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Dec 9, 2009 12:49 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Suspended Westhampton Beach Village Police officers return to work

Dec 9, 2009 12:49 PM

The two suspended Westhampton Beach Village Police officers returned to active duty this week after being ordered back by the Village Board.

The board decided it would be too costly to investigate the charges against Officer Joseph Pesapane and Officer Michael Bruetsch, who were back on the job on December 3 and December 5, respectively.

The officers were suspended with pay on October 21 after the Suffolk County Police Internal Affairs Bureau concluded the officers lied to superiors and investigators about circumstances surrounding a fellow officer’s missing handgun, which was later recovered.

The measure to drop the charges and return the officers to work was approved by a 3-1 margin and supported by board members Jim Kametler, Joan Levan and Hank Tucker in a meeting on December 2. Trustee Toni-Jo Birk did not attend the meeting.

After the meeting, Ms. Levan, Mr. Kametler and Mr. Tucker all said they thought that reinstating the officers and not holding disciplinary hearings was in the best interest of village taxpayers. Mr. Kametler said that as a former Westhampton Beach police officer, he has sat through disciplinary hearings before, when Officer Thomas G. Verbeeck was put on the stand in the mid-1990s, and they could prove to be costly.

The decision to drop the disciplinary charges filed against Officers Bruetsch and Pesapane, was not supported by Mayor Conrad Teller.

“The investigation found numerous charges of alleged lying. These charges must be vetted and cannot be swept under the proverbial rug,” Mayor Teller said while reading from a prepared statement during last week’s meeting. “To just take ‘no action’ on this matter constitutes a failure to uphold your obligations as duly elected village trustees. The potential cost of a hearing is a lame excuse.”

Board members ordered Westhampton Beach Police Chief Ray Dean to drop the disciplinary charges filed against Officers Bruetsch and Pesapane and call them back to work. They also ordered Village Clerk Kathy McGinnis, who also serves as treasurer, to return any pay that was withheld from the officers while they were suspended. Though they were suspended with pay, the village owed Officer Bruetsch about $1,795 and Officer Pesapane about $1,570 in holiday and night differential pay.

Attempts to contact Officers Bruetsch and Pesapane have been unsuccessful.

“It’s not worth it,” Mr. Kametler said, referring to potential litigation that could be spawned by holding disciplinary hearings for the two previously suspended officers.

In the past, Officer Verbeeck was subject to two disciplinary hearings in 1996 and 1997, and was dismissed from the police department as a result of the second hearing. He sued the village in 1997, alleging that it violated his civil rights by treating him differently than other officers.

Mr. Kametler estimated that the hearings, lawsuit and settlement with Mr. Verbeeck cost the village $1 million. Records indicate that the two disciplinary hearings and lawsuit cost the village $474,719. The village also settled with Mr. Verbeeck for $600,000 in January 2003.

Ms. Levan said it was “the best decision for the village” to simply drop the charges.

Mr. Tucker agreed with her assessment. “Given all the information we have, I felt it was in the best interest of the community,” Mr. Tucker said.

When reached last Thursday evening, Ms. Birk, who missed the meeting because she had to attend a mandatory EMT refresher class, said she would have voted in favor of the measure to reinstate the officers.

“It’s the right thing to do,” said Ms. Birk, who volunteers with the Westhampton War Memorial Ambulance. “It’s in the best interest of the taxpayers.”

The resolution to drop the charges against the officers was not on the meeting agenda last Wednesday night. Mr. Kametler introduced the resolution during the meeting, and Ms. Levan seconded it. Ms. Levan, Mr. Kametler and Mr. Tucker voted in favor of the resolution while Mayor Teller voted against it, defiantly saying “no.”

Chief Dean said during the meeting that he would comply with the order though he advised board members that he is “not quite certain it is legal” for them to force him to drop the charges and reinstate the officers. He intends to research the legality of the move, he said after the meeting.

At the meeting, Chief Dean reminded the board that the charges filed against the officers were also sent to Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota’s office.

“All internal affairs investigations throughout the county, as a matter of practice, are sent to the DA’s office for review, as was this one,” he said.

He then asked if board members have conferred with, gotten an opinion or obtained any information from the district attorney’s office on the matter. There was a moment of silence during which no one on the board spoke before Chief Dean said, “I’ll take that as a ‘no.’ Thank you.”

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I am glad that the kingdom of Westhampton Beach has asserted its suzerainty to New York State. Now its citizens will be able to dispose of costly criminal matters simply by presenting them to a vote by the Village Board of Trustees.

One is reminded of the Danny Kaye film, "The Inspector General". "Hail, Westhampton Beach - - - to the stars."
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 3, 09 1:20 PM
You are happy to defend some whacko gun owner who sits outside a military base taking pictures with a trunk full of weapons and ammo, but you attack the police and their supporters every opportunity you get. At least your consistent.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Dec 3, 09 2:45 PM
Look out, HHS, she's stalking you now as well.

But consider the source -- someone who believes in the police, but now the law.

