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Tuckahoe superintendent resigns amid furor

May I address some of the comments by dfgmom. I've seen pretty bad behavior on this page about equally from both sides, though I'm sure each side would see it differently. It's like politics. I haven't seen any strong factual evidence to justify her staying or leaving presented by either side. Ms. Rozzi's prior review was not foiled, she volunteered it two years ago, so far I haven't heard that the current review was volunteered by Ms. Rozzi. Personnel issues absolutely can not be discussed by board members, only in executive session, and this info is not allowed to be discussed publicly. This is common knowledge, search school board law, you will find this to be the case. We can support Linda Rozzi all we want, but remember that she wasn't fired, she quit. She has a couple of years left on her contract and can't be fired without cause." Jul 30, 09 10:59 PM

Quit and resign are the same thing, same final result, look them up. And to thetruthhurts, the issues (math, discipline), well they have been brought up time and time again. I think we would all like to see this school run like a well oiled machine. And as far as your "war" we heard the same kind of crap about cleaning house over two years ago, two elections later and not one single person (including yourself) has stepped up to the plate. If you had, things may be different today, so quit blasting everyone else and look to yourself and your own inaction as part of the problem. " Jul 31, 09 8:37 AM

fcmcmann, your poor arguments throughout this comment board are really counter productive to your cause, you really ought to stop posting. You are in no position to talk about logic. Comparing a completely unopposed school board election in a small town (where few come out and anyone can win) to a presidential election is laughable. You actually hurt your cause with this type of ridiculous argument. I don't think that Rozzi supporters realize that by keeping this argument alive they are actually hurting her future job prospects. Some people are more interested in debating the constant sermons, preaching and "holier than thou" attitute of Dave Dag and fcmcmann than they are with administration change at Tuckahoe. You both are really good at bringing out the argument in people. When Ms. Rozzi applies for a position in another district, believe me, they will google her, this is common practice. Because of you guys, their google search will reveal not only the Tuckahoe website and all the good things she has done, but also all the anti-Tuckahoe sentiment that is encouraged ONLY by your posts. This very well may hurt Ms. Rozzi's future job prospects. Schools want a superintendent that is uniting, not dividing. It appears to be that the more you guys post the more people come out against you. As far as David's new blog (mostly a repeat what's already been said again and again and again and again and again), I'm sure it will be nothing more than a one sided "cheer" team. Opposing views are not allowed, only "like minded" views need apply." Jul 31, 09 9:00 PM

Another intelligent comment.
You're right! I couldn't resist.
" Jul 31, 09 11:08 PM

I know it sounds crazy, but there is a logic behind it. Sometimes it's best to leave it alone, especially when the press article was positive toward her and we don't have access to all the information because of privacy issues. I can tell by re-reading where it got nasty and went downhill, and there are strong supporters on both sides. If you want to support Mrs. Rozzi, go to board meetings (regularly, not just when the s - - - hits the fan), write letters to the board, etc. Tell them why you think she is of value to the school. Mrs. Rozzi has nothing to gain by an online, partially anonymous, sometimes nasty argument by the community she served, judging the value of her career. That's all I'm saying. If you have the type of relationship with Mrs. Rozzi, call and ask her if she would like you to continue this type of argument. I know her and like her and I'd be suprised if she said yes. " Aug 2, 09 10:37 PM

They weren't rebuttals, they were corrections. There were no personal or other attacks on Mrs. Rozzi on my part. A good debate needs to be accurate and truthful and there's been quite a bit of shooting from the hip. There were also personal attacks on the school board, I guess you think that's ok (I know, it's personal). I post something that I know to be school board law, and because it doesn't fit his argument, I get from thetruthhurts: "your years of the pto and your little group running the school is officially declared over. time to roll up the sleeves, clean house and get that school operating like a well run machine. by capable, mature, intelligent adults. don't let the door hit you and your clique's arses as you exit the warroom". You talk about the "type of person who supports Grindle and Riccardi and that they should be ashamed" Is nobody else entitled to an opinion that is different than yours? On July 29 Hamptonite has a pretty nasty comment. Avatar says school boards are worse than idiots? Is that acceptable? Why do these statements not fit inot your category of "immature, personal attacks"? Or are these statements ok because they fit into your argument? I'm done, I see why people don't argue with you guys." Aug 3, 09 10:11 PM

