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Southampton Town Board comes to compromise on committee

And now magically it's back....must of been one of those darn internet gremlins" Feb 3, 10 9:59 AM

Questions are raised over Town Board candidate's fund-raising restrictions

Publicis your assertion that a police officer must retire to avoid a risk of abuse of power is ridiculous. Active police officers have run for and held elective office all across New York State, and including right here in Suffolk County, including current county Sheriff DeMarco.
The right to do so has been affirmed (non-binding) by memoranda from the New York Attorney General's office, dating back many years.
The law that is on the books, is of dubious constitutionality, and is well intended to prevent uniformed on duty police officers from soliciting funds.
What is most striling of this article is the headline "Questions Raised" - which begs the inquiry, by who? and for what purpose beyond political mischief making." Feb 3, 10 2:27 PM

So Publicis perhaps you should get to know him before playing a role in an attempted charecter assasination.
And yes suggesting ever so innocently that Mr. Hughes might abuse some sort of power as police officer who is within in his rights to run for office and raise money so long as he is not directly involved, who has filed for retriement and has not worked in an official cpacity as a police officer since he got the nomination, is charecter assasination.
The relevent part of the article is -
"Conklin, a spokesman for the New York State Board of Elections, said that Mr. Hughes, can legally run a political campaign and raise funds, as long as he does not handle the money himself"" Feb 3, 10 3:27 PM

The article says Alfred Hobbs is Mr. Hughes campaign manager." Feb 3, 10 3:39 PM

Publicis, thereis contact information for Mr. Hobbs on the www.hughesforsouthampton.com website. Perhaps if you choose to contact him he can satisfy your curiousty as to additional (relevent?) details of his life hsitory.
Again the larget question still left unasnwered here is from the headline "Questions Raised". It has to be lesson A in Journalism 101 that you give the who, what, when and where to justify the headline early on in the article. I know this is the internet and all, but I don't believe those lessons are not applicable when it is a website run by a newspaper, unless of ocurse that is the tease to get us to fork over $1.50.
And I for one refuse to believe that the Southampton Press would run an inflamatory headline about a Republican candidate in this town just to sell a few newspapers.
Based on the content of this article an honest headlne should be "State BOE says Hughes can be candidate and raise funds"" Feb 3, 10 4:16 PM

Publicis the site is up and running as you very well saw. It is not uncommon for candidates to get a bare sight up and running and add to it as they go along. You actually think your candidate's website stakes out any significant position? Give us all a break.


" Feb 3, 10 5:50 PM

SHNative this is what the state BOE said per the article above -
"Conklin, a spokesman for the New York State Board of Elections, said that Mr. Hughes, can legally run a political campaign and raise funds, as long as he does not handle the money himself"
As a partisan we all tend to get rahter narrow minded, but surely even you can imagine that someone else would handle the mail
" Feb 3, 10 5:54 PM

And Publicis, how many letters addressed to her campaign do you think your candidate Bridget Flemming is opening. Probably not too many, when you are a candidate if you sped time doing that you are wasting time. Especially if you have a specifc reason not to do so. Anyone remotely ivolved with a campaign would know that if they were inclined to speak truthfully." Feb 3, 10 6:06 PM

Publicis, the law is clear on one pont. A police officer is allowed by law to run for office and could even serve while still remaining a police officer. I am sorry that dissapoints you so and is blow to the apparent negative campaign you and your group are trying to turn this into (I would hope your candidate is not associated with these tactics, she certainly presents a nicer picture that that sort of thing).
From a pure political perspctive you should realize you are only hurting your candidate by persisting in attempting to smear Mr. Hughes with innuendo and baseless supposiitons." Feb 3, 10 6:18 PM

Lisa you are either not reading carefully or are being willfully disingenouous in your observation that reg reps comments turned the conversation partisan. I'll assume the former and not the later.
The posters against Mr. Hughes have been trying to disparage his charecter on this issue through numerous threads on this sight since he first screened. None of them know him and none will take the slightest initiative to do so.
Take SH Native above for example. He has clearly read in this article, and it has been pointed out to him, that Mr. Hughes can not only run for office but can raise funds as well so long as he doens not personally handle the donations. Yet as a member of your candidates fan club he still persists in attemptinig to assisinate the charecter of an upstanding member of our community.
By the way Rocky, please reference the full article available on the Press pay site for the reason his effective date of retirement was held off until March 8. Another example of Mr. Hughes doing the right thing by the community.
" Feb 3, 10 9:25 PM

I take you at your word Lisa on the partisan thing. However I would point out these are many of the same posters who spent last fall slamming Nuzzi and Malone with innuendo and out right false allegations. A vice I readily acknowledge is not limited to your side of the aisle.
To your point about our local PD, does Ms. Flemming also carry the burden of any and all controversies arising from the Manahattan DA's office as well, by that logic?" Feb 4, 10 7:33 AM

Publicis if you and friends really cared about approaching this election honestly you would find out for yourself in person about Mr. Hughes. If you did, you would find that he is the personification of a police officer who aspires to be the very best at his chosen profession.
By way of example. and this is in no way a negative on your candidate, Ms. Flemming, but I would be willing to wager dollars to donuts that Mr. Hughes continueing education in his chosen profession far outweighs that of your candidate, after she became an attorney." Feb 4, 10 3:53 PM

