a bunch of whiney little disruptors. Nothing more, nothing less. I hope now Trump gets through this unscathed with Kavanaugh being placed inside the Supreme Court so they ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Aug 22, 18 3:56 PM
Diseased, welcome back, missed your crazy posts. A little info, your party has the majority in both houses and president. Remember when your people would bring up Obama’s Supreme Court pick. I do. What did you call democrats? Oh yeah, whiny little disrupters. Your lame president is ruining what’s left of your party, grab that oxygen mask when it comes down, your gonna need it. All in all trump is a fine man, banging a porn star, while his wife is home with a baby. He’s a shining ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 4:07 PM
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I guess the good thing is he didn't do it under oath like your guy Clinton did with an intern in the White House (defended by your canidate Hillary and the rest of the Democrats) . Get your pacifier. Go back to bed.
By realistic (472), westhampton on Aug 22, 18 7:42 PM
Unrealistic, but.. but..... but. Biill Clinton. Don’t forget Benghazi and the missing emails. You can mention it all you want, it doesn’t change the fact your backing a low moral lying bully, I’m sure he’s a crook too, I’ll wait for mueller report to come out. In the mean time , keep your chin up, some day you’ll get a little dignity and dump the low moral loser. By the way, did leaving the light on at night help you sleep? Hope so, your exhibiting signs of sleep ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 22, 18 7:54 PM
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cnn report omitted the fact the poor mollie tibbets rapist and murderer is an illegal alien!

how disgusting !
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Aug 22, 18 4:17 PM
Except for the fact that he was working here legally. Get your facts straight before you try to politicize a tragedy Erin.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 22, 18 4:19 PM
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Oh please some opinions are so creepy. This poor young woman just went out for a jog in what used to be a wonderful neighborhood, that was before 2007 when all of this illegal and migrant situation became what it is today.. We have laws for a reason. These people come here unvetted from god-knows-where and commit acts of atrocity. My heart goes out to this poor family so their loss. The Casual manner in which I have watched politicians and media address this tragedy today brings tears to my eyes. ...more
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Aug 22, 18 5:00 PM
how does an illegal work here legally johnj?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 22, 18 5:36 PM
Its all a non-issue unless god forbid its their family member,
By realistic (472), westhampton on Aug 22, 18 7:43 PM
His immigration status totally irrelevant.
She died because he is a man, and she said NO.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 22, 18 7:47 PM
you are insane JuneZ! If the illegal wasn't in the country .this murder would not have happened.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 23, 18 6:32 AM
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Democrats are the un-indicted co-conspirators in Mollie Tibbets murder.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 7:59 AM
you are a shameless bigot big fresh! If she said yes, this murder would not have happened.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 23, 18 12:12 PM
I stand by my comment JuneZ, you're projecting human behavior onto an ANIMAL!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 23, 18 3:10 PM
Humans are not animals, and human behavior does not differ by race.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 23, 18 3:36 PM
The truth hurts:

Cristhian Rivera, charged in Mollie Tibbetts' death, worked at a farm owned by a prominent Iowa Republican family

Austin Cannon, Des Moines Register Published 10:39 p.m. CT Aug. 21, 2018 | Updated 8:36 p.m. CT Aug. 22, 2018
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 26, 18 12:25 AM
Fred...I'm still waiting on the Trump/Russia collusion indictments. What's going on with that anyway? Anybody, anbody, Bueller, Bueller??
By DiseaseDiocese (668), Riverhead on Aug 22, 18 9:53 PM
Diseased, patience grasshopper. When it drops we will have a very clear view of the criminal, I mean presidents problems.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 5:03 AM
What's next, facts aren't facts, truth isn't truth, now the unhinged, rambling idiot basically says crime isn't crime. Rule of law is what's important!!
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 7:45 AM
In a mere 24 hours, democrats have had a massive change of heart. They have decided that every word uttered by one of Trump's attorneys is 100% accurate.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 7:48 AM
...a massive change of heart and the unfortunate revelation that Michael Cohen DIDN'T go to Prague as the fake Steele dossier alleged as now told by his attorney, Lanny Davis. After all, "every word uttered by one of Trump's attorneys (and Cohen apparently) is 100% accurate" according to Democrats.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 7:56 AM
Po Boy, no problem, one wrong, the rest of cohens tapes and testimony will rock the low class presidents world.by the way, he’s got some kind of marriage, don’t you think? I still remember republicans saying you can’t trust Bill Clinton because of his marital infidelities. Where’s the outrage from the right now? Sex with a porn actress? No morals and his character is below a snakes belly.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 8:13 AM
If you say so Fred, I welcome your insider input that the rest of us aren't privilege to as a lightening rod of illumination - Mr. no bs.

Me and millions others I'm guessing could care less about whatever "some kind of marriage" he has. Your recollection in general is fuzzy on Bill Clinton's marital infidelities and sexual misconduct. I remember the Left defending him without question and those not on the Left having issue with it occurring in the Ov(r)al Office. Where is the outrage, ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 8:44 AM
Po Boy, you and trumps base. Good luck
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 9:52 AM
You are absolutely correct Fred, and the moderate decorum of it scares the crap out of Democrats.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 11:22 AM
I don't care if Trump regularly partakes in hedonistic debauchery. Whether he breaks the law to sanitize his public image is far more consequential.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 25, 18 12:48 PM
In and of itself, that is not illegal. You can't seriously think Trump invented that concept.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 9:13 PM
Can you please be specific: what is not illegal?

Clearly there are legal AND illegal ways of sanitizing one's public image...the question is whether Trump's efforts fall under the former or the latter.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 9:31 PM
No wrong doing has been proven, as you like to say.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 9:37 PM
Are guilty pleas and convictions by and of members of the campaign not wrongdoing?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 9:48 PM
Sigh...we're talking about the President, Sigh... so I'll state the obvious for our benefit...

By Trump? No. Because as we both know, A) none have anything to do with alleged Russian collusion, B) Occurred long before involvement in the Trump campaign and/or C) involved individuals specific statements to the FBI.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 10:05 PM
I still think we're past the point of saying that the campaign did nothing wrong, but time will tell whether Cohen's testimony and evidence, or that being provided by the folks who recently accepted immunity deals, sufficiently implicate Trump in wrongdoing.

Go Mueller, go! #Draintheswamp
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 10:14 PM
"I still think we're past the point of saying that the campaign did nothing wrong"

No doubt you do. But the fact remains, pretty much EVERYTHING we've seen thus far has nothing to do with the campaign. We're already seeing proof of Cohen's "evidence" crumbling.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 10:37 PM
If you disagree, please feel free to shout "the campaign did nothing wrong" from the rooftops, it does nothing to change the convictions, guilty pleas, and immunity deals, not to mention whatever is yet to come...go Mueller, go! #Draintheswamp
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 10:44 PM
I appreciate your enthusiasm both for giving me the approval to shout from the roof tops and the fact that your victory dance has little/nothing to do with Russian collusion or the campaign of President.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 11:15 PM
Weird, because I'm pretty sure that Mueller's mandate is not limited to Russian collusion and Cohen's crimes were directly related to the election.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 11:28 PM
Weird? Not at all. Mueller's mandate has yet to show any domestic Russian collusion and none of it has been shown to relate to the President and Cohen's PLEA AGREEMENT to reduce his sentence has yet to be PROVEN.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 11:37 PM
Whether you declare yourself guilty or are found guilty by a jury doesn't change the fact that you're guilty.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 28, 18 11:08 AM
And then again, sometimes, you're not.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 28, 18 9:48 PM
The legal status of guilt is factual at the time of conviction or pleading, irrespective of whether or not the acts were actually committed, unless overturned on appeal, which most pleas pre-empt anyway.

In any event, I am neither Cohen nor Po Boy, but personally can't conceive of a scenario where I'd plead guilty to a crime I didn't commit.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 28, 18 10:08 PM
Sure you can, you just don't want to conceive of the scenario....if the prosecution thinks there is an inkling of hope you could provide information (truthful or not) that would cut your sentence on the other charges from 15 or so years, to five. It's called a plea agreement.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 29, 18 5:57 PM
Why would I accept any punishment at all for something I couldn't be convicted of? j
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 30, 18 8:46 AM
Because you were charged on multiple unrelated counts that you are guilty of and that charge would potentially grant you immunity on that charge as part of the plea agreement.

Which is all probably moot given the contrived story of Lanny Davis.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 30, 18 9:43 PM
Ooooh, so we agree Cohen IS guilty of something, but you believe he's only cooperating (and dishonestly so) with Mueller because of self-interest? I suppose the fact-finder will have to sort out fact from fiction in a formal process as some point, as it should be.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 31, 18 12:10 AM
Ooooh? LOL....why so shocked? Cohen plead guilty to something and had a plea agreement, didn't he? That plea agreement contains accommodations specifically relating to self-interest. There are two tracks here, the legal and the political and Cohen knew what he faced on the legal (unrelated to anything dealing with the President or the campaign) and sees the opportunity on the political to lessen the impact to his self-interest upon sentencing.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 31, 18 8:47 PM
One correction: the "legal track" (or the ongoing prosecution of Cohen) is the criminal evasion of campaign finance laws, along with a conspiracy to do just that which the candidate was a part of.

Now, whether you believe Cohen or not is up to you, but Cohen's crimes and the conspiracy allegations are directly tied to both POTUS and the campaign...can't really talk your way out of that one.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 31, 18 9:29 PM
Right wing nuts have decided from day one that every word from the orange orangutan is 100% true and accurate.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 8:03 AM
Dershowitz: Candidate Entitled To Pay Hush Money, Committed No Election Crime

There goes the latest hope for those trying to impeach Trump. And how does this involve Russia again?

Approaching 30 million dollars and all Mueller has to show for it is tax and bank fraud from 2005-2015. Nothing to do with Trump or anything to do with collusion with Russia. Pathetic!
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Aug 23, 18 9:15 AM
I knew this whole case was going to get politicized and corrupted as soon as I found out that Lanny Davis,
Trump-hater and Clinton apologist, was his attorney.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 23, 18 8:08 AM
i’ll take my president’s word lanny all day long.
Aug 23, 18 8:12 AM appended by Erin 27 E
i’ll take my president’s word over lanny all day long.
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Aug 23, 18 8:12 AM
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Guilty has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? These are your corrupt, lying, convicted anti-american peeps. I surround myself with the best people.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 10:36 AM
Cohen’s Lawyer Lanny Davis Is a Registered Foreign Agent For Pro-Russian Oligarch Wanted by US Government
August 22, 2018 Natalie D. 58 Views 0 Comments hillary clinton, Lanny Davis, Michael Cohen, Russia
On Tuesday, President Trump’s longtime personal attorney Michael Cohen said he violated campaign finance laws at “direction of the candidate,” an indirect reference to the president.

On the advice of his attorney and Clinton advisor Lanny Davis, Cohen pleaded ...more
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 23, 18 8:14 AM
Friendly Reminder

Last President to be impeached - Bill Clinton (D)
Last President to be fined by the Federal Election Commission - Obama (D)

By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 23, 18 8:37 AM
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Have any RNC contributors here not yet received their Newt Gingrich signed copy of “Understanding Trump” as part of the recent GOP campaign contribution book-giveaway promotion? To those of you that might have not yet received it, I’ve just been informed by the RNC that the book has been recalled by its author after realizing it would require volumes rather than just one book to understand Trump. The expected wait time for the author to gain understanding before re-release is ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 8:45 AM
A nationwide ad should start running prior to November simply showing all of the American citizens that have been killed by illegal aliens just this year. No words. Just a little text and music. Would be very effective. Wouldn’t even need to mention political parties.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 23, 18 9:05 AM
The sad thing is even though this is the top news story in the country this week everyone will forget this poor girl by next month ...
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 23, 18 9:18 AM
Get your wallet out or get the GoFundMe started.
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 9:43 AM
The sad thing is that many have forgotten about the two boys in South County’s school district that were flayed, dismembered, and hacked beyond recognition by illegal El Salvadoran aliens. I can’t imagine the pain and suffering they endured and the pain their families experience every day. The community’s condolences go out to the families and friends of Mollie Tibbetts, Bellport’s Justin Llivicura & Jorge Tigre, Bridgehampton’s Anna Pump, Water Mill’s Sister ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 9:50 AM
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A nationwide ad should start running prior to November simply showing all of the American citizens that have been killed by Racist White Nationalists just this year. No words. Just a little text and music. Would be very effective. Wouldn't even need to mention political parties.
By Aeshtron (431), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 9:16 AM
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A nationwide ad should start running prior to November simply showing all of the American citizens that have been killed by school shooters just this year. No words. Just a little text and music. Would be very effective. Wouldn’t even need to mention political parties.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 23, 18 10:08 AM
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Johnj, that gets a thoughts and prayers. No outrage, just thoughts and prayers.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 10:12 AM
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No outrage? Geez. Please. Let's take a closer look.

School shootings - Outrage at the murders across party lines

Murders by Racist White Nationalists - Outrage at the murders across party lines

Murders by Illegals - Democrats are the un-indicted co-conspirators by their defense of sanctuary cities and proponents of open borders and elimination of ICE. See the SHAMELESS and DISPICABLE: Democrat Sen. Warren Defending illegal immigrants after Mollie Tibbett's Murder. See ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 11:12 AM
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Fine people on both sides'd
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 23, 18 12:14 PM
Po Boy, it’s too soon to talk about it. Ones not the time. Unfortunately for your narrative, I hate all murders. I don’t want anyone being killed. For mollie, it’s sad, very sad. If it was by someone here illegally, he’s gonna face justice soon enough. The whole thing is too sad for words. On the other hand, why politicize it?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 11:23 AM
It is very sad Fred. But I'm 100% certain Cristhian Bahena Rivera politicized it when he A) came here illegally, B) stole someone's identify C) committed murder. Murder in and of itself is horrible enough, but that at minimum is THREE crimes.

I'm also certain it's politicized through passive aggressive reference to "thoughts and prayer," "murders by Racist White Nationalists," and "school shooters". Justice? Where's the justice unless this is screamed at the top of our lungs.


By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 11:43 AM
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Po Boy, tell that to members of Congress after the next mass murder. It’s generally a shrug and saying we can’t do anything. Spare me your outrage, if it fits your agenda it’s good. I’m outraged by the murder too, as I’m outraged by school children being murdered. This sad murder just fits nicely into your jigsaw puzzle at this time. Until I hear the same outrage for all killings, this is just politics.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 11:56 AM
Fred, it really doesn't take long in any political discussion for a Democrat to accuse someone of the very thing they're guilty of.

"I’m outraged by the murder too, as I’m outraged by school children being murdered." That's actually part of your problem Fred - you're drawing equivalence to two different and distinct issues that contain unique variables. Unless you accept the fact that Illegal immigration is illegal and treat it accordingly, acknowledge that murder is murder ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 12:20 PM
Po Boy, spare me your bs, I’m done debating you. Dead people are dead people.unwittingly? Spare me. Your a torch carrying partisan for the worst and most vile president in history, and I’m unwittingly doing what? Mass shootings are generally carried out by some nut, yes they have a second amendment right, as I do.take your pathetic hand wringing somewhere else. We can’t solve gun crimes because of the second amendment. Good .
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 12:28 PM
Dog whistle..."torch carrying partisan".

They're not gun crimes Fred, they're crimes committed by people, just like illegal immigration and murder by illegals!

Fred, you're so out of touch you're nearly invisible.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 1:25 PM
So why is a legislative response to one appropriate, but not the other?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 18 1:31 PM
Po Boy, I apologize for the misunderstanding. I didn’t mean that kind of torch carrying person. Meant more in line with,”carrying the torch for someone “, no racist hidden meaning. I don’t dog whistle, you know when I call someone out.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 2:40 PM
No worries Fred, thanks for clarifying.

Fore, what suggestion for new legislation response to one are you alluding to?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 3:55 PM
I gather from prior conversations that you are in favor of people control in the case of immigration but not mass shootings.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 18 4:09 PM
That didn't answer the question, what suggestion for new legislation response are you alluding to?

"So why is a legislative response to one appropriate, but not the other?"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3565), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 18 1:31 PM


By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 8:50 PM
Aren't you in favor of a legislative response for problems related to immigration?

If that's an inaccurate representation of your beliefs, please let us know.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 18 9:53 PM
"Us", I'm in favor of enforcing current immigration law.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 23, 18 10:03 PM
So no changes to immigration law are desirable in your view?

Not to family sponsorship or lottery visas?

That's not how I thought you felt, but thank you for the clarity.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 18 10:13 PM
Oh, I see, you're introducing the universe of immigration law into the discussion, not just limited to the topic at hand. Don't get me wrong, I'd change some things as you've alluded, but enforcing current law to the letter would go a long LONG way.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 24, 18 9:43 AM
THAT'S how I thought you felt: people control where you personally find it desirable and not where you don't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 24, 18 12:23 PM
I find the breaking of law and infringement of rights rather undesirable.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 10:38 AM
Let's see, nineteen months the orange cheetoh has been in office. Remember his campaign promise of ending the carnage? Not one bill has been voted on for immigration reform, not one! With control of congress, nothing has been done. Mind you, this is from the greatest dealmaker ever, and nothing, nada has been done. No wall, no Mexico paying for it, no reform. I make deals, that's what I do, ha-ha and you saps believe him.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 11:23 AM
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You know perfectly well that we need to get the Rhinos out of Congress because they are not voting against there backers who love the illegal aliens. After we kick out some of these obstructionist in November you will see the things will start to move along in the areas that you mentioned

. Make America great again
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Aug 23, 18 4:22 PM
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While we might disagree on the direction, I certainly agree with your prediction of robust movement following November.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 18 4:32 PM
Widow, great advice. So in your mind the “rhinos” are obstructionist? You should get a job as a political adviser.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 6:23 PM
So health care and immigration Drumpf rates a zero, Obama deported more. Health plan of being cheaper and a better policy was more fantasy.Mexico isn't paying. Infrastructure rates a zero, no plans, no nothing. Balancing the budget, cutting the deficit, a big fat zero. He gave cronies lifetime tax breaks while interest on our debt is one of the biggest expenditures we have.He gave the simpletons a tax break for two years ( my taxes went up, fantasy tax break I guess), which was eaten up by the price ...more
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 8:25 PM
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At the end of the day, the greatest deal maker hasn't made any deals. The only thing that got passed was the tax break so cheapskate child-liar-in-chief can get reimbursed for donating his salary. Gorsuch was a gift from the previous administration, even the tangerine toddler couldn't screw that up. By the way, how is that policy of guns, guns, guns working out. Massacred and butchered Americans from sea to shining sea. We had more dead teenagers from mass shootings than casualties from our war ...more
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 8:34 PM
I did forget to give him credit for something, A+ for dividing the country. Us and them, little classless, lowlife is what you chose.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 8:42 PM
Religious conservatives condemned Bishop Wuerll, but not the president.