Stand-by for fcmcmann's scathing retort.
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 3, 09 2:57 PM
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Ray dean looks like that sheriff in RAMBO's FIRST BLOOD MOVIE.
By Johnny Nova (83), Northampton on Dec 13, 09 5:35 PM
Badges? Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!!!!
By diogenes (57), westhampton on Dec 3, 09 1:47 PM
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“The investigation found numerous charges of alleged lying. These charges must be vetted and cannot be swept under the proverbial rug,” Mayor Teller said while reading from a prepared statement on Wednesday night. “To just take ‘no action’ on this matter constitutes a failure to uphold your obligations as duly elected village trustees. The potential cost of a hearing is a lame excuse.” (Mayor Teller)

Therefore, Westhampton Beach has rewarded the alleged criminal behavior its officers, Bravo! ...more
By K Aventi (33), Southampton on Dec 3, 09 1:53 PM
The finest example of why this village has been dubbed "Crookhampton"
By Tom Selleck (8), Sag Harbor on Dec 3, 09 2:05 PM
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A passerby happened to video the Village Board of Trustees as they convened their meeting. Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhZO7-2kOQ&feature=related

(Start at 4:10)
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 3, 09 2:17 PM
The Village should consider abolishing the PD, at least it would cost less for absence of services. Of course excessed officers could work part time jobs doing security for the estate owners..

Maybe even John Roland will want to hire someone for that kind of work, if he doesn't already have someone on the job.

NY Village Law:

§ 8-800. Police departments

The board of trustees of a village may, by resolution, establish a police department in such village and appoint ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 3, 09 2:33 PM
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I agree there are enough Southampton Town Police officers roaming around Westhampton to patrol. As it seems to the layperson Westhampton having it's own police department is yet another status symbol. I remember an incident where a naked man broke into a womans house in the middle of the night and fled when the woman called the police the police found the man walking down O'neck lane wrapped in a blanket she had given him and drove him back to her house. When she called the following morning to ...more
By august_cutie17 (2), Westhampton Beach on Dec 8, 09 4:43 AM
I never agree with Publius on anything -- but I'm delighted to see that he's come around on this. (And you were such a huge apologist for Levan and Tucker last Spring!)

Greenport did it back in the mid-'90s. Seems like it's time that Westhampton Beach should do it as well.

(Don't understand what John Roland has to do with this matter, though.)
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 3, 09 2:45 PM
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Can't help that you are so disagreeable Mr. Wheeler.

But, do look at my post about the dissolution of the PD and my reference at that time to Greenport PD on June 7th. Maybe you remember that, maybe you don't. I guess you agreed with me then, but just didn't know it.

http://www.27east.com/story_detail.cfm?id=215194

For this Village to referee the infighting in the PD is a waste. The Chief carries no moral authority with Village residents, and that eliminates his ability ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 3, 09 3:29 PM
No moral authority?! Please, dazzle us with an explanation, Pube...
By Pedro Salazar (22), Center Moriches on Dec 3, 09 4:04 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 3, 09 5:49 PM
Relying on anything Newsday--or any of the Cablevision owned outlets--reports is like studying the National Enquirer to obtain your world news. You're relying on sensationalized, tabloid garbage.

The department was running very smoothly between the years when Dean first took the job and when Teller and Kametler took office. When that day came, the kids of the WHBPD--Neil Hanrahan, Jack Havens, Jeff Speer, Bobby Nordman, Tommy Hubbard, Kerry Laube, Ed Hamor, Nick Fusco, Steve Cunneen, Mike ...more
By Tom Selleck (8), Sag Harbor on Dec 3, 09 7:40 PM
And go ahead and check with Greenport, they have regretted it ever since they disbanded their PD. Southold Town promised them a dedicated patrol car to their Village which lasted a couple of months. Now Greenport is nothing more than an added responsibility to the patrol car who worked around Greenport when they had a PD. Eliminating WHBPD would add 3.8 square miles to an already too large patrol area for the SHTPD patrol car in that area, as are all SHTPD patrol areas. SHTPD is already short-staffed ...more
By cleo (4), WEsthampton on Dec 11, 09 12:31 PM
This Village board never stops proving how incompetent they are.They assign the PD with a chief with years of police experience then take away his ability supervise makeing him an empty suit. because they think they know how to run a Police Dept. better then him. If you want to build a house hire a house builder not an insurence agent who thinks they knows how to build a house.
By I'm Done (1), everytown USA on Dec 3, 09 3:59 PM
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To the Editor:

"The Inspector General is one of a number of major Hollywood productions from the 1940s and 1950s that have lapsed into the public domain in the United States." [Wiki]

Put me back.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 3, 09 5:13 PM
Thanks.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 4, 09 1:12 PM
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By Resident (42), Westhampton Beach on Dec 4, 09 7:32 AM
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> "Ray Dean's side business is home security"

You cannot be serious!

You have had some sort of bone to pick with the Police Chief in the past, and posted false accusations as part of your personal jihad -- the most easily disprovable one being that Ray Dean is the former Mayor's son-in-law.

Obviously there's a lot wrong in Westhampton Beach, most of it involving the Police Department. Linda Kabot's attorney is going to have a field day if she ever gets to trial.

But ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 4, 09 9:42 AM
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Frank you love to accuse others of lying while spewing your own twisted brand of "truth" in defense of your one true love, Ms. Kabot. Your "stalker" and publius are not the only ones who think you disagree for the sake of disagreeing.