Publicis, I am willing to stand corrected. Mr. Hughes' phone number is on his website. Give it a dial and find out for your self, whether he is a candidate worth supporting or working against, instead of challenging his integrity anonymously." Feb 4, 10 5:21 PM

Mr. Hughes has avoided all sense of impropriety. The demand that he be retired is one of convienence and not one based on fact or law, and is merely a talking point to be replaced by the next one as soon as this has run it's course. It is what his opponents have decided is a strategy.
As per the State BOE and reported here there are no restrictions on his running for office and his campaign raising funds, whether he were retired or actively serving in the department. That he officiallyfiled his retirement papers upon nomination, but delayed the official date of his retirement for honorable reasons, is not a factor. He didn't have to retire to run.
All other controversy here is feigned or imagined for purely partisan political purposes.
" Feb 4, 10 7:44 PM

Common Sense you are flat out wrong in your assertions and it is evident you have know nothing about either the law or what Mr. Hughes did or did not do. As stated in the article Mr. Hughes is perfectly free to run for office and his campaing free to raise money whether he is a retired or active police officer. The fact he is officially filed for his retirement after being nominated and did his due diligence by checking with an attorney both before and after.
Shouting at us by putting it in caps will do nothing to change the law or the facts.
" Feb 4, 10 9:49 PM

Thiele wants to gauge public interest on a proposed Peconic Bay Transportation Authority

Obvioulsy the MTA has given the East End the short shaft and in particular with htis latest move of cutting off the line from Ronkonkoma to Greeport except for 20-30 days per year.
But iif the MTA cannot break even on the service what's to make us think a PBTA would? Perhaps even at a loss (add'l tax sunsidy by us) it might be worthwile and supported by the east end becuase of the value to us?
But Terry is right, unless there is some requirement to get the process rolling, that we have a non binding referendum process, why spend the money?
Perhaps the the east end consortium of newspapers could get together, do some balanced reporting on the pros and cons, with some preliminary cost estimates, run a series on the issue, and then conduct a joint poll.
At the end of the day, the public would be better educated as to the issue and we wouldn't have to shell out for a non binding whatchmacallit." Feb 5, 10 9:42 AM

Questions are raised over Town Board candidate's fund-raising restrictions

Publicis did you really debase honorable military service to the level of surviving a car crash. Ms. Flemming's campaign is really scraping the bottom of the barrel these days, huh?
At some point when you folks realize you are in a hole on this one, take some advice....stop digging." Feb 5, 10 2:48 PM

Wingman, there a number of AG opinions on this subject supporting Mr. Conklin's interpatation. In fact I would be surprised if they were not the basis for his statement. Similarly it is my understanding that the attornies consulted on this issue also researched AG opinions.
Given the amount of police officers who have run all across our state, including our current county Sheriff and the abundence of legal opinion there is no need to yet get another AG opinion. The material facts are no different here.
The only thing here is there are some folks who are trying to make something out of this non issue for purely partisan gain. That Ms. Flemming's campaign does not condemn such attempts at charecter assasination on her behalf , speaks loudly.
But someday these folks will realize the hole that surrounds them and stop digging, perhaps." Feb 5, 10 4:03 PM

So Lisa, by your logic as illustrated in this article, Mr. Hughes now needs to go to court to resolve this non-issue that has been raised for purley partisan reasons.
Please note that the multitude of exisitng AG opinions related to this question are issued by associate attorney generals with the disclaimer that they are non-binding.
Given that you all are not satisified with those exisiting opinions and the authority of a representitve of the NYS BOE, whats to make anyone think you would be satisfied with yet another AG opinion, if one could even be obtained in a timely fashion.
Given what you all have demosntrated here you wouldn't, further illustrating what a straw man this whole charade has been.....you are in a hole, stop digging" Feb 5, 10 4:15 PM

Sure he could High Hat.....but that would sort of like you answering the question when did you stop beating your wife? It's just as irrelevant and just as unfair and misleading" Feb 5, 10 6:28 PM

WIth all due respect Publicis those are two completely seperate and unrelated questions. It also reveals your true bias. You could really give a fig less about the ficticous issue raised in this story. You just want to grind your axe about the police and teachers unions. Which if you were doing so in an intellectually honest way, I might even be inclined to empathize with the rational part of your arguement.
Thank you though for helping to prove my point about how much of this has been made up for other reasons. " Feb 5, 10 8:56 PM

The reason we post is because when you let a lie stand unchallenged, it has the potential to become percieved as truth. To Terry's point must of what you attackers post here is fcompletely contradicted by the fuller printed version on line. And I would suggest even that reporter did not get all of the details.
Again Lisa, Mr Hughes was proactive and did get an attorney to research the matter,before he was nominated. The attorney and subsequent attornies did look at existing AG opinions on this topic that all support the State BOE opinion that there is no issue here.
And yes I agree with you, except it should not even have been a blurb in the paper. But well done to the Flemming campaign for suceesfully going negative!" Feb 6, 10 8:27 AM

