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Mar 23, 2010 7:32 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

President signs historic health care legislation into law with Bishop's support

Mar 23, 2010 7:32 PM

President Barack Obama signed sweeping health care reform into law on Tuesday, following Sunday’s U.S. House of Representatives vote by 219 Democrats, including Southampton’s Tim Bishop, approving the legislation.

When the bill passed the Senate in December, Mr. Bishop was not in favor of it, but he said on Monday that he was satisfied with changes made to the bill using the legislative procedure called reconciliation.

He pointed out that he had also voted yes for the health care bill the House passed in November.

“I was a ‘lean-yes’ this time, but I had a couple of issues that were of paramount importance to me in terms of getting things right for New York and getting things right financially,” he said.

While the original House bill would have saved New York money, the Senate bill would have cost the state $1 billion in the first year, Mr. Bishop noted. “I was withholding my commitment to vote yes or no on the bill until I saw how New York was treated, and New York was treated very fairly in the reconciliation package,” he said.

Reconciliation resulted in a $1.3 billion savings for New York in the first year, and the savings will escalate over time, he said.

Mr. Bishop said that while his office received calls and letters from all over the country urging him to oppose the health care legislation, the feedback from his constituents in the 1st Congressional District was nearly evenly split—with slightly more in favor.

“I don’t know how it will affect my reelection,” he admitted. “I do know that I made the judgment that I made based on what I think is in the best interest of our district.”

His Republican challengers in the 2010 race sharply criticized Mr. Bishop’s vote.

“It’s really just disappointing that Congressman Bishop would side with Washington, D.C., and San Francisco guys instead of Suffolk County guys, and I think we really need representation in Congress that’s going to do the right thing to lower health care cost in the right way—not with some massive government takeover of one-sixth of the U.S. economy,” candidate Chris Cox of Westhampton Beach and New York City said on Wednesday.

Mr. Cox, grandson of former President Richard Nixon and son of New York State Republican Committee Chairman Ed Cox, went on to say that “the bill strong-arms individuals into buying insurance, and that’s the heavy hand of government getting involved.”

“We should come up with common sense solutions, not ones that are forcing individuals into buying something they might not necessarily want,” he said.

Projections estimate the legislation will insure 32 million currently uninsured Americans by 2019. Mr. Bishop said the costs of the newly insured will primarily be paid for in two ways: an increase in the Medicare withholding tax on families that make $250,000 a year or more, and a tax on “Cadillac” health 
insurance plans—expensive insurance policies that are part of employees’ compensation packages but not subject to taxation.

Mr. Bishop said he was concerned with how the Senate bill defined “Cadillac” plans, but the reconciliation package ensured the tax would only affect very expensive, high-premium plans.

Randy Altschuler of St. James, who is also vying for the GOP nomination, said passing the health care bill using reconciliation—which allows a simple majority of the Senate to pass House amendments to a bill—was unfair to the American people.

“This is a legislation that is affecting one-sixth of the economy, and the fact that it wasn’t done through a real vote just shows it’s business as usual,” he said. “This is the kind of shenanigans that you see in Washington, and, frankly, that’s why you need to bring in outsiders like myself and other candidates around the country, who aren’t professional politicians. In business, you can never get away with this kind of nonsense.”

Mr. Bishop defended the decision to use reconciliation, which was created in 1974. “Seventy-two percent of the time that reconciliation has been used since it was first established as a mechanism, it has been used when the Republicans were in control of Congress,” he said. “So it’s both disingenuous and hypocritical for the Republicans to be screaming now that this is an illegitimate practice, when they, in fact, have used it almost three-quarters of the time that it has been used.”

Reconciliation was designed to drive down deficits, and in this instance, it did, Mr. Bishop said, adding that it is one of the reasons he voted in favor of the bill.

The Congressional Budget Office reported last week that the health care overhaul would reduce the national deficit by $143 billion over the first 10 years, followed by $1.2 trillion over the second decade.

“That’s not a Democratic number or a Republican number,” Mr. Bishop said. “That’s the Congressional Budget Office, which is a nonpartisan arm of the Congress.”

