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Aug 8, 2014 12:02 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Jewish Religious Boundary Goes Up In Westhampton Beach

Aug 14, 2014 4:08 PM

After years of pursuing a religious boundary within Westhampton Beach, an activist group announced last week that it has formally established the district—known as an eruv—within the village limits, sparking further controversy on the already divisive issue.

The establishment of the eruv was trumpeted Friday morning in a “breaking news” press release signed by Hampton Synagogue Founding Rabbi Marc Schneier and Synagogue President Morris Tuchman, and comes less than two months after a federal court ruled that Westhampton Beach could not prevent the establishment of the eruv, a nearly invisible boundary that permits Orthodox Jews to push and carry objects to temple, as well as participate in other activities that would otherwise be forbidden on the Sabbath or holy days, within its borders. The ruling was handed down in response to a lawsuit filed against the village by the East End Eruv Association, the group that has been pushing for the boundary since 2011.

But the battle over the establishment of the eruv is far from over as Brian Sokoloff, the attorney who has been representing the village in various litigation related to the eruv that has arisen since 2011, filed a letter on Monday announcing that he is seeking to have an expedited appeal of the ruling handed down by Judge Kathleen Tomlinson this past June in U.S. District Court in Central Islip.

In his two-page letter, Mr. Sokoloff describes both the village and its residents as “victims,” alleging that the presence of the boundary’s markers, called “lechis,” violates their rights and the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution; the clause forbids the government from establishing or favoring one religion over another.

“It’s important for people to realize that this case is far from over,” Mr. Sokoloff said on Tuesday. “The lower court still has to rule on the Establishment Clause issue, and also there are appellate courts and none, to my knowledge, have ever ruled on these issues we’re raising. We think we’re on firm legal ground with our arguments.”

Meanwhile, another group opposing the eruv, known as the Jewish People for the Betterment of Westhampton Beach, has decried the announcement of the boundary as merely a publicity stunt. The group’s lawyer, Jonathan Sinnreich, an attorney with the Central Islip law firm Sinnreich Kosakoff and Messina LLP, said that because the boundary has not been approved by a governing body, it cannot be officially recognized under Jewish law.

In their joint statement, Rabbi Schneier and Mr. Tuchman noted that the Hampton Synagogue, located on Sunset Avenue in Westhampton Beach, will formally dedicate the boundary at Shabbat services on Saturday, August 16.

“This is a lot of crap, that’s really the case,” Mr. Sinnreich said. “Putting up this partial eruv that doesn’t meet all the necessary requirements is nothing but a PR stunt—period.”

The establishment of an eruv in Westhampton Beach was first pursued in 2008 by the Hampton Synagogue, which would later withdraw its request before the Village Board could vote on the measure. The baton was picked up three years later by the East End Eruv Association, or EEEA, a group of Southampton Town residents and other individuals who have been working since then to establish a boundary in not only Westhampton Beach, but in neighboring Quiogue and Quogue Village as well. Both Southampton Town and Quogue Village have denied requests from the EEEA seeking their permission to install the lechis, and both are now defendants in separate unsettled lawsuits.

In accordance with Jewish law, the borders of the eruv must be delineated by markers known as a lechis, which are, in this case, translucent PVC strips that are five-eights of an inch in diameter and between 10 and 15 feet in length. The primary issue the village has had with the eruv is the EEEA’s desire to post the lechis on utility poles, which are owned by the Long Island Power Authority and Verizon, respectively, but are located on village property.

Despite announcing the establishment of the eruv—which was created two weeks ago—Rabbi Schneier declined to address questions about the eruv when reached by phone on Tuesday morning, deferring all comments to the EEEA. The synagogue denies having any involvement with the establishment of the eruv.

“We have some people with the East End Eruv Association who are handling this,” Rabbi Schneier said. “I think it would be best if you talked to them.”