Turmoil continues in Tuckahoe; commissioner will decide fate of school board

To East End Girl: I don't know where you get your information from. There is no plan to consolidate math teachers, you are naive to think that the animosity is not about the former superintendent, and the vote is not about considering a vote for change, but forcing change. The petitioners are not asking for a vote to be taken in May, they are asking for a vote to be scheduled in 10 days, and to be held within 30 days, without ANY meetings, information or "chance to consider", no absentee ballots for those that cannot be there (or the disabled) on the day of the vote...nothing. Then there is the petitioners anonymous website, with NO contact information, NO author, NO contact information, nothing(other than statements that they are really great people by their own opinion), omission of many, many facts, including the fact that we will no longer be called Tuckahoe; no option to ask question, no real homework done, only the information that was handed to them by one of the current board members and accepted at face value. I don't disagree with researching the possibility of becoming a union free school district, but this is a seedy way to go about it. Thank you Mr. Luss for being a voice of reason and understanding that this is not the time for yet more major change in Tuckahoe. Let the board do their job. They have proven competence in hiring, proven by their selection of their exceptional interim (wish he could stay), nobody could argue with that. In just three months there is a vote coming up, make change happen the right way, vote for the board member you want there and let them do their job. There are no loopholes." Feb 14, 10 10:46 PM

I was at the meeting. Although the board didn't have it on the agenda, there was plenty of discussion and debate on the subject. The issue was that there were lots of questions but very few answers, which lead to an unproductive debate. The original website that the petitioners created stated that a vote was scheduled for March 1st at 7pm, just two weeks from now, with vague information and no specifics. It was their obvious intention to push this through quickly, since they left no time for discussion, fact finding, consideration or open informed debate. The board was correct not to set a date, we just aren't at that point yet. Considering the absence of so many answers, setting a date at this point is kind of silly, don't you think? " Feb 15, 10 4:02 PM

tuckahoetrip is wife of Grisnik." Feb 16, 10 7:30 PM

The no homework statement was not baseless, I know that no homework was done because nobody in the entire packed room had answers to many of the questions regarding the particulars and technical aspects of a change. Your original website asked people to come out on March 1st at 7pm. The “subject to change” was added at a later date (yes, I saved a copy), after it was apparent that the board wasn’t going to jump when you said jump. The board did not vote to not allow a vote, they voted to ignore the petition in order to force the Commissioner of Education to step in. I did more than a “bit of research” , I made many phone calls, read entire chapters of education law and I'm very familiar with election law. I am well aware that the rules were made by the state, IN 1913! Almost 100 years ago! You must know that the timeframe you were giving the board, based upon this outdated 1913 law, was not long enough to do the research necessary to provide the community with current, comprehensive information needed to make a decision. Current board of election law also calls for petitions for election of board members, advertising, mailing, absentee ballots, etc., none of which is included in this 1913 law. I read the law, did you??. If you did you would know that common sense does not prevail. It may have made sense 100 years ago. There is no rush, let the commissioner come in, you can’t possibly be opposed to that also, could you?? Well yes, I guess you could be opposed, since getting this done quickly suits your agenda to get this pushed through fast as lightning so you can overturn a previous board decision. Oh, and changes in name being “hooey” are you kidding? There already is a Tuckahoe USFD in New York. But wait, didn’t Mr. Grisnik say something about being called Tuckahoe 13 USFD (which the state will probably say is too similar in to the other Tuckahoe USFD). And to tuckahoetrip, you are way off about my being wife of grimag…why you would think that I don’t know, I haven’t come to his defense once. He thinks it shouldn’t happen, I am actually in favor a UFSD. It just needs to be voted on in an educated, informed manner and in accordance with current voting standards and board of election law. So get off your soapbox Lablover with your preaching of duty and democracy and let us all know when your research into how it affects taxes, transfer of construction bonds and the name of our school offers us concrete answers that don't include the word "hooey". And as far as those who wonder why Grimaldi still is heavily involved in the school since his kids already graduated? Shouldn’t you be asking that question of Mr. Grisnik?
" Feb 16, 10 7:53 PM