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Congressman Bishop, you displayed true leadership with your historic vote on this important new law in our country. Your constituents are with you.
Remember that there was much opposition to the 19th Amendment as well.
Thank You.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Mar 23, 10 5:00 PM
My bad .... Definately do NOT like this comment.
By T.J. (31), WHB on Mar 23, 10 7:38 PM
In the face of partisan Republican bad-mouthing, Tim Bishop demonstrated a unique leadership and courage in voting for health care -- despite the crazies of late imported to rudely disrupt, intimidate and bully at his many town meetings -- other leaders witnessed similar hardships when enactment came in 1935 of Social Security and 1965 of Medicare. It is a truly historic moment. Reasoned, thinking people may not all agree on the details but they will embrace the need to protect families from arbitrary ...more
By JimmyKBond (156), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 10 1:34 PM
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Congressman Bishop, thank you for allowing Long Island to be a part of this historic moment. As SHNative said, those of us who support so do so wholeheartedly. You have done what you were elected to do and now we will look to you to continue to fight to make this legislation even stronger in the future. The crazies will attack and scream and yell, but, in the end, you did what was best for your constituents and that will be remembered.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Mar 23, 10 5:17 PM
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Congressman rather (Comrade) Bishop, thank you for helping to create what will be yet another bankrupted government program. You, Pelosi, Obama, and Reid and all your socialist cronies will pay dearly for this one. Most Americans don't want this. The numbers don't lie. There is a storm coming for you guys in November.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 6:08 PM
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I like how people who are for less government are being called crazies. What a joke. Less government is what the founders believed in. These are the core principles of our republic. To be against these principles is to be against the very foundation of what America stands for. So sad, how so many crave wealth redistribution and hand outs. I guess you people look up to Karl Marx. I'll stay will Washington, Jefferson and Adams. History has proven socialism to be a failure. This is not debatable.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 6:14 PM
New York Medicaid is bankrupting the state and now this. Bishop is a clown and has not even listened to his base. BYE BYE BOZO!!!
By kpjc (161), east quogue on Mar 23, 10 6:32 PM
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I think it is the COSTS involved with healthcare, that are "bankrupting" the state.

Less government, means less regulation. Less regulation invites malfeasance in like Dracula.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 2, 10 2:20 PM
I encourage anyone to call Bishops office at 631-696-6500 and ask for a copy of the letter he sent Pelosi outlining why he would NOT vote for the senate bill. His language is tame compared to what Gov. Paterson has stated. If you are a progressive this bill stinks, if you are conservative it stinks and if you are a new yorker it stinks. This bill is NOT in the best interest of his contstituents and he flat out lies when he says response was 50/50.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 6:33 PM
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Tim Bishop should be praised for his vote. He worked hard to find compromise and the best possible bill at this juncture. I am so ashamed of the behavior of the Republican representatives to Congress - they lost an historic opportunity to participate in an enormous step forward - and lost their opportunity to put their stamp on the bill.
For the republicans to just say no because they want Obama to fail is a slap in the face of the American people who voted for their representatives to participate ...more
By sunshine (47), southampton on Mar 23, 10 7:11 PM
You are obviuosly a lib. I agree it is unfortunate there was no bipartisan support. If we had it the country would not be at such odds but the Democrats chose that course early on. They chose to negotiate behind closed doors. They miscalculated the internal bickering, Scott Browns win, and most of all the american people Ire.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 7:53 PM
The most important thing razza5350 is sunshine is an American like you and sunshine is entitled to voice his/her opinion just as you do on this site regardless of party affiliation. Just because it doesn't make your ideals doesn't make it any more right or wrong than your opinion.
By sayitaintsojoe (100), Westhampton on Mar 23, 10 9:22 PM
Franklin Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson encountered the same kinds of small minded Republican thinking only to see today, nary a Republican willing to end Social Security or Medicare as we know it. Why? Because even as their own President George Bush (43) tried to privatize the program, the Republicans in charge then rejected it wholesale.

When you have coverage, it is easy to deny those who don't ... wake up friends!
By JimmyKBond (156), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 10 1:39 PM
At this point there is nothing else to say. Either you are for the founding principles of liberty and for more government power. I stand with the founders, the republic and liberty. Obama, Reid and Pelosi stand against the founders. They make me sick, almost as sick as all the trendy liberals that drive around the Hamptons in Range Rovers.
Mar 23, 10 7:23 PM appended by reality 101
At this point there is nothing else to say. Either you are for the founding principles of liberty or you are for more gov. power. I stand with the founders, the republic and liberty. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi stand against the founders. They make me sick, almost as sick as all those trendy libs driving around the Hamptons in their Range Rovers.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 7:23 PM
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Please clearly define how a majority vote on the floor of the House by our ELECTED representatives "stands against the founders". Please do not use rhetoric, but facts.

You clearly want to make this some sort of class battle. You have a deep resentment against what you see as "rich liberals" but this bill will help the poor, not the rich. It was George Bush and the republicans who gave 2 trillion dollars in unpaid for tax cuts to the rich. An activist republican court that granted ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Mar 24, 10 8:08 AM
I agree.

Please avoid the Polemics.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 2, 10 2:22 PM
That should read founding principles or more government power? I just can't understand the faith in bigger government? It's puzzling to me.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 7:30 PM
Hey Reality, read your history! The Constitution was written because our little ineffective government under the Articles of Confederation was not working. I am sick of you taking the side of such great men as our Founding Fathers to advance your partisan agenda. Those men knew that change was necessary to adapt to new times and challenges. That is why they wrote a Constitution with flexibility.
By the way our little government was bankrupt and those Founding Fathers worked and fought to increase ...more
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Mar 23, 10 8:00 PM
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Razza: with all due respect, I invite you to google Congressman Bishop's website to see why he decided to vote for the bill. What is left out of this article is his following statement:
" I am pleased that the reconciliation process corrected several deal-breakers for me in the Senate bill, notably the side deals worked out for states such as Nebraska and a provision related to Medicaid funding that would have cost New York several billion dollars. Another important factor was the nonpartisan ...more
By SamIAm (36), hampton bays on Mar 23, 10 8:08 PM
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Sam with all due respect to you call his office and ask for a copy of the letter. They will send it to you.. After Brown won he sent the letter to Pelosi effectively saying in good conscience he could not vote for the senate bill because it was not a good bill for his contsituents. The man has no courage. If he did he would have voted against his party and voted for what was in the best interest of his constituents. That my friend takes courage. Again with all due respect To say that countries are ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 8:35 PM
Personally, I was more proud than I have ever been of my representative this weekend. Congressman Bishop's courage to stand up and act for what he believed was best for his constituents is truly admirable.

