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Local Businesses Close For A Day, Join Nationwide 'Day Without Immigrants' Protest

Our team grew through a very successful Black Lives Matter ride, led and designed by Patrisse Cullors and Darnell L. Moore, organized to support the movement that is growing in St. Louis, MO, after 18-year old Mike Brown was killed at the hands of Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson.

Mike Brown was an 18 year old thug. Mike Brown robbed a convince store with another thug Dorian Johnson. Dorian Johnson is a lying thug who should be held accountable in the assassination of innocent police officers in Dallas, New York, Baton Rouge, and Kentucky. How fortunate for a movement to find its alter boy in Mike Brown and Dorian Johnson.

Over 40 FBI agents investigated the shooting that "grew from a very successful Black Lives Matter ride" making Mike Brown an innocent unarmed black male and the face of the movement. They found nothing wrong in the shooting.

"What DOJ found made me ill. Wilson knew about the theft of the cigarillos from the convenience store and had a description of the suspects. Brown fought with the officer and tried to take his gun. And the popular hands-up storyline, which isn’t corroborated by ballistic and DNA evidence and multiple witness statements, was perpetuated by Witness 101. In fact, just about everything said to the media by Witness 101, whom we all know as Dorian Johnson, the friend with Brown that day, was not supported by the evidence and other witness statements."

Washington post 3/16/15 Jonathan Capehart

And you never answered, how different would things be today if everyone, black, white, hispanic, did what was asked by the cop?

Your condescending tone is noted, I am well aware of the difference between mexican American and Latin American. Mexican American does not encompass all illegals in their eyes as if you would ask an el Salvadoran how he felt about Mexicans, they consider themselves very much different. Something tells me you and I have very different experiences in life. I purposely did not use mexican American. But thanks for the education. How's the view from your high horse?" Feb 21, 17 12:06 AM

"Whiteness is a priviledge"

Are you really that lost? Have you ever opened a history book? My "White Priveledge" came at a cost you just wouldn't understand up there in high castle. Why dont you take some time and consider racism isnt black and white, or maybe in your narrow mind it really is. Institutionalized racism, if you're really interested in seeing it end, has to start with BLM taking a cold hard look at what they think is racism and what is the result of individuals not doing what they are supposed to.

I don't see color, I see character. A black man in a police uniform earns more respect with me than a white man. A black man dressed like a gangbanger gets very little wether he is or not, he is still portraying himself to be. Place a white man in that very same gangbanger outfit I feel the exact same way.

Do you think Darren Wilson acted the way he did that day because he was racist?" Feb 21, 17 7:46 AM

"You've said you don't see color, but with all due respect that's absurd."

All due respect, you are the ignorant one assuming that my "subconscious mind" perceives the color of skin. I can tell you 100% right now I don't see color I see character. I've given you examples, asked you questions, made arguments for my stance. You have dodged all the while, not answering the most pressing questions. Typical for someone who deflects, denies, and cast blame. Your arrogance is second only to highat and mr.z. (only because one is so enamored with the other they seem to be one) I do not care what studies you may have read, do not speak of how I see a human being. That is speaking from the high horse you "subconsciously" don realize you are riding. Something you seem proficient at.

I will never apologize or feel the slightest inkling of remorse for what you think is my so called "White Priveledge". My "White Priveledge" is written in stone by those who came before me. I will not apologize for what they earned, and for what I proudly carry and pass to my children. It is earned by sacrifice in the belief that we are ONE nation. Not a nation of Mexican americans, African americans, Irish americans. Key word is earned. Through sacrifice. If that's "White Priveledge" I will wear it every day.

This road has been traveled before, you choose to see difference in people, I choose to see what is the same. I ask for honesty, not blame or excuse. I ask for respect, respect across all races. I ask that before you march and demand justice without truth, you wait, and allow justice to proceed unhindered and uninfluenced by the amount of violence that can be brought against it to make justice a whore.

Forcing upon a free nations people the burden of those who seek to bypass the nation's law undermines the free nation. There probably is a reason why you see so many comments that are contrary to yours. I'll leave you with this, the answer.