Check
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 23, 18 10:50 PM
Mets fan, the president did pass some gas yesterday after seeing Cohen and Manafort verdicts.so, he did pass something.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 23, 18 8:44 PM
President Trump has a full day today.
That's because he is the President of the United States.
That's because he won in 2016.
That's because he promised to undo everything obama did.
That's because obama never did anything in the best interest of America.
That's because they never thought it was all that great to begin with.

So why would you ever vote for one again?
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 24, 18 8:12 AM
I'm a capitalist. I was a business owner who provided many jobs for the community. You should check your tip-toeing, egg walking on idol when it comes to Putin
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 8:19 AM
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By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 8:22 AM
When you've lost all hope of winning actual elections, go for the Venezuelan model. Just prosecute the opposition.... yet through all the pandemonium surrounding Trump the man never misses a beat, Another inspiring rally... out amongst the people...he loves every minute of it.
He's fearless and unflappable.
What a day... they got nothin!
RIP Mollie...
MAGA 2020 !
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Aug 24, 18 8:28 AM
Rule of law, I thought that was important to right wing-nuts
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 8:45 AM
The First Amendment, I thought that was important to the Alt Left ?
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 24, 18 8:57 AM
What does that mean?
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 9:01 AM
Liberals don't care about free speech.....unless their free speech is violated. Then it's the end of the world, progressives will dust off the concept of "oppression" only when it's politically expedient to them.

Bill Maher defended sites like InfoWars on Friday’s episode of Real Time with Bill Maher, arguing that self-described liberals should be in favor of free speech and tech companies are out of control censoring people they don't like... as free speech should be a core American ...more
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 24, 18 9:15 AM
Joe, get your head out of your b_ _ _ ,there’s no “alt left”. The alt right is a term your fringe right embraced . Don’t try to spin this around.your hero Richard Spencer , white nationalist and racist bigot coined the phrase.This pile of steaming s_ _ _ is yours to own, embrace it . Oh wait, you already do
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 9:21 AM
Joe, another foolish argument. “ liberals don’t care about free speech.....unless their free speech is violated “. So tell me, when does the right complain about free speech? Yes , when it’s perceived to be violated. Bill Maher is a blow hard, you can have him . Thanks for posting from a fake news site. Or is it fake if it doesn’t fit your warped sense of reality?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 9:26 AM
hillary clinton - married to prolific rapist
bill clinton - prolific rapist
huma - married to imprisoned child sexual predator
anthony weiner - dnc laptop, imprisoned child sexual predator
podesta - spirit dinner chef/kiddies in the pool
al franken - dnc favorite who sexually assaulted a sleeping soldier on film.
harvey weinstein - prolific rapist, dnc sugar daddy
hollywood - seething rape culture whereby libs overlook the systematic raping of liberals because they are ...more
Aug 24, 18 8:39 AM appended by even flow
The information above will not phase liberals in the least.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 24, 18 8:39 AM
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What does this have to with Drumpf's performance?
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 8:45 AM
Even flow, Hillary isn’t the president. After trumps booted out of office you can go over your whataboutisms all you want.how about bill o’reilly, roger ailes, George nader, Donald trump. You are lost in space
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 9:15 AM
Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert was indicted on federal charges of structuring bank withdrawals after prosecutors alleged Hastert had molested at least four boys as young as 14 and attempted to compensate his victims and subsequently conceal the transactions. Hastert eventually admitted that he sexually abused the boys whom he had coached decades earlier, and was sentenced to fifteen months in prison.

Republican Tim Nolan, chairman of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign ...more
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 12:38 PM
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is ...more
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 12:38 PM
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. ...more
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 12:40 PM
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken ...more
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 12:40 PM
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was ...more
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 12:41 PM
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault ...more
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 12:41 PM
Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor ...more
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 12:41 PM
The Party of Family Values™
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 12:43 PM
Dilbert' creator, Scott Adams weighs in on the Paul Manafort/Michael Cohen "guilty" outcomes on Wednesday's edition of his daily Coffee With Scott Adams .....

" So Carl Bernstein has become the "Worse Than Watergate!" guy, that is all he says, no matter what the situation is, whatever the situation is, it is worse than Watergate.

The president got a parking ticket -- it is worse than Watergate.

The president took a phone call -- it is worse than Watergate.

This ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 24, 18 8:40 AM
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27dan, do not compare me to trump. He’s the worst president, that’s beside the point. He has no moral compass, is a racist, spreads conspiracy theories on his Twitter acct, last one about white farmers in SA, lies daily . The most despicable person imaginable. Sex with a porn star, yuck. He’s a disgrace. So I guesss he’s similar to you, don’t include me in your disgusting comment.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 9:44 AM
Really ??? Was that an admission Fred or a Freudian slip of the tongue !

"27dan, do not compare me to trump."

Are you Carl Bernstein Fred ?

Makes a lot of sense ! How very delicious !
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 24, 18 10:14 AM
How very delicious indeed I have screen shotted this just in case.

Nice Job Dan !

WOW
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 24, 18 10:18 AM
27 dan,”flawed human similar to us all” your words , not mine. We both breathe air, that’s the only thing similar.are you bozo dan? You act life it.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 10:19 AM
Good one chim chim, you can show it at your group meeting.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 10:24 AM
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By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 24, 18 10:29 AM

Wow is right ! Fred could be Carl Bernstein " this is bigger than Watergate" lol
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Aug 24, 18 10:38 AM
Bum, better Bernstein than trump.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 10:43 AM
Usual hypocritical right. Can you imagine Obama saying he liked to grab'em by the privates, a black man, but if you agreed with his policies, it's all okay. How about if Obama had an affair with a porn star, forget it the country is going great. He didn't have the affair, he wasn't a sexual predator.But we did have seventy five straight months of job growth, unemployment after spiking to ten percent down to 4.7%. Stock market going from 8,000 to 19,000.The biggest part of the longest bull market ...more
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 8:57 AM
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President Trump
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Aug 24, 18 9:18 AM
Ditch bum, president trump, is a low moral vile human being, fixed it for you.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 9:28 AM
Fortunately for our country, many of the commenters here act more diplomatically in person than they do here (myself included) The vast majority of people who leave bombastic, anonymous comments here are decent human beings who are able to politely work productively with people who have different opinions. Not only is the East End beautiful but it is also among relatively few locations that are roughly 50/50 republicans and democrats -- how wonderful that we do live near each other, caring for ...more
By Aeshtron (431), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 3:47 PM
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That was nicely said Aeshtron- but in East Hampton registered Democrats outnumber Republicans almost (and getting there) 3 to 1. And many don't register with either party to save themselves the personal, unproductive attacks that come from both sides - and individuals orchestrating the parties who think nothing of bringing others down to "win" - just look at the what's going on with I, R, and D parties punching each other in public!!! For their own personal power to appoint people to Boards, who ...more
By Board Watcher (534), East Hampton on Aug 24, 18 6:32 PM
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Very nice Aeshtron
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 24, 18 4:32 PM
If collusion is a crime, the tech giants are committing mass treason on behalf of the Democrat party.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Aug 24, 18 7:26 PM

A phony investigation into Russia collusion has turned into a permanent fishing expedition.

Completely anti democrati behavior from a party that purports to care about democracy
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 25, 18 5:38 AM
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Let's see, 20 years of Republican led witch hunt into investigating the Clintons with no one going to jail. Mueller is 1 year into his investigations. Just to make things fair, Mueller should keep investigating for 19 more years. The only problem I see with that scenario is that, given his current pace, he's going to run out of Republicans to put in jail long before the 19 years is up.
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Aug 27, 18 6:45 AM

A phony investigation into Russia collusion has turned into a permanent fishing expedition.

Completely anti democrati behavior from a party that purports to care about democracy
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 25, 18 5:38 AM
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Only the naive and very uniformed would fall for the selling out of our country by social media giants, but unfortunately there are plenty of brainwashed sheep..

They're going to flood FB/social media with Leftist/MARXIST propaganda. Sounds to me like they're using the same tactics they accused the Russians of doing.

Be Prepared Patriots, the Marxist left are going to use every dirty trick in the book to win, but they do every election, so we will defeat them again just like we ...more
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 25, 18 8:21 AM
Joe, if it wasn’t for Facebook, trump might not be president. Remember the Russian trolls? Of course you don’t. Your a patriot? That’s laughable. Your a little sheep who’s upset social media doesn’t do racist , white nationalist conspiracy theory nonsense. But listen ba ba white sheep, you can still get your non news from different platforms. You’ll be ok, just keep saying but , but , but over and over agin. I’ll translate that for you so you can understand, ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 25, 18 8:36 AM
Slimey, try to follow along. It was started by republicans. Your party has the house and presidency. The minority party can’t start investigations. So it’s the republicans you have to whine about. Jefferson Beauregard Sessions recused himself from anything to do with the election. Rod Rosenstein appointed mueller to do the investigation. There you go slimey, it’s a Republican thing. Your president shot himself in the foot and is crying about it. Your party is going to bring down ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 25, 18 6:04 AM
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The Dow was 18.240 on Election Night . The pundits were standing around saying we are going to open today at a lose do to the Trump upset... Well it went up that morning and never looked back ...


MAGA
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 25, 18 8:10 AM
Correction, when Barack Obama got in we never looked backed. One hundred and five months of a bull market, the braggadocio child-liar-in-chief owns nineteen of them.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 25, 18 7:16 PM
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The same economic indicators ignored during the Obama administration are now being touted.

Remember how Spicer addressed it? "The numbers may have been fake before but they're very real now."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 25, 18 8:16 PM
Spicer, he was a gem.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 25, 18 8:23 PM
In reality, the stock market and the economy continued to fall until the Republicans took control of congress and stopped Obamas crazy ideas.
By Spinny OHO (94), Speonk on Aug 25, 18 8:29 PM
Spinny, In reality? Who’s reality? When was the stock market going down?explain your statement, when was the stock market going down?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 25, 18 8:39 PM
That's just patently false, but don't expect Spinny to come back and defend himself.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 18 12:15 AM
Joe, go look at the stock market graph for say, last 9 yrs. upward trend , after Bush recession. You can thank Obama at anytime. Why don’t you put that derogatory comment about Obama up again, you know the one about bicycle seats and Muslims. Show your true colors. I like your avatar of a soaring buzzard, circling the White House? Plenty of fresh kill coming out of there.funny how trumps inner circle are all getting immunity. Poor trump, lies and skeevy dealings are coming back to haunt him.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 25, 18 8:29 AM
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By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 25, 18 9:43 AM
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By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 25, 18 9:55 AM
Courtesy of Politico:

“There’s only so much of this sh-- show a soccer mom wants to hear about and explain to her kids,” said one top Republican consultant representing House Republican candidates on both coasts. “Payoffs and porn stars and affairs and indictments and all this stuff doesn’t make America great again in the suburbs.”

Another Republican strategist involved in Midwestern races echoed that sentiment, speaking to the gaping gender ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 25, 18 9:00 PM
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By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 25, 18 9:54 AM
Just FYI for the GOP cheerleaders:

Cristhian Rivera, charged in Mollie Tibbetts' death, worked at a farm owned by a prominent Iowa Republican family

Austin Cannon, Des Moines Register Published 10:39 p.m. CT Aug. 21, 2018 | Updated 8:36 p.m. CT Aug. 22, 2018
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 26, 18 12:27 AM
All the more reason for mandated e-verify, I-9 due diligence is not enough.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 7:26 AM
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LANNY DAVIS: Well, I think, uhm, the reporting of this story got mixed up. In the course of a criminal investigation we were not the source of this story. In the course of a criminal investigation, the advice we were given — those of us dealing with the media is that we could not do anything other than stay silent.

[…]

ANDERSON COOPER: So Michael Cohen does not have information that President Trump knew about the meeting with the Russians either beforehand or immediately ...more
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 26, 18 3:07 AM
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Even flow, He said on "AC360" that Cohen "might be able to be useful to the Special Counsel about whether Trump knew ahead of time about the hacking of the Hillary Clinton e-mails... I think what he can say would be useful and that's the way I have to leave it."that’s a little more definitive then no
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 7:12 AM
Are you asking me to believe you and not the actual transcripts?
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 26, 18 7:21 AM
Even flow, go listen to the whole tape. What he says after your quotes. That’s what I copied. You copied what transpired be fore my quote in the same interview.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 7:44 AM
Even flow, He said on "AC360" that Cohen "might be able to be useful to the Special Counsel about whether Trump knew ahead of time about the hacking of the Hillary Clinton e-mails... I think what he can say would be useful and that's the way I have to leave it."that’s a little more definitive then no
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 7:12 AM
Rest In Peace John McCain, a true American hero. Although I didn’t agree 100% with his politics, he was still a very good man.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 7:51 AM
this is what the left was saying about John McCain when he was a candidate. never believe these phony politicalwhores:

By BEN SMITH 06/30/2008 04:54 AM EDT
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The highest-voltage third rail of this presidential campaign may not be race, sex or age, but John McCain's military service.

On Sunday, McCain's campaign issued a pair of outraged statements after retired general and Barack Obama supporter Wesley Clark said he didn't think that McCain’s ...more
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 7:53 AM
W C and J M what a pair of
D Bags
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 26, 18 9:56 AM
Slimey. Here’s , here’s what the head of the politicalwhores had to say.”He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 8:13 AM
You just proved my point. You were unfazed by it then but want us to believe you find it unseemly now. That was easy. Thank you.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 8:20 AM
Even flow, please answer.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 9:17 AM
Even flow, are you talking about McCain or your incomplete quotes of Lanny Davis? I liked John McCain. He comes from a time you could disagree about politics but still treat everyone decently.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 8:31 AM
Let's remember what The Deplorable Donald said about McCain:

“He’s not a war hero,” Trump said. Sarcastically, Trump quipped, “He’s a war hero because he was captured.” Then, he added, “I like people that weren’t captured.”

That from General Bone Spur.

Others in the past may have quibbled about the nobility of John McCain's sacrifice but NO ONE (either Democrat or Republican) has ever approached in vileness the egomaniacal, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 26, 18 9:03 AM
It's too bad McCain couldn't separate his personal dislike for the president and his duty to serve the American people. He colluded with the Dems on the phony Russian dossier and his vote against the ObamaCare repeal was meant to stick it to President Trump but it stuck it to all of us. There's more to life than politics but failed presidential candidate McCain made it difficult to separate the two.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Aug 26, 18 10:11 AM
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) praised a move by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) on Saturday to limit the role of superdelegates in choosing the party's presidential nominee.

“Today's decision by the DNC is an important step forward in making the Democratic Party more open, democratic and responsive to the input of ordinary Americans," Sanders said in a statement.
By local 84 (353), riverhead on Aug 26, 18 9:59 AM
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This is a solid man.” I can’t trust Obama. I have read about him, and he’s not, um, he’s an Arab,” a woman said to McCain at a town hall meeting in Lakeville, Minnesota in October 2008.

McCain grabbed the microphone from her, cutting her off. “No, ma’m,” he said. “He’s a decent family man [and] citizen that just I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues, and that’s what the campaign’s all about. ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 10:02 AM
His thumbs down to save obamacare was pure spite, selfish. The man always had a chip on his shoulder...to the bitter end

He was the textbook 3rd generation of a dynasty... A spoiled entitled punk that skated by on his connections and arrogance... carelessly destroyed three planes... shot down after he admittedly failed to take basic evasive actions...
And now stand back and watch as the left expands on the hero mythology of someone they've decried as a warmonger for years... so they ...more
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 26, 18 10:07 AM
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Joe, to you the patriot. You attack McCain I an odd sort of way. He wouldn’t have been shot down “if”. As in , if the dog didn’t stop to take a s_ _ _ , he would have caught the rabbit. So, every person who was shot down can attribute it to bad maneuvers? I like how you called him a spoiled entitled punk. How would you describe your esteemed leader trump?3rd generation entitled punk who had 5 deferments? Your entitled to your opinion. But a man who made it to the point ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 10:29 AM
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- Supported Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Libya, Syria
- Gang Of 8 amnesty after winning re-election on no amnesty
- Supported IRS fraud against Tea Party.
- Handed fraudulent FISA warrant to FBI.
- Voted for Obamacare after winning re-election against it.
- Refused to resign in December, so his death would be #1 story.
- Refused to resign, b/c gov refused to appoint his wife.
- Keating 5 crimes. Refused to resign.
- Darling of Brit Hume and Fake News Globalist Media.
- ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 26, 18 10:39 AM
Hey chim chim, Brit Hume is a Fox guy, explain that please.plus he was smart enough to know trump is a loser. I didn’t agree with him on all his politics, but we both agree on trump.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 10:49 AM
"Handed fraudulent FISA warrant to the FBI"? Someone doesn't know how law enforcement works.

If McCain was a spoiled entitled punk I don't even want to know what you think of Donnie trust fund.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 18 12:54 PM
What I'll remember MOST of John McCain:
How he promised to end Obamacare and then voted to save it with one last stab in the heart of every American..