As ever, he has earned my full support and will most definitely be receiving my vote come November.
By youngdem (16), Southampton on Mar 23, 10 8:35 PM
somehow I am not surprised. A dem logo and name of youngdem who loves bishop and will vote for him
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 9:30 PM
Your hatred and anger are really misplaced. This person has a right to support any candidate they choose. I have read many of your comments on these boards and not once have you tried to take a positive stand. You do not offer viable alternatives but jump up and down and shout outrageous insults. If you feel something is broken then attempt a positive step to fix it. Kicking others might make you feel better, but it will not solve the issues that you claim to care about.

Tim Bishop is ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Mar 24, 10 8:14 AM
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Razza, wasn't it you who posted on this site in August 09, the folllowing:

"The orginal goal of helath care reform was to improve care, reduce costs and reduce the number of uninsured's. I think most educated americans agree that these are all noble goals and are in favor of accomplishing them However an independent bi partisan study by the Congressional Budget office shows that all propsed plans so far with a public option will reduce the quality of care and greatly increase the cost of ...more
By SamIAm (36), hampton bays on Mar 23, 10 8:47 PM
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The bill was drafted and passed on strictly a partisan basis. The only thing bi-partisan was the opposition. It inherently fails to do anything to reduce the costs of health care in this country. In fact as a direct result they will rise even faster, along with the cost of insurance and our taxes. There was nothing honorable about the way this was done. Those thumping their chests are beating the drums of the funeral march of our country heading ever closer to financial failure.
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Mar 23, 10 9:12 PM
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Sam, I am not sure if I said that but I assume you are quoting me from a certain date. I defintely feel that everyone agrees we want to reduce the costs and increase the number of uninsureds. This bill defintely decreases the number of uninsured on the back of the working man. It does little to decrease the cost of care. The CBO estimate for reduction in debt over 10 years is about 150 billion. That is paying taxes for 10 years for 6 years of benefits. If you want to try to push out over 10 years ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 9:28 PM
What does Bishop care? Between him and his wife he doesn't have to pay for health care the rest of his life. The mere fact that the bill, now law, was so divisive was reason enough not to pass it. Even the most supportive Democrats have to admit that it was victory at all costs and that they viewed anyone who opposed them as idiots. NEVER has a bill become law without one single opposing/minority party vote in the house. It's sad.
By The Real World (368), southampton on Mar 23, 10 9:46 PM
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Did you read it, cover to cover, Tim? Well? Did you? Or did you do as your comrades told you to?

Bad politician. No more votes for you.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Mar 23, 10 9:54 PM
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OK, the last line was funny...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 2, 10 2:24 PM
I recived a email from Bishop's office weeks ago telling me why he would vote NO!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets face it he SOLD OUT
Make sure we all remember it at election time
SAY GOOD BYE TIM!!!!!!!!!!!
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Mar 23, 10 10:43 PM
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He all so admitts about all the calls and letters to vote NO
and he wounders how it will affect his re-election.
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Mar 23, 10 10:46 PM
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Congrats to all the dems who had the courage to vote for the new Health Reform Bill, Let the big brave repuks who hate the bill ,be the first to tell some child with asthma that they will never be able to get health insurance.
By DJ9222 (85), southampton on Mar 23, 10 11:23 PM
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simply not true. Please google child health plus and educate yourself. This program has been around for years. Stop getting your info from moveon.org. If anything children should hate this bill. It will saddle them with debt for years to come
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 11:47 PM
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And, who created the debt, that will cause the debt you speak of?

Technically, via economic hypothesis, even if you don't have conventional debt, the fact that your income cannot support your basic needs is debt. You simply don't have those basic needs, because you can't afford them.

We call it "low-income", or "poverty".
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 2, 10 2:28 PM
To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.

Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816

I want to spread the wealth around. - Barack Obama to Joe the Plumber, ...more
By cwulforst (5), Manorville on Mar 23, 10 11:32 PM
don't spread my wealth. Spread my work ethic.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Mar 27, 10 3:07 PM
Sad part is, even those with a solid work ethic, simply don't have the means to
"make it".