Common Sense or lack of as the case may be, you cannot possibly believe anyone who has read any of your posts to take you seriously on that charge. You need to get out of your own echo chamber if you have any hopes of becoming believable." Feb 6, 10 5:25 PM

Lisa, Mr. Hughes told the press he inquired to an attorney both before and accepting the nomination. When the issue was raised futher consultations were done with legal counsel. All of whom researched the multiple AG opininions on this topic. This is not new ground, All of which are conclusive that there is no issue in this case. They are most likely the same opinions upon which the State BOE based their statement on.
Bottom line, when you have sound legal advice there is no ened to go chasing yourself down a rabbit hole just because your uneducated opponent makes a baseless charge that somehow finds it way to print." Feb 6, 10 8:45 PM

Lisa, I apolgize for the uneducated opponent reference. I meant to type that in the plural in reference to the multiple posters here who clearly are not educated about either the man, Bill Hughes, the law, case history, and whom continue to make unsubstantiated accusations. However you are correct, no one could ever call Ms. Flemming with a law degree, uneducated, and I again apologize for my grammatical error that inferred otherwise.
As to where it came from, does it spark your curiousity that Ms. Flemming's political soul mate, Supervisor Throne-Holst was providing the reporter for this story sections of town code, before the reporter had spoken with Mr. Hughes. I mean Ms. Throne-Holst may be sharp as a tack, but being able to put your hand on that particular legislation and having an detailed explanation of its nuance at the ready when the press's inquiry was barley minutes old, suggests somebody had an interest in getting this ball rolling.
And tell me this, is it untrue that someone from the PBA met with someone from the campaign to discuss this issue and others that will be the next attempt at dirt?" Feb 7, 10 7:40 AM

With all due respect Common Sense A) The reporter wrote Mr. Hughes is stepping back and B) see if you can answer this honestly, if the reporter did not write that, wouldn't you and your band instead be demanding that he officially announce that he was doing so? I am glad you think you have an issue you can go negative on. By all means please keep on following it down the rabbit hole. Just don't hold your breath too long waiting for it to have some impact." Feb 7, 10 7:47 AM

SHNative, it is a non-issue in the sense there is nothing there. It is an issue in the sense that it is the first negative issue of the campaign and your campaign raised it. A distinction that is not particularly flattering for your candidate given the lack of substance." Feb 7, 10 10:22 AM

PDR, why exactly is it that anyone is obligated to repond to your questions? Terry was nice enough to not let you go with implying that Ryan Hughes was Bill Hughes' son and this is his reward?" Feb 10, 10 4:14 PM

PBR - (does that stand for Pabst Blue Ribbon?)

Terry and I are long lost brothers
Born to different fathers and mothers
Raised in an orphanage
Run by Buddist monks and werewolves
But thanks to this post and your postings
We are now reunited
Words can never express my appreciation
For your insights that made this possible

" Feb 11, 10 9:43 AM

Southampton Town Board candidates face off in final debate

fidelis and nelli - local Conservatives are fully with Hughes. Their abilty to endorse was taken away by the County Con Party which made a deal with County Indy Party to back Flemming. Yeah I know must come as some shock a candidate on the D line benfitting from deals with the up west power brokers. Nice thing about it is it will motivate local Conservatives to come out and support Hughes. As we all know they really don't like being told what to do, especially when it means endorsing a liberal democrat." Feb 25, 10 9:02 PM

Hey SHNative, no need to take my word for it. It was widely reported what went down witht the Conservative endorsement and of course you could do the intellectually honest thing and ask one of the local party members if you were willing to let the facts get inthe way of your partisan narrative. And with all due repsect, I ididn't call Ms. Flemming anything, other than to state the obvious, that she is a liberal democrat from the classic tradition. Lockstep on Obamacare and certain in the abilty of government to provide social justice." Feb 26, 10 8:06 AM

And for the record I no more consider describing someone as a liberal Democrat any more negative than describing someone as a conservative Republican. They are both honorable philosophical differences in our politcal culture and history. This race just happens to be a classic match up in that regard." Feb 26, 10 8:10 AM

Obvioulsy SHNative you only admit to reading what suits your agenda - it was an upwest deal plain and simple. Thiele joins INDY Party, and makes deal to be paid off in part by INDY Party and CON Party Chair strong arming local Republicans into nominating his pick - from Newsday -

Suffolk Conservative chair rejects S'hampton GOP pick
Monday January 18, 2010 12:43 PM By Rick Brand

Southampton Republicans may have named retiring town police lieutenant Bill Hughes as their special-election town board candidate, but Suffolk Conservative chairman Edward Walsh says he won’t go along with their pick.

Walsh says he is upset that the party passed over Rebecca Molinaro, an aide to Assemb. Fred Thiele of Sag Harbor, because Thiele abandoned the GOP for the Independence Party. Walsh said Molinaro, a single mother, should not be penalized for her boss’ actions.


