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Westhampton Beach man receives GOP nod for assembly; Thiele gets Democratic endorsement

" . . . stop being so fresh young man"?? I don't believe it! With respect, lady, if you can't stand the heat, get off the blog. This, by the way, is the same tuckahoetrip who responded to me under another piece with "Hahaha you be silly!" I don't think tuckahoetrip is someone the rest of us need take seriously." May 22, 10 2:00 PM

FAA to impose new regulations for helicopters

You're right zaz, Jerry said he'd leave, but no such luck. The man is still around cluttering up the media." May 24, 10 11:01 AM

Westhampton Beach man receives GOP nod for assembly; Thiele gets Democratic endorsement

Another prediction: Whether it's Demos, Cox or Altschuler running against him, Tim Bishop will win another term in the House. (This should bring a few responses.)" May 24, 10 11:12 AM

Activist makes fight for campus spiritual

I'm of two minds regarding Mr. Maniscalco's activities. One can be fully committed to preserving the environment, as I am, for what I believe are rational, practical reasons, e.g., because a clean environment improves the quality of the air we breathe, because mental and physical health are promoted by serene and unspoiled surroundings, because it enhances real estate values, because healthy vegetation offsets industry's negative effects on the atmosphere, and because it's good for business if your business is attracting visitors to the East End.

While I'm aware of, and in touch with, the spiritual reasons for cherishing our Earth, and while I'd agree that these considerations carry equal weight, I fear we don't help ourselves by emphasizing them publicly. Specifically, I believe an approach like Mr. Maniscalco's -- even though I'm sympathetic to it -- just gives ammunition to those thoughtless and unscrupulous folks on the other side who characterize environmentalists as a bunch of nut jobs.

There's an ongoing controversy about preserving the environment, just as there is about preserving Southampton College. As beneficial as it may be to step away from the controversy and contemplate the spiritual side, the fight is never far from us, and if going spiritual makes us vulnerable in that fight, then I'm not doing a lot of it.

These remarks, by the way, have only been in the context of theenvironmental aspect of the Southampton College matter. " May 25, 10 2:43 PM

Sorry, broke off there in mid-stride. Just to finish up, it seems to me that when you get away from the purely environmental side of the Southampton College matter and look at all the practical aspects -- as our local leaders and the people running SUNY must do -- Mr. Maniscalco's bit shrinks to near-insignificance, both qualitatively and quantitatively." May 25, 10 2:49 PM

FAA to impose new regulations for helicopters

North Sea, I think you'll get a good hearing if you take this case to Tim Bishop's office. Senator Schumer has been getting most of the ink on this matter (as he usually does), but the Congressman has worked on it, too. More importantly, the issue arises in Mr. Bishop's district and Mr. Bishop faces the voters -- you included -- in November. I believe he'll do everything he can to help." May 25, 10 2:59 PM

Stony Brook Southampton students file suit

Happy to correct you, Nellie. You're sliming Fred as usual. All I can find is an April 16 piece here on 27east reporting that Ken Lavalle and Fred Thiele were going to explore the possibility of a lawsuit. That's it -- no commitment to sue, just consideration.

Of course, Fred could join the students' suit at this time, or it could be that he and Ken Lavalle, having considered legal action, decided against it. In my opinion, this would be the wise choice, not wasting time and money on what may well be a lost cause.

In any event, Nellie, it looks like you're twisting things to bash Fred. Naturally, you're welcome to correct me if you can find some explicit commitment by him to sue -- I couldn't.