You and that hatsize dude are so anti-police that one must wonder what hidden secrets motivate your irrational disdain.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Dec 4, 09 10:34 AM
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Speaking of "irrational!"

But Resident has been caught in several lies -- whatever your opinion of me is immaterial to that fact.

Didn't realize that I was carrying a torch for Linda -- hope Lance doesn't find out.
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 4, 09 11:26 AM
Which disgrace to the WHBPD are you connected to, Resident? Is it Neil Hanrahan? Jack Havens? Jeff Speer? Nick Fusco? Bob Nordman? Ed Hamor? Steve Cunneen? Tom Hubbard? Kerry Laube? Mike Breutsch? Joe Pesapane? Charlie Benkov? Kathy Barosa?

What does anything you just wrote have to do with this article? Where did John Roland come from?

There is a common pattern among the threads related to articles dealing with WHB politics: you and Publius (I wouldn't be surprised if you were ...more
By Pedro Salazar (22), Center Moriches on Dec 4, 09 12:18 PM
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Twas a crazy night at the country club; I was there. Roland & Dean refused napkins and instead wiped their mouths with $100 bills. They ordered a $900 bottle of wine and threw it across the room just to see what it would sound like when the glass broke! And can you believe this? They invited the Motley Crue to come play a set, Dean got up and did a drum solo with Tommy Lee. The 'ol blue bloods didn't know what to think!

These guys party like rock stars, man!!!!!! What, you jealous Resident?!?!
By Uncle Jesse (3), Southampton on Dec 4, 09 1:02 PM
Just as your opinion of all of those you assault and call liars is irrelevant.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Dec 4, 09 1:05 PM
Frank you're friends with Ray... and he probably wouldn't lie to you. Just ask him if he provides home security services to a few local summer people. It's certainly not a crime for him to do so. Ray's the one who responds if an alarm goes off at the Rolands, the service calls him... then ask Ray directly if John helped his Son get a job... there's nothing criminal about that either.
By Resident (42), Westhampton Beach on Dec 4, 09 2:44 PM
First off, where do you get that I'm "friends with Ray," although you appear to know him well enough to call him that.

I spoke to an acquaintance on Southampton Town PD last Spring when you and others were making a bunch of wild accusations about the man. He used to serve in the same unit with Ray Dean "back when," and he was kind enough to fill me in on the facts of the more hair-brained accusations -- like who his father-in-law was (NOT the Mayor of Westhampton Beach!) and such.

There ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 4, 09 3:33 PM
Since you dodged my question, let me ask you again: what do any of your b.s. allegations have to do with this article? But since you chose to introduce the subject, how about we take a look at some members of the WHBPD's side jobs and misconduct:

1) Sgt. Bobby Nordman is a caretaker who can often be seen tooling around town in his "client's" BMW 6 series.

2) PO Mark Demartino runs a landscaping business that happens to employ some--shall we say--not so legal citizens.

3) ...more
By Pedro Salazar (22), Center Moriches on Dec 4, 09 7:12 PM
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By cush870 (31), east quogue on Dec 8, 09 11:29 AM
It is sad that resident feels the need to personally attack the Dean family; particularly their children. The family members of the Tucker's are always left out of the mayhem and appropriately so, Why not the same consideration for the children and wife of the Dean family?
The comments have absolutely nothing to do with the business of the town. Try to limit your comments there - as no one is attacking the innocents family related to the board members.
Let us not be so ugly!
By for truth and justice (11), Westhampton on Dec 4, 09 3:52 PM
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The police hide a gun in someone's car and are found to have lied to an independent investigation and nothing happens to them? Is this for real?

If the police behave in this manner towards each other, imagine the contempt they must have for common citizens.

The comment about abolishing the village police department seems valid. Perhaps someone will tally the tax savings and make that a campaign issue.
By davidf (325), hampton bays on Dec 4, 09 5:50 PM
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Resident:
Your comments were Nasty and Vindictive!!! Do not EVER comment on my personal life or my children!!! What on earth does my personal life have to do with the Village of WHB??? These lies about my family and myself have to stop!!! I have taught my children that education, worth ethic and
most important honesty is what will get them ahead in life. Do not discredit our moral values with your lack of values. You seem to think that the only way a person can get ahead in life ...more
By Sick & Tired (1), quogue on Dec 4, 09 6:11 PM
resident you are back with your attacks against the chief.did you not hear what the board did with the two cops who stole the gun,and is their decision ok with you?The subject here is about them,not the chief and his family. why not stay on the subject,why must you take every opportunity to slam the chief? it is obvious by your comments who has you in their pocket.perhaps you should consider that the way the things are going the pd may well be turned over to the town,the chief could then retire,and ...more
By curious (77), westhampton beach on Dec 4, 09 6:25 PM
resident,after posting my comments, i read the letter from the chiefs wife.although i didnt see the comments that were removed,it is obvious they were worse than the one i was answering.. to upset the members of the family and make a wife and mother have to publicly come to the defense of her family,who have nothing to do with the story,is beyond un exceptable you owe them an apology. to try to discredit the chief you have gone over the line.you can dig as deep as you want,you will not find anything,this ...more
By curious (77), westhampton beach on Dec 4, 09 7:06 PM
Wow, everything is getting aired here and while I have sat back and watched there are a few discrepancies which should be corrected. I am an insider and although I am not a Police Officer I do see the daily functions or dysfunctions of this department.
First off, yes, Ray does some house watching on the side. It’s very common for Police Officers to do so on the east end. However, if you are going to throw Ray under the bus let’s not forget one of his Sgt.’s who has the local market cornered. ...more
By foundthefacts (8), westhampton on Dec 4, 09 8:03 PM
Good Lord! If this is -- even most of this -- is verifiable, where heck are the residents and taxpayers of Westhampton Beach? Why aren't they storming Village Hall?