What factfindr is saying is not baseless. Parents of an entire grade were called in to school for a meeting one by one, with the math teacher and former superintendent to explain to them that this is exactly what occurred. The school offered to remedy the situation by giving a repeat of the regents algebra course over the summer at Tuckahoe to those that wanted to attend, or recommended that they repeat the course in their freshman year of high school, cutting back on the possibility of their being eligible for AP math courses down the line. The same cirriculum was used the year prior and left many kids struggling, at which point this was bought to the school's attention but repeated the following year regardless. Nobody is blaming the teacher, this was not his choice or recommendation, as he explained to a room full of parents. The availablility of this regents algebra course in 8th grade is law. I'm sorry setyoufree, but you really don't know the facts. This is not about parents of poorly performing students looking for blame and your insults to the parents that had to deal with this is not helpful. " Feb 18, 10 11:24 AM

This is about my kids. The referendum is about my kids. Everything that happens in school is about my kids. Their present, past and future. If you guys would stop telling everyone that what they write is baseless or a lie or that this is because they don't pay attention to their kids this argument would have ended long ago. Stop telling everyone that you know better, because everyones opinions are based upon their experiences and perceptions, not yours. You have no idea how instrumental you both have been in keeping this argument alive. " Feb 18, 10 6:08 PM

It was only the second year that this happened that it was caught before the Tuckahoe kids got into high school so they were the only beneficiaries of a summer program. They learned from the experiences of many kids from the class before who were struggling. I completely agree with you on all points. " Feb 19, 10 6:39 PM

To setyou free:
"They" who tell you this are very misinformed. I am not a former trustee, I truly hold no grudge, I have not an ounce of anger, and I do enjoy the debate. Mean-spirited seems to describe YOUR last post to a tee and you can't deny that it appears that it is YOU who is holds the grudge. There is so much anger in most of your posts, and if you can't post anything productive...well... I am entitled to my opinion, as are you, but at least I present some facts to back up what I write. You really should let go of your anger and lighten up! " Feb 20, 10 6:35 PM

Southampton Town Board candidates face off in final debate

Don't mind fcmcmann, it's common for her to throw insults when she doesn't agree with you but has nothing meaningful to add to a conversation." Mar 1, 10 9:09 PM

So DJ113, Terry and I are all stalkers? Thank you for proving my point. " Mar 2, 10 2:08 PM

Math program at heart of turmoil in Tuckahoe

I don't see where anyone on this comment board disagrees about the 5 person board, I don't know why you guys keep harping on that. We just need to put in two more people, not to throw out the entire board as you guys wanted to do. Approaching the expanded board that way may possibly have given you a different reaction. As far as who to vote for, I think we need to wait until we know what the candidates stand for. As far as academics at Tuckahoe, our test scores have dropped steadily in recent years with far fewer students scoring at the top than in the past. Don't blame the immigrants, the non immigrants are doing worse. It is also my understanding that the building purchase was Grisnik's baby. The article we are posting under is mainly about the math problem and past administrators, tuckahoetrip, therefore it's perfectly right that the comments are leading that way, it has nothing to do with being simpletons. Boy, the poster who talked about the rose colored glasses was right on the money!" Apr 6, 10 7:14 PM

fcmcmann, the numbers are posted on the nysed website each year, I'm not sure how many years back they keep online, but I've been following it for more than a dozen years and my statement is a valid one. It's hysterical that you of all people ask for backup since most of what you write here, along with your 150+ comments on various other subjects are little more than insults, lots of name calling and your own personal opinion with little evidence provided for most of what you write. Sharon wouldn't be foolish and write on these boards, so sorry to tell you, but you are wrong on that one also." Apr 7, 10 8:45 PM