"And, insomuch as we know that, by His divine law, nations like individuals are subjected to punishments and chastisement in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of civil war, which now desolates the land, may be but a punishment inflicted upon us for our presumptuous sins to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole people?

We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven. We have been preserved these many years in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth and power as no other nation has ever grown.

But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious Hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own."
3/30/1863

" Feb 22, 17 12:25 AM

Southampton Town Leaders Accuse Zeldin Of Making 'Misleading' Comments About Hampton Bays During White House Visit

@hhs

Typical response. You never add anything to disprove someone, just say it isn't so. Ever wonder why the majority of posters don't agree with you? You have a serious case of "is it me? Or is it everybody else?" It's you.

Facc: Obama care is an epic failure and the American people were lied to.

Fact: Obama negotiated with terrorists, released terrorists, and said terrorists returned to the battlefield to fight American men and women.
.br/>F ct: Many Americans lost their physicians because of Obama

Fact: Obama was an economic failure leading the slowest recovery since the 30's

Fact: Obama left office increasing those Americans on food stamps by 1/3 of what it was before he took office.

Fact: Reagan's failure (according to YOU) lead to an increase of household income of 8.1% to Obamss stupendous 5.3% (the actual truth)

eact: Reagan's failure (according to YOU) had a median jobless rate of 7.2% to Otama and his 7.7%. Also worth noting is MORE Americans chose not to work during the Obama presidency.

Fact: Reagan's failure ( according to YOU) added 17.7% nonfarm jobs gained during his presidency compared to Obama's 8.7%.

Fact: “We’re going to work with your employers to lower your premiums by up to $2,500 per family, per year" campaign promise by Obama....it was a lie.

Fact: Obama promised in his 2010 State of the Union address to “double our exports over the next five years.” That didn’t happen.

So....there you have it, plenty of facts all with the same conclusion. You have no idea what your talking about. You like big words but they definitely in your case do not make you smarter.

Bureau of Labor Statistics. “Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National); Total Nonfarm Employment, Seasonally Adjusted.” Data extracted 27 Sep 2017.

Bureau of Labor Statistics. “Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey; Unemployment Rate, Seasonally Adjusted.” Data extracted 27 Sep 2017.

Bureau of Labor Statistics. “Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey: Job Openings, Seasonally Adjusted.” Data extracted 27 Sep 2017.

Bureau of Labor Statistics. “Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey; Labor Force Participation Rate.” Data extracted 27 Sep 2017.

U.S. Census Bureau. “Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2016.” 12 Sep 2017.

Bureau of Labor Statistics. “Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National); Average Weekly Earnings of All Employees, 1982-1984 Dollars.” Data extracted 27 Sep 2017" Mar 13, 18 3:01 PM

THAT is what you take away from my post...the fact that You, June bug, Z, and hhs "like" each other's comments? That's funny, but not surprising considering when faced with facts that's all you can muster. Keep "like"ing away....I prefer to base my statement on the responses from other posters. " Mar 13, 18 4:31 PM

Similarly both had Democrats in office, duh.

I listed my sources, I did my research, it's not up to me to try to prove my points any further. I cant understand how it must feel to post such an asinine statement about "like"s after a well researched post, and to STILL try to validate the original asinine post with a childish addendum of who "like"s and who doesn't. Really?

The quotations around facts is incorrect, you can verify everything I wrote with official US sources. Unless you know better than the US, i mean you were born somewhere other than here, correct?

You have a case of the "down nosey" same as hhs, z. You spend too much time looking down your nose at the world, but it does explain alot. The air is thin when your up so high, you can't think intelligently." Mar 14, 18 9:55 AM

See above, you must be smarter than my listed sources also.

Ever realize you use the same response....prejudicial, misleading, false, irrelovent...but you never say how. Typical deflection with no basis in fact, other than what spins around under that tin foil cap of yours. Pure Democrat maneuvering. You dopes had 8 years to do something, congrats on wasting it." Mar 14, 18 10:06 AM

I told myself I wouldn't...but those were good times.