Do they really not care?
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 4, 09 10:09 PM
Interesting, Foundthefacts can't seem to find any.
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Dec 5, 09 5:30 PM
Really, Bayman1?

What do you call:

[1] "These two senior dispatchers make over $80,000.00 a year to answer a few phone calls and dispatch a few calls?"

[2] "Southampton Town Police HAVE TO BY LAW provide the service to the village for free?"

[3] "Two police officers ... lied to internal affairs?

[4] "They have chosen to disregard a six month internal affairs report and bring him back on the job."

[5] "Neither of the cops that lied to internal ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 6, 09 10:47 AM
Frank Wheeler or actually Frank Bickley from WH pets. Just because your good friend Dean Speir says its a fact .... doesnt make it so !
By WHB65 (3), WHB on Dec 6, 09 1:42 PM
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Huh?

By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 6, 09 6:55 PM
You think that you could get a SCPD IAB report to fight a U Turn Ticket?
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Dec 15, 09 4:02 PM
That SCPD IA report, while not technically a public record, has been released to the local newspaper which operates this website. The Mayor who had a copy of the SCPD IA report, has verified that the copy in the hands of the Southampton Press is authentic.

The substance of that SCPD IA report has found that the two police officers were not truthful, under oath, during the SCPD IA investigation, so, yeah!, it is a matter of public record that they are liars UNDER OATH.

Now, is the ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 18, 09 3:12 PM
that is the question,why do the residents and taxpayers allow this,perhaps it doesn't matter till it hits home.this board is destroying the village,this decision is only one of many."found the facts" has brought a lot to light,let's hope it will open some eyes.it's time the truth is brought out.these cops have it in for Steve McMannus because he is a "good" cop and doesn't go along with their way of thinking,what they did to him is a serious breach of the behavior we expect from a policeman,their ...more
By curious (77), westhampton beach on Dec 5, 09 7:22 AM
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I don't agree with those posters who prefer "outsourcing" Westhampton Beach policing to the Town of Southampton. The STPD is enormously expensive due to patronage hiring. Additionally, its record of unprofessional behavior is abysmal. In 2008, the Southampton Town Council was cowed by the en masse in uniform appearance of the STPD rank and file at a Town Council meeting. The Supervisor at the time, Linda Kabot, had proposed for discussion the topic of not rehiring six officers whom the Chief ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 7, 09 1:37 AM
"...the Westhampton Beach Board of Trustees is in cahoots with criminally misbehaving officers. There is a solution. Dump them all as soon as electively possible."

At least someone gets it...
By Pedro Salazar (22), Center Moriches on Dec 7, 09 3:29 AM
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I tend to agree with you. However, it is the threat that they could all be on the bread line which should be used to bring them all into line.

The Chief has been employed for nearly 10 years. Those first years were by a Board with whom he clearly had favor. The Chief did not exercise his authority at that time to clean up a long standing problem in the Department. His beef about the present board can not excuse the past 9+ years.

Also, when you are as well compensated as ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 7, 09 11:52 AM
Publius: "The Chief did not exercise his authority at that time to clean up a long standing problem in the Department."

Do you REALLY live there???

I went back and checked a couple of items, and find several "facts" (as opposed to partisan opinions) that tend to impeach your assertion.

Chief Dean got rid of two very bad apples, one by termination, and the other who quit just before he was terminated. (And that's one of the present problems... that ex-cop is now a Village ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 7, 09 12:42 PM
Publius, I challenge you to check the record of chief Dean and then explain how he is in anyway to blame for the mess the WHBPD is in now.Untill this board came in he was correcting a deployable mess,they then started to undermine his authority,and the goons saw how easy it was to do as they want.You and all who voted for them are now reaping what you sowed.Put the blame where it belongs,it's obvious you're one of them,therefore,if you meet my challenge,the chief's record is,I"m sure you"ll find,is ...more
By curious (77), westhampton beach on Dec 7, 09 4:18 PM
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1.Has the Westhampton Village Board, as commissioners of police, properly overseen the functioning of the WHB PD?

2.Has Chief Dean properly overseen the functioning of the WHB PD?

3.Does the WHB PD properly function?

My answer to all three is No. For me what matters is the answer to question 3 which is: No, the WHB PD does not properly function.