No RINO stabbed the TEA Party in the back more viciously than Senator John McCain. That will always be his legacy in my memory.Maybe now John can be at peace and the party can start to move forward. Because he certainly hasn't helped with that in quite a few years now. Should have retired YEARS ago. Conservative? Hero? I’ll be respectful, ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 26, 18 10:04 AM
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27dan, the tea party is dead, hold on if you want. Now you have the freedom caucus . Most obstructionist group since, well the tea party. Both these self serving groups ripped apart your party like no other. I applaud you backing both these soon to be extinct groups. They don’t know how to legislate, just obstruct.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 10:33 AM
@ Undocumented Democrat, 27day, Taz & joe hampton

The homunculi have spoken.

By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 26, 18 10:41 AM
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Get out your dictionaries everyone! Big words do not make you intelligent.
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Aug 26, 18 10:46 AM
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Does that mean I’m smart for using small misspelled words? Or am I still a dumb a_ _? Probably the latter.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 26, 18 10:58 AM
ATTENTION AMERICA!

Here's the left's agenda-
Higher taxes
Impeach Trump
open Borders
impeach Trump
Pure Marxism
Impeach Trump
No law and order
Impeach Trump
Tear down our great economy
Impeach Trump
Abolish Ice
impeach trump
seize our guns
impeach Trump
Censor our freedom of speech/religion and expressions
impeach Trump
Tear down more historical monuments
impeach Trump

Why would ANYONE with any sense vote ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Aug 26, 18 11:39 PM
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Brian Stelter and Carl Bernstein ignored Cnn’s bungled President Trump tower story.
The host of CNN’s media criticism show “Reliable Sources” on Sunday interviewed Carl Bernstein, one of the reporters who wrote a since-debunked story asserting that former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen claimed President Donald Trump approved the infamous Trump Tower meeting.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 26, 18 11:51 PM
UD - As a registered Democrat I don't agree with your politics. I find our current president to be a disgusting POS. A cheat, a liar and a con man. Quite possibly even a traitor and a Russian asset. I do however agree with your assessment of the Democratic agenda. It is that agenda that put DJT in the White House. Like many other Democrats, I could not vote for HRC. I was going to not vote for that office in the last election but after 44 years of not missing an election I decided instead to vote ...more
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Aug 27, 18 10:20 AM
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As a registered Democrat, I only agree with one of the things UD listed. Can you guess which one?
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 27, 18 10:29 AM
Senate Review of
the Department of Homeland Security’s Missions and Performance:

The Department consistently has not enforced the nation’s immigration laws. Immigration experts, including some former DHS officials, point out that a person living in the United States illegally faces an extremely slim chance of facing consequences for violating federal immigration laws. Although DHS instituted a policy to focus its law enforcement and removal efforts on criminal aliens, the ...more
Aug 27, 18 11:16 AM appended by Dawn_O
2015 Senate Review
By Dawn_O (45), Southampton on Aug 27, 18 11:16 AM
Any Democrat who thinks the party platform is "open borders" and "pure marxism" is more brainwashed by Fox News than any Trumpet.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 1:56 PM
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That's exactly the point FB. No true Democrat does think that. That's just what Trump wants you to think. And his base is gullible (aka "dumb") enough to believe it.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 27, 18 2:12 PM
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"Republicans are going to call us socialists no matter what we do, so we might as well give them the real thing."

~ Democrat Candidate for NYS Governor, Cynthia Nixon

"Time To Abolish "Ugly And Wrong" ICE, Replace With "Something That Reflects Our Morality""

~ Democrat Senator Elizabeth Warren

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 2:25 PM
Specifically, I was referring to Bird's concurrence with UD's "assessment."

I simply refuse to believe anyone would purposely identify themselves with a party they believed was in favor of "no law and order" but that's exactly what Bird says she is.

Why wouldn't you just call yourself an independent or republican if that's really what you think of the Democratic platform?
Aug 27, 18 2:31 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Po: Nixon has never been elected to any office and immigration enforcement pre-dates (and would outlive) the current iteration of ICE, thanks for playing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 2:31 PM
"Time To Abolish "Ugly And Wrong" ICE, Replace With "Something That Reflects Our Morality"

In order to provide law enforcement which reflects morality, the laws being enforced would need to reflect morality as well. Enforcement of laws must remain impartial to broad appeals for compassion and morality.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 27, 18 5:49 PM
If your view is that legality reflects morality it doesn't hold up historically, and I'd be wary of anyone who contends that doing anything under the cover of law is irrefutably doing the right thing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 6:56 PM
@ Fore
A very basic principle taught in introductory law is Salmond's theory of interlocking circles which illustrates the interrelationship between morals and law. Ideally in an advanced society one would “hope” and “expect” that laws and morals fully overlap which more often than not don’t, as illustrated in the very complex issue of immigration.
It is however unfortunate that Immigration policy cannot satisfy broad appeals for compassion and morality. ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 27, 18 7:19 PM
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@sdg1776: " fiscal burdens"? "reduced quality of life for business owners"? Seriously? Cheap help creates a"burden"? Good to know. Think businesses large and small could survive a mass deportation?
Service industries here rely totally on immigrants? Think the major corps wanted the influx stopped? Your assertions are baseless.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 27, 18 8:20 PM
It's true that law should reflect morality, and that the failure to enforce any law to the fullest extent has some adverse consequences to law-abiding people. The question of how those we balance those equities is the history of law: who gets what, when, where and how.

As June alluded to, mass deportations and by extension zero-tolerance policies blunt the effectiveness of one of the best tools we have in balancing those equities: prosecutorial discretion.

I don't have the answers, ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 9:47 PM
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JJ - I wish your response was more clear. It is apparent that you agree with "Impeach Trump" as part of the agenda but unclear if you disagree with the balance of the agenda or if you disagree that the balance is part of the agenda.
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Aug 27, 18 10:48 AM
With its every utterance, the depraved Far-RIght enlarges our understanding of its abject moral bankruptcy. In its latest obscenity, its true believers go out of their way to dance on the grave of a good man who devoted his entire life to their service.

God grant that we become able to identify and to remedy the societal and psychological malignancies that enable the development of these degenerates. We have monsters enough!
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 27, 18 10:59 AM
HHS - Agreed. While I often disagreed with the late Senator from Arizona, I never once believed that was not a Patriot, that he did not love this country or that he did not do what he thought would be best for the country. I admired that he could reach across the isle when he thought it is was best, that he was accessible and would tell you clearly what his convictions were. I admired that after consideration, if thought he had made a mistake, he would publicly acknowledge it and take ownership ...more
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Aug 27, 18 11:34 AM
@ bird

I, too, had my differences with McCain. In my case, I thought that he prized honor too highly above compassion. I am minded of the fact that he cut dead another admiral's son who was shot down at the same time as he and who carried him on his shoulders to the pow camp, undoubtedly saving McCain's life. That man later accepted repatriation based on his prestigious parentage, an offer that McCain refused himself since it was a violation of the officers' code. McCain couldn't get ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 27, 18 3:04 PM
STOCKS SMASH RECORD ON NEW NAFTA
TENSIONS WITH MEXICO EASE U.S., Mexico reach NAFTA deal; talks with Canada to start immediately
Roberta Rampton, Jeff Mason
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump and Mexico reached a deal on Monday to change the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and talks with Canada were expected to begin immediately
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 27, 18 12:18 PM
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Mexico loves Trump. Tequila and hugs!
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 27, 18 2:09 PM
I admire McCain's service to our country but abhor his vote on OBAMACARE! That was unforgiveable.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 27, 18 4:16 PM
That seems like a narrow view of a long and distinguished career of service, no better than the folks who admire his compassion in voting against Trumpcare but abhor his military policy and neoconservative chops, but we're all free to draw our own lines in the sand.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 4:22 PM
Knowingly passing the fake dossier to Brennan, joining with John Kerry to insist Viet Nam had no POW remains never stepping down, claiming on his death bed that he should have never picked sarah Palin and that ACA vote were among his most vindictive moves.

His egotistical and petty self eulogy takes the cake, though.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 27, 18 4:28 PM
So you think McCain "knowingly passed the fake dossier to Brennan"?

First, which part has been proven fake? Secondly, isn't it the responsibility of law enforcement to determine veracity? Lastly, isn't it worse to possess potentially criminal intelligence and NOT pass it to law enforcement?

McCain may have done some Slimy things, but he's a far more admirable figure than POTUS.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 4:39 PM
Of course he "knowingly passed the fake dossier to Brennan." He did it on December 9, 2016. But he was one a few unwitting tool in the whole Democrat funded Steele dossier charade....leaking to news outlets...unsubstantiated details... leaking to government officials.... basing FISA warrants on it.

It's brilliant if it wasn't so damn scarily sinister.



Aug 27, 18 8:55 PM appended by Po Boy
But I have come to expect nothing less of Democrats - the party who paid protesters to disrupt and agitate Trump rallies all to create the desired illusion.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 8:55 PM
We're mixing our states of mind, so what was "knowing" and what was "unwitting"?

Clearly McCain passed it along to law enforcement knowingly, but the implication in Slime's comment is that he did it with the knowledge that it was false: that assertion is specifically what I'm taking up an issue with.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 9:34 PM
Well, then I guess it depends on your definition of "knowingly."

Ain't it interesting though that McCain in his run up to the 2008 campaign was also being rolled by allegations of Russian influence of the same Russian oligarchs and diplomats. The only difference, the FBI has said that there is no evidence that Trump ever met with a Russian figure. McCain on the other hand actually met twice with Deripaska, a Russian businessman and Putin ally whose visa was blocked by the United States ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 9:52 PM
Was he dogged by such allegations? I frankly don't rememberthat, and recall McCain being admonished as a neoconservative war-hawk more than anything.
Aug 27, 18 9:59 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
As to the definition of "knowingly" I think it's a safe assumption that McCain neither knew nor could independently verify the veracity of the claims within the dossier, so passing it to law enforcement sounds like a safe option.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 9:59 PM
No, McCain was simply warned about the Russian contacts; it was back in the day of a different FBI - pre Obama politicization. Trump on the other hand, was dogged BY the Obama politicized FBI.
Aug 27, 18 10:09 PM appended by Po Boy
"As to the definition of "knowingly" I think it's a safe assumption that McCain neither knew nor could independently verify the veracity of the claims within the dossier, so passing it to law enforcement sounds like a safe option." Ain't that the beauty of it all that the "patriot" was fed the information. And so it all began.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 10:09 PM
So what you're saying is that he should've kept the intelligence to himself rather than passed it on to law enforcement?

Well alright then...agree to disagree.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 10:46 PM
No, that's what you're deducing.
Aug 27, 18 11:17 PM appended by Po Boy
But I'll RESTATE Fore your benefit, "But he was one a few unwitting tools in the whole Democrat funded Steele dossier charade....leaking to news outlets...unsubstantiated details... leaking to government officials...". basing FISA warrants on it. It's brilliant if it wasn't so damn scarily sinister.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 11:17 PM
So be explicit: what do you think McCain should have done?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 11:23 PM
He did what he was expected to do.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 11:30 PM
The absence of an alternative preferable to sharing the dossier with law enforcement is noted.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 18 11:34 PM
As is the usefulness of McCain to be a useful tool in the funneling of the Steele dossier.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 11:40 PM
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I'm still not reading what you think he should have done instead. It's the job of law enforcement to determine veracity of intelligence, period.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 28, 18 11:11 AM
Po Boy, can you back up the story of paid protesters?something a little more then ,” I seen it on tv”. Give it a try
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 28, 18 11:43 AM
@Po Boy: Who feeds you all the claptrap you so gullibly eat up? Here's something you can take to the bank: trump pays some rally attendees. That is fact.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 28, 18 6:02 PM
Democratic heads roll after video shows agitators planted at Trump rallies. By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times October 18, 2016

"Two top Democratic strategists have exited the presidential campaign after explosive undercover videos showed them discussing voter fraud and their roles in planting paid agitators at campaign events for Republican candidate Donald Trump."

Aug 28, 18 9:46 PM appended by Po Boy
That's debatable June. Not only does $12,000 not get you very much, it is under question whether the Trump campaign was aware, hence, the dismissing of the allegations.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 28, 18 9:46 PM
I'm sure you'd be equally ambivalent if the money trail led to a Democrat.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 28, 18 10:22 PM
It's dawning on me Fore, you and the rest of the cabal don't offer up too much in the way of substance.

As you like to say, no wrong doing was found.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 28, 18 10:31 PM
There's nothing wrong with paying people to attend your rallies, other than having to pay people to attend your rallies, that is.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 29, 18 3:44 AM
Is there anything wrong with paying people to agitate at rallies?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 29, 18 12:29 PM
Po Boy , back up your paid agitators claim. Trump
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 29, 18 12:36 PM
Keep up Moe, Done and done.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 29, 18 5:59 PM
President Donald Trump and Donald Trump Jr. ripped into CNN’s Carl Bernstein Monday over a now-debunked story about Trump Tower.
“Comical to watch @CNN covering for leftist hack @carlbernstein. He & Obama staffer @jimsciutto obviously got story wrong,” Trump Jr. tweeted.

He added, “CNN ‘stands by’ it anyway, defending literal fake news. 3 ‘reporters’ were fired for false CNN hit on @Scaramucci & this is FAR worse!”:
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Aug 27, 18 5:30 PM
Nice job with the copy and paste feature. Breitbart?
Bernstein "the hack" who helped bring down Nixon?
Why not rake Trump and Junior over the coals for all the lies about their Russian Adoptions meetings?
By Arnold Timer (327), Sag Harbor on Aug 27, 18 6:05 PM
Lanny Davis has told BuzzFeed News that he was an anonymous source for CNN's Trump Tower bombshell, a story he now disputes. He also regrets lying about his involvement, on CNN's own air, in an interview with Anderson Cooper last week ...

Comical to watch CNN covering for leftist hack carlbernstein. He & Obama staffer jimsciutto obviously got story wrong. CNN "stands by" it anyway, defending literal fake news. 3 "reporters" were already fired for false CNN hit on Trump staff & this is FAR ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 28, 18 7:52 AM
@ Po Boy

It's difficult to pick a piece of your posts to object to since you submerge your lies and misdirections in a stew of fraudulent assumptions and suppositions, but lets do a limited review.

Your assertion that the FBI was "politicized" by Obama (because it investigates Republican malfeasance[?])is completely devoid of merit and (of course) you make no attempt to substantiate your presumption.

Your conspiratorialist endorsement of SlimeAlive's allegation that John ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 28, 18 3:49 AM

Breaking News - Cohen lawyer admits he was anonymous CNN source for bombshell story on Trump Tower meeting

He now says it is false.

CNN stands by story.

Hahahaha
Aug 28, 18 5:08 AM appended by SlimeAlive
The above is a simple illustration of what makes the media an enemy of the people. class dismissed.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 28, 18 5:08 AM
Isn't it possible to have more than one source for a story?

That's what CNN says they have, and I look forward to your backtracking if we learn it's all true.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 28, 18 11:23 AM
hat, your radical Leftist drivel (and personal nature of your verbal vomit aside) isn't worth the screen space it's written on. Like it or not, my opinion is simply based on a mountain of articles such as this:

"Politicization of the FBI Threatens American Democracy -
Obama and Hillary have allowed our secret police to become a tool of the Democrats—which should trouble all Americans. By John R. Schindler • 10/05/16 "
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 28, 18 12:44 PM
@ Po Boy

Thanks for the cite - - - which you "neglect" to attribute to the New York Observer, an online-only "news"paper owned by Donald Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner.

Give us a break, will ya?
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 28, 18 1:37 PM
Since HHS already thanked you for the self-immolating citation, I'll simply thank you for your hateful rhetoric!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 28, 18 2:16 PM
HHS, he’s trying. Give him a second, he’ll quote someone off tv.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 28, 18 2:48 PM
I see hat, keep moving the goal post, no problem!

The Politicization of Our Security Institutions
Rachel Kleinfeld. April 25, 2018. Carnegie Endowment dot org

"I'll simply thank you for your hateful rhetoric!" hat says, and I quote... "you're welcome."
Aug 28, 18 2:56 PM appended by Po Boy
Larry, Moe and Curly have nothing on you three.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 28, 18 2:56 PM
That's right Po, lean into it, just don't complain about the level of rhetoric when you trip over your own words down the road.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 28, 18 3:35 PM
Po Boy, can I be moe?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 28, 18 3:43 PM
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LOL, spare me Fore. What makes you think just because you decide to label something "hateful rhetoric" as you're apt to do as a retort of last resort, doesn't make it's so. Sometimes it's simply an accurate recounting and calling out for the garbage that it is. Garbage in, garbage out, if you will. "Radical Leftist drivel" seems rather accurate.

Sure Fred, I dub thee, Moe.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 28, 18 4:13 PM
I'd say that any attacks of the person rather than the person's ideas are hateful rhetoric, wouldn't you agree?

Responses of substance get substance in return, as you can see from my discussions with other folks here and sometimes even you; ad hominem attacks merely get called out for what they are.

After all, why would I engage constructively with someone only interested in name-calling and further division? No, thank you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 28, 18 4:24 PM
"Responses of substance get substance in return"

Thank you for making my point. Garbage begets garbage.

Hear that hat? Fore has spoken!
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 28, 18 5:04 PM
Bingo! Substance begets substance, and garbage gets called garbage and dismissed from serious conversation in return.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 28, 18 5:16 PM
Bingo! Now you should understand who planted the seed (again) and the reason I can't take him seriously.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 28, 18 8:35 PM
So why lower yourself to the level of name-calling and personal attacks?

Oh right, because you don't actually have a problem with hateful rhetoric other than as a critique of the opposition.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 28, 18 10:11 PM
I understand my comments hit close to home for you Fore, but you can't lower something that's already been brought to the bottom, if anything, "radical Leftist drivel" and "verbal vomit" brought some clarity to the discussion.

Now, if either of you have something of substance to add, by all means...
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 28, 18 10:29 PM
I'm glad you think your hateful rhetoric is constructive or substantive and earnestly hope you run into someone who believes the same.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 29, 18 3:51 AM
@ Po Boy

Sweet Jesus.