BTW, good luck with Richhard Blumenthal against Fred in November. I'd say that seat is pretty safe, and I guess the local Republicans feel the same way, or they would have nominated a stronger candidate than this wack job Blumenthal." May 26, 10 10:51 AM

Forum on proposed Tuckahoe shopping complex planned for June 1

Go Bonnie! The project offers nothing that I can see, to Tuckahoe or the larger community. You are right to oppose it, and I would be there at your meeting, except that there's another meeting at that time, 7:00 pm on June 1, at the Remsenburg Speonk Elementary School, on a topic even more urgent to those of us who live west of the canal -- the trailers for homeless sex offenders that the County has left to sit in Riverside and Westhampton for three long years. (You know there's too much bad stuff going on when the protest meetings conflict with each other.) Nevertheless, I'll be with you in spirit." May 31, 10 11:59 AM

New Westhampton Free Library to open June 26

People, it's a library! How bad can a library be? The universal experience, I think, is that libraries are a net benefit to the communities they serve. And this library was approved by the voters, and came in on time and under budget. What more do you want?

Yes, Nellie, the library is in a flood plain. Most of Westhampton Beach is in a flood plain, so if the library's going to serve the village, that's where it has to be. Would you move the whole village? Who's going to pay for that? You know, much of the Netherlands is in a flood plain, and they've been in business for a very long time. It can be done.

Hambone has it right -- most of you sound like a bunch of haters. Worse yet, you sound like haters who don't do anything but hate. If you don't like the library, get on the library board and change it. If you don't like Joan Levan, get on the library board and fight with Joan Levan. Do some work for a change. This mindless carping from the sidelines is sickening." May 31, 10 8:30 PM

Southampton Town officials revisit idea of charging clubs for additional police presence

It was a good idea when Anna Throne-Holst first raised it, and it's a good idea now. Be fair, yes, but bring it on." Jun 3, 10 10:51 AM

After remaining in the shadows, South Fork Land Foundation is thrust into the spotlight

I'd like to know why, despite rules to preserve the English language, 27east uses "its" in one part of the last sentence, and "it's" in the other, even though both are possessive. (No prizes for guessing which is correct.)" Jun 3, 10 11:01 PM

Southampton Post Office's au naturel lawn turns heads

This is an idea whose time has come, despite all the folks who can't get past their lifelong fealty to the ideal of a neatly mowed lawn, which is now known to be an environmentally harmful practice. Unfortunately, the Postal Service gives the movement a black eye when they neglect the minimal maintenance that even this kind of hands-off landscaping needs, and especially when this neglect occurs in a highly visible place. Come on, USPS, if you're going to be a shining example of the new way, then do it right. " Jun 3, 10 11:12 PM

Village attorney asks board to consider shutting down cement plant in Westhampton Beach

It can't happen soon enough. BIGjimbo12 ignores the fact that what he calls a "legal, operating enterprise" generates dust that pollutes the atmosphere and clogs drains. That's enough to shut it down, unless they can solve the dust problem. Not long ago in Southampton Town, amortization laws were used to close otherwise legal bar/dance clubs because of the noise and traffic problems they created. Also, gratuitous and unsupported insults to the cognizant public officials, Messrs. Houlihan and Haefeli, do nothing to defend the business." Jun 3, 10 11:23 PM

Southampton Town officials revisit idea of charging clubs for additional police presence

I'm not sure how big a part of the "local economy" these establishments are any more. As Nancy Graboski notes in the above piece, a study conducted back in the Heaney years suggested that they brought "little ancillary benefit to other local businesses," because the kids just come to the clubs from up island and then go straight back home. If anything, the benefit should be even less now, because our economy is inexorably shifting away from this youth-entertainment/rental home basis, and more into meeting the needs of upscale second home owners and retirees. For this group, taxes are a big issue, and keeping the lid on the clubs is a necessity." Jun 4, 10 10:15 AM

Village attorney asks board to consider shutting down cement plant in Westhampton Beach

I can't, and you may therefore be right, if you're suggesting it didn't happen. A search of this site reveals no such closures, though it doesn't reveal any defeated closure attempts, either. We know there were such laws -- in fact, Nancy Graboski refers to them in a June 2nd 27east piece, "Town officials revisit idea of charging clubs for additional police presence" -- but I can't produce evidence of any successful enforcement.