You can thank those who have "capitalized" on their own fortune, and luck to excess for that.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 2, 10 2:31 PM
You people need to get you head out of the sand. We are being forced to buy goods and services even if we dont want to. If we dont then we will be fined! Read the fine print. The IRS will now have the power to look at your health Insurance to see if it meets the new Gov Standards. If it doesnt you will be fined through your income tax return. Illegal immigrants are exempt from fines how does that grab you. Costs will go up more taxes on medical devices will mean increased cost to the end user. More ...more
By Fedupin HamptonBays (18), Hampton Bays on Mar 24, 10 6:48 AM
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Illegal immigrants are also "exempt" from taxes, via the 1099, and no real checks on the validity of their status.

How's that?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 2, 10 2:33 PM
you can read the full report here
By Fedupin HamptonBays (18), Hampton Bays on Mar 24, 10 7:01 AM
Where was all of this fiscal responsibility on the lead-up to the Iraq War?
Our children will be paying for that!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 8:10 AM
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Bye-bye, Timmy. You may as well clean our your desk and office now because you will not be re-elected. Shameful and disgraceful are just a few of the words I have for you. Good ridance!
By Dayo (33), Sag Harbor on Mar 24, 10 8:31 AM
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For all those who didn't want too much government, please send back all your unemployment insurance, social security,medicaid and medicare back to the federal government that you received.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 8:44 AM
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If your income is decent and you could get a refund check for all the money you have dumped into these entitlements you probably would. Will the Gvt give me that option or will it force me to continue to pay for entitlements for people like you
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 24, 10 9:04 AM
I'll be more than happy to. I am one who never qualifies for any govt program even though i struggle on a daily basis. So,,,I'll be more than happy to send all of the nothing back. And, at the same time, they can keep taxing me to pay for the unemployed, welfare receipients. As a matter of fact, why don't they just drive up to my home in their escalade and i'll give it right to them.
By EEG (19), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 11:42 AM
SHnative. The founders would never support something like the giant health care bill. They never wanted the fed. government to be so big. You are the one who needs a history lesson. They were directly opposed wealth redistribution and hand outs.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 24, 10 10:17 AM
You are not entitled to speak for what the founders wanted or did not want!
Like I stated earlier, the Founding Fathers created our Constitution to avert disaster from a weak ineffective central government under the Articles of Confederation. In addition, the founders provided flexibility in our government to meet the needs of the new times and challenges like now.
You use this rhetoric to try an advance your partisan agenda and it is simply wrong!

By SHNative (554), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 11:07 AM
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Again, please avoid the Polemics!!!!!!!

Thanks, SHNative
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 2, 10 2:38 PM
Hey razza, I don't have or used any of these entitlements. I retired at 48. You have to pay something for the common good of your neighbors. If your not getting along, START WORKING HARDER and stop crying!!!!!!!
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 11:34 AM
spoken like a communist
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 24, 10 11:35 AM
"pay something for the common good of your neighbors"?????? I'm sure you make more than me considering you were able to retire at 48, so would you mind sending me a check so i may spend more money in local businesses for the common good of my neighbors? Sounds stupid doesn't it?
By EEG (19), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 11:48 AM
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EEG retired at age 48 means he was probably a cop. So bottom line you have been sending him his paycheck and union benefits and will continue to do so as long as he lives
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 24, 10 12:03 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 12:58 PM
I wholeheartedly agree with the many folks who have spoken out above to support Tim Bishop's vote in favor of health care reform. They are quite a few indeed, about equal -- in number, if not in volume -- to the commenters above who oppose the measure. (Looks like we're gaining on them.)
I can't quite go along, however, with those who say this was a courageous vote on Tim Bishop's part. It's not my intention to take anything away from this good, smart and moral stand by the Congressman, ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Mar 24, 10 11:41 AM
hey eeg,you got time to play on a computer,go get a second job and stop your whining. a real and healthy american doesn't need anybody to subsidize them like your asking me.Let me guess razza, your a republican,you hate everyone who doesn't look,act,and talk exactly like you.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 12:04 PM
I work very hard for a living, and will never complain about the quality of my life. It's up to me to make it better, I don't expect my neighbors to give more to help me out. I don't expect my neighbors to pay for my healthcare, my food, my mortgage, my bills. Under this law, if i faulter, i don't need to worry, all my rich neighbors will be forced to bail me out. Thanks but no thanks.
By EEG (19), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 3:12 PM
Hey Mets fan, I agree "a real and healthy american doesn't need anybody to subsidize them" -- So let's get rid of all of these ridiculous entitlement programs!!! I sick of paying a third of my income to the gov't so that my neighbor (who makes more than I do, but it's off the books) can recieve all of these ridiculous entitlements that I have no say in. I'll pay for the upkeep of our roads, our military, and our school systems, but I am infuriated that I have to pay for my neighbors cell phone, ...more
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Mar 27, 10 7:22 AM
HEY, my second job IS performed BY working on a computer.