You're outed on your reference to Jared Kushner's encomium of his father-in-law's conspiratorialist fantasy, so you pop in ANOTHER bogus reference which you misrepresent as supporting your delusional thesis.

The Carnegie Endowment article IN NO WAY confirms your assertion that the security services have become the "tool" of the Democrats. To the contrary, what it ACTUALLY SAYS is that the Right-Wing has politicized the PERCEPTION of our NATIONAL ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 29, 18 5:16 AM
Po boy is accurate which is why you can’t debate his declarations on their merits.

Employing the genetic logical fallacy is not a valid tactic. It’s a cop out.

You judged something as either good or bad on the basis of where it comes from, or from whom it came.
This fallacy avoids the argument by shifting focus onto something's or someone's origins. It's similar to an ad hominem fallacy in that it leverages existing negative perceptions to make someone's argument ...more
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 29, 18 5:38 AM
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Slimey, Po Boys article does not back up his argument. It’s basically the complete opposite of what he’s saying,the Carnegie article.employing the logical fallacy is not a cop out, it’s pointing out Po Boy completely skewed reasoning.Any tactic to shift away from his weak argument is open to debate.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 29, 18 7:13 AM
Come on Moe. The bottom line is: "As forces politicize and are seen as connected to one party or another, the principle of equality before the law erodes. Agencies are viewed as protecting friends and punishing enemies, not upholding the laws of a nation. Security agents become increasingly distrusted by portions of the populace, who see these agencies not as enforcing justice, but as upholding a political order tilted against certain citizens. Distrust of the government grows, leading sub-populations ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 29, 18 10:31 AM
"Outed" hat? LMAO, I love the way the racial Leftist mind thinks. Where would we be without your keen skills to save the day. It's high time you Leftists provide an approved list of acceptable sources in which to base right minded thinking on because certainly absent is any substantiation of your criticism -- of -- opinion.
Aug 29, 18 10:45 AM appended by Po Boy
Ain't it interesting in light of everything we now know about FBI leaks and FISA warrants that omitted information and shaded the truth, that Obama stated, "it was essential the bureau not operate based on "leaks" and "innuendo" a week later even saying, "the FBI can't be politicized" but they seemingly did exactly what Obama said, they wouldn't do - leak and act on innuendo - like the Steel dossier while creating a circular path of leak and justify based on the information leaked. If they can do it to a presidential candidate, they can do it to anyone. Scary!!!
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 29, 18 10:45 AM
Po Boy, you were using the article to prove your point, that FBI etc. was basically corrupted politically by Obama’s administration. The Carnegie piece refutes and basically says nothing about your point. It states by the president constantly attacking the institutions, he makes them less of an effecti to act. He’s demonizing them. I’m glad your finally posting citations, you might want to read them first. If moe does, you should.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 29, 18 11:13 AM
Read the Carnegie piece closer. It speaks specifically to politicization by the party in power. If you think we're not experiencing the Obama backlash present day, then, you just might be a Trump hating Liberal. Speaking of posting citations...the drum beat absence of any substantive in the echoes of responses other than.... nope nope nope nope.... is rather deafening.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 29, 18 12:27 PM
Po Boy, I don’t have to post a citation, you did. You mischaracterized to whole article.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 29, 18 12:34 PM
@ Po Boy

The fact that you omitted attribution of your quote (from an online-only "news"paper OWNED by Jared Kushner) speaks to your dishonesty. (As it does to the dishonesty of your fellow Right-Wing fanatics on this forum who habitually omit attribution of their references in order to disguise their compromised authenticity.)

But at least you posted a REFERENCE rather than your usual practice of blowing it out of your ear.

EXCELSIOR!
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 29, 18 1:38 PM
Hat, the fact that you think there was any ill intention for the innocent omission given the citation of the article title, author and date, is telling enough....about your true extremist beliefs. It's a very transparent and desperate effort to personalize the discussion and redirect it to shallow and lazy rhetoric.

Shame on you and your empty criticism.

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 29, 18 5:55 PM
@ Po Boy

Pull the other one, Po Boy.

With the other low-low Right-Wingers on this forum, your claim that you are just too dumb to know the proper procedure for citation might fly. (THEY typically plagiarize others' work remorselessly.) However, your acknowledgment that you met 3 of the 4 minimal requirements for proper citation in your reference to the article that appeared on Jared Kushner's pet online "news"paper, manifests a "knowing" intent to deceive.

Your history ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 30, 18 12:40 AM
Po Boy, except you were framing your argument with that nutty deep state bs. Trump is attacking his own agencies. He’s the one creating the problems, not Obama hold overs. One more thing. You cited an article from the Washington Times to back up your “ paid agitators “ accusations. Project Veritas? Are you kidding? O’Keefe has zero credibility. You have a knack of backing up nothing with more nothing, I think that’s called bs.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 30, 18 3:27 PM
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I see hat. You got nuthin', just nit picky etiquette bs and boring bs at that.

I see Fred, you have even less choosing to ignore actual video footage and resulting firings and attacking the source because you don't like it. So typical - of you both.

You both have zero shame for starters.


By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 30, 18 9:53 PM
I see hat. You got nuthin', just nit picky etiquette bs and boring bs at that.

I see Fred, you have even less choosing to ignore actual video footage and resulting firings and attacking the source because you don't like it. So typical - of you both.

You both have zero shame for starters.


Aug 30, 18 9:53 PM appended by Po Boy
"manifests a "knowing" intent to deceive" ..if the intent hat was so overt, you wouldn't need to put "knowing" in quotes. So in the end, it's all just a manifestation in your head. LMAO...
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 30, 18 9:53 PM
Democrats love this pope. Any questions?
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 28, 18 6:02 AM
Slime alive, I’m sure many Catholics who are republicans love the pope too. What’s your far fetched distorted opinion about?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 28, 18 6:33 AM
Many Catholics who are republicans loved John Paul II
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 28, 18 7:13 AM
hillary actually colluded with the British to illegally effect the outcome of our election when she used campaign funds to buy the fake dossier from a british spy.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 28, 18 7:31 AM
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Trump Takes Aim at Googles ‘RIGGED’ Search Results

LANNY DAVIS ADMITS HE WAS SOURCE FOR CNN’S DEBUNKED TRUMP TOWER STORY

FAKE NEWS = CNN

David Horowitz: Visa, Mastercard Cut Off Payments to My Think Tank Based on SPLC ‘Hate Group’ Label

If I weren't seeing this with my own eyes I might not believe it.
Our Fathers fought so bravely yet we're being conquered from the inside. It's heartbreaking.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 28, 18 7:44 AM
CNN, Google, Twitter, Fackbook, VISA/ MASTER CARD : If you cant win an election just cheat your way to the next one .....
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 28, 18 7:55 AM
The fun goes on forever and the party never ends.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 28, 18 9:01 AM
Crazed Student Arrested After Snatching MAGA Hat Off Classmate's Head, Slapping Teacher...EL DORADO (CBS13) — A Union Mine High School student is facing battery charges after an altercation in her classroom over a Donald Trump “Make America Great Again” campaign hat.She is now facing two counts of battery, one against her classmate and one against her teacher who deputies say she slapped, as he escorted her from the room.
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Aug 28, 18 10:08 AM
..... just terrible
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Aug 28, 18 10:12 AM
GOOGLE CEO Refuses to Testify at Senate Hearing...
THE ANTI-SOCIALS...
STUDY: How Media Companies Are Suppressing Conservative Speech...

TRUMP WARNS FACEBOOKGOOGLETWITTER
BIAS, CENSORSHIP FIRESTORM
DRUDGE REPORT

Trump Vows to Defend Citizens from Masters of the Universe!

Google, Facebook, Twitter ‘Have It RIGGED’

Google had visited the Obama White House over 230 times in seven years, we wonder how many times they've visited since ...more
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 28, 18 6:42 PM
president trump said. “you can’t do it.”
freedom of speech shall not be infringed. We have a 2nd amendment to protect it. you go mr. president. they are virtual monopolies. there is no way to get internet service except through them.

the liberal response to this is absurd. businesses are regulated all the time for good reason. protection of the first amendment is a good reason !!!
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Aug 28, 18 6:46 PM
There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to start...let's begin with the assertion that Google has a monopoly, as if you can't find another web browser, email provider, search engine, cloud backup, social network, etc.

If we're really pretending this is anything more than a distraction, I dare you to take on the web, President Trump, and please do it right before the midterms.

The political fallout alone will send popcorn prices skyrocketing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 28, 18 6:53 PM
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So then you will have no problem with algorithm transparency and TOS being followed for all !
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Aug 28, 18 9:11 PM
Why would I want government to force a private company to publicize trade secrets?

Why don't you just use another search engine if you hate Google so much?

Are you afraid that the overwhelming negative search results are just a reflection of overwhelming negative opinions about POTUS?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 28, 18 10:20 PM
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Google is a "click" driven algorithm. In other words, top results are user driven.

The stupid just burns...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 28, 18 11:16 PM
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just another example of a 'tolerant' leftist.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 29, 18 7:19 AM
Pee Wee must not know his left from his right. Not surprising.

A California man has been charged with threatening to kill Boston Globe employees over a Globe-coordinated series of newspaper editorials condemning President Trump's suggestion that journalists are the enemy, according to federal prosecutors. Robert Chain, 68, of Encino, made more than a dozen threatening phone calls to the Globe's newsroom between Aug. 10 and Aug. 22, prosecutors said Thursday.

On the day the editorials ...more
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 30, 18 2:39 PM
@ Junebug & Fore
Let me rephrase, rather than the term legitimate, I’ll redefine as businesses in compliance with Internal Revenue Code/Title 26 US Code and I-9 hiring rules. Many services businesses on the East End are not compliant in order to meet staffing needs, placing compliant businesses at a competitive disadvantage. HSI’s press release on August’s Nebraska raid included the following, “....cheating the taxpayers, and cheating their business competitors.” ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 28, 18 11:10 AM
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SDG, Working in the administration and human resource end of things in a business segment that’s been hit particularly hard with undocumented labor, you pretty much nailed it. We get a pretty good idea how competitors operate with their illegal hiring and employment practices when interviewing new hires, many of the businesses are operating pretty much as you described. We implemented e-verify in 2014 after having receiving notices from SSA of #’s not matching for several employees. ...more
By Dawn_O (45), Southampton on Aug 29, 18 11:57 AM
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CONSUMER CONFIDENCE RISES TO 18-YEAR HIGH

WASHINGTON (AP) — Americans’ consumer confidence rose in August to the highest level in nearly 18 years as their assessment of current conditions improved further and their expectations about the future rebounded.

MAGA !!!!!
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 28, 18 12:49 PM
Thanks Obama!
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 28, 18 10:18 PM
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Thanks Trump!

Courtesy of CBS:


Almost half of Americans can't pay for their basic needs

Despite the U.S. economy being near full employment, 39.4 percent of adults between 18 and 64 years old said they experienced at least one type of material hardship in 2017, according to the study, which surveyed more than 7,500 adults about whether they had trouble paying for housing, utilities, food or health care.

The findings surprised researchers at the Urban Institute, ...more
Aug 28, 18 10:21 PM appended by Mr. Z
Against the backdrop of President Donald Trump's boasting about low unemployment and strong economic growth, the research adds nuance to the problems facing American families. Middle-class households tend to struggle with paying their health care bills rather than utilities, for instance. Health care costs have outpaced wages and inflation, pushing more Americans into high-deductible plans, which can backfire when serious health problems arise. "A lot of people are looking at the fact that wages aren't keeping up with household costs as one reason families are having difficulty making ends meet," Karpman said. "Even for families with health insurance, they may be facing high deductibles that leave them facing high costs."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 28, 18 10:21 PM
More context, Thanks Obama! FAIL!

‘Happy Days’ no more: Middle-class families squeezed as expenses soar, wages stall.By Carol Morello and Scott Clement April 26, 2014.

"The problems of an anxiety-ridden middle class have grabbed the attention of politicians and scholars — and become the centerpiece of President Obama’s second-term agenda. “Every single day, I’m going to fight for these priorities: To shift the odds back in favor of more working- ...more
Aug 28, 18 10:43 PM appended by Po Boy
Which raises an interesting question - How can we thank Obama for an 18 Year consumer confidence high 18 months after he's out of office, when there was an "anxiety-ridden middle class" in the midst of his second term and the problem he failed to fix, remains?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 28, 18 10:43 PM
Nah. That's just American capitalism's failure to keep costs down via competition. Or in actuality, the lack thereof...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 28, 18 10:50 PM
Not quite JuneZ, it's the fact that the neo Marxist Ombama is out and an America first unabashed capitalist is in office, that's what's inspiring consumer confidence!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 30, 18 3:21 PM
some people are in some serious denial around here

Go to hell, CNN. You lying communist s* bags.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Aug 28, 18 11:02 PM
This from someone who lives in the equivalent of an economic test tube.

There are 47 other states and the rest of New York that your lack of a macroeconomic view fail to grasp.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 28, 18 11:07 PM
Mark Levin was asking tonight why CNN is still on the air with ridiculously low ratings. It’s an excellent point that’s just baffling. I’d like to see an investigative report on all the financial and other associations it has. Whose funding this propaganda machine anyway? Google ? Are there CIA ties?
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 29, 18 11:38 AM
Joe, really? CIA funding cnn? Hmmmm, no that’s not crazy.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 29, 18 11:47 AM
Sounds like Joe's brain is now owned by Alex Jones.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 29, 18 12:01 PM
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After making CA and NY the highest taxes states with the least personal freedom and lowest quality of living - dem fascists asking for permission to do the same to the remaining 57 states
Aug 29, 18 7:01 AM appended by SlimeAlive
Obama is the person famous for explaining there are 57 states. Not any member of the slimey family
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 29, 18 7:01 AM
Good retort slimey, blame Obama.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 30, 18 4:36 PM
Slimey, 57 states?50-2 is 57? Bad day for slimey.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 29, 18 7:18 AM
GREAT AGAIN: Workers Report Highest Job Satisfaction Since '05...

Second estimate of Q2 GDP: 4.2%...

BOOM: Affluent Buyers Splurge...

By Lauren Weber
Aug. 29, 2018 8:00 a.m. ET
The Wall Street Journal
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 29, 18 11:35 AM
BOOM: Middle class families still can't pay their bills living paycheck to paycheck

Just one emergency away from fiscal disaster...


Squeezed
Why Our Families Can't Afford America

by Alissa Quart
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 29, 18 9:23 PM
Kamala Harris is the pre-ordained 2020 democrat nominee for President. She has been bought and sold 20x over in the Hamptons last summer and this summer. There is no way she can beat Trump especially as long as we have Operation Ocasio in full effect. Keep propping up radical socialist democrats to take on those who pledge to carry on an American First agenda.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Aug 29, 18 1:23 PM
Donald Trump Attacks ‘Sloppy’ and ‘Degenerate Fool’ Carl Bernstein for Bogus CNN Story

CNN’S DON LEMON DEFENDS VIOLENT ANTIFA: ‘NO ORGANIZATION IS PERFECT’

Kanye West Says Trump Wants to Be the ‘Greatest President’ for Black Americans
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 29, 18 9:54 PM
The Trump administration seems poised to help bring real and lasting peace to the Middle East by recognizing the long-ignored reality that the Palestinian “refugee” issue is a giant fraud perpetuated by the Palestinians together with the United Nations.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 30, 18 8:02 AM
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He can't look at a problem with his head cocked to the side and apply anti-American logic to it. Make no mistake. This BS would have continued under every single other Republican who might have been elected President had Trump not run, and certainly under Hillary or Bernie.

Im sure HHS will have a differant view .
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 30, 18 8:04 AM
He is a beacon of light in a dark world. He tells the truth when everyone else is lying.
Just look at this crazy witch hunt by a corrupt and criminal DOJ and FBI, aided and abetted by the corrupt, lying Fake News media.
It's as plain as the nose on their faces. The people know whats going on everyone I talk to gets what Goolge and Fakebook are trying to do ..... Big Red Wave Coming in November the people are pissed
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 30, 18 8:07 AM
You and I both know Trump will not accomplish anything meaningful during his time in office, much less peace in the Middle East. Why you still cling to this delusion would be fascinating were it not downright depressing.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 30, 18 2:43 PM
Johnj, let them have their fun. It’s gonna crush them when their hero goes down in flames.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 30, 18 2:57 PM
Chim chim and 27dan, should I hold my hand over my heart when reading your posts?i guess trump and his son in law will both get Nobel peace prizes.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 30, 18 8:16 AM
TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME IS ON FULL DISPLAY HERE, sad but true.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 30, 18 3:22 PM
Bigfresh, do you read any of the nonsense your fellow right wing commenters write? Of course you do, and you believe it, and we are deranged?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 30, 18 4:18 PM
Project much Fred? Your inability to post here without some disparaging comment about President Trump or anyone not subscribing to your alt left version of reality leaves you with little room to cast stones.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 30, 18 4:31 PM
Bigfresh, no such thing as “alt left” . There is only alt right, founded by your party.as soon as the “president “ does something that’s worthy of praise, I’ll post it.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 30, 18 4:38 PM
one supreme court judged in, another nominated and the odds are another one coming up! That will be the most lasting part of President Trump's legacy, let that set in for a few minutes Fred! You're quite touchy about the existence of the alt left and with good reason, enemies of our great nation.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 30, 18 5:14 PM
Bigfresh, you have the majority of everything. Even trump got someone in. I can live with it, at this point, I have no choice.about the “alt left” it doesn’t exist, keep trying tho. Next thing you will tell me trump took a sip of water, I’ll have to say how great that is.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 30, 18 5:36 PM
Like it or not Fred, the alt-left term is alive and well and used to describe violent radical Leftist groups such as Antifa, BLM, Occupy....who am I missing? Bf is quite correct, you're touchy about the term and given your defense of Antifa Fred, very telling.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 30, 18 9:39 PM
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Po Boy , not touchy. Could care less . The right made up the term, run with it. It done work for me.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 30, 18 9:44 PM
So what if it did? The term doesn't cease to exist because it hurts your feelings.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 30, 18 9:55 PM
Po Boy, again,I could care less about your made up nonsense .
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 31, 18 6:11 AM
Approximately 1.000 new terms are added to the dictionary each year.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 31, 18 8:00 PM
@ They call me & 27dan

The Arab/Israeli conflict is a bewilderingly complex phenomenon. If you believe that The (One-Dimensional) Donald has conceived of a solution to it, you also believe that The Sorcerer's Apprentice (starring Mickey Mouse) is real. All Trump's recent activity has demonstrated is that Bibi's hand is so far up his skirt that it is interfering with his swallowing. (It's fighting for space with Putin's mano.)
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 30, 18 4:11 PM
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Bewilderingly complex phenomenon......Hahahahahah oooh boy that's a good one !