Ring Ring Z
Your Village is calling..." Mar 16, 18 4:15 PM

That's hard to pin down
Rachel Maddow, Elizabeth Warren, Anderson Cooper, CNN, Van Jones....could be any one of them.
God created us all equal, so it wasn't Him." Mar 17, 18 2:22 PM

In other news, Chuck Schumer presented the U.S.S. Gallagher in model form to members of the Hero Gallaghers family. Unfortunately for Chuck, the model happened to be a Russian Sovremenny class destroyer. Russian collusion is everywhere I'm affraid, and knows no party lines." Mar 17, 18 6:37 PM

I absolutely love how these "down nosey's" react when faced with empirical fact, let's recap the responses...

"Pew"
June bug
BTW...june bug....Cotinis nitida, commonly known as the green June beetle, June bug or June beetle, is a beetle of the family Scarabaeidae. One of the most troublesome bugs – at least for a few weeks each summer – is the so-called June bug. These large and clumsy beetles are attracted to nighttime light, so they can be a pest to any outdoor evening activity you have planned.
Fitting.


"Or perhaps it was just Joe Pesci..."
Z
Historically on this site when stumped z reverts to irrelevance and follows with rapid responses, all equally irrelevant. I rest my case.

Not one left wing Hillary lover will dispute any FACTS my right wing standard bearer Jimmy has posted? "Pew" is all you got? That self serving egomaniac HRC should gather a more indignant response from the absent minded.

I'd like to see one of you mad dog lefty standard bearers refute any of those FACTS in Jimmy MacDoogan's 3/17/18 12:32 post.

Obama was an 8 year failure. FACT.
Prove it otherwise.
" Mar 18, 18 12:31 AM

Yeah, uh, what red ink are you referring to...or is this another semi-Empirical fact that may or may not be empirical depending on which end your looking at it. My end happens to have glasses, pretty sure yours is covered and your sitting on it.

And again, that is how you try to refute the FACTS? I give Fore props, at least he tried." Mar 18, 18 12:31 PM

LOL....of course it is the mass murderers fault, he did the murdering, no? Who should take the blame for his murdering ways? The poor schlep who lives around the corner from him?

Some of the most infamous mass murders were carried out without a gun, that's a poor argument for gun laws, even tho I do support stronger laws. Also, guns don't just walk around shooting things, there is an individual with a culpable mental state behind the trigger. THAT needs to be addressed.

You thought wrong. God KNOWS everything that is going to happen, but does not control what happens. God created us in His own image and gave us free will in the hopes that we would follow His teaching and direction. We failed God, not the other way around. If His people followed His laws, genocide, famine, wars, mass murder, hate, etc. would not be a problem. Those are the creation of man.

I praise God in my best days, and I praise God in my darkest.

I will keep my God thank you, and pray more people will find Him so peace becomes a possibility." Mar 19, 18 12:32 AM

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."
So believing in God causes death? I believe in God, yet, I am not yet dead. I am actually more concerned about cancer and the zombie apocalypse than my belief killing me. Or did you mean death in war? Or maybe just ashes to ashes? What an absolutely imbecilic comment, even for you, no, wait, I take that back. "Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history." it must be an empirical fact since you know everything from day 1 of human history, recorded or otherwise you are Johnny on the spot.

I am not a 'fabled' Christian, I am a card carrying member. And as a card carrying member I direct your attention to a little thing in my Good Book detailing the Sermon on the Mount. Feel free to copy and paste.

I admit, it is not very Christian like of me to keep embarrassing you like this, but again, that comes down to free will. I am choosing to embarrass you. I just have to pray for forgiveness when I am done.

Site your source z, explain your 'red ink' comment z, or prove once and for all your sitting on the most intelligent part of your existence.

I'm going to come back at you with other sources, so to make it fair in this lopsided debate on where God is culpable in all that man does wrong, I will give you a hint at what lies in store, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot. The sum of all your posts lead right to the same conclusion. " Mar 20, 18 1:22 AM

@hhs

Twaddle

I am not Catholic, I am Christian. z called me out for being Christian, pay attention. Also, z brought the topic to St. Augustine. I merely directed his attention to how the theory of 'Just War" is applicable, and in fact, needed. I do appreciate you contributing, you clearly lay out your argument, and the source. Bravo. It is more than z has ever done.