Taking a lunch hour to contribute to a forum is enjoyable from my point of view.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 2, 10 2:43 PM
I hope all of you who are so adamantly against health care reform will step up to buy tickets for the upcoming fundraiser for a hardworking but under insured local person who desperately needs help paying medical bills. My guess is that you won't, nor will you for the next person who needs help, or the person after that. Nor have you for all the ones before them. You figure it's their problem, that they should have had insurance. Right? Do each of you have insurance? Then, you are fortunate. Not ...more
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Mar 24, 10 12:22 PM
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15K for medical ins on a salary of 22K??? Google Healthny. You can get cvg for about 250 per month. The rest of your comments are prejudiced and offensive
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 24, 10 12:36 PM
Most of us posting here live here, we are all paying the rents or taxes. I'm assuming you don't make over 250k a year or you'd be up in arms having to share your wealth with your less fortunate neighbor because he/she won't get up off their tush and work for a living.

It's the democrats way to pay for the lazy people, so i expect to see you at the other fundraiser for the underemployed.
By EEG (19), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 3:06 PM
And, exactly what type of coverage will you get at $250 per month?

I get the feeling you would be footing a good percentage of the hospital bill, on top of your premiums.

I'd have to do some research, though...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 2, 10 2:42 PM
SHnative, this is not meant to be partisan. I find many faults with the Republicans.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 24, 10 12:33 PM
Well for those of you who think they cannot affored health insurance now, check this out. Please, dont not believe me but look it up. in 2014 you will be mandated to buy health insurance. Unless you are below the poverty level your cost will be approx $5,900 for individuals and $11,000 for families after credits. Also check around now, you may find the costs are the same.
I think most of you supporters of this bill dont really know what you are going to get.

Health care reform is ...more
By kpjc (161), east quogue on Mar 24, 10 1:02 PM
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You are 1000% right.
Now someone can tell me that they beilve at any of these CLOWNS like Bishop really did read every page of this bill.
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Mar 24, 10 1:50 PM
Thank you, very well said.
By EEG (19), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 3:08 PM
It is not if you are "under the poverty level"! If you are a family earning less than $66,000/year you will be paying appx $5,900 a YEAR as opposed to the $1,200/month those of us in that bracket pay NOW. If you are considered below poverty, your insurance will be subsidized and those people will, some for the first time in their lives, actually have affordable health care options. Where did you look it up, glennbeck.com? Why spread your vile lies? Is it because you are too ignorant to argue ...more
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 3:34 PM
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YEARrOUDER--go to the following calculator posted by -dagdav- and then choke on your own ignorance.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/what-health-bill-means-for-you
By kpjc (161), east quogue on Mar 24, 10 5:42 PM
I wasn't a cop ,I owned a local business for twenty five years. I earned my way and paid my taxes like a good american. The taxes I paid I think were fair for what I made. But like every republican, you can't really say what this is all about.This isn't about health care and taxes. The underlining root is really about bias, bigotry, and racism.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 3:34 PM
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Racism? Really? That sounds like you don't want to argue on facts, and just want to accuse the opposition of something deplorable in an attempt to discredit them. This is a disgusting tactic used by those of us who can't be articulate enough to express our own views. I have not seen one comment on this post that could even begin to be misconstrued as racist. You should be ashamed for suggesting this, as you are spitting in the eye of those minorties you are claiming to protect.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Mar 25, 10 7:00 AM
The underlying roots are self-entitlement, greed, and avarice.

Mostly on the parts of insurers, and pharmacuetical companies who put profit BEFORE people.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 2, 10 2:45 PM
SHNative says:
You are not entitled to speak for what the founders wanted or did not want!

WOW. Free speech is next?
By Terry (380), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 3:38 PM
Please do not be swayed by lies of the far right. They use fear and hatred to make their point.

What will insurance cost you? Try this link to the Washington Post's cost calculator http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/what-health-bill-means-for-you

In the US poverty level is considered $22,000/year for a family of four. This calculator shows that these people will be eligible for medicare - they will not be paying $5,900/month - that statement is patently ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Mar 24, 10 3:42 PM
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If you are an individual and/or sole proprieter with no dependents earning under 27,084 per year you are eligible for healthNY. The cheapest plan is 166.26 per month. If you have dependents income eligibility requirements go up. You can google the information. There are also plans availible for self employed people making over that income threshold. Those plans average about 400 per month. Dag is right lies benefit none of us. These are the facts. I hope Yearrounder reads this so she can save herself ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 24, 10 4:00 PM
I beg to differ, razza, I also pay for my insurance out of pocket - it costs me about the same for Aetna (I used to pay the same for Blue Cross) $1,200/month for my family or upwards of $15,000 a year. I also have a co-pay. And I am not the only one. Everyone I know that is self employed pays almost exactly what I do, some even more.

The plans available for the self employed would save me no more than $200/month if I qualified.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Mar 24, 10 4:31 PM
We were taking about individual s not family. Healthy NY for a family of 4 making under 55,128 is 487.97 per month. If you are a sole prop making more than that it is tricky. You may want to put your kids on child health plus or create a group by adding your spouse on as a partner. You then should be able to get a family plan for about 800 per month. My son had to do this. I reccomend you Call Karl Washwick at the Washwick agency or try your your local insurance agent. The broker who did it for ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 24, 10 5:04 PM
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By kpjc (161), east quogue on Mar 24, 10 5:38 PM
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"Lies benefit none of us."