Of course, if the effect of the dust is severe, and especially if it can be shown that its severity has increased since the complaining residents moved in, then it may be that the business could be pursued under the general legal doctrine of nuisance, without resort to the amortization laws. " Jun 4, 10 10:32 AM

Southampton Town officials revisit idea of charging clubs for additional police presence

No, VOS, I don't think the "'study' done in the Heaney years might have come to the conclusion desired by those paying for it" as you suggest, but then I'm not in the business of launching negative insinuations unsupported by any facts, which is what your question is.

On the other hand, I suspect you're right that those various closed seasonal businesses in the Bays and EQ are related to a contraction in the beach clubs, but the "fogies" you say were appeased by this are in fact people who live here full-time or spend most weekends here, have more money to spend, do spend more of it, and are far more committed to the community than the kids who frequent the beach clubs.

If you're from Westhampton Beach, you know that this community has gone through the same transition, from kid/renter/dance clubs to family/owner/upscale restaurants over the last 20-25 years, and it's a much different, and much better, place. The business still seasonal, but it's at a higher and more profitable level. Hampton Bays and East Quogue are going through the same transformation, but they're still in the more difficult early stages. They'll get there.

Concerning the alleged promise to "give that space back to the community", maybe you could cite the specifics. Assuming it happened, while I don't know that any of the purchased space has been converted to public recreational use, I also don't know that any of it has been conveyed to private interests, either. " Jun 7, 10 12:29 PM

Village attorney asks board to consider shutting down cement plant in Westhampton Beach

Hey, VOS, I just got home from the WHB candidates' debate run by the League of Women Voters. To judge by audience sentiment and the answers of all the candidates, on both sides of the great WHB divide, the cement plant is in trouble. Regardless of all the various technical niceties that you and I and others have been discussing here, it looks bad for the plant. Getting rid of it was the only thing that both sides agreed on tonight, and if those two factions can get together on anything, even if it is, as you put it, politicians with "showy representations", it's probably going to go forward." Jun 7, 10 9:21 PM

I think they will. They're in litigation now, I understand, with the owners of the nearby asphalt plant. Granted, the process is taking forever, but if the Village started it and continues to pursue it, that suggests to me that they'll have the determination to do the same thing with the cement plant. Also, the voters are unlikely to let them forget it. One candidate last night told about a family on Hazelwood that actually can't sit outside because of the dust from the cement plant. That's the sort of thing the media will grab and run with, forcing some action." Jun 8, 10 9:37 AM

Southampton Town officials revisit idea of charging clubs for additional police presence

No thanks on the CPI. You and I disagree on whether the dance club kids or the homeowners contribute more to the local economy, so we can't come together on any conclusions. I have to say, though, you seem to be double-binding the Town on Conscience Point. First you complain about an unkept promise to give the purchased spaces back to the community, and then, when it is given back, you complain that the puiblic marina there competes with private businesses. Make up your mind." Jun 8, 10 5:33 PM

OK, VOS, understand your point. Don't agree, for reasons already stated, but understand. Thanks." Jun 9, 10 10:57 AM

Lindsay Lohan's father in talks to open club in Westhampton Beach

Hey you all, give Frank Wheeler a break. Sure, he comments on almost everything, and sure, I disagree with him almost all the time, but he puts up intelligent (if barbed) material, which is more than than many on this board can say. Retired or not, there are far less constructive things to do with your time than following community affairs and putting your thoughts into the mix.

(Mr. W., I hope you're not offended by my sticking up for you, given our history. If you are, too bad.)" Jun 11, 10 11:51 AM

Westhampton Beach candidates participate in first village debate in five years

Great job by the League of Women Voters. They made everyone check their guns at the door and ran a civil but open debate. The participants were contentious, but not in the juvenile way they've been behaving at their trustee meetings. Maybe they should have the League of Women Voters serve as monitors in Village Hall. -- they'd keep the children in order. " Jun 11, 10 9:11 PM

Developer pitches casino in Calverton industrial park

No to Gabreski. Go West. Calverton, maybe." Jun 14, 10 11:01 AM

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