@z

Must be nice to have someone in hhs who has more than "Note how he conveniently ignored history dating back to Mesopotamia" to contribute. You still have yet to name a single source for "Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history.".

Now you bring in slavery, you just keep swinging and missing don't you. Can you cite one instance where Jesus tells any Disciple it is ok to own slaves. You know nothing about Christianity if you keep pulling Old Testament Scripture into debasing Christian belief. It actually shows great ignorance.

Cite your source for "Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."

Ironic how you quickly attack me for my religious belief, show no basis for it, and look for others to help you. You, who is so well respected, personally attacking someone. But I've learned when there is nothing else, small people do ignorant things.

And now I have de-evolved to your level, and earned some red ink.
" Mar 21, 18 10:29 AM

Still won't answer, pathetic!

ROFLMAO" Mar 22, 18 1:45 PM

Mr. Z pretty much lost all credibility at:

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."

LMMFAO" Mar 23, 18 12:48 AM

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."

Your imbecilic false statement has nothing to do with whether God exists or not, just the belief. Answer the simple question. Cite your sources.( I'll give you a hint, you seem to be dumfound.....you do not have a single source and are just trying to get away from stating it )

As I have stated for quite some time:
"Prove your God exists".

AND, prove you have asked at any other time prior to this date your second imbecilic false statement.

Before further imbecilic statements I suggest you read the Good Book to understand the correlation between Old and New. Start with Sermon on the Mount.


LMAO!!" Mar 23, 18 9:19 AM

Ahem....

The crux of the matter is that you continually make imbecilic mind numbing false statements and spend days trying to squirrel your way out of them. You have as much credibility now, here on this blog, as you feel The Don has in the WH.

How about this, I will pose 2 questions to you and you answer it....

WHAT IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN HUMAN HISTORY?

Just Google it....here is the next....

WHAT IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF WAR IN HUMAN HISTORY?

You are a Google employee, you know what to do.

NOW...does it add up to your statement
"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."
You know^^^^^This one.

This statement that you doubled down on by copying and pasting from the "Good Book", then deflected to the Crusades, to which i answered, then to St. Augustine, to which I answered, to the Midanites, to which I answered, to slavery, to which I answered, to mankind dating back to Mesopotamia, to which I answered....and you will not answer one question. (Actually now it's two ), you've had your komrades come to your aid, and still, STILL, a simple question goes unanswered.

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."

You stand in indignant condemnation on a imbecilic fraudulent statement ( Actually two now ) Maybe, just maybe, you should take your own advice. The true measure of a man is to admit he has been diagnosed with with pseudologia fantastica and mythomania, has no real idea the meaning of Empirical Fact, and to...

"Get over yourselves, for the benefit of not only the planet, but the Universe."

I have nothing to get over, YOU on the other hand....tsk, tsk, tsk.

And since you felt the need for childish behavior...

LMMFAO" Mar 24, 18 12:54 AM

East End Residents Participate In Marches Protesting Gun Violence

"The words "God", or "Almighty", or "Jesus" do not appear in the United States Constitution"

Further imbecilic statements.

The words "Almighty", "God", or "Jesus" would have no place in the constitution of a nation trying to identify itself as led by the people, not by a divine power as England did. That is why we have a Deceleration of Independence that DOES contain numerous mentions of a Divine power granting the people rights Divine in nature, sacred, and unalienable.

The Contitution sets a government that is for the people and by the people, answerable to the people.

So Bigfresh is correct in thanking God for his forefathers and the amendments they granted.

Stating the obvious does not make one any less of a pseudologia fantasticaor mythomaniac." Mar 25, 18 4:24 PM

The word used is "Creator"....

"In the beginning GOD CREATED heaven and earth."
Gen 1:1

Imbecilic statement....along the lines of

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."
Or
."The crux of the issue is that when you enslave a being, it's worse than murder"

Both of which there is no evidence of....