Robert Sugarman, the lead attorney representing the EEEA, said the lechis were posted on 45 utility poles throughout the village over the past two weeks by an outside rabbi who has been working with the EEEA. Mr. Sugarman said he did not know where exactly the markers were installed.

Hank Sheinkopf, a spokesman for the EEEA, declined to disclose the location of the lechis, citing concerns that they would be intentionally damaged or removed. “To reveal them might result in them being vandalized, and it would not be wise to do so,” Mr. Sheinkopf said.

Judge Tomlinson ruled that because it was not expressly forbidden in the franchise agreement that the village granted to LIPA and Verizon nearly a century ago, and because Westhampton Beach has no sign ordinance on the books that forbids the markers, the village has no means of preventing the utility companies from licensing the use of the poles to the EEEA. However, Mr. Sokoloff contends that there is still pending litigation that will determine whether posting religious symbols on public property constitutes a violation of the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

Mr. Sokoloff argues that LIPA, which now is run by PSEG Long Island, reneged on an agreement not to issue any licenses until all litigation was resolved when, on July 8, it signed off on a license allowing the EEEA to utilize 27 of its utility poles. Neither utility company stands to gain any benefits, financial or otherwise, for permitting the lechis.

Jeff Weir, a spokesman for PSEG Long Island, explained that the utility was simply following the orders of the court. “The magistrate ruled that this could be done and we obliged by that ruling,” he said on Monday.

Mr. Sokoloff, who thus far has received nearly $40,000 from Westhampton Beach for his legal council, said he wrote to Judge Tomlinson seeking a hearing to request an expedited appeal in order to get the issue resolved as soon as possible. He is arguing that the village was caught off-guard by the boundary’s establishment, noting that neither he nor the Village Board was notified of its creation.

He added that he hopes the EEEA will join him in pushing for a speedy resolution. “They should want to get this taken care of on appeal immediately, unless they’re concerned the lower judge did not make the right decisions,” he said. “I don’t know why they would want to wait.”

Mr. Sugarman, whose Manhattan-based firm, Weil, Gotshal and Manges LLP, has been representing the EEEA pro bono for years, said he is investigating the issues raised in Mr. Sokoloff’s letter, which is available online at www.westhamptonbeach.org.

Mr. Sugarman also noted that, in the interim, the eruv should not be viewed as a threat.

“The existence of the eruv does not in any way affect the ability of non-Jews or non-observant Jews to do anything they did before the eruv was up,” he said. “They can do the exact same things.”

Mr. Sokoloff said the village does not oppose the existence of such a boundary, but rather the utilization of public property to establish it.

“The Village of Westhampton Beach is not against all eruvs—we’re not saying you can’t have an eruv in Westhampton Beach,” he said. “If Orthodox Jews want to buy property or acquire property, or if they have property and they want to post lechis on, they are welcome to do that. That’s a different issue than saying we demand that it be put on public property.”

Even if Judge Tomlinson’s ruling is upheld, Mr. Sinnreich maintains that it will have little effect on whether the eruv is allowed to remain, as he believes the First Amendment question is a much bigger issue, one that he expects to be eventually dealt with by the U.S. Circuit Court, if not the U.S. Supreme Court.

Mr. Sinnreich also pointed out that his group is made up not only of liberal Jews, but also members of various other religions as well as atheists, all of whom think that the eruv violates the separation of church and state. He also noted that despite what proponents of the boundary have argued, an eruv is a religious symbol and, therefore, should not be allowed on public property.

“Until that issue is decided, the war isn’t over,” he said. “It hasn’t really begun.”

Westhampton Beach Mayor Maria Moore declined to comment on the issue when reached this week, citing the pending litigation, as did fellow board member Hank Tucker.

“It’s still in litigation,” Mr. Tucker said. “Only part of the situation has been addressed, [and] being that this is a long and sensitive topic, I have nothing to say at this time.”