Where does the calculator factor in the lowering of premiums by an average of $2,500 per family per year as promised over and over and over and over again by O?
By Simon (16), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 8:24 PM
FYI..Anyone from east hampton. Vote today from 3-9 at middle school for town to buy Verizon building and turn it into a bus depot for over 4 million. If you think this is a bad idea and will raise taxes you should go vote if not please stay home LOL>
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 24, 10 4:13 PM
Thanks Tim: You voted for a bill that will federally fund abortions( BHO's executive doesn't trump the law!). Hope you sleep well at night knowing that you voted in favor of killing unborn innocents. What a great Demokrat.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 24, 10 5:06 PM
As I explained above at 11:41 AM, Tim Bishop and the Democrats are going to take this health care thing to the bank in November. They'll have a field day slaughtering the opposition by showing how much good the law is already doing for ordinary people, and how the Republiks were so much in the pocket of the insurance companies that they fought every step of the way to keep it from happening. Oh yes, they're worried. You can tell how much they're worried by the fact that frantic Republiks like ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Mar 24, 10 7:00 PM
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TurkeyBridge you are so wrong about this. This was a huge mistake by the Dems, and they will pay dearly in November. I'm hoping that this forces the Republicans to become constitutional conservatives again, more libertarian in nature like Ron Paul.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 24, 10 7:44 PM
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We'll see in November, won't we?
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Mar 24, 10 8:45 PM
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Unfortunately, reality, turkey bridge is partially right on this. There are all sorts of short term benefits that take effect immediately, that aren't taxed for until after november. This was planned by the dems to garner support for this upcoming election. In the long run, however, this bill will be a disaster. The growing sense of entitlement in this country WILL be our downfall-- it is now just a matter of time.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Mar 25, 10 7:07 AM
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Thank you Mr. Bishop.
By nellie (451), sag harbor on Mar 24, 10 10:56 PM
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Make sure you thank him in 5 years when your income taxes are at 55% due to this catastrophe. I don't know how much YOU make, but if you take 55% of MY income, I won't be able to live here anymore.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Mar 27, 10 1:46 AM
Please wake up. This is the first time sincewe threw King George out that we are being forced by government to purchase any product simply because we are alive. This turns our Gov. on its' head. We are now the servants, they the master. Where are our unalieable rights now? 234 years and back to serf status. You people who think that this program is "better", please show me the insuring agreement that is superior to the current coverage. You can'rt becauase none exists. You've been sold a pig in ...more
By Lost Tribe (66), East Hampton on Mar 24, 10 11:25 PM
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Bishop doesn't know how his yes vote will effect his reelection. I think he deserves to know. YOUR DONE START PACKING.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Mar 25, 10 12:27 AM
This isn;t about Politics as I stated above look at the big picture....
Socialized Medicine will not work......
Some ideas do indeed die hard. For the greater part of the last half century, a number of our more “enlightened” — that is, more socialist-minded — neighbors, such as Canada and the European nations, have nationalized their medical industries and ever since have been struggling to live up to their promise of “health insurance and quality health care” for all. Huge waiting lists ...more
By Fedupin HamptonBays (18), Hampton Bays on Mar 25, 10 6:43 AM
Ummm.....this is not socialized health care.
Try turining the channel from Fox for a couple on minutes each day to get real news.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Mar 25, 10 9:12 AM
Oh real TV like CNN? (Corrupt news Network) that only airs what they want us to believe? come on wake up America - remember what they did to Connie Chug for telling the TRUTH. The truth hurts and no one wants to believe it. Denial is all that is going on........if anyone has half a brain around here you can search the internet and see whats really happening. Get your heads out of the sand already!
By Fedupin HamptonBays (18), Hampton Bays on Mar 25, 10 10:14 AM
I do not care what other station you choose to watch, but just know that fox is not news.
Again, the bill is not socialized health care!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Mar 25, 10 10:34 AM
And you are the authority on that. Fox is a much a news station as msnbc. I for one like cspan. I feel they do a good job of being unbiased and love when they do the phone calls and question different positions
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 25, 10 12:58 PM
ARE YOU NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If its not socialized health care than what is it.
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Mar 27, 10 12:19 AM
A poll released in February 2008, conducted by the Harvard School of Public Health and Harris Interactive, indicated that Americans are currently divided in their opinions of socialized medicine, and this split correlates strongly with their political party affiliation. Two-thirds of those polled said they understood the term "socialized medicine" very well or somewhat well. When offered descriptions of what such a system could mean, strong majorities believed that it means "the government makes ...more
By Fedupin HamptonBays (18), Hampton Bays on Mar 25, 10 10:52 AM
Two items for thought here. First, poiint out to me the section of our Constitution that permits the Fed. Gvt. to force any citizen to make specific purchases of goods or servaces. None exists.