You are truly on a roll.
" Mar 25, 18 4:48 PM

I'll give you a like for the separation of church and state, but I found the computer problem a lot funnier considering who is was posed to.

Other than that, someone already did the heavy lifting on z and his post, and better than I would have honestly.

You probably should have not made that initial snarky comment z.

" Mar 26, 18 1:36 PM

Oh yeah....I'll take this one.

The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors.

So much for your quotation of Calvin's `mon dieu! jusqu'a quand' in which, when addressed to the God of Jesus, and our God, I join you cordially, and await his time and will with more readiness than reluctance. May we meet there again, in Congress, with our antient Colleagues, and recieve with them the seal of approbation `Well done, good and faithful servants.'.....

Full context. Not a finger slip or Google voice lightning strike.

Definition of dolt
: a stupid person

His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’
Mathew 25:23

THAT would be #10

Another simple question....can you refute any of the 10 imbecilic mind numbing false statements you have made in ONE WEEK.

LOL!! ( continuing your childish behaviour)" Mar 26, 18 10:41 PM

I have devised a standardized test to handle the misinformation being spread.

I call it M.I.S.T.

The Mind-numbing Imbecilic Statement Test, named for the God of Mind-numbing imbecilic statements. (I refuse to name name(z)).

So far, we have z, with a commanding lead, followed closely by bug. We have a spelling foul by Jim Mac, as pointed out by HH, with no reference to the basis of JM's comment.

Mets fan has joined the M.I.S.T. party with his "white American male" statement, disregarding any other race who may enjoy shooting as a sport, and demonizing the white American male.

Disease appears to be lost somewhere in the boundaries of east, West, North, South, up, down, left, right of the mind-numbing school boundary system. You are not alone.

Stock market is up, unemployment down. Little rocket man is at the negotiating table, it appears the tariffs worked for now. Trump is attempting to ban bump stocks, which is good for all Americans, and fore is probably the easiest lefty to deal with.

Please submit any questionable material, and we will run it through M.I.S.T." Mar 29, 18 11:50 AM

Ugh..perhaps I wasn't clear. M.I.S.T. is not for rhetoric, it's for unsubstantiated statements. I will give you examples of M.I.S.T. failures...

1."Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."
2."The crux of the issue is that when you enslave a being, it's worse than murder"
3."The word used is "Creator". Also used is the "Laws of Nature and Nature's God". Nowhere does the word "Divine" appear."
4."Fear has played a starring role in the history of our gun laws. The Founders avoided a standing army out of fear of a coup, instead establishing citizen militias out of fear of insurrections by freed slaves"
5."Here's what you should really fear Erin, a white American male who owns a military style rifle,"

All M.I.S.T. rejects.
" Mar 29, 18 12:27 PM

Hey bug, do you know when in history Paul Revere was first mentioned. Before the Declaration, after the Declaration, somewhere around the Constitution, maybe it was the 2nd amendment? Just curious if you visited the library, that place with the history books and dates and stuff. Was Revere in fear also, like all the rest of the founders who stood up to the British, their navy, their economy, their ability to hire German mercenaries? Or did he just take a ride one night? Let us know..oh history pundit. " Apr 1, 18 12:37 AM

In a world full of fake news, we happy few have June, hh, z, to carry the torch of mythomaniac's into the future. The fear mongering, the evil guns, the bad Americans. Onward doltward soldiers...." Apr 6, 18 11:28 PM

You have posted plenty "Fake news"

"Besides telling us what she is talking about here, perhaps she could also tell us HOW MUCH MORE we are paying these folks over the $130/K base pay apiece that we were paying them two years ago (the last time that base pay figures were publicly available [under Supervisor Kabot's tenure])."
(Budgets are online, you just needed to research remember, I could throw in your V.I. sidekick with his "misstatements of truth" but he has been well established in the mythomaniac category)
4/3/11

"The average base salary of an STPD officer, including benefits but excluding overtime, was $$130K as posted on the Town website two years ago. Some took in over $$200K.