" Feb 26, 10 9:55 AM

And this SHNative is from the SH Press Jan 22 edition -
Mr. Walsh said he would not endorse Mr. Hughes because he was not involved in the Republican Party’s process of selecting him as their candidate. He said GOP leaders at the town level contacted him after last week’s convention and asked him to endorse Mr. Hughes, but Mr. Walsh favored another candidate for the Republican nomination, Rebecca Molinaro, and said he felt she was unfairly penalized because she works for New York State Assemblyman Fred W. Thiele Jr., who left the Republican Party last year to join the Independence Party.

“I’m freeing the Conservatives out there to vote their conscience,” he said.


" Feb 26, 10 10:00 AM

Hard to argue against Mr. Hughes on that point. Leaders willing and able to balance the check book are a simultaneaoulsy good and rare solution for most of the problems we face at the town government level." Feb 26, 10 12:16 PM

Fidelis, my extreme gratitiude to you for revealing yours and Ms. Flemming's true feelings. Only a complete liberal would believe that the Congressman Bishop and Assemblyman Thiele could do anything to create private sector jobs here in Southampton. Government doesn't create jobs, the private sector does.
As for the hiring hall, Ms. Flemming is in a trap. Having seemingly come out in favor last fall and seeing that backfire, instead of directly answering the question, she now dances around the issue when asked, before offering the unbelievable "never try to force the concept on the electorate that didn't want it". Only a fool would suggest that a majority of the electorate wants a hiring hall.
BTW - nice try at the Flanders debate. I will say you did a better job with that line of attack than Ms. Flemming did in Southampton." Feb 26, 10 2:08 PM

Rocky it has been stated elsewhere that Mr. Hughes is 59 years old. By comparison, it has been also stated the Ms. Flemming is 49 years old." Feb 28, 10 10:53 AM

FIdelis you insult people's intelligence when you suggest you are defending Mr. Hughes. Wrapping yourself in the cloak of indignity brings you no honor when you repeat the charge three times yourself. Simliliarly it is intellectually dishonest to suggest therer has not been a satsfactory answer to your point number 1 above. It has been answered multiple times in this thread and others, as well as reported in the Southampton Press and Newsday. But this is from a guy who now admits to being partisan but earlier tried to pass himself off as undecided." Mar 1, 10 2:48 PM

Fidelis, number 1 -
Bill Hiughes did not recieve the Conservative line because the County Conservative Chairman took that power away from the local party because he was not bale to dictate to the SH GOP that they designate someone else. The local Conservative Committee was all set to go with Mr. Hughes until this occured. Terry would know, he sits on their board. This was all about a deal between the County Con chair and the County Indy Chair to reward Fred Thiele with the choice of his candidate. When he didn't get his way he took his ball went home and promptly found religion about your candidate.
Any assertions that this is not well known or exactly what happened is complete untruthfullness." Mar 1, 10 2:57 PM

FIdelis Number 2 -
Ms. Flemming's endorsement by the PBA is a reflection that her vote like that of ATH for a new contract is bought and paid for. To avoid that conflict of interest Mr. Hughes did not bother to seek those endorsements." Mar 1, 10 3:00 PM

Fidelis Number 3 -
This is an example of Ms. Flemming's campaign not having anything to go after Mr. Hughes on, so you are reaching. Perhaps thats how you feel about your own militaty back ground, but you spitting in the wind. Mr. Hughes has a long history of working in community groups acorss the town, coaching kids teams with other coaches, and working in teams in collabrative envirnmnets. He was well known in town hall for being an easy guy to work with across departments." Mar 1, 10 3:32 PM

Fidelis Number 4 -
We have already addressed why Ms. Flemming was endorsed by Mr. Thiele. Mr. Bishop's endorsement is equally meaningless, the case of one liberal Democrat endorsing another liberal Democrat. Mr. Bishop lock step supports Obamacare, Ms. Flemming rallied in favor of it last summer. In case you missed it, the federal governmnet is going broke as is the state. It's less than a 50/50 chance Mr. Bishop will even be re-elected. No chance of them raining down money." Mar 1, 10 3:37 PM

Fidelis Number 5 -
Mr. Hughes has and can trot out all the elected Republican officials endorsements as well. That is standard operating procedure as you well know. But Mr. Hughes knows the most important endorsement is the one the voters cast on election day, and that is his focus. Not the transparent back slapping your cnadidate seems to take such comfort in." Mar 1, 10 3:40 PM

See there you go Turkey Bridge, unaware you are making the case for Mr. Hughes canididacy for most of the electorate. For example, why in the world do we need a sustainabilty coordinator, let alone when the town is fiscally challenged. Wasn't the suggestion of Mr. Malone, that if these duties were in fact important that they be filled by someone already on the payroll, a better idea? Paying for an unneeded position with a federal grant is the ultimate in thinking there is such a thing as a free lunch.
The town is in the process of reconciling surplusses and deficits in its capital program. Given that the Highway Department already has capital funds tu use this year, doesn't it make sense to wait until we make sure we are out of the financial woods before taking on more debt?
The comprtoller never left and there was no interuption in her term of sevice or the fulfillment of her duties to the town, during the brief period Mr. Malone who ran and was elected in part on his broad financial experience and acumen wanted to make sure he carefully reviewed the situation. That the supervisor knoew this and instead insisted on plowing ahead only incited needless tension and something for the likes of you to blog about - another non issue.
You and Ms. Flemming are advocating adding spending at a time we should be cutting and holding the line on spending. But at least you and she are making that clear.
You'll have to do better than that if you think you are going to make a case against Mr. Hughes with the majority of the voters." Mar 2, 10 6:09 PM