Do we continue to pay for a PD that does not function and is right now nothing more than a lot of boys with guns, fast ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 8, 09 6:40 PM
The fact is they still LIED and they should not be on the job till the matter is cleared up.
I am not suprised the JIM THE GUN backed them up or the so-called mayor..
The Westhampton Beach PD is the JOKE of Suffolk
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 8, 09 7:21 PM
Could be.

WHB asked Suffolk IAB to investigate the circumstance surrounding a missing weapon Suffolk IAB did not reach any conclusions with respect to the weapon.

Suffolk IAB then made its own accusations against two officers. That did not resolve the question given to them. It only created another question, and that is whether their allegations are true.

One of those allegations from the Suffolk IAB, without more explanation is bizarre.

In substance that ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 8, 09 7:40 PM
From what you said:

"The Westhampton Beach PD is the JOKE of Suffolk"

I assume you agree that WHB PD does NOT properly function.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 8, 09 10:21 PM
Publius: "In substance that allegation was that a WHB Police Officer was attached to a polygraph machine, he was asked a question, and the machine said HE DID NOT LIE, and Suffolk PD accused him of tricking their machine."

Was that reported in the newspaper or on the Beach Blog, or do you have special information?
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 9, 09 9:09 AM
"Against the advice of a police union attorney, Officer Bruetsch took a polygraph exam on July 15 and was asked three questions: “Did you touch that gun? Did you touch that gun without the owner’s knowledge? Did you put that gun in the officer’s car?” The officer overseeing the exam concluded that Officer Bruetsch’s responses were “indicative of a person intending to mask deception,” according to the report." This is from the Southampton Press.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 9, 09 9:17 AM
Ahhhhhhhhhh! Thank you for that.

But where does it state, as you emphasized, "the machine said HE DID NOT LIE?"

I submit that you are making a conclusion of your own.
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 9, 09 9:38 AM
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That's fair comment. I did infer that IF the machine had indicated deception (a lie) they would have said so in their report.

Instead, the "officer overseeing" the exam says that his answers were "indicative of a person intending to mask deception."

What conclusion do you draw from these reported facts?

I also find it notable that one of the charges that had been brought was founded upon this alleged intention to mask deception.

In the final analysis, these ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 9, 09 12:45 PM
Trained polygraph technicians -- who operated more in the realm of "art" than "science" -- rarely make absolute pronouncements. I suggest to you than asserting anything such as "the machine said HE DID NOT LIE" is well beyond the scope of any polygraph report.

> "The absence of Ms. Birk was, in my opinion, a dodge move and we need better than that."

Again we concur. After disbanding the police department, perhaps the entire Village Board should be recalled. There must be some mechanism ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 9, 09 1:10 PM
I agree with your remarks about the "artistry" involved in polygraph examinations. It is why I find it remarkable that one of the charges would be based on such artistry.

If you were a resident taxpayer of WHB would you vote to abolish or "disband" the WHB PD? If so, why the defense of Chief Dean? Are you of a mind that at some point during his tenure the PD was functioning properly, if so, when was that?
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 9, 09 1:37 PM
At this point, it seems that they (the police) have become more trouble than they are worth! Throw the bums out!

Then look into disincorporating the Village -- I actually went through that process in the early 90s when Pine Valley Village Board meetings took on the demeanor of Monday Night RAW.
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 9, 09 4:12 PM
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That could be throwing the baby out with the bath water.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 9, 09 5:24 PM
Don't be mistaken Frank, facts have no place on this site, supposition and conjecture are the basis for virtually all posts.
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Dec 9, 09 7:53 PM
Ms. McGinnis pointed out that the police department is the village’s largest expense. It accounts for about 28 percent, or $2.5 million, of the village’s $8.93 million budget for 2009-10. That figure does not include employee benefits like health insurance, Ms. McGinnis said.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 9, 09 3:41 PM
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So the 28% is higher to patrol less than three square miles.This ia as I stated a joke.They are never around when needed.They are sleeping,hiding or maybe checking on a house they are getting paid for to check on.The people of the town better wake up and look at what has gone on the past few years in this town. The cop owned bar busted by Suffolk PD for selling drugs.The armed robbery at the Post Stop were the Southampton PD was FIRST to respond.The other break in's in town that year.Who was ever ...more
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 9, 09 11:35 PM
If anyone see's chief Dean maybe you should ask him "why" he covered JIM THE GUN"S butt and gave him the option to quit instead of starting a investagation about what he did to a fellow officer.Look at what was said by "Pedro Salazor" and maybe the chief can answer why nothing was done to those officers.Now just think how much goes on we do not know about. So Please stop telling us what a great job Dean is doing. The fish stinks from the head down.
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 10, 09 12:13 AM
Whoooa, SJD! The Beach Blogger documented that matter more than a year ago -- the Chief didn't give Jim Kametler an option. He was about to fire the bum when the man quit so he could keep his pension intact. I don't remember it being criminal stuff like the current situation, but violations of departmental regulations.