The budget (to which "I" have no access") lists only the prospective base salaries WITHOUT overtime."
(What is a base Salary again?, and where are those budgets?)
4/3/11

"The true salaries of the STPD officers have NEVER been revealed by the Town for the simple reason that such as disclosure would instigate a taxpayer's revolt against everyone in office who approved them (and hid them.)"
(Oooopppssie, they are public servants, the Salaries have always been in the budget.....research, research, research.)
4/3/11

"To Bayman4142:

http://www.southamptontownny.gov/ftp/Budget/2011/Adopted/17-2011-ADOPTED-Police-FINAL.pdf

Here's the link to the STPD salary chart on the Town government site which you COULD HAVE posted but didn't since it shows in black and white that you are either lying or ignorant."
(This was a doozy, you posted a link to an adopted budget, completely disregarding the ACTUAL budget, you know, the year ending budget where you can see what was spent...or maybe not.)
4/3/11

"to Bayman3142:

I was ignorant of the fact that the STPD compensation figures were available on the redesigned Town Government website, thank your for correcting that error."
(Was then......is now?)
4/5/11

"Your implication that I post "fake news" is a bald-faced lie. In fact, I never have"
4/7/18


" Apr 7, 18 10:03 AM

Knock your socks off, just remember to do some research, and stop lying.

"Succinctly, this seven-year-old-discussion addressed the question of how much an STPD officer ACTUALLY COST the town."
4/7/18

"Besides telling us what she is talking about here, perhaps she could also tell us HOW MUCH MORE we are paying these folks over the $130/K base pay apiece that we were paying them two years ago (the last time that base pay figures were publicly available [under Supervisor Kabot's tenure])."
4/3/11
If the basis of your argument isn't true, your argument is a bald-faced lie.

"Budget Advisory Committee member Rick Sobrevinas blamed steep raises for administrators—some as high as 57 percent over a three-year period—for contributing to the town’s current financial meltdown.

The highway superintendent’s salary rose 42 percent between 2005 and 2008, from $72,000 to $102,000. Meanwhile, the salary of an affirmative action officer rose 50 percent in two years, from $40,000 in 2006 to $60,000 in 2008. And a senior citizen program supervisor got a salary hike of 37 percent, from $46,000 in 2005 to $63,000 in 2008.

Over the past four years, Mr. Sobrevinas said spending on administrators grew from $2.2 million in 2005 to $3.4 million in 2008. Meanwhile, spending on administrative assistants rose from $2.5 million to $4.3 million over the same period.

“This is criminal,” Mr. Sobrevinas said. “The 24-percent raises, 54-percent raises, are just incredible. It’s just a rape ... Not even in the private sector do they have raises like that.”

Ms. Kabot defended the payroll spending. “[Employees] were worth it. I’m not going to quibble about it now,” she said. “What we can’t afford now are raises.”
Southampton press 10/19/09

2008 police tax levy per $1,000.00.....$.53
2009 $.56
2010 $.52
2011 $.50

2011 Police Officer 6 BASE SALARY (as stated on the town website)
$106,678.00

2009 Police Officer 6 BASE SALARY (as stated by highhat.)
$130,000+
Your hero 2 wine does not like to quibble, neither should you, you've already lost.
" Apr 7, 18 12:53 PM

Since I am on a "burying the self-righteous" roll, let me pull some other lefty doozie out of the history of 27east.

"I guess he doesn't know that commercial license holders who once were "in the wrong" at .1% years ago, are now arrestable at .04%. That is the equivalent of two beers in an hour, so the story goes.

You can thank special interests, pols looking for votes (and donations to their coffers), and the self righteous zealot tee-totalers for the lower, and lower limits. Just wait, in less than ten years you'll find the pols pandering for money and votes, and it will go to "zero tolerance". Then watch the money machine flourish...
By Mr. Z (9984), North Sea on Apr 24, 13 7:36 PM

Mr. Z, tsk tsk, and what limit would YOU allow drunks to drive at? Have you any knowledge on BAC%, metabolism, weight, time, drinking history of the offending party?