Peoplefirst adding people to government payroll just because you can is how we end up with bloated government no matter the short term funding source. Thr stimulus package was supposed to help the private sector create jobs not grow government or at least that is how Obama, Pelosi and Reid sold it. No position is an island unto it self and there are always added costs of retirement benefits, admistraitve support costs, overhead, another person needing transportation around town and on and on. Creating positions should be based on a clearly identified need, not just because you can." Mar 3, 10 8:52 AM

With all due respect PeopleFIrst, you are the one who referenced the stimulus bill. You cannot honestly do so without invoking it's creators - Obama, Reid and Pelosi. Further it is Ms. Flemming and her campaign who has sought to attach herself at the hip to every Democrat politican of use, including Congressman Bishop, with whom there is no daylight between him and the other three. Thats called trying to have your cake and eat it too." Mar 3, 10 10:48 AM

Turkey Bridge, your double twist back flip of saying you are only going positive by saying you are not going to repeat your previous negative post only to do, is as convoluted as most of Ms. Flemmings answers during the debates. Most of which included some variation of hearing new voices. Last I checked you democrats didn't have any problem commandeering the microphone at town hall, the letters to the editor page of the press, or room on the blogs." Mar 3, 10 2:58 PM

Fidelis you state it has been "established that the sustainabilty coordinator will create jobs". I think that is just a fuzzy feel good "claim". But in the spirit of debate, please educate me (and presumeably others) as to how the a sustainabilty coordinator creates private sector jobs, beyond additional layers of bureacracy and other governmnet makework. Please feel free to also weigh in how this will compare to the experience in Spain which had the largest push of any western nation to create green jobs, and now has the highest unemployment rate on the European continent, as well as the highest cost to produce and consume energy not even counting taxes?" Mar 4, 10 9:15 AM

OK Fidelis. I did listen to the town board meeting minutes and discussion on the issue. As I suspected there was nothing offered specifically on how the sustainabilty coordinator would create jobs unless you accpet the proposition that money will not be spent on energy home improvement without such a person. This of course flies in the face of the fact that home improvement industry is one of the largest industries on Long Island.
I did however hear that according to one person that hiring a sustainabilty coordinator would in part give "Southampton freedom from the fear of climate change".
And another who said (reminiscent of Michelle Obama's take on America) that if we hired said person "we could create a town we on the green committee could be proud of".
And my favorite from your candidate, Ms. Flemming, "we need to do this for morale"
Not a a real word from the bunch about any real specific on how the sustainabilty coordinator would create jobs. Although alot on how the sustainabilty coordinator would wishfully sustain themselves and the sustainabilty movement in town hall. Too bad there is a real world out there beyond the walls of town hall.
" Mar 4, 10 1:38 PM

Fidelis I am only going on what was actually said, based on your assertion that it was "established" the coordinator would create jobs. That quote was the only thing remotely beyond the general unsubstantiated assertion of job creation. Far from established, it was a hollow feel good talking point.
Sorry, the idea that government can realistically make this happen is belied by the fact that less than 5% of the stimulus money set aside for this particular endeavor has been actualized, despite the enormous debt we took on to fund it.
There is no such thing as a free lunch. Do you not think, though probably expect, should the money not be avaialble next year and the same group shows up in support that a board tilted by the election of Ms. Flemming, would not roll over and justify some way to keep the sustainabilty coordinator on? Sell me a bridge why don't you?
Promises made by today's politicians for tomorrow's politicans are ones never kept. (no matter what side of the aisle)" Mar 4, 10 3:33 PM

Grant money from a stimulus bill funded by our tax dollars and those borrowed from the Chinese that by definition was meant to be temporary. And it came with the worry that left in the hands of Pelosi and Reid to design, it would be used to grow government at the local and state level by creating programs and government jobs that we would be left to pay for after the stimulus was gone. This is an almost picture perfect case in point." Mar 4, 10 5:54 PM

See Fidelis you would be wrong about that. Dollars to donuts Mr. Hughes is the only one of me, you, Terry and Ms. Flemming (and for that matter must of the sustainabilty advocates) whose house includes solar panels, and he didn't need a sustainabilty coordinator to make it happen. I think that is called putting his money where his mouth is. But I know that is just a fact that threatens to get inthe way of the opinion of others. (of course if your house is solar powered I willfully stand corrected and willing to come up with the donuts)
Hey Yearounder lighten up and cut back on the caffeine. And by the way, the Porkulous bill did not save the economy from collaspe. You must be thinking of the TARP package which prevented the financial system as we know it from collasping." Mar 4, 10 7:14 PM