Westhampton Beach man receives GOP nod for assembly; Thiele gets Democratic endorsement

I don't need to read Newsweek to know how illegal immigration has affected our town. There was a time when illegal immigration, in much smaller numbers than presently exist, was an essential part of our local economy. The numbers have grown large and fast in our community to the point that they are indeed taking jobs from locals. Their increased numbers are causing our schools to burst at their seams, and taking now very limited resources and programs from our children so that we can provide mandated ESL services without huge tax increases. Our once beautiful streets are now lined with hundreds of men hanging out, sometimes all day, waiting for work. Standing behind a non english speaking mother in the supermarket using today's version of food stamps is no day in the park either, especially when they can't read the food stamp that tells them exactly what brand/size they are allowed to purchase with the taxpayer funded assistance they have received. I am honestly sympathetic to their situation, I believe all children have the right to an education and nobody should be denied food or health care when in need, but to say the very large numbers of illegal immigrants are, in our current day, in OUR TOWN, an asset to our community, "intellectual hooey" aside, I don't think so." May 24, 10 8:26 PM

Surprisingly it's still in circulation. It's funny that Lablover relies on Newsweek as her source for "proven statistics" and reliable information (probably right behind Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow), they're all about as reliable sources as Beck and Limbaugh! Really, you can search the internet for any viewpoint you want and you will find it. There are conflicting studies on every topic under the sun, all by reliable sources:, all available online. I will rely on my own experience and what I see and live rather than some liberal or conservative talking points or single sided studies." May 24, 10 10:08 PM

Congressional candidate Cox joins anti-abortion activists in protest at Bishop's office

Tea baggers, tea baggers, tea baggers, OMG...talk about obsessed!! I think you need to find something else to do all day peoplefirst, a job perhaps?" Aug 31, 10 10:26 PM

Altschuler will face Bishop in November

But then why, peoplefirst, do you (oh so strongly) support the hiring of illegal immigrants yet you criticize outsourcing jobs, while at the same time claim in your own words that they are exactly the same, there is no difference? You can't have it both ways just because it suits your argument. The claim that the immigrants don't take jobs away from citizens that want them is totally false and you know it. For the record, I don't support outsourcing jobs either. Both practices are tools used by employers of all sizes to increase profits." Sep 15, 10 10:29 PM

Don't forget the role the dems had in all this. It is also a FACT that Bill Clinton's push to increase home ownership for those who would not normally qualify for a mortgage, or had no money saved for a down payment, was the beginning of the end. While it was a noble ideal, it was idealistic and naieve. Lenders were encouraged to give loans to those who barely could afford the payments. Lenders took advantage of these people, beginning a policy of "creative financing" in order to qualify these people, which ultimately led sometimes unsuspecting borrowers into financial ruin. Fannie Mae was now backing high risk loans with little or no down payment, so when the housing bubble burst and the economy tanked, they were left with homes that were worth far less than what they had invested in them. Were the lenders ruthless? Absolutely. But ultimately we all need to earn our keep and not look toward the government for our every need, and we must live within our individual means.
Thank goodness Clinton's idea idea to allow people tap their pensions for down payments penalty free did not pass.
" Sep 17, 10 9:23 PM

Town Will Go To Court, If Necessary, To Stop Homeless Shelter At Hampton Bays Motel

A sure way to help these families would be to place them in an area that offers an opportunity to be productive and to thrive. There are few jobs nearby. There is extremely limited public transportation and our taxis cost a fortune. Hampton Bays is a dead end for these families. The goal of economic self sufficiency will never be reached here in the Hamptons. We are simply warehousing these families by whomever will take them. While I understand that in many cases hard times got these families to this place, the county is doing them no favors by placing them out here." Dec 17, 11 10:20 PM