Second if it were true that socialized meds , or anything else, were made better by socialization, the CCCP would be the World's greatest power. Instead it dissovled back into Russia, etc,..,
By Lost Tribe (66), East Hampton on Mar 25, 10 3:58 PM
Fidel Castro just applauded Obama for his new health care program. That says it all. ARGUMENT OVER
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 25, 10 6:06 PM
By the Numbers:

$1.3 trillion - Defecit savings by 2030 Democrats claim will result from health care reform,

$9 billion - Projected annual costs in 1990 when Medicare was enacted in 1965.

$67 billion - Actual cost of Medicare in 1990.

$472 million - Projected annual cost in 2008 when Massachusetts health care reform was enacted in 2006.

$628 million - Actual 2008 cost of Massachsetts health reform.

Source: weeklystandard.com

Anyone notice ...more
By Simon (16), Southampton on Mar 25, 10 6:39 PM
To all you Democrats that think this is such a great thing, I just have to ask you a question. Whould you pay for a house for 3 years before you moved in???
Well that is what we are all going to be doing for 3 years of higher taxes before this starts.
Lets not forget the VP's remark that "This is a big F****** Deal" What a CLOWN!!
and the SMILE on BARRY'S face when it was said to him.
You all better wake up because the SO-CALLED Pres. and VP are trying to RUIN THIS COUNTRY.
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Mar 25, 10 11:51 PM
Don't worry, health care is coming to save the day...

From the Washington Times:

President Obama's fiscal 2011 budget will generate nearly $10 trillion in cumulative budget deficits over the next 10 years, $1.2 trillion more than the administration projected, and raise the federal debt to 90 percent of the nation's economic output by 2020, the Congressional Budget Office reported Thursday.

In its 2011 budget, which the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) ...more
By Simon (16), Southampton on Mar 26, 10 12:52 PM
Bye the way
Nice picture of Bishop. Looks like a kid who got caught in the cookie jar
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Mar 27, 10 12:20 AM
When all of these insurance companies start to fold, how many jobs will THAT cost. It's got to be in the millions. That can't be a good thing.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Mar 27, 10 1:40 AM
Yea, Like that will ever happen!
Why do you Tea-baggers love the insurance company’s soooo much? They would just assume let you die if you neglected to initial subsection 42 on page 12 of your incredibly expensive insurance plan that you have been paying for 31 years……and yet you defend them.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Mar 27, 10 9:05 AM
This legislation is the first, and most significant, step towards government run healthcare. This WILL (if allowed to run it's course) result in the complete abandonement of private health insurance, which WILL cost alot of private sector jobs.
Secondly, SHNative, if these private insurance companies are sooooo bad, why are we being forced to purchase from them? The rules and stipulations set by the gov't will ultimately bankrupt the entire industry, at which point the gov't will enact a gov't ...more
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Mar 28, 10 12:56 AM
SH native. Have you ever heard of the NY insurance department??? I don't know anyone that LOVES insurance copanies? I think most people (tea baggers as you call them) are sick of seeing bigger Gvt take over every private industry in sight. FYI the insurance industry seems to love your messiahs bill. Big pharma and Health care stocks have been rising. Why no they are getting 32 million more clients. Most of whom will be paid for with tax payer dollars
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 27, 10 10:01 AM
Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel " pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land". Nearly 75 years ago, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land". Now Obama has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels, and mortgaged the Promised Land!

By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Mar 28, 10 7:37 AM
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Let it be known ... Tim Bishop will be re-elected because he did stand up for his constituents. Yes, he sure did ... for those denied medical coverage because of pre-existing conditions, for all the children born with serious health problems whose families were denied access to affordable care, for the seriously ill who are denied care because they reached their policy limits, for the working poor who earn above the median income ($24,000) and have NO access to health insurance nor Medicaid, for ...more
By JimmyKBond (156), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 10 1:52 PM
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wow!!!! are you from NY state or Mars
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 28, 10 8:24 PM
We should not care about older people who worked and paid there fair share of taxes. It was good of you to agree to cut medicare. We really need to help those that are too lazy to work, to cheap to to get insurance and illigals that do not pay taxes. Thank you Tim Biship. Thanks to you and others like you, they can continue to live a non productive life feeding off of society. I cannot wait to see what great things you do next.
By WHBlocal (3), WHB on Mar 28, 10 11:08 PM
Lots of people sounding the death Nell for Rep Bishops time in office. I am looking long term... To when the next presidential elections comes around and Pres. Obama is re-elected to office. For all the posturing, insults, and alarm bells that Tea baggers, Conservatives, and Republicans are doing...not one of the groups I just noted have offered a sound alternative. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Get a clue...This American wants to hear someone articulate a plan ...more
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Mar 29, 10 10:02 AM
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So Obama articulated to you that the way he plans to get us out of the economic crisis is to put us in a huge 1 trillion plus hole via healthcare. And you'll still vote for him again?.....wow, doesn't take much to get your vote.
By EEG (19), Southampton on Mar 29, 10 1:26 PM
Still waiting for someone else to say come up with something else. Wow...you are not sick of empty rhetoric yet? Less Rhetoric...more options. That's what will get my vote.
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Mar 29, 10 1:38 PM
Somehow I do not believe you when you say you don't vote party lines. The problem most "groups" is that we are forced to PAY for your solutions that never work, winding up costing more than projected, give more entitlement and lead people down a path of more dependency
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 29, 10 1:55 PM
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By Simon (16), Southampton on Mar 29, 10 1:56 PM
A simple google search will identify health plans proposed by the Republicans.