I am sure you do not mean to come off sounding that uneducated yearrounder, but you said the stimulus saved the economy and by creating jobs. Pre-stimulus unemployment was at 8%, now its 10+%.
My point on the solar panels was simple, Fidelis incorrectly asserted the Mr. Hughes knew less about sustainabilty than others, yet he was a local pioneer in powering his house with solar well before it became fashionable to be green." Mar 4, 10 8:19 PM

BTW yearounder, given what actual common use defintion of teabagging is, I wouldn't continue to suggest that I am teabagging you and am a little surpised the editors are letting that inappropriate comment stand." Mar 4, 10 8:30 PM

And of course commomsense being as degreed as you are you do know that most of that growth in GDP in Q4 was a result of busineeses refilling depleted inventory which is a part of the natural cylcles of an up and down economy and almost completerly unelated to the stimulus. But again folks don't let facts get inthe way of your opinion.
We don't even need to get to how Barney "I am willing to roll the dice" Frank approach to the housing market contributed mightily to the economic meltdown or that was Bill Clinton's adminsitration and Robert Rubin who looseded the regulation and blurred the lines between financial insititutions before leaving to go nto Wall Street and enriching themselves all the while." Mar 5, 10 6:44 AM

Hey PeopleFirst -
No desperation here, just a simple counter point to your buddy Fidelis' incorrect arguement that Mr. Hughes did not know about sustainability. The fact of the matter remains (no matter how you disparage it) that Mr. Hugheswas using Solar Power for his home probably before your candidate even lived here.
And whose to say, that he is not in favor of tax incentives for others? That is just pure negative campagining on your part without any basis in fact." Mar 5, 10 10:25 AM

Like I said to peoplefirst, Fidelis, what possible basis do you have to draw the conclusion that Mr. Hughes would not want to help others go solar....none as usual! You are the one who challenged his bona fides on sustainabilty and I d merely pointed out that it doesn't take a whole lot of common sense to know that someone with foresight to go solar way before it was popular, knows more abut sustainabilty than you were willing to give him credit for as usual. This is one you ought to fess up to and move on." Mar 5, 10 11:44 AM

Yes it is getting old FIdelis unless you also note that the Southampton Press noted of Ms. Flemming that she did not make a compelling case for election, and drew dissapointing blanks on various important issues.
That must be very dissapointing for a second time around candidate who was hand picked by the Democrat establishment led by Congressman Bishop" Mar 5, 10 11:48 AM

Southampton Town Board tables hiring of sustainability coordinator

Listen to public portion of this meeting when the good folks were pontificating about the urgent need to add this postion to town hall, the advocate pictured above actually suggested that by making this hire, we would "have freedom from the fear of global warming". To be sure, it is even point three on her poster about "what we all want" pictured above. Eerily similar to President Obama's claim that his coronation as democrat chosen one marked the day the ocean's would stop rising." Mar 5, 10 12:45 PM

Southampton Town Board candidates face off in final debate

And the Independent said of Ms. Flemming - "she tends to speak in platitiudes that sound good but are sometimes just wrong"....again not to confuse anyones opinion with a fact but......" Mar 5, 10 9:56 PM

SHNative, while I do not agree with regreps math yours is far worse and based on your previous posts, I believe intentionally so. CommonSense the degreed eceonomist would tell you, if she was willing to be an honest poster, that you cannot divide the number of registered Republicans by the total population to come up with a percentage like you have, because the total population is not registered. But again, let me not confuse a fact with your opinions." Mar 5, 10 10:05 PM

Southampton Town Board candidates fund-raised nearly the same amounts

Standard voting hours 6AM to 9 PM" Mar 8, 10 9:05 PM

Special election today for Southampton Town Board seat

Wow! That certainly relieves the mystery! All along anyone reading the 2tEast posts were certain you two were undecided.
Are the seats in the Democrat echo chamber as they are in over on the Republican side :) ?" Mar 9, 10 1:41 PM

that joke was supposed to say "as comfortable".....have a nice day - " Mar 9, 10 1:42 PM

Whiile I would agree that all my R friends heed your adviice HH (wink,wink).....what makes you think this special election will have any significantly different (lower) turnout than other special elections?" Mar 9, 10 2:30 PM

Two points there HighHat -
Their respective intent is clear, Ms. Flemming will drive the board left while ceding our Dongan Patent rights to the DEC and the state -
Mr. Hughes will drive the board toward fiscal conservatism while standing up for our Dongan Patent rights.
Second point is you have banged your drum that neither of these candidates warrant a vote, so don't cry in your milk now urging people to avoid low turnout.