Representatives of The Hampton Synagogue, the only local house of worship that will benefit from the boundary’s creation, are clearly anticipating that the courts will eventually permit the eruv’s expansion. In their joint statement, Rabbi Schneier and Mr. Tuchman wrote: “We look forward, in the near future, to expanding the Eruv to Quogue and Westhampton.”

Mr. Sheinkopf, meanwhile, declined to say whether the EEEA is still seeking to expand the eruv into the hamlet of Quiogue and Quogue Village.

“That’s not the issue right now,” he said. “I have no comment on that.”

Reporter Alexa Gorman contributed to this article.

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So, if you walk "within" the boundaries you go to heaven, but if you walk "outside" the boundaries you don't? Let me give you a hint...if you're good or if you're bad, you can walk where you want and you will be forgiven; Catholic, Jew, Protestant, Hindu or Muslim. Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. And, my friends, as has been proven for 100s of ...more
By Dodger (161), Southampton Village on Aug 8, 14 2:39 PM
Perfect!
By lazymedic (100), southampton on Aug 8, 14 2:43 PM
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Maybe this should be your hint that all religions simply become mythology when no one believes in them any longer.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Aug 8, 14 4:30 PM
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By John GORMAN (4), Hampton Bays on Aug 9, 14 9:45 AM
Sacred ground has always been part of many Christian religions. Believe it or not the ground is the same in all aspects to non-believers but believers conduct themselves and think differently while on that ground.

This "eruv" idea should be viewed as harmless to outsiders. Seems to be a tempest in a teapot.
By John GORMAN (4), Hampton Bays on Aug 9, 14 9:45 AM
Are you Jewish ?
By Biba (564), East Hampton on Aug 9, 14 10:52 AM
Well since you do not really know the rule at all. It is not that you can not walk outside of the barrier, but Jews hold that carrying outside in public is considered work. So by putting these up it makes this area in to a kind of private area. It does not say oh no you go to hell if you walk outside.

Read up on it, its weird but hey how does it really affect you?
By Christina101 (7), West Hempstead on Aug 14, 14 10:30 AM
When I lived in a large apartment complex in Manhattan and went to sign onto my internet connection, a whole bunch of other connections would pop up on my screen. One go the connections was Eruv. Was that so the internet could be used on the sabbath?
By btdt (449), water mill on Aug 8, 14 3:12 PM
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No the goal is so they can carry outdoors. Jews consider it work, unless it is in a "private" area. This helps them to be able to go to synogauge with children, friends and family.
By Christina101 (7), West Hempstead on Aug 14, 14 10:32 AM
And the chipping away at the wall of separation between church and state continues...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Aug 8, 14 4:28 PM
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The Westhampton Synagogue lacks an essential requirement, at least according to most practitioners:
"Kinyan Kesef Required document to obtain permission/rights to the area contained within the Eruv. This must be obtained from all executive powers (towns, state, etc."
If all the Synagogue has done is tack up some plastic strips in the imaginitive belief that God thereby allows different conduct, well, Mazel Tov, I say. Christians could tack up medallions and thereby earn indulgences by passing ...more
By Bruce A. (5), Southampton on Aug 8, 14 4:37 PM
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Where do I apply for permission to have Ganesha affixed to utility poles in Westhampton Beach? Surely the village will not be so bigoted as to discriminate against Hindus? I invite my brethren in Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Baha'ism, Druidism and Animism (and any other faiths that I have left out) to join with me in posting symbols of our religious beliefs thereto. This may require WIDER utility poles but now that we have abrogated the constitutional prohibition against state establishment ...more
By highhatsize (4180), East Quogue on Aug 8, 14 4:38 PM
May I like this twice?
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Aug 8, 14 4:45 PM
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My compliments. HHS!

A splendid and highly entertaining commentary on the situation, one which will undoubtedly result in fresh starching and ironing of long-stored white sheets, and a doubling of the private security guards at the gates of the temple -- but there's only one little problem: the East End Eruv Association has nothing to do with this matter. (Note that the sole area affected is the Village of Westhampton Beach which the EEEA elected to encircle rather then "invade.")

While ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1823), Northampton on Aug 8, 14 5:03 PM
to Frank Wheeler:

I suppose one could conclude that the Hampton Synagogue and the EEEA are separate organizations whose principals don't speak to each other, and that, therefore, the EEEA's statement on June 18 was innocent of duplicity - or, one might think that they enjoy the close association of a hand and a glove. Which viewpoint do you find most reasonable?

It would be a shame if, as you suggest, my commentary on the deplorable behavior of the rabbi and the EEEA encouraged ...more
By highhatsize (4180), East Quogue on Aug 9, 14 9:36 AM
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Try not to restate my "conclusion" to suite your own purposes.

EEEA and Hampton Synagogue ARE separate organizations in respect to the eruv, albeit ones with identical objectives.

The synagogue and its "Founding Rabbi" have tried to establish an eruv WITHIN Westhampton Beach.

EEEA's intention has been to create an eruv that surrounds Westhampton Beach in order to steer clear of that municipality's government whose members the Rabbi had already alienated.

This ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1823), Northampton on Aug 9, 14 11:05 AM
to Frank Wheeler:

I don't think that differentiating the EEEA from the Hamptons Synagogue is meaningful. The EEEA intentionally misled concerned residents with a mollifying (and meaningless) announcement in order to give the rabbi cover to proceed with his construction of the eruv unimpeded by civil protest. Hence the hand-in-glove metaphor.

It's just another unscrupulous manipulation of WHB residents by the Hamptons Synagogue, its rabbi, and its supporters to add to their ...more
By highhatsize (4180), East Quogue on Aug 9, 14 12:22 PM
I wonder what the reaction would be if Christians put a crucifix on every telephone pole so that Christians could stop and say a prayer.
The truth is that it would never be allowed in America and these Jewish symbols should not be allowed either.
By VeritasEmmaus (1), Oyster Bay on Aug 8, 14 5:01 PM
Can't make this stuff up.
By lazymedic (100), southampton on Aug 8, 14 5:38 PM
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The simple fact here is that there are members of a religion who find their own rules to be inconvenient. So they make up a silly exception that allow them to act as they please without concern that their make believe deity will punish them. I for one am still very careful not to step on cracks out of concern for my mother's back...
By Arnold Timer (326), Sag Harbor on Aug 8, 14 6:14 PM
I don't believe anyone should hate someone's religion, but in a world with a rapidly growing anti semitism you would think these people would be less arrogant.
By chief1 (2783), southampton on Aug 8, 14 6:28 PM
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Take down the Nativity scenes, but put up an eruv. Remove crosses from federal land that have stood for decades, but put up an eruv. Remove plaques from schools that have been there for decades if those plaques have the word God on them, but put up an eruv. Hang a religious symbol for all religions on the same poles as the eruv markers, or take the eruv markers down. We are way beyond double standard.
By Qguy (27), quogue on Aug 8, 14 7:15 PM
Every religion has it's own set of "inconveniences", some more life altering than others. Let's say Father Jim went into Forest Hills and hung crucifixes on utility poles to designate a 5 mile area where Catholics did not have to follow that pesky "no birth control" inconvenience. He would also like to expand that to the surrounding villages. What do you think would happen? Would Forest Hills allow it and if they were forced to allow it, do you think the demographics of this serene community would ...more
By workingmom4 (7), Westhampton on Aug 8, 14 7:33 PM
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As the WHB Synagogue "looks forward to expanding into Quogue" someone might take a look at the LLc that coordinated the purchase of a large parcel of undeveloped land on Quogue Street a few years ago........ Can you say Synaquogue?
By G (339), Southampton on Aug 8, 14 8:40 PM
Jeez, it's going to cost me alot to buy alot of crufuuxs and Buddha s to put on telephone poles! And poor PSEG is going to spend a fortune on wider telephone poles!
By Sallybarr (1), Southampton on Aug 8, 14 9:27 PM
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By Red7 (11), Southampton on Aug 8, 14 11:18 PM
Never going to happen. Five towns very different that hamptons.
By Summer Resident (246), Southampton N.Y. on Aug 9, 14 12:27 AM
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By Red7 (11), Southampton on Sep 5, 14 8:23 PM
I agree with Summer Resident-not the five towns
By westhamptonboy (227), Westhampton on Aug 9, 14 5:40 AM
How is the eruv working today? any problems?
By westhamptonboy (227), Westhampton on Aug 9, 14 8:57 AM
If members if the synagogue got more involved in the community and if they would contribute something to the community, I don't think people would have a huge problem with this. The only times I hear about the synagogue are when it's a complaint about this or that. There was a time I was walking to town with my children and a members of the synagogue rudely pushed there way through me and my children like we didn't exist. Like we were beneath them. Change there attitude toward the community and ...more
By GoldenBoy (350), EastEnd on Aug 9, 14 9:03 AM
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More involved in the community, hey great idea, maybe on the local school board, call over to East Ramapo and see how that worked out......
By New Guy in Town (10), Westhampton on Aug 9, 14 9:35 AM
Initially, I did not see what the big fuss was about establishing an eruv. Live and let live, right? But let's look back on how this started....