By Simon (16), Southampton on Mar 29, 10 4:48 PM
To further add, all the items you mention such as "death panels", abortion coverage, coverage for illegal alienswere in one way shape or form included or proposed at one time in the dems plan.
By Simon (16), Southampton on Mar 29, 10 5:00 PM
Fidel Castro has endorsed Obama's health plan. That says it all. I want nothing to do with anything that Castro thinks is a good idea. How embarassing.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 29, 10 10:16 AM
For all of you who support this plan, I hope you find comfort in the fact that it is also supported by Castro. This is the final proof that Obama is a socialist and so are most of you.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 29, 10 10:18 AM
Can anyone explain how this legislation will keep health insurance premiums from rising? What's the legality of forcing employers to provide specific benefits, eg. health incurance?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 29, 10 10:47 AM
12, 2009 DURING THE


WILL BE ON ????"


By Fedupin HamptonBays (18), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 10 11:41 AM
This comment, which was taken from a chain e-mail, has been reported as innapropriate, but it does not violate 27east's policies.

However, the e-mail was reported as "mostly false" by the urban legends website Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/network.asp
By BOReilly (135), 27east Web Editor on Mar 29, 10 12:46 PM
While i'm not for this healthcare for all, i think what you just wrote is false. While congress will still have their wonderful plan, i hear that Obama himself will enter the public option.
By EEG (19), Southampton on Mar 29, 10 1:46 PM
Hmmmm purchase affordable health insurance...or have no coverage at all, continue to use the emergency room as your primary care doctor...at the tax payers expense, because you can not afford to pay the cost of your $1000+ emergency room visit. Oh by the way the diagnosis is terminal cancer, your prognosis probably would have been better had it been detected sooner... Not everyone is without medical insurance because they refuse to work...its really simple when it comes down to choosing how to ...more
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Mar 29, 10 1:52 PM
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If you think this public option will be less expensive than an employer sponsored program, you are due for a rude awakening.
By EEG (19), Southampton on Mar 29, 10 3:44 PM
psstevens. This is not candyland this is real life. Please stop uttering shear nonsense
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 29, 10 3:07 PM
Could someone who supports this plan please respond to the fact that it was praised by Fidel Castro. How does it feel to stand along side Fidel. Oh, by the way, he is a COMMUNIST!!!!!!!!!
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 29, 10 8:26 PM
Castro is also a big baseball fan - better call off the season, Reality!
By VOS (1241), WHB on Mar 30, 10 12:38 AM
VOS What a rediculous comment. Obviously you can't defend Castro's support of the health care plan.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 30, 10 6:30 PM
Why does anyone think that out Medical Profrssionals will work for less as this Obamacare will require? Anyone reading here ever heard of "Brain Drain" and "Capital Flight"? Maybe you'd best look it up, then explain to everyone why this won't happen here....wait, ...it ALREADY IS! Among others Caterpiller has anounced that Obamacare will require that they lay off workers AND move some production off shore!

Doctors are setting up for 2014 closures of their practices, this idiotic "plan" ...more
By Lost Tribe (66), East Hampton on Mar 31, 10 5:00 PM
Tim Bishop failed to represent the people who put him in office, and he is full of crap when he stated the calls to his office were 50/50. The people in his district strongly told him to vote NO, but I guess he listens to Nancy Pelosi more than the people he represents. I hope Pelosi can find him a job when he loses his bid for re-election!!
By eastendguy (2), east hampton on Apr 1, 10 2:05 PM
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BYE, BYE, TIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and by the way- I'm not a republican- I'm a registered democrat- who will be voting for your opponent come November!!!!!!!!

Hope you join Pelosi and Reid on the unemployment line!!!
By eastendguy (2), east hampton on Apr 1, 10 2:14 PM
And your source is what? And we should belive you why?
By VOS (1241), WHB on Apr 2, 10 1:26 AM
This is not about government control, it's about regulation.

It's about reigning in costs, and corporate greed at the expense of the people.

This cleanup has to start somewhere, and, this is it.

Remember, the most powerful weapon on the planet isn't any gun, or bomb, it is fear which is such. Politicians have, and always will use it for leverage to meet their own ends.

My advice is to be rational, avoid the Polemics, and stick to the facts.
Apr 2, 10 2:13 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, the burning question is, whose set of facts? The Democrats, or the Republicans? Seems like they each always have their own sets...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 2, 10 2:13 PM