" Mar 9, 10 4:33 PM

Bridget Fleming wins vacant Southampton Town Board seat

Congratulations to Ms. Fleming and her campaign.
Despite very clear politcal philosohpical differences, both candidates and their volunteers deserve lot of credit for working extermely hard and with much passion, which produced a fairly high turnout for a special election. In that sense democracy was a winner.
That said when the final analysis is done, I suspect it will reveal that the unaffiliated voters (blanks and those who thought they truly registered as independent of any perty) were the one who defined the outcome.
Again congratulations to Ms. Fleming and her team." Mar 10, 10 7:37 AM

So reg rep you agree with westendoftown, that after Fred Thiele left the Republican Party for the Independence Party it should have turned around and annointed his hand picked candidate?
Personally I thought Ms. Molinaro was a strong but unknown candidate who had a bright future with the Republican Party, if she had been willing (and she still maybe for all I know) and capable of doing the groundwork of getting to know the committee members as opposed to being thrust upon them.
But I think both the heavy handed tactics of trying to force her canidacy upon the party and the petulant conduct of her benefactor in the aftermath has left her a pretty steep uphill road, if that remained her intention.
Your commentary on Mrs. Seaman is a head scratcher to me. Sounds like you have a personal ax to grind as opposed to an informed opinion." Mar 10, 10 7:50 PM

Conservatives left the line blank because the county chair pulled the designating power from the local Conservative as the local Republicans did not fall into line and back Ms. Molinaro. I think many were not convinced that Ms. Molinaro would be a Republican if she got elected, given that she was not widely known by the committee and her bona fides were working for Thiele. Especially when there were other good choices, What's the point of backing someone if you don't know if they will be on your team after you get them elected? " Mar 10, 10 9:58 PM

There are approx 35,000 registered voters in Southampton, how many of them are motor-voter registrants is not known, but one would suspect their interest in voting is minimal. That said just north of 15% turned out for this special election, whihc is higher than would be anticpated for an off season special election. Congrats are due to both campaigns for doing a good job of turning out more voters than usual. IN Southampton normal local elections will result in between 30-40% turnout depneding on the interest of the race. Presdential elections can go as hihg as 60% (see 1992 and 2008) in Southampton." Mar 12, 10 9:12 AM

No. This was unique becasue prior to this a vacancy would be filled by a vote of the board and a special election would be held the following November, during the general election, for whatever cycle it might be (state, presecdential etc).
So the 15% plus is charecterized as high compared with the rule of thumb for this type of election elsewhere which is 10%. You might look back to Assemblyman Fred Thiele's first election to the NYS Assembly which was also an off season special election and draw some comparison there as part of the district encompasses Southampton should you choose to reject my assertion of the 10% rule of thumb." Mar 12, 10 2:49 PM

Frank, my understanding is yes it would have been classified as a special election for the position, I am not aware that there is such thing technically as an "interim election" though I get your point." Mar 13, 10 1:32 PM

Highway Superintendant already has $3.5+ million dollars to fix roads this year. How about filling the first pot hole of the season before borrowing even more. In one breath the Town Supervisor says town emplyees are so over worked to capcaity they cannot possibly take on the load of the sustainabilty efforts while the Highway Superintendant says his department is stretched to the max and having trouble having enough people to keep the equipment running, and in the next breath we should be borrowing even more so we can do more projects. Somethng doesn't add up with that." Mar 14, 10 11:32 AM

President signs historic health care legislation into law with Bishop's support

The bill was drafted and passed on strictly a partisan basis. The only thing bi-partisan was the opposition. It inherently fails to do anything to reduce the costs of health care in this country. In fact as a direct result they will rise even faster, along with the cost of insurance and our taxes. There was nothing honorable about the way this was done. Those thumping their chests are beating the drums of the funeral march of our country heading ever closer to financial failure. " Mar 23, 10 9:12 PM

Southampton Town considers how to solve problems on Roses Grove Road

The article also seems to have co-mingled council members - "and Councilwoman Bridget Malone that some rethinking of the complete embargo on hiring may be necessary to fill important roles. “We have to keep our eyes on the bottom line, but we also have to keep our eyes on the services we provide,” Ms. Malone said. "" Jul 8, 10 12:56 PM

Southampton Town lawmakers walk out of discussion on MTA lawsuit

Two things are clear, Ms. Holst had to know before the meeting of concerns expressed by the board, and their request to discuss as is customary a legal issue in executive session. Second, if her claim for transparency was legitimate she could have honored her colleagues concenrs, and subsequently made publis what she wanted without the drama.
One thing is unclear, at least to me. How is it legal for the supervisor, to not allow a properly made and seconded motion to be voted on?" Jul 26, 10 2:38 PM

Does Throne-Holst have support for a Planned Development District moratorium?

Why is it on yet another serious issue Madam Supervisor "surprises" her fellow board mates and subsequently does not have consensus. It reflects a continous lack of genuine leadership - the kind you don't get in headlines and glam shots - and the seriousness these issues demand no matter which side you are on" Oct 8, 10 12:33 PM

Town Measure Seeks Simpler Financial Reporting

Which completely ignores the fact that the real problem is that apparently Councilman Nuzzi has been making simple requests for this information for a year and neither Comptroller Wright nor her patron, Supervisor Throne Holst, has seen fit to honor his legitmate request. Whatever reason the minority and the comptroller have for stonewalling is best knownst to them, but it should be no mystery as to why the majority was obligated to act....despite the partisan posturing from the peanut gallery :) " Jan 14, 11 3:25 PM

Republicans shouldn't like a comptroller who is apparently stonewalling a legitimate request for information. Democrats and Independents shouldn't either." Jan 16, 11 11:05 AM