WHB Village Zoning was manipulated (bullied by the threat of being called anti-semitic) into allowing the construction of a house of worship on a small building lot without the legally required parking area demanded of all new construction. This concession was made based on the guarantee that, based on strict religious laws, worshippers were banned ...more
By workingmom4 (7), Westhampton on Aug 9, 14 10:25 AM
Additionally, the house built adjacent to the temple for the Rabbi was converted within just a few years, without permits, to become offices and a catering and meeting facility without the addition of parking required by such a commercial use. Why has this been allowed by the Village?
By VOS (1230), WHB on Aug 10, 14 12:42 PM
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By VOS (1230), WHB on Aug 10, 14 12:42 PM
If people truly have faith in their inherited or chosen religion there is generally a belief that the tenets of that religion were somehow dictated by their god. The point is that they follow a creed that is supposedly the word of their god.

I find it very curious and extremely brazen that adherents of religions dare to find work arounds for the parts they don't care for. I mean if their god said it then who are these mere humans to just pick and choose the parts they like? They're ...more
By Arnold Timer (326), Sag Harbor on Aug 9, 14 11:27 AM
It is pure arrogance to basically be a minority, and ignore your neighbors and act as if you are taking over their town.
By chief1 (2783), southampton on Aug 9, 14 4:30 PM
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By lirider (288), Westhampton Beach on Aug 10, 14 7:49 AM
HAHAHA awesome !!!!!! If you don't like it move to an Arab country !!!!!!!!
By Biba (564), East Hampton on Aug 11, 14 6:53 AM
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By lirider (288), Westhampton Beach on Aug 11, 14 10:30 PM
"Do not applaud me. It is not I who speaks to you, but history which speaks through my mouth."

~ Fustel de Coulanges

"History is now strictly organized, powerfully disciplined, but it possesses only a modest educational value and even less conscious social purpose."

~ J. H. Plumb

"When religion loses the favor of the People, it becomes mythology."