I don't think you really know what you are talking about.
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 10, 09 1:42 AM
Found it: http://www.whbqt.info/template_permalink.asp?id=364.
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 10, 09 2:19 AM
sjd,the reason kametler has it in so bad for the chief is because he refused to make him a dective,it's a joke that you would think there is anyway that the chief would have ever covered up for him,kametler left because he knew what was coming.check your facts before you speak, if the chief covered for him,why is kametler hellbent on getting him out?????it is the board who is responsible for this mess,just hold on,the truth is about to come out,as i understand from watching the video of the last ...more
By curious (77), westhampton beach on Dec 10, 09 7:33 AM
"Frank Wheeler" I know more than JIM THE GUN or Dean wants anyone to know.So he did not fire him as he should have done instead he covered his butt. That is just what DEAN did. Just ask them.But maybe they should be hooked to a lie detector.

"curious" The reason JIM THE GUN is so hellbent aginst Dean is the bum was forced to retire by Dean. He did not want to, he wanted to milk the job like all the rest of them do.HE should have been fired by DEAN

Again "the fish stinks from the ...more
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 10, 09 12:13 PM
> "I know more than JIM THE GUN or Dean wants anyone to know."

If that's what you actually think, you know little if anything about this.

You do not call a Civil Servant in and tell him, "Give me your badge and gun, you're outta here!" except on TV.

You prepare a case against the man, and that seems to be what the Chief was doing, only Kametler saw what was coming and resigned first, apparently to preserve what he already had vested.

And how did Dean "cover his ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 10, 09 3:49 PM
Fred Hager was never fired , he left on terminal leave for about 6 months and then retired with his 20 years of service.
By T.J. (31), WHB on Dec 10, 09 11:09 PM
"FRANK"
Dean covered his butt by giving "JIM THE GUN" a option to quit.The BUM should have been fired and if that was done the BUM would not be were he is now. The relationship between them goes way back. So tell me what has Dean done to the offices who hide,sleep and miss use there power.NOTHING
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 10, 09 7:34 PM
"FRANK"
Look at the Westhampton Beach Police report.Now tell me why we need this over paid police department
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 10, 09 7:36 PM
It's becoming increasingly obvious that Westhampton Beach doesn't "need" they police force they have. The whole department needs to go, including "T.J." above, the head of the PBA who thinks nothing of sleeping on duty in the middle of the morning, while making over $120k a year.

Disband the force, and let the good ones catch on somewhere else -- the bad ones, lotsa luck!

And the really bad ones the corrupt Village Board ordered the Chief to reinstate? They're screwed -- as they ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 11, 09 6:25 AM
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"T.J." Are you the head of the PBA??????
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 11, 09 5:22 PM
???? .... Maybe :-)
By T.J. (31), WHB on Dec 11, 09 7:37 PM
I want to go on record as saying Ray Dean does a very good job.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Dec 11, 09 5:29 PM
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Ray dean looks like the sheriff in RAMBO's FIRST BLOOD MOVIE.
By Johnny Nova (83), Northampton on Dec 13, 09 5:21 PM
"EastEnd68"
A good job compaired to what??? With all the cop's that lie,hide,sleep and miiss use power.What is done to them NOTHING. What about the the Southampton PD being 1st to show up at The Post Stop when it was held up and all the other crime that fall , who was arrested??? NO ONE. What about the COP OWNED bar busted by Suffolk PD for selling drugs??Over 28% of tax's for 3 under three square miles. GET REAL
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 11, 09 6:05 PM
Hey try living without a police dept.!!!!! I moved to vermont and the nearest police dept is 27 mi away.It's the state police. You can be dead by the time they get to you..One good thing is you can carry a gun and people know if they try to break in they're as good as dead.What s_cks is there's a police dept.2 mi over the bridge in newhampshire but it's a different state.So stop your whining
By transplanted newyorker (15), northeastkingdom on Dec 11, 09 7:00 PM
"transplanted newyorker"
Take a good look at what goes on here before you make any comments.The area we talk about is under three square miles.Other police departments respond here BEFORE the Westhampton Beach PD does. So you maybe dead before the Westhampton Beach Pd shows up. They are over paid and corrupt to say the least.
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 11, 09 8:20 PM
SJD:

Since you threw my name out there, let me clarify the things that I previously posted. All of those events either happened before Chief Dean took over—Freddy Hager’s escapades—or occurred during the time span of the Teller, Kametler, Tucker, Levan, Birk regime. Dean did a very good job cleaning up the department; case in point: Freddy Hager (perhaps the biggest bag of dirt WHB has ever seen). Dean didn’t fire him; Frank Wheeler pointed out that as a civil servant, one cannot just give ...more
By Pedro Salazar (22), Center Moriches on Dec 12, 09 12:26 AM
Wow! That's a pretty sad and lengthy history of awful performance by the Village police agency. Why do you think the tax payers put up with it?

And doesn't it seem that the present Mayor, as Arlo Guthrie once put it, has "rehabilitated himself?"

But I'm not sure that anything factual presented here will ever dissuade SJD from any of his preconceived opinions. He can't get over the fact that the police chief was home asleep early Sunday morning when The Post Stop was robbed.

It ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 12, 09 10:32 AM
"Pedro Salazar" First of all thank you for all your in put. You have to admitt that the Westhampton PD is never around when they are needed. As I stated when The Post Stop was robbed at gun point the Southampton PD was 1st to show up and no one was arrested for any of the crime that went on that fall. The officers have lied been caught sleeping,hiding and who knows what else goes on. The area they patrol is under three square miles and with all this crap going on who needs this OVER PAID police ...more
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 12, 09 1:08 AM
"Pedro Salazar" First of all thank you for all your in put. You have to admitt that the Westhampton PD is never around when they are needed. As I stated when The Post Stop was robbed at gun point the Southampton PD was 1st to show up and no one was arrested for any of the crime that went on that fall. The officers have lied been caught sleeping,hiding and who knows what else goes on. The area they patrol is under three square miles and with all this crap going on who needs this OVER PAID police ...more
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 12, 09 1:08 AM
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"Pedro Salazar" First of all thank you for all your in put. You have to admitt that the Westhampton PD is never around when they are needed. As I stated when The Post Stop was robbed at gun point the Southampton PD was 1st to show up and no one was arrested for any of the crime that went on that fall. The officers have lied been caught sleeping,hiding and who knows what else goes on. The area they patrol is under three square miles and with all this crap going on who needs this OVER PAID police ...more
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 12, 09 1:08 AM
Someone seems to have poor "mouse control.' Are you over anxious, SJD?
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 12, 09 10:34 AM
"Frank Wheeler"
I Stated that the Southampton PD was 1st to show up at The Post Stop. Were was the Westhampton Beach PD??? Lets not forget the patrol are is under three square miles. My comments are not as you say preconceived as you state but facts.
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 12, 09 1:41 PM
If it isn't time to abolish the PD, then it is time for a thorough examination of how business is conducted.

What is the actual crime rate in this community?

Are all reported crimes investigated?

Are all crimes charged at the appropriate level for the criminal acts perpetrated?

When was the last time an officer from WHB PD testified before the grand jury on a felony case that had been investigated and solved?

This is an inquiry that would require a great ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 13, 09 12:28 PM
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I guess you people who know nothng about nothing think it's ok for someonewho is supposed to be a fellow brother take a gun for over a week and it's ok? and think your getting away with it. Well he did ..that is someone I really would trust with my life and as my back up ???? hmmmm I don't think so maybe he should turn in his gun and shield cause BROTHER YOU AINT
By nunya (7), manorville on Dec 14, 09 3:16 PM
this gun thing was non sense from the beginning
By WESTEND (15), quogue on Dec 15, 09 1:03 AM
'Ceptin' if'n it wuz yur gun, cuz!
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 16, 09 10:54 PM
Maybe, instead of contracting with Southampton Town PD, WHB contracts with Quogue PD. It is a small department and the worst anyone says about them is that they aggressively enforce the law, particularly DWI laws. That is okay with me.

Unless, WHB PD can clean up its act in a hurry. Very doubtful...
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 15, 09 7:57 AM
Publius, Now that I know who you are,Mr.Palmer,I understand your comments,and where you're coming from.,and where your misinformation is coming from.
By curious (77), westhampton beach on Dec 15, 09 2:58 PM
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OK.
How do the occupants of this three mile circus dump the village board?
I'm not inclined to wait until next election day, as I strongly suspect illegal actions have occurred and professional boundaries have been violated. Darned if I want to give the Trustees another six months to dig us in deeper.
Forget the stupid :where are the citizens "expressing outrage" language. I mean, I'm not going to stump on the Village Hall greens in protest: I DO want to know to whom can we report ...more
By Jean (79), whb on Dec 16, 09 8:42 PM
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Jean,

why should we even try to save the police department at all. Yes, this board of trustees can't get out of its own way. That really isn't all that new for village governance.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 17, 09 9:08 AM
Jean, while your trying to clean up house in your neck of the woods, any good advice you come away with, throw my way, the RPD needs a good flushing, including the Judges. I'll even mention that the STHPD ain't much better. I know people that work for both. Nepotism has hit an all time high here. Ain't much you can do, except vote. Get the word out there. I'd rather take my chances with the SCPD than any police force on the east end. Liberty and Justice for all..................Right ON......... ...more
By Johnny Nova (83), Northampton on Dec 16, 09 9:50 PM
Good words, neighbor -- though I don't know that much about RPD anymore as I try to stay south of the southern circle.
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 16, 09 10:52 PM
The police department issue will resolve itself AFTER we figure out what to do with the WHB Trustees who have violated and mismanaged our trust. The fact that incompetence is tolerated by Publius has no bearing on the conversation; we're talking about illegal and malevolent behavior. NOT in the same league as stupidity or ignorance, P.

Did you read the latest whbqt.info blog today?
Did you read the second paragraph of the SHPress' editorial, addressing how badly our "trustees" (there's ...more
By Jean (79), whb on Dec 17, 09 10:43 AM
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Why would you think the PD will resolve itself ever?

I agree with you that the current trustees were elected primarily on the eruv issue. That is too bad because it should have simply been put to rest in the first instance. For me that is a separation of church and state issue, and for me it is absolutely clear that government officials have no business making such an endorsement, that it is surprising that the question was permitted to fester. That gave the opening to the election ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 17, 09 12:18 PM
Publius. You are of course too kind by saying this board can't get out of its own way. They are disgustingly corrupt. They have consistently failed the citizens of this village by deciding to make a war with the chief of police. Maybe true the department should be abolished, but not because of
Ray Dean. The reason is because lazy people will do whatever it takes to continue to be lazy. Ray tried to change all that and he is the bad guy?
Do you not agree that Hank Tucker lied ...more
By heeeere's johnny (11), westhampton beach on Dec 17, 09 11:18 AM
My goodness -- I just used that very quote yesterday in another Comment thread!