Sidewalk Proposal Causes Stir In Tuckahoe

Anyone who has dropped their kids off on that side of the street in the snow knows very well that it's a nightmare and an accident waiting to happen. The norm would have been to put in the sidewalk only after a tragedy occurred. Thank you Mr. Gregor for being pro-active and not reactive. Perhaps a deal can be reached with the district to handle the snow removal on that small stretch of sidewalk.
" Dec 19, 11 9:20 PM

Town Will Go To Court, If Necessary, To Stop Homeless Shelter At Hampton Bays Motel

OK Allergic...call it what you want, but it's not in my backyard, not even in my neighborhood. so please don't question my motivation. Even if residents of that hotel were willing to work for less, how would they get there? I drive to work, as do most others on the east end. Many of the residents of this type of housing can't afford a car, insurance and high fuel costs and our public transportation system isn't the answer (do buses even go by that hotel?). There are no affordable or public day care systems to care for the children while the parent work either.
I agree with you regarding manufacturing. It's a complicated problem that desperately needs to be addressed. The high cost of labor, pensions, health insurance, etc. will prevent improvement any time soon." Dec 19, 11 9:39 PM

Springs School Will Cut Teacher Positions To Stay Under Tax Cap

While I respect our teachers tremendously, the pay increases and step increases are not realistic in this economy. Yes, we do get the opportunity to vote on the budgets, but we don't get the opportunity to vote on teacher contracts. As a result, we go to a budget vote with the full knowledge that if we don't vote yes, it's the kids that lose programs and the kids who have to deal with larger class sizes and other cuts while teacher salaries, increases and steps, health insurance, and pensions all remain intact, as we are told time and time again that a no vote only hurts kids and we can't change anything contractual. That leaves us no choice but to approve budgets. The real change needs to happen when teacher contracts are renewed. The only way prevent school boards from bowing to pressure from teacher unions is the tax cap. It will be difficult for a little while, but at least now it will be impossible for a school board to renew a contract that has increases that outpace the rest of the country. " Apr 15, 12 12:30 AM

Two Vie For One School Board Seat In Tuckahoe

In the article, Mr. Steudte mentions the tuition that needs to be paid for the additional 27 students that will go to Westhampton Beach or Southampton High School and states that "These 27 will pierce the 2 percent tax cap immediately". It should be noted that high school tuition for these kids and all others currently in high school is already included in next years' budget, without piercing the tax cap. The May 15th budget vote does not and will not pierce the cap if it's approved." May 9, 12 9:23 AM

Tuckahoe And Southampton Identify Key Questions For Merger Study, Seek Volunteers For Panel

You guys can throw around nastiness and blame all you want but the reality is that small school districts are not efficient to run. We live in a neighborhood where colleges and world class golf courses get huge tax breaks, where there is little else in the way of a business district, where there was a sudden wave of new immigrants to educate and where there is a community that doesn't want to pay another penny, with some of them lobbying strongly against any tax increase in recent years (and spreading misleading information). Regardless of which high school we choose, the tuition cost is tremendous. The tax cap put the finishing touch on what is now the perfect storm. We aren't a lavish district, we have very little in the way of extra curricular activies, our programs are pretty basic, and our teachers aren't paid more than at neighboring schools. The 8th grade students did receive a letter home about high school choice changing. Parents were invited to plenty of board meetings to discuss the subject of consolidation, yet most of the meetings were practically empty." Jan 11, 13 7:39 PM

I remember a time that the school board tried to reign in teachers contracts. The board got so much crap from so many people! The teachers wore black shirts to school every day in protest. Obbservant, I don't disagree with you, the increase around 2002 could have possibly been from the addition. School population went up drastically right after that. Other than teachers salaries you don't mention what the out of control expenses actually were. But you can't deny the fact that what was acceptable in 2002 is no longer acceptable in this economy and Tuckahoe's problems today are more about a community that doesn't want to spend another dime (and I am not criticizing that), the makeup of our community (golf courses, immigrants), and tough economic times. Had the teacher contracts gone to arbitration, they would have been kept in line with neighboring districts, which is exactly where they are now. The teachers salary/benefit issue is island wide, not just in Tuckahoe. You can't change the past. " Jan 12, 13 9:53 PM