~ Meister Omega
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Aug 9, 14 7:44 PM
How far do these markers work? Like a cell tower you need to be close to one? Put a marker on the GW Bridge, Verrazano Bridge and the Montauk lighthouse. Now the entire island is covered.
By Qguy (27), quogue on Aug 9, 14 9:13 PM
Problem solved!
By workingmom4 (7), Westhampton on Aug 10, 14 12:20 AM
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By Red7 (11), Southampton on Aug 10, 14 12:45 AM
Then move to an Arab country and see how you like it
By Biba (564), East Hampton on Aug 11, 14 6:52 AM
Red7's comments are way out of line-and just for the record I'm catholic
By westhamptonboy (227), Westhampton on Aug 10, 14 12:50 PM
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By Red7 (11), Southampton on Aug 11, 14 2:34 PM
Civil society in the United States is powerless to combat these solipsistic, autocratic sects. Our system of laws assumes that every citizen is patriotically invested in the democratic republican ethic of equality and mutual respect. When egomaniacal, well-funded groups like this come along, obsessed solely with the uncompromising self-assertion of their own exceptionalism, the law fails. It is so much worse when the sect can point to historical examples of depraved predation of its members and ...more
By highhatsize (4180), East Quogue on Aug 10, 14 3:11 PM
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^^ WHAT??? Yea, because NO one is trying to get an apartment in Williamsburg Brooklyn, which, of course is home to probably the most well known Hasidic Jewish community in the Country. You have finally out-bigoted yourself. Amazing

"Homebuyers will naturally eschew domiciling themselves in a municipality wherein a sect, renowned for having transformed other communities into dreary, unpleasant, religious ghettos, has impressed its footprint, especially when so many other attractive communities ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 11, 14 11:28 AM
to Nature:

["sigh"] Your irrationality is predictable. Williamsburg is in the CITY wherein inexpensive square footage is at a premium. Of course the Hasidim of Williamsburg have to contend with non-Hasidim competing with them for space. Non-Hasidim might not LIKE to live next to them, but they will endure their presence for the sake of a city residence since their choices are limited. By comparison, Lawrence, a suburban locale like Westhampton Beach, saw the non-Orthodox (both Jew ...more
By highhatsize (4180), East Quogue on Aug 11, 14 1:05 PM
"Williamsburg is in the CITY wherein inexpensive square footage is at a premium."

Ah yes, because inexpensive square footage is surely abundant from Westhampton Village on.

Your assertions are based on nothing more than bigotry.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 11, 14 2:30 PM
to Nature:

An irrelevant rejoinder coupled with a defamatory non sequitur - ignorance and meanness - your character defined.
By highhatsize (4180), East Quogue on Aug 12, 14 8:25 AM
To each his own. Furthermore, there is nothing about my statement which is a non-sequitur. Perhaps with all your Merriam-Webster knowledge, you have forgotten the definition of "bigotry"
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 12, 14 9:08 AM
Recent News:
Eruv up.
Sister Jackie sign down.
Nobody happy.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Aug 11, 14 9:00 AM
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A report in Newsday contained the following information that was omitted by the Press:

"Brian Sokoloff, an attorney representing Westhampton Beach, said he plans to appeal the ruling from June. 'This case is far from over,' he said."

By omitting that quote, the Press article makes the establishment of the eruv in Westhampton Beach seem a fait accompli. The ambiguous reportage implies that, while litigation may continue with regard to the LARGER eruv, it is over as far as Westhampton ...more
By highhatsize (4180), East Quogue on Aug 11, 14 9:21 AM
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Obviously I find Long Island Newsday far less a reliable source than you do, but I also find nothing sinister about the Press' omission of a quote from Sokoloff.

This story was filed Friday morning, and it's probable that the current reporter, whose byline seems to be relatively recent, didn't have Sokoloff's contact information in his roladex.

The Rabbi's well-known ego requires that he strike while the lechis are hot, so he's trusting that they can have their installation ceremony ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1823), Northampton on Aug 11, 14 4:30 PM
to Frank Wheeler:

Perhaps.