Turkey Bridge you are not a truth speaker but a partisan poster. The Press reports in the full printed article the comptroller admitting that Councilman Nuzzi has indeed been requesting this information for some time. The notion that it would require an additional $75k per year positon is similarly debunked in the Independent's reporting of the story. " Jan 16, 11 1:42 PM

See there you go Turkey....you generally seem intellignet until you start quoting someelse's talking points without doing your own research.....suggesting that Mr. Bernard is part of the problem as oppsed tot he solution is either willful igonorance.....or you know a flat out lie.....let us know which" Jan 16, 11 5:48 PM

Now. now Turkey. Mr. Bernard is well rearded and by most accounts doing a fine job helping clean up the mess in Easthampton. The reporter in seeking his input was merely practicing what is generally known as "due diligence" in reporting on the ridiculous assertion by the comptroller that fulfilling Councilman Nuzzi's simple and straight forward request would require an additional $75,000 staff position. Your rejection is transparent and without merit." Jan 17, 11 10:06 AM

Did you miss the point that they actually have the majority now?" Jan 17, 11 1:55 PM

Southampton Town Board, Comptroller Discuss Ways To Improve Operations, Communication

It's too bad that it took a force of resolution by the majority to get the supervisor's hand picked comptroller to deliver the information they have been entitled to and asking for over a year. It's good that once that was behind them that the everyone is being civil and professional in moving forward, despite Turkey's attempt to manufacture otherwise and malign other's with baseless, unproven allegations of "guilt", which had nothing to do with the issue at hand." Jan 21, 11 1:06 PM

Turkey abbreviatedly clucks - "Are you saying that it's a fair to have the Comptroller's office lose two positions to the Business Management Department and get back only one temporary position?"
I'd actually say it's fair to the taxpayer if they can get the job done with some temporary help, as oppsed to the $75,000 position Supervisor Throne-Holst's hand picked comptroller tried to foist upon the public and you apparently still believe she needs despite pure and convincing evidence to the contrary" Jan 23, 11 9:38 AM

Actually Turkey the evidience I was reffering to was the reporting in the story that revealed when coooler heads prevailed that there would be no problem now finally providing the information Councilman Nuzzi requested and with some temporary help the comptroller could get through what sounded like fluctuating workload in her department.
Sorry that disappoints your story line and those like you who are seeking an enflamed environmnet for partisan purposes." Jan 24, 11 6:58 AM

It is you are confusing things, Turkey. The Press report specifically states the temporary assistance is related to fluctuations in the Comptroller's office -
"to alleviate some of the intense workload in her department early in the year". It had nothing to do with Councilman Nuzzi's long standing and reasonable request, which can be handled relatively easily. Apprently all but you and Supervisor Throne Holst have moved on from bloating town hall with another $75k per year positon." Jan 25, 11 10:40 AM

Around Town Hall

Well there's Turkey's version and then what is reported - "A harmonious Southampton Town Board saw eye-to-eye on how to revise the job responsibilities of the position of town management services administrator", and by the way Turkey, did not the "gang of three" actually reduce spending in the Supervisor's budget or do you have an alternative reality version of that as well?" Jan 31, 11 7:28 PM

Southampton GOP Screens Candidates For 2011 Campaign

The only way you honestly cut taxes is by cutting spending. The Democratic Supervisor Throne Holst proposed a budget that would increase spending to $81 million and the in the budget process looked to push that to almost $85 million. The Republicans cut that back to $79 million. When voters get done sifting through the alternative realities and partisan posturing of Turkey, Fidelis, and the like, it is probably where they will stop." Feb 5, 11 10:46 AM

Around Town Hall

So Turkey are you insisting this did not happen....."A harmonious Southampton Town Board saw eye-to-eye on how to revise the job responsibilities of the position of town management services administrator" ? Did the reporter just make this up?" Feb 6, 11 2:47 PM

Attorney Asks For $70 Million Judgment Against Southampton Town

The Town Supervisor is responsible for managing the Town Attorney. It is why while it is not officially his or her final decision on who to hire, they typically have been given deference by the Town Board on his or her choice.
Turkey you just shred your last bit of credibilty with your call today for the end to the perpetual campaign, given how relentlessly you and your gang have waged it on behalf of your party and Supervisor." Feb 9, 11 5:11 PM

My opinion of your lack of credibilty is not a partisan thing, it is a hypocracy thing. You can't be part and parcel of the continual campaign flailing away at the Republicans on the board, and then bemoan it's existence when it's your ox being goared. Supervisor Throne Holst has repeatedly stepped in it as of late, probably assuming she had immunity so long as you and the others would be there at the podium to drown out any legitmate criticism." Feb 14, 11 1:48 PM

Typically Turkey I am pointing you back to what reported in the press. If you deem that alternate reality, so be it. And last I checked you all were complaining that the Republicans on the board were not saying anything, so how you leap to them flailing away is beyond me. Hard to see how my suggesting the supervisor has stepped in it as of late by being caught at least twice in the last few weeks "Clintoning" the truth, is alternative of what has actually happened, but hey, believe what you want to believe." Feb 15, 11 1:52 PM

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