Who was up Obamas skirt....?? Each and every Jew and Israel hating Muslim on the planet.....

When Muslims accept Israel's RIGHT to exist there will be peace in the region..
Really not that "bewilderingly complex".....



First two state solution 5/14/1948
By Biba (566), East Hampton on Aug 31, 18 7:19 AM
@ Biba

Quote:

"Really not that "bewilderingly complex"...."
----------------------------

Only to fanatical Israeli apologists. The rest of the word does see a few complexities, to wit:

1) The illegitimacy of the state of Israel ab initio. (You know, that problem with the resident population of Palestine never getting to vote on its self-government.)

2) The expulsion of resident Arabs from the homes they occupied for untold generations.

3) ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 31, 18 8:27 AM
DOJ's Bruce Ohr kept Mueller deputy 'in the loop' about anti-Trump dossier, sources say. By Catherine Herridge| Fox News

The politicization of the DoJ, FBI and Special Investigation continues to bubble to the top.

"Embattled Justice Department official Bruce Ohr had contact in 2016 with then-colleague Andrew Weissmann, who is now a top Robert Mueller deputy, as well as other senior FBI officials about the controversial anti-Trump dossier and the individuals behind it, two sources ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 30, 18 11:37 PM
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"DOJ talks to FBI, more at 11!"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 31, 18 12:12 AM
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Shocking
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 31, 18 5:21 AM
Of interest is the discussion with Steele ensued while the FBI had ceased all communication with Steele due to his leaks...and that information was withheld during the FISA warrant presentation.

The politicization was rampant.

Aug 31, 18 2:48 PM appended by Po Boy
"The sources said Ohr's outreach about the dossier – as well as its author, ex-British spy Christopher Steele; the opposition research firm behind it, Glenn Simpson’s Fusion GPS; and his wife Nellie Ohr's work for Fusion – occurred before and after the FBI fired Steele as a source over his media contacts. Ohr's network of contacts on the dossier included: former FBI agent Peter Strzok; former FBI lawyer Lisa Page; former deputy director Andrew McCabe; Weissmann and at least one other DOJ official; and a current FBI agent who worked with Strzok on the Russia case.""
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 31, 18 2:48 PM
Po Boy, where’s the story from?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 31, 18 3:01 PM
Let me guess Fred, you're not pleased with where it came from. Tisk tisk. Wow, does that get old. This at 11!! It doesn't matter a hill of beans where it's from. What matters is the veracity of the information.

This is where you people get conveniently side tracked and run off the rails.
Aug 31, 18 4:07 PM appended by Po Boy
But IF Fred, you are sincere in your question but I seriously doubt it, it is from the aforementioned source.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 31, 18 4:07 PM
Po Boy, how can I agree or disagree? Just post where it’s from.it doesn’t matter where it’s from, it’s the veracity. That’s the statement. Put where it’s from, we will judge the veracity. You backed up your last argument based on a story from Project Veritas.they have zero credibility. Post where it’s from. It’s not if I’m “pleased “ it’s the validity of your sources, your batting about .180 on them. The Mendoza line is calling ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 31, 18 4:20 PM
Fred, why do I need to repost a source that I already posted a mere three posts above where you poo poo'd it?


By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 31, 18 7:44 PM
Rewriting genesis:

Scientists Find Remnants Of A Universe That Existed Before This One
Aug 31, 18 12:04 AM appended by Mr. Z
This paper presents powerful observational evidence of anomalous individual points in the very early universe that appear to be sources of vast amounts of energy, revealed as specific signals found in the CMB sky. Though seemingly problematic for cosmic inflation, the existence of such anomalous points is an implication of conformal cyclic cosmology (CCC), as what could be the Hawking points of the theory, these being the effects of the final Hawking evaporation of supermassive black holes in the aeon prior to ours. Although of extremely low temperature at emission, in CCC this radiation is enormously concentrated by the conformal compression of the entire future of the black hole, resulting in a single point at the crossover into our current aeon, with the emission of vast numbers of particles, whose effects we appear to be seeing as the observed anomalous points. Remarkably, the B-mode location found by BICEP 2 is at one of these anomalous points.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 31, 18 12:04 AM
Intresting
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 31, 18 8:32 AM
Cover Up Worse Than Crime? CNN Tries — and Fails — to Explain Fake News…

CNN’s media reporting team addressed in its Tuesday newsletter the ongoing scandal over the network’s misleading reporting on Michael Cohen and the 2016 Trump Tower meeting–but left out key details.
The newsletter reads:

CNN’s critics continued to lampoon the network on Tuesday over its July story about the infamous 2016 Trump Tower meeting. The story, written ...more
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Aug 31, 18 8:36 AM
Fake News. Ban them from White House until they admit it and apologize then put them on probation.
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Aug 31, 18 8:37 AM
You literally just copied and pasted from a Breitbart article. The only one here spreading fake news is you Bummy.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 31, 18 10:50 AM
So what if it's from Breitbart? Which part if false?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 31, 18 4:11 PM
Overall, we rate Breitbart Questionable based on extreme right wing bias and publication of numerous false claims. (M. Huitsing 7/14/2018)
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Aug 31, 18 4:25 PM
really Fred, YOU dare speak about bias? that's rich!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 31, 18 5:02 PM
You cant make up the bubble of denial some live in Its hilarious
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Aug 31, 18 5:25 PM
LOL Fred. Congratulations! You single handedly shut down debate - a Liberal Dream due to their bankrupt ideas and position! You just proved my point. While you and the cabal want so badly to dismiss sources based on where they are from, what's important is the veracity of the information in the articles.

Aug 31, 18 7:53 PM appended by Po Boy
CNN - These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. See all Left Bias sources.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 31, 18 7:53 PM
Po Boy

Of course, if you one reads Media Bias/Fact Check one notes that while CNN is rated as Left Center/Left in bias, Breitbart by comparison is pegged out at the end of the EXTREME Right bias graphic. There is literally no more space on the line for it to go. No matter how many more crazy conspiratorialist fantasies Breitbart publishes from here on, its bias can't BECOME any more abysmal.

The fact is, Po Boy, whenever you try to authenticate one of your fantastical cabalist ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 31, 18 9:10 PM
The fact is hat, try as you may to personalize the discussion and inherently lazy discrediting of the information based solely on source, you've been non-existent on substance to refute the particulars.

Classic Olinsky.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Aug 31, 18 11:17 PM
Don't you do exactly the same with CNN?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 1, 18 12:55 AM
Bigfresh, it wasn’t my opinion.po boy said”so what if it’s from Breitbart “ . I posted an article saying Breitbart is an unreliable news source. If you like reading fake news, it’s for you.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 6:59 AM
Joe, you post fake stories yourself. Bubble boy.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 7:00 AM
Po Boy, you back up your arguments with basically no facts . Project Veritas, Breitbart to name two. Both discredited fake news sources. But keep living the dream.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 7:04 AM
I know it won’t come as a shock to any of you that Breitbart News plays dirty. Still, this is a pretty amazing admission by its editor in chief, Alex Marlow, regarding its coverage of the Roy Moore race:

Marlow said one of the factors in Breitbart’s coverage of the allegations against Moore is that, he believes, the news media was trying to use them to set a bar on sexual misconduct “that President Trump cannot match.”

“I think they want to create ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 7:57 AM
@ Po Boy

Quote

"Classic Olinsky".
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I believe you meant [A]linsky, Po Boy. However, your reference to the dreaded Saul is an opportunity to demonstrate that your pronouncements have existence in reality and not just in your biased imagination. Tell us what you meant by this cryptic remark and then substantiate it with references to Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" ( - - - or not.)

As for "refuting the particulars" ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Sep 1, 18 9:49 AM
"fairyland of accusations of duplicity on the part of CNN."

Allow me to further translate for you hat, the CNN source walks back his statements, other outlets retract their stories, and CNN sticks by the story, as if we didn't already know of the journalistic malfeasance and corruption on the part the likes of CNN. Truth be told, it was CNN who was in "fairyland" and when other news outlets report the obvious which further include Cohen's potential for new charges of perjury.

Meanwhile, ...more
Sep 1, 18 12:32 PM appended by Po Boy
Rule 5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon."
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 1, 18 12:32 PM
@ Po Boy

To reiterate, the only FACTS in this story are that ONE of the sources on whom CNN MAY have relied for the story (of Trump's foreknowledge of the Trump Tower meeting) now has said that he "is not sure" of his claim.

CNN has stated that that has ADDITIONAL sources.

There is NOTHING for CNN to "walk back". It stands by its story because its other sources remain firm.

The fanciful allegations of Fox and Breitbart are naught but further examples ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Sep 1, 18 3:45 PM
"It stands by its story because its other sources remain firm."

The existence of other sources is pure nonsense and patently absurd. Now, CNN is conveniently choosing not to reveal the "other sources(s)." So we know for a fact the dishonorable Lanny Davis made it up, and we know for a fact how Cohen testified before Congress. Seems to me, that's leaves CNN fresh out of possibilities for any source to definitively contradict those legitimately in the know.Gotta love those anonymous sources. ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 1, 18 5:14 PM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

"The existence of other sources is pure nonsense and patently absurd ..."
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BELIEF - - - naked, unsbubstantiatable opinion without a scintilla of evidence behind it. The ignorant core of the Right-Wing faith.
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Quote:

" [We] know for a fact that the dishonorable Lanny Davis made it up, ..."
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No, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Sep 2, 18 9:37 AM
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Yes, we do.

The dishonorable Lanny Davis:

1) repeated the same misinformation on multiple occasions;
2) retracted the misinformation

To use his own words, "I never should have done it unless I was certain and could prove it."

Switching on my ACME Radical Leftist translator: He made it up.

Sep 2, 18 2:10 PM appended by Po Boy
You gotta love being lectured to about "prejudiced BELIEF that your profoundly ideologically skewed perspective" by a Left-wing extremist.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 2, 18 2:10 PM
It's ironic that you're chiding CNN for failing to verify their story while simultaneously ignoring the fact that they did so with multiple sources.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 2, 18 2:19 PM
You mean, the sources they won't reveal and the ones where no plausible relationship to the information would exist and which would contradict Cohen's own testimony?

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 2, 18 3:00 PM
Yes, the very sources journalists are bound to protect.

"No plausible relationship"? You can't know what you don't know, Po.

It's true that any contradictory statements will have to be dealt with head-on, as attorneys love to ask the question "were you lying then, or are you lying now?"

If at some point we come to find out the story was accurate all along, I look forward to watching you eat crow.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 2, 18 3:31 PM
Fore, he will pull out his,”it depends what the meaning of the word is is” defense.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 2, 18 3:55 PM
Why would I eat crow? Making reasonable conclusions based on the known information is hardly cause for eating ones words. The Stooges should be enjoying the appetizer though, but no, they keep ordering off the menu.

If attorneys have to ask "were you lying then, or are you lying now?" then we already have a problem and they better have plan B, not to mention, proving there was even a crime.



By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 3, 18 7:46 AM
I'd say making assumptions about the non-existence of other sources is grounds for having cake on your face in the event they turn out to be real, after all isn't that why you're criticizing CNN? For failing to do due diligence? While ignoring that they DID due diligence with multiple sources?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 3, 18 8:15 AM
I wouldn't say. I'm simply weighing all the evidence against the word of a media source that has much to lose in context of their continued slide of credibility, corrruption and lack of integrity and desperation to remain relevant.

It's called, making a reasonable conclusion.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 3, 18 11:43 PM
You might think it's reasonable, but in reality you're simply choosing to assume those sources don't exist. If we eventually learn the story was well-founded I look forward to your backtracking, as we both know admissions of being wrong are not your strength.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 4, 18 12:00 AM
....And as we both know, by "wrong", you mean a position you disagree with.

I'm not choosing to choose they don't exist, I'm simply acknowledging the absence of any proof they do exist rather than blanketly accept the contrary. Conversely, it is you who is choosing to assume they exist, absent of any proof they do. IF the story turns out to be unfounded, I look forward to your backtracking.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 9:35 AM
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In the event CNN or one of it's employees is indeed making up sources I will happily admit I was wrong to believe them. Until then, I will continue to put faith in journalistic integrity.

By the way, your source later admitting he lied is not equivalent to lying about having sources at all.
Sep 5, 18 9:42 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
In regard to being wrong, remember the time you insisted that Mr. Bamberger didn't apologize despite a contrite letter he wrote?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 9:42 AM
"I will continue to put faith in journalistic integrity."

LMAO...more like... "I will continue to put faith in journalistic integrity [I agree with].

Sep 5, 18 8:28 PM appended by Po Boy
I'll equally admit I'm wrong in like kind based on the evidence as it comes available but also defend when I'm not in context of what is posted here and what is reported, just like in the Bamberger case.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 8:28 PM
I think the only person whose journalistic integrity I've attacked is Alex Jones's, and that's because he rejected the title of journalist himself in favor of entertainer.

So you continue to insist Mr. Bamberger didn't apologize for his actions? Then I will continue to call you stubbornly disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 8:51 PM
Bamberger? Oh yeah, he's that guy you said "what he did was wrong" and that he "assaulted" someone... That still makes you a liar.

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 9:02 PM
Actually, my point was HE thought what he did was wrong, evidenced in his contrite apology letter...because he did.

Are you still insisting he never apologized?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 9:32 PM
I'm saying he never said he was sorry. You've stated all along, his expression of regret was equivalent to sorry.

He never said he was sorry.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 26, 18 10:58 AM
LOL, so you're saying he apologized but he wasn't sorry?

Or are you just saying that he never used the word "sorry"?

In either case, I'll leave you to split hairs to your heart's content.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 26, 18 11:04 AM
Then-Rep. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., said President Bill Clinton's lies under oath about his sexual relationship with a White House intern might have been illegal, but declared the scandal "a tawdry but not impeachable affair" -- right before heading off to a fundraiser with Clinton. At the time, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., declared that the Starr investigation "vindicates President Clinton in the conduct of his public life because we're only left with this personal stuff" and that Founding Fathers ...more
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Aug 31, 18 8:41 AM
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Lyndon B. Johnson, Democrat, his approval rating was the same as Clinton’s, so were his affairs:

“By many accounts Lyndon Johnson was not a nice man. He is described by many people as bullying and domineering, and his style of interpersonal relations that he used to intimidate people was called "the Johnson treatment" or simply "the treatment". Johnson could be very personable style, especially when it came to dealing with women. In 1982, a woman named Madeleine Brown held a ...more
By Dawn_O (45), Southampton on Aug 31, 18 4:13 PM
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Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
CNN is being torn apart from within based on their being caught in a major lie and refusing to admit the mistake. Sloppy @carlbernstein, a man who lives in the past and thinks like a degenerate fool, making up story after story, is being laughed at all over the country! Fake News
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 31, 18 9:15 PM
President Trump has made 4,229 false or misleading claims in 558 days
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 1, 18 2:50 AM
Media Hype: Mueller Probe ‘Bombshell’ Major Dud
Special counsel Robert Mueller (L) arrives at the U.S. Capitol for closed meeting with members of the Senate Judiciary Committee
According to various mainstream media figures this week, Special Counsel Robert Mueller was all but certain to drop a bombshell Friday that would shake Washington, D.C., to its core. It didn’t happen.The entire Mueller investigation is a major dud. Nothing but partisan trash, and blatant corruption.
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Sep 1, 18 9:03 AM
An overwhelming 71 percent of Republicans Polled said said they would not find it credible. A majority think Mueller Investigation should be shut down. Wreckless use of the Special Counsel designation. This is an obvious slanted political hit job. Not much of an investigation at this point. This is where Sessions should reinsert himself and end it due to the foolishness and tangent this is going off on.

Sadly I have given up on him and now await the midterms, after which he will be sacked.

The ...more
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Sep 1, 18 9:06 AM
Bum, 71% of republicans, what’s that translate to voting public? Something like 39-40%? Those are weak numbers.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 9:15 AM
Bum, 8 convictions , 26 individuals and 3 corporations indicted.the dud and sham investigation is batting about .850. I’m sure he will re-try Manafort on the counts the jury or jurist couldn’t convict him on. Good try bum, keep pumping out the fake news to your shriveling base.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 9:29 AM
classic alt left tactic Fred, discredit the source and ignore the facts.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 1, 18 10:23 AM
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Bigfresh, this isn’t left or right tactic. It’s called fact checking. Something you and your fellow posters are allergic too.you post outlandish unverifiable claims, then are miffed when they are proven false. Here’s a hint, stop being lazy and verify your facts first, otherwise just say it’s your opinion.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 11:18 AM
Fed, you've yet to prove anything as "false." You just disagree with it in the face of verified proof and then dismiss it as unverified.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 1, 18 12:38 PM
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Po Boy, your ridiculous
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 12:58 PM
I'm gonna need a verified and acceptable citation to place any credibility to that outlandish and unverified claim.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 1, 18 1:06 PM
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Po Boy, read your posts, it should convince anyone with any sense how ridiculous you are.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 1:18 PM
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Always a double standard, the left seeming to forget the 1996 United States campaign finance controversy involving efforts by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself. In July 1998, the Justice Department's campaign finance task force head, Charles La Bella, sent a report to Janet Reno also recommending she seek an independent counsel to investigate ...more
By Dawn_O (45), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 2:15 PM
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ALWAYS Dawn!