(Please note, Frank, that I have used up 50% of the access allotted to me daily by the Southampton Feed & Grain & Press for this response. Don't tell me I'm not gracious!)
By highhatsize (4180), East Quogue on Aug 12, 14 8:21 AM
Who gave Brian the authority to appeal and to make that statement to the Press?
By westhamptonboy (227), Westhampton on Aug 11, 14 11:17 AM
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anything we can hang up on poles for electronic absolution? I find going to confession very inconvenient
By bettyboo (38), Westhampton on Aug 11, 14 1:54 PM
Black Sabbath can set you up with an Electric Funeral...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Aug 11, 14 4:54 PM
How about a boundary that prevents littering, loitering and illegal hiring in front and behind the Westhampton 7-11. We seem rather selective in our outrage. The more I thought about the Eruv, and how it really affects nobody outside of the faith, the less I cared about it. If people walking peacefully to worship is such a big deal, then how very lucky we are.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 11, 14 2:57 PM
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I lived in Nassau County for a time, not far from West Hempstead, a place where yes there is an Eruv. Yes, there is an orthodox community there, but, it’s not exclusive, and it’s not dreary. In fact, the only thing I noticed was a lot of people walking to and from the synagogue on the Sabbath in particular families with kids in strollers. That is the only thing Westhampton will notice too. The neighborhoods will not change. This thought process...it’s almost like when east end ...more
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Aug 11, 14 3:29 PM
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Please the towns have been ruined
By Red7 (11), Southampton on Aug 15, 14 8:25 PM
will someone PLEASE put an eruv up in Hampton Bays? will look nice next to Saint Patrick's Day Parade signs the Feast of Saint Gennaro signs and the JESUS sign on Ponquogue facing the fire department. PLEASE move to Hampton Bays and pay taxes native born education loving congregants of Westhampton Synagogue PLEASE.
By davidf (325), hampton bays on Aug 11, 14 5:39 PM
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By davidf (325), hampton bays on Aug 11, 14 5:39 PM
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If they are tacked up on the Verizon part of the poles, then a violation of the establishment clause probably wouldn't float. LIPA is a public entity, and the lechis on their portion of the pole would violate the separation of church and state. If any of the poles are the sole property of LIPA, then the establishment clause will be violated.

Any way you slice it, it's ducking out on your alleged "faith" and the rules thereof. If you can't handle it, maybe one should convert to a "faith" ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Aug 11, 14 11:57 PM
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Well said Mr. Z. "Any way you slice it, it's ducking out on your alleged "faith" and the rules thereof. If you can't handle it, maybe one should convert to a "faith" or other mythology which is more suitable to one's lifestyle."

Most members of organized religions are hypocrites.
By Arnold Timer (326), Sag Harbor on Aug 12, 14 7:54 PM
Am I really reading this correctly? These Jewish folks are premeditating sin? They are creating "sin zones" so when they move into the hood, they can pick up a T.V. remote, or a book?
By Caring Mom (6), Wainscott on Aug 14, 14 12:56 AM
Yes you are reading correctly. There are several options and these comments are directed towards ALL religious adherents not only Jews:

How to get around (cheat) the Sabbath rules.