There is no doubt you care about the future of the school and high school choice David. When I say few people came to the meeting, aside from one particularly busy meeting, you can attest to the fact that most were not well attended. I've spoken to a few parents who are upset about the possible merger who haven't come to a meeting all year. There needs to be more of a show of support by the Tuckahoe community to change this boards mind." Jan 12, 13 9:58 PM

Obbservant, you would then need to shift blame to those that are hired to handle these things, namely the past superintendents and finance staff. The board relies upon their advice and knowledge when making these decisions, as they never claimed to be experts in the area of finance as you are. As far as getting out of the kitchen to make way for people who could get the job done, wow, if you knew anything at all about tuckahoe school you would know that there weren't many willing to do the job. Did you throw your hat in the ring? While I'm sure there are other underlying issues that helped get the school where it is today, ultimately I still believe we're more a victim of circumstance (size, demographics, etc) than anything else." Jan 14, 13 10:13 PM

Hazel , I don't agree that it's a fair analogy to compare running for president with running for a board seat on a small school board where it's possible nobody will even run against you. It's a no experience necessary, unpaid position that would probably be a more valuable use of time than spending countless hours posting hundreds of comments on this and another online news websites comments section. Our community being the tiny community that it is, it's so easy to make a difference! This has nothing to do with presidential politics. But where I think your comment is really flawed Hazel is your agitation about being asked to vote on something. Whether you think it was misguided to begin with, or whether you disliked the board immensely, the point is you had a say, you spoke with your vote, and the plan was squashed. I can't imagine how you think the kids paid the price for that, it had nothing to do with them and the money still sits idle. In another arena, the board would have found another way to get around the no vote, like the fire department. You had a CHOICE. I'm sure you guys wish you were still given choices. In fact, it was the same board back then that first gave us the CHOICE of high schools as well. This country is based upon CHOICE, and VOTING. I'm not sure that we would have lost Westhampton as a choice next year if the same board were there now, but again, it was the choice of the voters...now the Tuckahoe community has exactly what it asked for. You are completely off base about Obbservant being a former board member, if you were truly involved you would realize exactly who that is, I think it's obbvious (hehe). I highly doubt Stinker is a current board member, but Hazel, it's an anonymous board, whether you like that or not. There are pros and cons to that, but again, it's about choice (you choose anonymity as well I notice). Your constant attempts to "out" people whom you don't agree with is quite rude. I was having a perfectly civil back and forth with obbservant and it's had to even take you seriously when you go on the attack all the time and call people idiots and other names in a public forum. I teach my kids not to name call as well." Jan 15, 13 9:31 PM

Have to agree with you here Hazel. " Jan 15, 13 9:39 PM

East End Voters Decide On School Budgets, Board Members

Progressnow, it's not a fair analogy to compare the school rankings when the student population is so drastically different. While I truly believe every child has potential, you also have to keep in mind the support a child gets at home. Many of the new Latino parents are not able to sit with their children and help them in english and math. Westampton is almost 90% white, Hampton Bays is less than 50%. Would Westhampton be as high a performing school is you took away 30% of the white kids and replaced them with mostly first generation Latino students? This does not mean the teaching is any better in one school than the other and no matter how you look at it, it's the quality of the individual teacher that will make a difference for a child." May 22, 13 10:34 PM

David, that's just silly. Nobody is being bigoted, so please don't try to make it something it's not. Progressnow is throwing around statistics to prove that one school is better than another. Are you trying to say that statistically schools with high percentages of white students don't perform better than schools with high percentages of latino students? It's not about the kids, it's about the ability of the family to provide educational support, for instance, homework help and extra help when they don't understand something taught in school. This extra help is a tremendous asset for the rest of a childs life. Of course I'm not saying that every single child is in the same position, but it's my belief that these school ranking websites absolutely cannot tell you which school is better. If you placed your child in Hampton Bays would they fail? Of course not. Almost everyhigh school in the hamptons is racially diverse, except Westhampton." May 23, 13 3:07 PM

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