Oh Fred, we used to be so close...

I said not you particularly. You debate fine.
By Fred s (779), Southampton on Jul 5, 18 9:33 PM
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Po Boy

Sep 1, 18 3:56 PM appended by Po Boy
If it weren't for double standards, the Left would have no standards at all!!!
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 1, 18 3:56 PM
Po Boy, I said something nice about ya, go shoot off a few fireworks.theres no double standard, if I post something that’s patently false, I should be called on it. Don’t back up your bs with more bs, simple as that. As of late, your having a hard time with bs.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 4:04 PM
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As of late Fred, you're getting called on the patently false.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 1, 18 5:04 PM
As of late Fred, you're getting called on the patently false.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 1, 18 5:04 PM
Po Boy , right. What claims?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 5:20 PM
How about this one for starters? Calling you out on calling you out!!

btw, the reference to double standard had nothing to do with the pointing out the fallacy of your "how ridiculous you [I] are.[am]" statement. But yes, the double standard litters the Lefts positions.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 1, 18 5:47 PM
Po Boy, you being ridiculous isn’t a fallacy. It’s true, I heard a guy on tv say it.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 6:18 PM
Case in point, Fred, thanks!

After expressing an emotionally based comment about MS-13 not using family units to illegally cross the border, going on to dismiss the professional experience of an expert in his field who lives the profession day-in and day-out and provides real life experiences during an interview, and you poo poo it.

You bet you're gonna get called out on the patently false!

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 1, 18 7:07 PM
Po Boy, the guy I seen on tv was crying, was sad. He was convinced you are ridiculous.tv does tug at the heart strings.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 1, 18 7:20 PM
Fred, what are you even talking about?

As you well know, I'm talking about an interview of Border Patrol Agents and their experience on the southern border.

You're losing it my friend. Who' ridiculous and speaking of fallacy?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 1, 18 10:31 PM
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Po Boy, my statement is just as valid as yours. Both seen on tv, both translated in our own words. Both ridiculous. You consider your point more valid then mine, because why?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 2, 18 6:28 AM
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Oh Fred.... LOL....

The search continues for a supposed point and coherent thought, and my curiosity is peaked.... who is this supposed to portray?

"the guy I seen on tv was crying, was sad. He was convinced you are ridiculous."

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 2, 18 2:01 PM
Po Boy, my point is no less lame then yours. I seen it on tv , is you validating your point. “Lol”.That’s you thinking my point is lame. It’s the exact same as yours. You dig tiny holes with your shovel. But, over time, you bury yourself.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 2, 18 2:14 PM
Way to avoid the question my good fellow.

What exactly did you see on tv Fred?

I get it Fred, it's your own little personal version of Fake News! I expect nothing less!!

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 2, 18 2:28 PM
To HHS
As usual you're......

1. W


2. R


3. O


4. N


5.G



By Biba (566), East Hampton on Sep 1, 18 7:05 AM
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@ Biba (& Po Boy & Dawn-O)

We stand blinded by the brilliance of Right-Wing rebuttal.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Sep 2, 18 9:39 AM
Trump Hits Canada Over Trade Talks

U.S. Shouldn’t Have to ‘Buy’ Allies with ‘Bad’ Deals

Trump took aim at unfair trade practices in a series of tweets after the U.S. and Canada failed to reach Friday’s deadline to replace NAFTA.

MAGA
Sep 2, 18 11:02 AM appended by 27dan
Our Canadian friends will suffer greatly due to this child Trudeau. All tariff taxes dropped is the ideal deal. Canada is very competitive. They make great products. A competitive country under terrible leadership like we were under Obama. Friendship is as much about common ground as it is about Trust. That is all Trump is about: Do right by America and we will do right by you.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 2, 18 11:02 AM
Media Hype: Mueller Probe ‘Bombshell’ Turns Out To Be Major Dud ... The entire Mueller investigation is a major dud. Nothing but partisan trash, and blatant corruption. Time to move on and admit the obvious

Labor Day Sees Americans Grilling More Steaks on Strong Economy...

83% execs say business better, 76% see more growth...
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 2, 18 11:10 AM
Reckless use of the Special Counsel designation. This is an obvious slanted political hit job. Not much of an investigation at this point. I believed Sessions is being blackmailed for something in his past and being prevented from doing his job.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Sep 2, 18 11:14 AM
8 convictions,26 individuals and 3 corporations indicted.mueller has a pretty good batting avg.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 2, 18 11:25 AM
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And how many convictions did the Republican-led Benghazi investigation result in?

It's true that Sessions recused himself because of something in his past...his relationship to the campaign under investigation which caused a conflict of interest.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 2, 18 11:38 AM
Hey HHS you're just pissed because it was clever AF....hehehe

Bottom line ....you perpetuate lies about Israel because you're anti Semitic.

And the solution to the conflict in the ME IS as simple as Biba stated.


When the 22 Muslim states that surround the very LEGAL state of Israel accept Israel's right to exist is when peace will be achieved....
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Sep 2, 18 1:01 PM
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@ Sturgis (& Po Boy)

Quote:

"Hey HHS you're just pissed because it was clever AF....hehehe"
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"AF"? - - - "Alternative Facts"?

Probably NOT, actually, since your response is utterly free of ANY facts.

You have wisely refrained from trying to follow the customary Israeli apologist S.O.P. of initially posting rationalizations of Israeli theft and homicide (which will be conclusively refuted in the very first response) ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Sep 3, 18 6:27 AM
Hey sturgis, how about that explanation about Obama and him making race relations worst. Been several weeks for you to think about it.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 2, 18 1:26 PM
Do you think it was by accident that 60% polled in a July 19, 2016 Rasmussen poll said race relations got worse after Obama’s election?

It all started with the open-and-shut New Black Panther Party.voter intimidation case which sent the immediate message that only certain races would be protected. It got worse from there with claim after claim that the country was inherently racist and had biased judicial and law enforcement system. It doesn't. People got tired of the race baiting. ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 2, 18 2:22 PM
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Are you for real ??? I told you to Google it.....I don't have to think about it. I know my own opinion . You can do your own research.
Sep 6, 18 2:03 AM appended by Sturgis
FBHG I was not suggesting that anyone should "prove" my point....I'm stating that Fred s can find my opinion / how I feel etc., and answers....on line. Besides there are never any "arguments" with you or Fred s. That's why I'm suggesting google. If you want to know how I feel fine.. But you really don't ..... One can present an argument until one is blue in the face. Not only will you two not accept the answer, you'll ask the same question at lease 25 more times until what ..you get the answer you want ? Who knows ...Therefore I figured I would save time for all of us. If you want to know WHY I feel Obama damaged race relations, I suggested Googling , How Obama damaged race relations......Then you'll get your answer . That's all.... I think being lazy is lame...
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Sep 3, 18 2:03 AM
Sturgis, you said it , not me. I didn’t think he had a negative effect on race. I don’t have to research it. Funny you said it, but give no proof.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 3, 18 5:48 AM
Sturgis, I’m not researching your biased opinion. Just write it down, not avoid and deflect.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 3, 18 6:47 AM
He never did say what his conspiracy theory about Parkland was so I doubt you'll get a clear response here.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 3, 18 9:06 AM
Fore, I can’t research someone else’s distorted view of history.” Do your own research “, That answer is a cop out.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 3, 18 9:41 AM
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"Do your own research to validate my opinion" is certainly a dumb proposition.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 3, 18 9:58 AM
Po Boy , it was an open and shut case. Nothing happened,case dismissed.nerve of those black panthers .They have had the right to vote without being discriminated against for 50+yrs, and they still complain. White people on the other hand had 230 yrs of hassle free voting. Nerve of them black panthers.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 2, 18 2:42 PM
Seems you have your particulars of the case confused (SHOCK!!).

The nerve of those people wanting to vote (sarcasm) - and the Black Panthers blocking intimidating and blocking voting booths (sarcasm off)!

More importantly, how the public viewed the Obama Administration's DoJ dismissing the clear cut case, since we're discussing at your prompting Obama "making race relations worst."



By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 2, 18 2:52 PM
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Po Boy, clear cut case, case dismissed.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 2, 18 3:17 PM
Lanny Davis has told BuzzFeed News that he was an anonymous source for CNN's Trump Tower bombshell, a story he now disputes. He also regrets lying about his involvement, on CNN's own air, in an interview with Anderson Cooper last week Another very fake news scandal has engulfed CNN as the network’s credibility crisis reaches another fever pitch just over a year after three senior network staffers were forced to resign in disgrace over a similar scandal.
This time, though, famed Watergate ...more
Sep 3, 18 4:37 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
CNN: "Where accuracy is never an issue".Accuse others what you do. The DNC way.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Sep 3, 18 4:37 AM
@ Po Boy & Undocumented Democrat

The ideologically driven insanity doesn't stop.

You have taken the FACTS that one man's CLAIMED that he was ONE OF THE sources for a story and his subsequent demurral and finessed them to mean that the story is false and that the news organization that reported it lied.

Your conclusion is emblematic of the tension between reality and doctrinal belief that has annihilated Right-Wing cognition.


By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Sep 3, 18 6:23 AM
"The ideologically driven insanity doesn't stop."

No it does not. We've take the facts and made a reasonable conclusion.

Conversely, you and the cabal make baseless unfounded and ideologue drive claims in the face of all evidence.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 3, 18 7:26 AM
Your "reasonable conclusion" is that journalists are lying about their sources. That's not a reasonable conclusion, that's an unfounded assumption.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 3, 18 8:33 AM
Po boy, you just described you and your fellow posters. The best one so far, I seen it on tv.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 3, 18 8:59 AM
Yes, that's correct Fred. I did see an interview of Border Patrol agents from the Rio Grand Valley Sector that spoke of MS-13 using the cover of family units to enter the country illegally. Unlike your pure lies of what you "seen it on tv," My account is consistent with this:

MS-13 member tries to sneak into U.S. as illegal immigrant child
By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Tuesday, April 24, 2018

and this:

Deported MS-13 Member Uses Deported MS-13 Member Uses ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 3, 18 6:20 PM
Po Boy, very good
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 3, 18 6:39 PM
Po Boy, I hope your not a lawyer and tries this line of reasoning in court. Put it like this judge, trust me , I seen it on tv.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 3, 18 6:45 PM
LOL, no Fred. I'm not a lawyer, but I'll stack interviews of experts in their field up against you ANYTIME. It's most definitely better than your made up LIES and repeated and continued black hole of nothingness.

I will add this thought Fred. You might wonder why my profession often takes me to DC as I've previously communicated. To that I will say to you my friend, are full of it.


By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 3, 18 11:38 PM
Breitbart and the daily caller. Wide ranging?your really beating this dead horse. Your president lies about everything. Where’s the outrage? Who cares about what lanny Davis said.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 3, 18 5:52 AM
"Who cares about what lanny Davis said?"

Well, uh...the Left. It had tingles all over at the proposition of they thought would finally get the President - even though - there was still no proof of a crimes. The after the dishonorable Lanny Davis retracted his statement, the Left is classic and predictable form, does the 180 - "nothing to see here..."other sources.""

Despicable!!

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 3, 18 7:41 AM
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"Proof" is a subjective term: what I think is proof you may disagree with.

What is factual is the that there IS the evidence of at least one person pleading guilty to a criminal conspiracy that POTUS was allegedly complicit in, and two additional cooperating witnesses.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 3, 18 8:31 AM
The Alt. Left has totally lost the argument. That's why their only recourse is mass censorship.

The free market has also proven non-existent here, so the totally bogus "muh private companies" argument needs to stop. It's time to force tech companies to abide by the same standards the Constitution puts on the government. Enough is enough.
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Sep 3, 18 11:32 AM
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Once again they are trying to steal an election right in front of our face !

we need a digital bill of rights ! and fast
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Sep 3, 18 11:34 AM
Can the apt left simultaneously be a fringe group of uneducated socialists and also the educated executives of massive capitalist enterprises?

Companies whose sole purpose and single motivation for every step (including the banning of Alex Jones) is to make more money?

That's the alt-left?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 3, 18 11:43 AM
Jh, time to make tech companies state owned? Is that what your saying? Private and govt. are separate entities.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 3, 18 11:45 AM
This just seems like one of those cases where Jpe/Erin haven't thought through the rational conclusions of their propositions...imagine a restaurant like chikfila being prevented by law from kicking out protesters?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 3, 18 11:58 AM
""Proof" is a subjective term: what I think is proof you may disagree with."

How about a crime...let's start with that. Taking a meeting to allegedly hear information candidate Hillary in and of itself is not a crime. Democrats have mastered an entire investigation in contrast based on they're own collusion with Russia if you want to play that game. It's all opposition research, isn't it? And from what we know, NOTHING became of the meeting. It's the despicable whopper of Democrat fishing ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 3, 18 6:26 PM
Po Boy, opposition research from Russia? Yeah no problem there. Then the fact “nothing “ came from it. If I go rob a bank and fail, I still tried to rob a bank. What’s that word, conspiracy, yeah that’s it.that little shovel of yours is digging furiously. Deeper and deeper.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 3, 18 6:43 PM
Why did Flynn lie to investigators? Why did Manafort hide his income?

You didn't hear about the crimes that Cohen admitted guilt for? The crimes that happened during and were directly tied to the campaign? Crimes which then-candidate Trump was allegedly privy to and an active conspirator in the commission of?

How many convictions did Benghazi result in?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 3, 18 8:55 PM
You two have some serious problem staying on point.

Bank robbery? Benghazi?

We've been through the possibilities and whys of the Cohen plea to include reduction of charges. But when you begin to introduce "allegedly" into the mix..BOYS, please. We're all busy people.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 3, 18 11:24 PM
You know very well why I brought up the Benghazi boondoggle and how it relates to this investigation which has found ACTUAL wrongdoing, including criminal acts directly related to the campaign of Donald Trump and evidence that then-candidate Trump was personally involved in those criminal acts.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 4, 18 12:04 AM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

"How about a crime...let's start with that. Taking a meeting to allegedly hear information candidate Hillary in and of itself is not a crime."
____________________

You are completely wrong again, Po Boy, as you are whenever you post one of your mindless, unsupportable proclamations. A little RESEARCH could have prevented you from face-planting but you have made it plain that that you are repelled by such tedium.

"The Trump Tower meeting clearly ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Sep 4, 18 2:44 AM
You substitute fluff and long winded nothingness for facts and substance. All that aggressive schtick to lazily post a link to the LA Times?

The meetig is over. Trump won.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Sep 4, 18 7:19 AM
Slimey, lazily post? That’s called a citation. It’s a published story that backs up his argument.the only fluff is your reply, backed up with nothing.try backing up your point with something. If it’s just your opinion, say it.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 4, 18 7:24 AM
Nice opinion piece hat. But as you might imagine, opinions vary.

Other experts opinion would argue that there was no “thing of value” to be obtained as information in and of itself received can statutorily be argued to not contain value* – aka...no crime...it was simply in the same vein as opposition research and no different than the Left argues the Democrat funded Steele dossier which was also “information” was simply opposition research.




*The ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 4, 18 8:04 AM
@ Po Boy

MY cited article refers to:

18 U.S. Code § 371 — conspiracy to commit an offense against, or to defraud United States.


YOURS refers to:

52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals


That's TWO entirely DIFFERENT criminal statutes which Don Jr. may be guilty of violating in his meeting with Russian operatives.

Thanks for the help.

By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Sep 4, 18 9:23 AM
If there is no "thing of value" there is nothing to defraud - let alone...where's the conspiracy? - the agreement by two or more people to commit a crime whether or not they end up doing so and more importantly, the evidence of an agreement to commit a specific crime?

In layman's terms hat, what exactly did DT Jr. do in violation of either statute, in particular, how did he interfere or obstruct a lawful governmental functions by deceit, craft or trickery, or at least by means that are ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 4, 18 10:23 AM
Putting aside the legal question of whether opposition research is a "thing of value" (which remains unresolved and reasonable minds may differ on) the conspiracy is evidenced by the e-mail exchange Trump Jr. published himself.

Sure, it's possible that, despite saying he would, he didn't actually tell the other folks in the room anything about who they were meeting with or why, but that story doesn't hold up in my view.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 4, 18 10:38 AM
@ Po Boy

In layman's terms, Po Boy, Don Jr. is suspected to have violated "18 U.S. Code § 371 — conspiracy to commit an offense against, or to defraud United States" by - - - wait for it - - - CONSPIRING to commit a crime. That crime being the offense of illegal manipulation of the 2016 federal election.

Conspiring to "dig up 'dirt'" on Hillary isn't a crime. The crime is in the "intent" behind the effort. Reporters do so in furtherance of their profession. That's ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Sep 5, 18 9:44 AM
Oh, Don Jr. I see. Well hat, that is a nicely worded regurgitation of your earlier point, but, as previously noted, not a foregone conclusion as proving "intent" is a whole different matter, let alone any implication to the President and where my even earlier point was in reference to. I maintain that enough legal experts question calling information a "contribution or donation" and as such, there was no crime and 18 U.S. Code § 371 is but a Leftist pipe dream and even thinner than any allegations ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 10:58 AM
Are there not also well-respected experts who opine that, yes, information is a thing of value?

Are you going with the experts you chose because you agree with their analysis, or because they agree with your conclusion?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 11:13 AM
I'm going with them because it's reasonable to conclude rather than emotionally convict on "face value" and guilty until proven innocent, it is innocent until proven guilt.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 12:29 PM
And I think it's reasonable to conclude that, seeing all the evidence in a light most favorable to the prosecution, there is enough evidence for criminal charges.

That's the analysis used at a pretrial motion to dismiss. Whether the fact-finder will agree at trial certainly remains to be seen.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 12:45 PM
Oh, "you think." That changes everything. In your dreams.

Like Carter Page who had the full weight of the US government on him and yet...NOTHING, there is a reason it hasn't happened. But yet, here we are.