You could pay someone to do the work for you; cooking, driving, turning lights on/off, etc.
You could invest in technology to automate those tasks not allowed.
You could an erect an Eruv (get out of jail free zone).
You could comply with the spirit of your religion's rules.
You ...more
By Arnold Timer (326), Sag Harbor on Aug 15, 14 7:51 PM
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The eruv has no impact on those who don't require it. If you don't like it, ignore it. If you don't like Jews, stay away from us. Q.E.D.
By rspitalnick (1), westhampton beach on Aug 14, 14 7:29 PM
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Right, but it's on public property. How about you stay away from us? It's that attitude that starts conflict.
By lirider (288), Westhampton Beach on Aug 15, 14 2:34 PM
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How about you move to the middle east and see who is nicer
By Biba (564), East Hampton on Aug 17, 14 12:19 PM
As a Jew I've put up with all things Christian ..... Now it's your turn
By Biba (564), East Hampton on Aug 17, 14 12:22 PM
I'm not arguing behind any religion. I'm a born and raised Westhampton Beach local and hate what this has done to our community. Jews vs. Christians? Your attitude of one upping doesn't help.
By lirider (288), Westhampton Beach on Aug 18, 14 7:14 AM
You're not getting it !!!!AT ALL !!!!!!!!! AS A JEW I'VE HAD XMAS JAMMED DOWN MY THROAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IT NOW???????????????
By Biba (564), East Hampton on Aug 18, 14 7:27 AM
Calm down bubby!
By tenn tom (255), remsenburg on Aug 18, 14 7:35 AM
I've had a Minora at work glowing in the lobby right next to the Christmas tree since forever. The horror! They both come down about two weeks into January. Not like the eruv.
By lirider (288), Westhampton Beach on Aug 18, 14 8:52 AM
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please expand the eruv to include all the east end
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Aug 15, 14 6:03 PM
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Just for the record sense you removed my comments. I have many Jewish friends. They do not need an eruv to go to temple. Only the orthodox .
So why can't catholics protestant's Buddhists etc demand same rights they do.
By Red7 (11), Southampton on Aug 15, 14 7:00 PM
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By sailor11978 (1), westhampton beach on Aug 16, 14 3:42 PM
No other religion requires an eruv except orthodox Hasidisac. Can you Imagine how crowded the streets wood get if every other religion did the same.
By Red7 (11), Southampton on Aug 16, 14 6:26 PM
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By Red7 (11), Southampton on Aug 16, 14 6:38 PM
Its not the Eruv its the rabbi.
I still recall his comments about Westhampton Beach being like Nazi Germany in the 1930's and his stunt of getting a standing Governor of the State of NY to come to Westhampton Beach and berate its residents with his " a new Sheriff is in Town" speech, just to show he was a tough guy with clout.
pathetic performance by the Rabbi who has alienated the village for his own personal gain. Under any other circumstance nobody would have cared about the Eruv - he ...more
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Aug 16, 14 8:00 PM
I remember. This rabbi has many detractors within his own temple due to his aggressive clawing for the spotlight and his blatant disregard for honesty.

A glacier destroys a forest inch by inch.
By workingmom4 (7), Westhampton on Aug 19, 14 6:57 PM
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What exactly did he gain? Personally I mean.
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Aug 22, 14 2:17 PM
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By Red7 (11), Southampton on Aug 17, 14 3:06 PM
How about this ..... Jews came first ......
By Biba (564), East Hampton on Aug 18, 14 7:28 AM
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No they did not
By Red7 (11), Southampton on Aug 19, 14 12:03 AM
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By Red7 (11), Southampton on Aug 18, 14 12:51 PM
No first religion in the world was Hinduism.
By Red7 (11), Southampton on Aug 18, 14 7:21 PM
I really do not get the big deal. How does it affect anyone besides their community?

This is not something new that is only in our comunity it has been in communities for thousands of years. Is it a loophole? Or working as intended, I do not know nor care, it is their belief. It does not affect me and affects us in no way outside of seeing more people walk to synogauge on saturday.

Oh no
By Christina101 (7), West Hempstead on Aug 20, 14 3:40 PM
You live in Hempstead so it does not effect you. Just ride through Cedarhurst & see how Eruv ruined the area for all religions except orthodox & Hasidic .
The schools which were once great are terrible. The beautiful stores & restaurants. are gone. Everything is closed on Sat. It is very sad that a religion has to be so fanatic & force themselves into communities that they ruin.
By Red7 (11), Southampton on Aug 23, 14 5:58 PM
All religions have some aspects that outsiders find silly, for instance, celebrating the birth of Jesus on December 25th when it's clear that he wasn't born in the winter. I'm sure there are reasons why the eruv is needed for the orthodox Jews, and you likely need to be practicing that religion to understand it completely. Denying a particular group something that has no effect on you in an effort to keep them out of your neighborhood is just wrong and the only ones who benefit from a continued ...more
By lamm (304), Southampton on Aug 23, 14 9:52 PM
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