It was authored by George Santayana: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

My brother!

But you seem to have a pretty thorough recollection of your Village's recent past. But who shall lead your neighbor to the path of light and truth?
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Dec 17, 09 12:23 PM
Yeah, like Johnny said! Dude! "Publius. You are of course too kind by saying this board can't get out of its own way. They are disgustingly corrupt. They have consistently failed the citizens of this village " Plus: "And Joan Levan only cares about Joan Levan. She treats village employees like lapdogs, and has destroyed all the spirit that Ridgie Barnett worked so hard to bring to WHB."
" And as for Kametler... He doesn't even deserve space here. They are putting bad cops back on our street." ...more
By Jean (79), whb on Dec 17, 09 10:08 PM
"Disgustingly corrupt" is a conclusion you have made. Inept, can't get out of its own way when it comes to handling the PD, I agree.

"Disgustingly corrupt" that is indictable, go to Mr. Spota, but it has to go beyond just not liking the people or recognizing they have pulled a boner when they didn't proceed with a hearing.

Perhaps the residents of this village are not "distractable" they know the problem is with the PD top to bottom, blaming trustees, while they can't get out ...more
Dec 18, 09 6:28 AM appended by Publius
My post to you was: "I find it hard to reach the conclusion that the PD should continue and would be interested why you think it should." You did not address the issue. you engaged in distraction. Jean, are you now, and have you ever been satisfied with the operation of the village police department?
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 18, 09 6:28 AM
From our police blotter this week:

"Westhampton Beach Village Police confiscated three cases of beer from four teenagers on Oak Street at 8:30 p.m. on Saturday, December 12. An officer on patrol noticed two cars blocking the entrance to the Oak Street Condominiums and stopped to question the teenagers when he saw the beer. The teenagers, two 16-year-olds from Westhampton, a 16-year-old from East Quogue and a 15-year-old from Remsenburg, were not charged with a crime."

Who sold ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 18, 09 7:00 AM
OK The board is wrong and the police force STINKS

SO HOW DO WE GET RID OF THEM??????
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 18, 09 7:33 AM
As for the PD:

NY Village Law:

§ 8-800. Police departments

The board of trustees of a village may, by resolution, establish a police department in such village and appoint a chief of police and such personnel as may be needed, and fix their compensation

* * * * *

The board of trustees may abolish a police department established pursuant to this section by local law, subject to permissive referendum, and the department shall be deemed abolished as presented ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 18, 09 8:11 AM
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There has to be a way to get ride of the board to. Since they do NOTHING
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 18, 09 9:18 AM
From the Village Code:
Pursuant to the provisions of General Municipal Law § 806, the Board of Trustees of the Village of Westhampton Beach recognizes that there are rules of ethical conduct for public officers and employees which must be observed if a high degree of moral conduct is to be obtained and if public confidence is to be maintained in our unit of local government. It is the purpose of this chapter to promulgate these rules of ethical conduct for the officers and employees of the Village ...more
By WHBYankee (17), Westhampton Beach on Dec 18, 09 10:58 AM
Who is to say that the DA will not be involved?

These are the facts as we know them (I think). Two officers of the law STOLE a GUN from another officer and PLANTED the GUN in his personal vehicle to be found by his wife. The same vehicle used to transport his toddler. They did this either to jam him up because they didn't like him or to joke around with him because they didn't like him. But they STOLE a GUN.

One officer was found to be decietful when he took a voluntary lie ...more
By heeeere's johnny (11), westhampton beach on Dec 18, 09 11:40 AM
Really excellent posts, Johnny and Yankee;. I for one, do not think the interests of WHB would be served by Publius. I can't shake the feeling he's in cahoots with Levan, and if we can't dump her, we have not progressed, for the playing field will not have changed.
And lord knows he's got an Awful lot of fuzzy "Quick! Look over there!" distractions to say. (check#of posts here.)

Me, I'd love to see the absolutely jaw droppingly, brilliant guy with a proven history of local public ...more
By Jean (79), whb on Dec 18, 09 12:24 PM
Jean:
1. I am not yet ready to live full time in WHB so I won't be running for elected office this year. So forget about that.

2. You say I distract people with my posts, but, again, my post to you was: "I find it hard to reach the conclusion that the PD should continue and would be interested why you think it should." You did not address the issue. you engaged in distraction. Jean, are you now, and have you ever been satisfied with the operation of the village police department?"

3. ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Dec 18, 09 1:08 PM
The bottom line is The Westhampton PD is UNDER WORKED and OVER PAID.
You hardly ever see one around. Many of them have been caught lieing,hiding sleeping. So Dean blames the board, the board blames Dean and the bottom line is they all get paid for NOTHING and WE PAY FOR IT. They are all laughing ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK.
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Dec 18, 09 2:31 PM
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