We should all be concerned - but yet Democrats continue to exhibit the desire for power and disdain as their primary motivation. Despicable!

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 8:19 PM
Can you please specify what you think we should all be concerned about?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 9:27 PM
"Like Carter Page who had the full weight of the US government on him and yet...NOTHING, there is a reason it hasn't happened. But yet, here we are."

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 10:02 PM
Ooh, I thought we were seeing eye-to-eye for a moment, but we weren't...in any event, here we are after how many indictments, guilty pleas, and convictions?

How long did the Benghazi investigation, which resulted in none of the above, last?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 10:05 PM
That you don't see it doesn't mean wrong doing doesn't exist. That you're not seeing it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 8:38 PM
But it does mean a long and costly investigation didn't find it, in comparison to Mueller's investigation :)
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 8:56 PM
Wrong doing was found.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 9:06 PM
Wrongdoing that didn't rise to the level of a crime, or receive any form of sanction? OK, now do your own research on how many people have been charged, convicted, or pled guilty in the Mueller investigation.

Go Mueller, go!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 9:16 PM
CNN swept aside journalistic ethics on Sunday by endorsing a blacklisting campaign with a glowing interview of Matt Rivitz, the founder of Sleeping Giants, a failed effort to censor Breitbart News by harassing and intimidating companies whose advertisements may (or may not) have appeared on the website.
The interview took place on Reliable Sources, a Sunday morning show that once focused on analyzing the media, but which in recent years has been turned into the editorial mouthpiece of CNN president ...more
Sep 3, 18 11:23 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Seems the Left: Ideas so good we can't even let you hear the opposition's!
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Sep 3, 18 11:23 AM
During an election cycle it is the public service duty of journalists/media to inform the electorate in an impartial, objective, truthful, accurate, and complete fashion in order to foster democracy. Journalism/media is self regulated and should remain as such, although there is a need for committee oversight of some sorts to insure journalistic ethics and standards are adhered to during a “clearly defined period” during an election cycle. Non adherence to ethics and standards results ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Sep 3, 18 12:55 PM
SDG, who writes the standards?sounds vaguely like censorship.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 3, 18 1:03 PM
Fred, My use of the word oversight not being the best choice of words because it did imply censorship. I’m not suggesting censorship, rather adherence to SPJ’s ethics and standards, the Society of Professional Journalists’ Preamble being:

Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. Ethical journalism strives to ensure the free exchange of information that is accurate, ...more
Sep 3, 18 1:26 PM appended by SDG1776
Something along the lines of the Canadian Broadcasting Standards Council which is a national voluntary self-regulatory organization created by Canada’s private broadcasters.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Sep 3, 18 1:26 PM
There used to be this thing called the "fairness doctrine" but some of the same people asking for the government to regulate speech in the private sector today have bristled in the past when I've recommended its resurrection.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 4, 18 12:06 AM
SDG, interesting piece in The Atlantic. Here’s the last paragraph of the story.
The truth is that most journalists, in newsrooms large and small across the country, are doing their best each day to be fair, honest, and direct. These values are what Americans demand of one another, and it should be what they demand of their media. The challenge for viewers and readers is this: Ask yourself why someone is so determined to convince you not to believe your lying eyes.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 4, 18 5:38 AM
Fore & Fred,

I liked that one Fred.
Below is an interesting concept.

Unlike the Fairness Doctrine which federally regulated broadcast media under the FCC, a non-governmental approach is the Canadian Broadcasting Standards Council which is self-regulated, membership being voluntary, with the vast majority of Canadian broadcasters being members. CBSC serves as the gold standard for insuring ethics & standards in broadcast media/journalism.
CBSB’s model provides ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Sep 4, 18 6:03 AM
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My concern is the American public being caught in the crossfire of a war between Trump and the media which is now being fought offensively by both.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Sep 4, 18 6:26 AM
That's a nice idea that's simply not being sought out; small-government conservatives are seeking state action to regulate industry and mandate private businesses to observe the constitutional rights of its customers. It'd be funny if it wasn't so bizarre, and I'm not even opposed to an internet bill of rights!

The best way for the American public to protect itself against manipulation by both the press and the president alike is to educate themselves.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 4, 18 7:10 AM
From Politico. President Donald Trump on Monday attacked his Justice Department for indicting two Republican congressmen ahead of this fall's midterm elections, admonishing Attorney General Jeff Sessions for potentially robbing the GOP of "two easy wins" in November.

"Two long running, Obama era, investigations of two very popular Republican Congressmen were brought to a well publicized charge, just ahead of the Mid-Terms, by the Jeff Sessions Justice Department," the president wrote on ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 4, 18 5:22 AM
Everything currently happening with regard to Kavanaugh's nomination and eventual confirmation is constitutionally sacrosanct. The left has one objective in this, to obstruct the tenet of democracy within our Constitution by any means necessary, including coercion and violence. Its a complete circus led by the radical leftist senators in the democrat party, who planned this clown show. What a disrespect to our process. Just wait until Trump gets his Third SCOTUS pick .... RBG's replacement.... It ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Sep 4, 18 3:59 PM
Sounds no different to me than denying Gorsuch a hearing at all, and at least you realize that Kavanaugh will be confirmed regardless.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 4, 18 4:07 PM
American manufacturers growing at fastest pace in years, The Institute for Supply Management said its manufacturing index jumped to a 14-year high of 61.3% last month from 58.1% in July. Economists surveyed by MarketWatch had forecast the index to total 57.9%.

The rampaging economy is pushing unemployment to lowest level since 1960s. The sizzling U.S. economy is encouraging Americans to go out to eat more and enjoy themselves. Soon the unemployment rate could fall to levels last seen in ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 4, 18 4:10 PM
WOO whoooooo !


Keep America Great !!!
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Sep 4, 18 4:12 PM
Flashback: Nike Blasted by Bernie Sanders in 1997 for Outsourcing Jobs to Sweatshops in Vietnam

Just Screw It

Boycott NIKE !
By They call me (2826), southampton on Sep 5, 18 1:40 AM
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Chim chim , why the boycott? Not making sneakers with Velcro anymore?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 5:58 AM
What the heck is a non-binary person?
By They call me (2826), southampton on Sep 5, 18 8:30 AM
Non-binary refers to anyone outside the male/female dichotomy.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 8:55 AM
It's someone who wants attention but doesn't have any marketable or interesting skills.
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 9:02 AM
Wasn't Caitlin Jenner an olympic athlete?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 9:43 AM
No, BRUCE Jenner was a phenomenal athlete, Caitlin Jenner is a media whore.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 5, 18 5:02 PM
Ooh, you want a currently-successful trans person?

How about Emmy-nominee Laverne Cox?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 8:08 PM
The party absent of any resemblance of class or decorum is at it again today creating chaos at the Kavanaugh hearing. Yesterday it was Democrat-led chaos along with 70 arrested. Today, repeated shouts.

Despicable!!!


By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 10:03 AM
Po boy, expressing oneself without fear of being prosecuted is despicable?thats what makes our country great.your accusation is despicable, very trump like.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 11:03 AM
Decorum, Fred.

I know as a Leftist that rings hollow to you. Very third world-like.

btw, they ARE being prosecuted, it's what happens after arrest and being dragged out of a hearing, LOL. Uh-oh. reports of paid protesters! SHOCK? None!


By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 9:24 PM
Evidence of paid protesters? Also none!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 9:26 PM
Eerily quiet from the Trumpbots this morning. Waiting for your talking points from Fox News, are we? Or has it finally begun to sink in that your dear leader is a sham?
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Sep 5, 18 10:31 AM
It’s Time for the Press to Stop Complaining—And to Start Fighting Back
SEP 3, 2018
Chuck Todd
Contributing editor at The Atlantic and moderator of Meet the Press

This was tweeted just hours before a man rammed a truck into a Fox News studio...

"THE DAYS OF DON'T ENGAGE ARE OVER" against Fox News, Stelter howled.

Brian Stelter

Verified account

@brianstelter
Follow Follow @brianstelter
More
—@ChuckTodd is ...more
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 11:16 AM
Slimey, Ailes’s greatest gift as a political strategist lay not in making his clients more electable, but in making their opponents unelectable. that’s an excerpt from the article, the beginning of negative press. Maybe read what your posting, you post contrary facts to your point, good work
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 11:35 AM
Slimey, wrong again. His article, which I posted to SDG , when it came out, is about trumps assault on the media.maybe read the article, I’m sure The Atlantic is on your reading list daily. Good post, wrong idea.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 11:30 AM
Trump's assault on the media? He's striking back at those who publish blatantly false reports and biased garbage. Our last president Barak Hussein Obama didn't have the testicular fortitude to do that , he just took it . The article in question is nothing more than alt left propaganda.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 5, 18 11:49 AM
A reminder before anyone calls the most recent book by Bob Woodward "blatantly false and biased garbage": he is a staunch conservative and was a frequent critic of the Obama administration.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 12:01 PM
Fore, I believe he said he recorded all his interviews. If it’s all lies, trumps inner circle are all liars.we know trump is, would explain a lot.how about that saying, “ when you accuse the whole world of lying, generally your the liar”.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 12:09 PM
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Wait, "trumps inner circle are all liars." Doesn't that include Cohen?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 10:51 PM
Bigfresh, thanks for not putting FACTS in caps anymore.as to trump having testicular fortitude, that’s a joke. He’s tweeting daily how the press is the enemy. The article is a journalists response to the assault on the press. Your fellow poster , slimey, in his haste or ignorance, neglected or misinterpreted the article. If you think the press has to write flattering stories about the president, move to Russia, state run media is for you. When I pointed out media bias to you, you mocked ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 12:05 PM
the main stream media is attempting to overthrow our duly elected president by publishing patently false information. There is zero objectivity from CNN , MSNBC , the NY Times and the rest of the alt left cabal. Our former president Barak Hussein Obama was a total wimp , kow towing to the world and leading from behind. President Trump is a fighter, another thing the limp wristed liberals can't handle.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 5, 18 4:59 PM
What a crock... Bob Woodward conservative my butt! He was a registered Democrat but professes to be Independent. As an investigative journalist that's admirable at least for appearance.

His "criticism" of the Obama administration included catching them in confirmed blatant lies. Conversely another showed Bush to be an experienced leader after 9/11. That hardly qualifies him as "conservative" just as having the guts to do interviews with Hannity doesn't or even his admitting that the press ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 12:26 PM
@realDonaldTrump
Only the Obama WH can get away with attacking Bob Woodward.
3:04 PM · Mar 1, 2013
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 12:47 PM
Thanks for the walk down memory lane.

What is that evidence of in the Liberal mind? I already pointed out the focus of that statement and it seems entirely accurate.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 2:10 PM
Stop it Po, Only the Obama WH can get away with attacking Bob Woodward.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 2:14 PM
LOL... thanks for the clarification! NOT!!!
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 3:10 PM
Stop it Po! Only the Obama WH can attack Bob Woodward!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 4:20 PM
What does that even mean circa 2013 as it relates to today?

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 8:25 PM
I think it's evidence that Bob Woodward is not beholden to politicians of either party and generally respected across the aisle.

It's also really funny evidence of how Trump's views of others are dictated by self-interest and convenience.

Like how Cohen, once Trump's most trusted confidante and go-to guy, is now apparently a terrible attorney because he sold Trump out to save his own ass.

Or how Jeff Sessions, thought of highly enough to be appointed AG, is now asleep ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 8:40 PM
It's worth noting that Bob Woodward has been considered by his peers to have exaggerated and embellished his reports.

Also worth noting is Cohen was indicted for activity unrelated to the President, and who recorded conversations without his client's knowledge. That IS a crappy attorney.

And Jeff Session while holding promise, HAS been asleep at the wheel. I mean, you rarely see or hear from the guy so being consider asleep at the wheel isn't an indication of him not bending ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 9:11 PM
That's not true...Cohen's campaign finance violations were directly related to (duh) the CAMPAIGN!

By all accounts Jeff Sessions is doing work, just not doing the work Trump wants him to do...which is cover his ass. Sad!

As for Woodward's peers (who are you referring to, btw?), here's what was said by the Republican former White House Press Secretary for President George W. Bush:

@AriFleischer
I've been on the receiving end of a Bob Woodward book. There were quotes ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 9:18 PM
"That's not true..." No, it's TRUE "Cohen was indicted for activity unrelated to the President." Yes, it's also true of the campaign charge, however, none of which has been proven or flushed out or has any relationship to the President- meaning - Cohen maybe is guilty/maybe not but it should be noted every plea agreement is done with incentive toward the one making the plea. If you are guilty fo sho of some charges and you know you are doing time, it just might make sense given your position to ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 10:44 PM
It's just pretty funny to claim CAMPAIGN finance violations, which occurred DURING the campaign, are not related to the campaign.

Don't pull a muscle bending over backwards so hard.

I guess you didn't find any of Woodward's peers suggesting he's making up this book, huh? Just some folks who have said that about him in the past? Alright then.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 11:59 PM
Let's face it, we're talking either

A) no action
B) charges while in office as Dems desire, or
C) impeachment, as Dems desire

B) can't happen while Trump is in office
C) requires charges while actually holding office - which this doesn't.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 1:48 PM
But Cohen's crimes were, in fact, related to the campaign, correct?
Sep 6, 18 1:57 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Also, I don't necessarily want to see Trump impeached because in the absence of a majority in the Senate he wouldn't be removed from office, and even if he was, Mike Pence is just awful. I'd much rather the GOP reap the political consequences of succumbing to a demagogue.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 1:57 PM
You can read the charges and plea agreement just like I can.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 2:28 PM
Well, at least you've stopped outright denying there's a direct nexus between the crimes committed by Cohen and the presidential campaign of Donald Trump.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 2:31 PM
Did I?

When?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 8:18 PM
Well until you continue to insist, you've stopped insisting...right?

In any event, if you thought I'd let you get away with a tacit admission you're wrong again...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 9:01 PM
What admission? Insist on what?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 9:04 PM
Lol, insisting that there's no relationship between the crimes committed by Cohen and the presidential campaign of Donald Trump, duh.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 9:08 PM
Where did I insist there's no relationship?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 9:12 PM
Ooh, you're now making a distinction between the campaign and the president? Hilarious. Let's see if that works for POTUS.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 9:24 PM
Po boy, guts to interview hannity? Guts?hannity is an entertainer, not a journalist. Just a blow hard for anything trump. Oh yeah, one of Cohens two clients.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 12:31 PM
Technically, Hannity is a talk show host and political commentator. He often interviews those in journalism.

But you're missing the point there Fred with that knee jerk reaction. Hannity's political leanings have nothing to do with any perception that Bob Woodward is conservative, quite the opposite in fact and indication of Woodward being interviewed by him on several occasions.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 2:06 PM
The myth of Bob Woodward as a liberal hero | The Daily Caller, Feb 26, 2013

Maybe "staunch conservative" is overselling it, but as said by the liberal rag above, Bob Woodward is no liberal hero.

Only the Obama WH can get away with attacking Bob Woodward.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 2:13 PM
Daily Caller aka white nationalist review.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 2:17 PM
Who said anywhere here Woodward was a "liberal hero?"

Sounds like liberal guilt to me.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 3:10 PM
I thought it demonstrated some objectivity, but you can see what you like.

Just don't attack Bob Woodward...only the Obama WH is allowed to do that!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 4:24 PM
Huh?

You brought up Bob Woodward.

It's your agenda. Don't drag anyone else into your tortured nightmare.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 8:20 PM
Stop it Po, Bob Woodward is a national treasure!...until he criticizes Trump, that is!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 8:46 PM
And he has hours upon hours of taped interviews...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 5, 18 8:49 PM
Who said anywhere here Woodward was a "liberal hero" or even now a "national treasure?"

I mean, other than you.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 8:53 PM
It sure sounded like Trump thought Bob Woodward should be above reproach, and that liberal rag The Daily Caller rejected the belief that he was a liberal hero.

Now Trump has done a convenient 180 and the faithful followers are regurgitating the "negative news is fake news" line as loud as possible!

It's almost as funny as it is sad
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 9:08 PM
Don't know what to tell you Fore, other than you should have those 2013 demons exercised so they're in harmony with the 2018 demons.

Not to mention, still not sure who said anywhere here Woodward was a "liberal hero" or even now a "national treasure?" I mean, other than you.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 9:17 PM
I extrapolated "national treasure" from Trump thinking he should be above reproach. Keep up, Po.
Sep 5, 18 9:19 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
But for what it's worth, I do think he's a national treasure based on Watergate alone.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 9:19 PM
Extrapolated? Keep up? LOL, I'm not clairvoyant.

"Beyond reproach" is your spin on it Seems the President had a very candid discussion with Woodward and he expressed his thoughts.

Are you saying Bob Woodward is beyond reproach?
Sep 5, 18 10:08 PM appended by Po Boy
"But for what it's worth, I do think he's a national treasure based on Watergate alone". Gee, didn't see that one coming.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 10:08 PM
What discussion? The recording that came out where Trump said nobody asked him whether he'd be willing to get interviewed for the book? I wonder why they kept that tempting offer from POTUS?

I wouldn't say "beyond reproach" but I think that's what Trump suggested in 2013. I wonder why he feels differently now...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 10:14 PM
"What discussion? The recording..." Gotta love a question and answer done so succinctly."

"but I think." What you think doesn't mean squat.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 10:33 PM
Thanks! That you hold such a high opinion of mine really means a lot :)

In any event, most people would read that tweet as praise of Woodward, and the one today as the opposite.

I wonder why the change of heart?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 12:01 AM
Po boy, it was snark. I didn’t miss any point.i didn’t comment about Woodward, just hannity.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 2:11 PM
Follow the bounding ball Fred and stay focused.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 3:09 PM
Po Boy, the bouncing ball is your hero trump being bounced out of office.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 4:54 PM
The President isn't my hero, but he sure is your villain.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 8:39 PM
Whatever Woodward's book says is irrelevant.
As DJT himself has said, he could murder someone in the middle of 5th Ave, it could be on film and on the 6 o'clock news and the Trumpettes would just declare it fake news by the liberals out to get their hero.
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Sep 5, 18 3:17 PM
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Even after Nixon resigned about 35% of America still thought he got a bum rap.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 4:22 PM
The anonymous op-ed in the Times is unreal. Written by a senior member of his staff. Here’s a small blurb.” From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.

Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 4:20 PM
More Trump Derangement Syndrome on display, way to be consistent Freddy.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 5, 18 5:05 PM
The only deranged individuals are the Prevaricator in Chief and his disciples.

President Trump has made 4,229 false or misleading claims in 558 days

Suckers...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 5, 18 7:21 PM
UPDATE:

President Trump has made 4,713 false or misleading claims in 592 days
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 5, 18 8:13 PM
Z, 4,714 in as many days.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 8:36 PM
At the rate the POTUS fibs, it's easy to miss one...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 5, 18 8:47 PM
No worries, we're grading you on a curve given all the out of context and misrepresentations.

So far, we have you at a solid C-. Not bad for a Leftist.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 8:58 PM
First bad move, considering me a leftist. If you think that, work for me for a week. You may well discover how soft I ain't. Believing in honor or fighting for those who can't fight for themselves doesn't make you a "leftist". It makes you a decent human being.


“Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand; it is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy.”

~ Wendell Berry
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 5, 18 9:48 PM
What's further Left than Leftist? I'm all ears.

I sure as hell know you're not right of center which equally doesn't make someone a poor human being or any less compassionate. Problem is, you think it does.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 9:59 PM
"I hate all politics. I don't like either political party. One should not belong to them - one should be an individual, standing in the middle. Anyone that belongs to a party stops thinking. "

~ Ray Bradbury
Sep 6, 18 12:03 AM appended by Mr. Z
I could never be "right wing" BTW. I don't fit the religious qualifications. Ah well...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 6, 18 12:03 AM
Bigfresh, hold that line. Trump is an deranged, unhinged and no moral compass. Go read the op-ed from one of HIS advisors. You will say it’s fake news, same ol same ol, it’s from his administration.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 5:12 PM
CNN “Fake News” or “Real News” ?


CNN sued by St. Mary's doctor over child death rate report
by CBS12 Web team
Tuesday, February 16th 2016

CNN Still Suffering From Legal Fallout Over Tailwind

CNN Apologizes When Wikileaks Threatens Defamation Lawsuit After Commentator Calls Founder A “Pedophile”

CNN, Time Sued For $100M
(JUN 2, 1999 11:40 PM EDT U.S.
BY CBSNEWS.COM STAFF CBSNEWS.COM STAFF / AP)

Vet ...more
By Dawn_O (45), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 7:04 PM
Dawn _O, should I put all The politifacts about Breitbart and the daily Caller? Pages and pages. For fun I’ll put hannity up too.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 7:11 PM
You can add Fox News to the list too. They’re also guilty. Just making a point that it does exist on all fronts.
By Dawn_O (45), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 7:22 PM
LOL, don't feel bad Dawn, Fred questioned a CNN source for me too when I cited it.

A review of the posts will show repeated "whataboutisms," as he likes to call it, absent of a rebuttal with anything close to resembling substance.

It's all they have.


By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 8:14 PM
If I add Fox, I’ll have to take a few days off to compile the whole thing.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 7:24 PM
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The Prevaricator in Chief allegedly cheats at golf too. My, what a shock...


'Commander in Cheat': Rick Reilly's new book details President Donald Trump's golf antics


Commander in Cheat: How Golf Explains Trump will be released in May, Hachette Books announced on Wednesday. The book is based off interviews with and observations from former playing partners and caddies of President Trump over the years.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 5, 18 7:31 PM
The short version is the president is an amoral, honorless, petty, impulsive, half baked, ill informed, impetuous, adversarial, and ineffective leader. Apparently, the only thing that makes him any type of leader is his title. Other than that, well, read the op ed for yourself. Perhaps he'll have another Twitter tantrum/meltdown regarding libel laws due to said op-ed.


I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration

I work for the president but like-minded colleagues ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 5, 18 7:45 PM
LOL, come on Z, anyone who uses any form of the term "resist" has zero leanings or sense of loyaty in line with anything affiliated with Making America Great Again.

Anyone who reposts that garbage either.

Un-named source op-ed....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 8:09 PM
Po boy , I guess the jokes on you.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 5, 18 8:13 PM
"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish."

~ Euripides
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 5, 18 8:16 PM
I bet it's Ivanka
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 8:21 PM
That joke lacks a punch line, and a comedian but clearly, a bunch of clowns
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 8:22 PM
Or Melania, lol
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 8:28 PM
Bravado and bluster are but a gossamer shroud for insecurity.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 5, 18 8:29 PM
Amen!
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 8:35 PM
Here is the modern Democrat Party.

"While campaigning in south Texas, Rep. Robert O’Rourke who is running against incumbent Sen. Ted Cruz for U.S. Senate, declared that illegal entry should not be a criminal matter."*



Texas Democratic Candidates Push To Decriminalize Illegally Crossing The Border. By The Daily Caller News Foundation. August 24, 2018.
Sep 5, 18 9:53 PM appended by Po Boy
Predicted is the source will be criticized while ignoring the FACTS of what a Democrat running for office, actually STATED. In 3-2-1...
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 9:53 PM
Can you please specify what he said? I'd disagree with this characterization of the quote I saw, but maybe you saw something different.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 10:03 PM
LOL,"While campaigning in south Texas, Rep. Robert O’Rourke who is running against incumbent Sen. Ted Cruz for U.S. Senate, declared that illegal entry should not be a criminal matter."
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 5, 18 10:29 PM
That's the headline, not what he's accused of saying that was characterized as "declaring that illegal entry should not be a criminal matter."

Are you purposely avoiding the actual quotation because that's not what it actually says?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 5, 18 11:54 PM
@ Po Boy

We will wait in vain for you to add some substance to your latest "Big, Bad Wolf" headline from a Far-Right propaganda organ. Conscientious readers, however, might like to read a reasoned analysis of the actual consequences of treating undocumented immigration as a crime. * (Hint: It costs buckets more money and doesn't change a thing.)

Sometimes dumb belief is expensive!



* "It’s Time To Decriminalize Immigration, Say Top Texas Dems" by Roque ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Sep 6, 18 5:34 AM
Po boy, the point of the article, if you read it, is that seeking asylum at ports of entry is not a crime. Good try tho. Looks like Beto instead of lying ted.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 6:05 AM
Outsource immigration enforcement to Mexico like Obama did in 2014 under El Programa Frontera Sur. The program was extremely effective, the infrastructure already being in place which was paid for by US tax dollars. In the first year alone, border apprehensions at the US Southern Border dropped a staggering 57%. Pair that up with a bipartisan bill now in review which would mandate e-verify in a very fair way as to not hurt business. All could be done for less than annual maintenance costs of ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 7:49 AM
"the point of the article, if you read it, is that seeking asylum at ports of entry is not a crime." - Well Fred...well hat...

Riddle me this Fred... how do you decriminalize something that isn't illegal?

Answer: If you read really closely, you'll see it's a critique of the entire immigration system - both legal and illegal. Let's take asylum seekers (legal), they do not and should not automatically have a right to roam the countryside while they wait for a hearing - or hat as ...more
Sep 6, 18 8:21 AM appended by Po Boy
So you see, read between the intentionally blurred lines of legal and illegal and you'll find the true intent of the Democrat's position.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 8:21 AM
Yeah, it sounds like you're avoiding the actual quotation because it's inaccurately portrayed by the headline.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 8:30 AM
Po boy, here’s the part I’m talking about .”These asylum seekers — penniless, at wit’s end, after surviving three weeks on the road, very often with their children — then attempt to do what I think any human would do, which is request asylum in between the ports of entry,” O’Rourke said. “We should not criminalize that.”

O’Rourke failed to mention that entering the United States via ports of entry and requesting asylum is ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 8:38 AM
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Two top candidates say Congress should decriminalize unauthorized border crossings entirely, while aspiring U.S. Sen. Beto O’Rourke argues asylum-seekers should be exempted from illegal entry prosecution." - Huffington Post.

"asylum-seekers should be exempted from illegal entry prosecution?" They're not being prosecuted, they're being held until their hearing.

Seems Democrat Beto O'Rourke needs to get his facts straight.
Sep 6, 18 8:39 AM appended by Po Boy
All (three) Democrats need to get a clue.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 8:39 AM
seeking asylum doesn't mean that the illegal in question is released into the USA with a court date at a later time. Detained at the border should work.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 6, 18 7:20 AM
Do we have the military resources to strategically send forces from multiple branches into Central and northern South America? Could we end the reasons those seeking asylum come to our borders? Or would it be more prosperous to behave as Paraguay or Uruguay has?
Sep 6, 18 11:01 PM appended by Mr. Z
A secret mass burial site containing at least 166 skulls has been discovered, Mexican officials announced Thursday. The site is one of the largest mass graves found to date in the country. The bodies — found in the Gulf coast state of Veracruz — had been buried for at least two years, according to a translation of a release from the State of Veracruz's prosecutor's office. The region has been the site of bloody conflict between drug cartels, and the area has suffered from waves of extortion and kidnapping. Officials have found clothes, personal possessions and other skeletal remains at the site, but skulls were used for counting purposes.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 6, 18 11:01 PM
Bigfresh, if your seeking asylum, you are a asylum seeker, there’s nothing illegal about it. Your not an “ illegal “, your an asylum seeker. Your combining two different things to make whatever point it your trying to make.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 7:28 AM
Fred, it is the Democrat's making the statements who are combining two different things - how do you decriminalize something that isn't illegal?

It's an intentional blurring of the lines between "legal" and illegal.
"Two top candidates say Congress should decriminalize unauthorized border crossings entirely, while aspiring U.S. Sen. Beto O’Rourke argues asylum-seekers should be exempted from illegal entry prosecution." - Huffington Post.

"asylum-seekers should be exempted ...more
Sep 6, 18 8:27 AM appended by Po Boy
And I'm going to add Fred, being held until their hearing is the worst case scenario. Each case is different when someone presents themselves for inspection and makes a claim of asylum. Usually, they are released to family after a few days with a notice to appear for their hearing. That's the reality.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 8:27 AM
we need to grant the limited amnesty no voting rights and then build the wall already enough of this crazy talk
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Sep 6, 18 10:56 AM
Po boy, what’s your point then? Beto misspoke? If that’s your point, very good.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 11:06 AM
Erin, how do you view "The Wall" you seek?

Po Boy insists it's not a 2,000 mile concrete and rebar behemoth. Do you agree with his assessment?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 11:36 AM
More importantly is your assessment Fred. You DO claim the current plan to be 2,000 long.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 1:36 PM
Po boy, I could care less how long it is. He implied it was going to cover the whole border, now it’s walked back. That’s no surprise. I’m done talking about this foolish white elephant.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 1:41 PM
No Fred, YOU implied it would cover the whole border, reflecting inaccurate current information.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 1:43 PM
I maintain that, despite continuous shifting (or shrinking) of "The Wall" the original promise was for an ocean-to-ocean concrete and rebar structure.

However, even after finding conservative news sources that agree with that view, I'm open to the possibility that the initial promise was vague enough that what I inferred was not what was promised.

That's why I asked Erin specifically:

1. do you think a hardened concrete and rebar steel, 30-65 foot tall, 2,000 mile wide, ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 1:55 PM
One of candidate Trump's earliest statements on the wall clarified 1,965 miles wasn't needed. He went on to restate this, multiple times.

1. The Republican platform was consist language to build a fence as approved in 2006, but not funded. The GOP threw candidate Trump a bone, a symbolic one at that.

2. No. The plan to incorporate walls, natural barriers and technology is a good plan.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 8:06 PM
Thanks Erin, but the platform was clear: "The border wall must cover the entirety of the southern border."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 9:21 PM
And, the President's clarifications and revision to any early plan or statements there after were equally, if not more clear.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 7, 18 12:07 PM
Thanks Erin. I'm glad I asked you rather than Po, whose opinion I've already gleaned.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 7, 18 12:10 PM
Jobless claims under the study guidance of President Trump fell last week even further to a new post-1969 record of 203,000.
This is the lowest level for initial claims for state unemployment benefits since December 6, 1969 when it was 202,000.

The 4-week moving average, considered a better gauge of the labor market because it smooths out week-to-week volatility, fell to 209,500 from 212,250. This is the lowest level for this average since December 6, 1969 when it was 204,500.

Jobless ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 6, 18 11:01 AM
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the alt leftists here are totally invested in hoping that the economy craters. of course they are surprised by mr. trump's historic success.after all this is why they hate him. he's showing everyone what incompetent frauds the washington establishment has been for decades.
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Sep 6, 18 11:04 AM
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I'm still waiting for the " Pelosi armageddon " and little Paulie Trugman's " Great economic collapse of 2018 " from which we will never recover. ROTFLOL

Trump 2020 ...
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Sep 6, 18 11:10 AM
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I’m waiting for the deranged liar in chief to be bounced out of office.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 11:14 AM
You only have 6 more years to go. You had better go make yourself a cool drink and relax.

Maybe take up a hobby or something, you are going to drive yourself crazy with your daily hating of our President. It's going to consume you and its not healthy
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Sep 6, 18 11:26 AM
Undocumented, 6 more months, fixed it for you. If trumps approval rating is about 39%, that means his base is shrinking. Politically he’s proven to be inept at building his base. He loves the adulation he gets from his “rallies “ , but all they do is alienate decent from his voting bloc.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 11:32 AM
Thursday, September 6

President Trump Job Approval Rasmussen Reports Approve 46

President Trump Job Approval Grinnell/Selzer Approve 43

The Wall Street Jornal
Layoffs Just Reached a Half-Century Low ... Fixed it for you.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Sep 6, 18 11:38 AM
Chim chim, Rasmussen is always an outlier, generally 6-8 percentage points off. Gallup has him at 40% approval rating, so my quote was within the +- . His base is shrinking, not growing.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 12:00 PM
Hoo boy! The walls are closing in on ol' Donny Boy. Do you think he sleeps with one eye open?
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Sep 6, 18 11:19 AM
Oh please Joe Paul Krugman has been wrong just as many times is that Nate Silver guy. It's just bitter grapes all these has been personalities from the past like Woodward and Bernstein, they were just so embarrassed from their predictions that they are striking out in all directions just making stuff up at this point
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Sep 6, 18 11:20 AM
Widow, keep believing trump, he’s leading you down a dead end road.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 11:33 AM
Poll: Nike Favorability Crashes 34% with Kaepernick Ad Campaign

A Thursday morning poll from Morning Consult shows devastating results for Nike’s brand favorability, in the days after making Colin Kaepernick the face of their new ad campaign.

S T A N D !
Sep 6, 18 11:41 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
I WILL BOYCOTT NIKE PERMANENTLY ! I will never buy anything Nike for my children again! Hope it was worth it Nike !
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Sep 6, 18 11:41 AM
Converse is owned by Nike so stay away from them too.
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 11:55 AM
Did any of you ever think about the police brutality the nfl players are protesting? No, of course you didn’t. It’s easier to follow trump off a cliff then face the reality of their protest.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 12:06 PM
You know who's more oppressed than NFL players that make millions AND some have even committed some serious crimes.???
The people that actually MAKE the Nike sneakers .......
Sep 6, 18 5:28 PM appended by Sturgis
Fred s ....dude I already told you where you can find your answers. Why are you so lazy ? Tell me why you care more for millionaire football players than oppressed sweatshop workers ? That info is not on line.....
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 5:28 PM
Hey sturgis, might be a good time to tell about Obama and him ruining race relations. Give it a go.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 5:36 PM
Sturgis, "dude," did you hash out the details on that Parkland conspiracy theory of yours yet?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 9:10 PM
Why did we never hear from them off season?Very easy to kneel while collecting million dollar paychecks - maybe spend some of it on protesting on their own time. Hypocrites all!!!
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Sep 6, 18 12:17 PM
Taz, do you think the problem stops in the off-season?they are collecting their paycheck for doing their job, i Like the way you frame that” collecting “ like they are sitting around , earning their money. Systematic racism never takes a day off, it’s happening 24 hrs a day instead of looking into what the protests are about, you retreat , saying theirs no merit to the accusations. Every statistic points in the opposite direction of your thinking. It would make our country a better ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 12:33 PM
And pray tell Freddy, what “police brutality” are they protesting? What “systemic racism”?! Specifics please, not alt left talking points .
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 6, 18 12:48 PM
Here's one from the Trump administration which found that "Black male offenders received sentences on average 19.1 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders."

DEMOGRAPHIC DIFFERENCES IN SENTENCING, USSC (Published November 14, 2017)
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 12:59 PM
I repeat-why did we not hear from away from the football field? Where were they????
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Sep 6, 18 12:55 PM
That you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. That you're not listening doesn't mean it wasn't said.

A quick Google search will answer your question, let us know if you learned anything.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 1:04 PM
Bigfresh, I’ll post articles. You keep denying and defending.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 12:55 PM
http://policeviolencereport.org/
https://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racismhttps://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/10/25/559015355/how-black-americans-see-discrimination
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/black-americans-discrimination-work-police/
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on Sep 6, 18 1:01 PM
Amazing that The Trumpettes still do not see the brick wall dead ahead!

The White House Trojan Horse sleeper cells are waking up!

Fiddle Fiddle fiddle !!!
By Nero (301), Sag Harbor on Sep 6, 18 1:42 PM
Police have a right to defend themselves and there are laws reflecting court decision and precedent specifically designed to reflect the dangerous reality of the job while offering legal protection to those killed or injured during encounters with the police whereby police are held accountable.

Each case is different. Each case is based on its own merits. Is there a systemic problem? HELL NO!!
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 6, 18 1:42 PM
Coincidentally, even the Trump administration's Sentencing Commission disagrees with you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 6, 18 1:49 PM
That's interesting, because I made no reference to sentencing choosing to focus only on so called "brutality."

Coincidentally, I see you've chosen to focus on sentenc