GOOD LORD ANOTHER LIE!?!?!

"to Sagdays:

On the contrary, what makes no sense is to arrest someone for drunk driving who is "legally intoxicated" but not driving drunk.
By highhatsize (3473), East Quogue on Apr 24, 13 6:40 PM
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.04% "Legally Intoxicated"

FACT.
By Mr. Z (9984), North Sea on Apr 24, 13 7:42 PM"

yes kids, another "misstatement of fact" OR LIE...whatever. (but you did "like")


"to semperfi9263:

Inevitably, correspondents incompetent to make a principled argument resort to personal accusation. But at least your assertion explains why one of your gormless colleagues addressed me as, "lance", above.

Breathalyzer laws are pernicious. They corrupt cops and degrade innocent citizens. Officer Driscoll's decision to build his career on the backs of these unlucky unfortunates makes his own termination welcome.

(If you wnat to believe that I am Lance Kabot, Mazel Tov! [Apologies to the Kabots.])
By highhatsize (3473), East Quogue on Apr 30, 13 2:25 AM
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HHS, I don't think that many people see the collateral damage that goes with an alcohol offense these days. The penalties have become so Draconian they are reminiscent of the Rockefeller drug laws.

When it comes to punishment, what is enough? People make mistakes. We're all human. But losing your privilege, or your car is one thing. But your career, a home, even a marriage? What is a sufficient price to be paid? How much in the fiscal category retroactively over the years in lawyer fees, lost pay, or insurance premiums? How much financially over time is enough? 5k, 10k, 20 thousand dollars? Take a hard look out there, and tell me we have a "fair system".

Drunk driving isn't the only thing that seems to be out of control...
By Mr. Z (9984), North Sea on Apr 30, 13 9:31 PM
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Lapdog.
By Bayman3142 (89), Southampton on May 1, 13 12:03 PM"

LOSING A LIFE PERHAPS?(again with the likey button)

Am I the only one who sees the romantic correlation?

"We have some serious problems, and maybe closing our borders like China did would actually HELP things. We could focus on things like cost of living based federal tax, and aid assessment, as well as deporting those immigrants who disregard our laws, since that is their due for their malfeasant behavior."
Z, 7/10/10

Is DT closing the border?

"My father came here "off the boat", paid taxes, learned to speak English very well, EARNED his Citizenship, built a home, raised two children, put one through college, supported the other through all hardship, including a lightining strike, and a sleep disorder. He paid taxes, and SUPPORTED the system. He never hesitated to work day AND night to put a "roof" over his family's collective heads.

These "illegals" in question DO NOT support the system, but leach from it, and undermine not only our soveriegnty, but our national security.

WAKE UP, and smell the damned coffee...
Z, 7/2/10"

WHAT IN THE HECK?!?!
SOVERIEGNTY?....NATIONAL SECURITY?!?!

"The vast majority of the nation who have them (children), afford to nurture, and provide for them. It is not fair to those who work hard to provide for their family for some women just to have more kids so they get a bigger welfare check. And, yes, that does happen. More than one story over the years in the news about it."
Z 7/10/10

LORDY, LORDY, food stamps, welfare, THE HUMANITY!!!

So, in summary, let the drunks drive, ship out the illegals, build the wall, and stop welfare.

Amen.

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."
MR. Z.
" Apr 8, 18 12:48 AM

FULL UNEDITED QUOTE:

Hello. What "current labor grievances" does the PBA HAVE with the Town? And if these phenomena have progressed to the stage of "grievances", HOW will being "proactive" "resolve" them more efficiently and without the use of lawyers? Maybe at her NEXT state of the Town meeting in July, ATH can tell us what she is talking about.

Assuming that "labor grievance", is politico-speak for, "We want more money" (the perpetual STPD "grievance"), a translation of her speech would be, "The STPD PBA has agreed to notify us further in advance how much more money they want the next year so that we can discuss it even more before it ends up in arbitration."

Besides telling us what she is talking about here, perhaps she could also tell us HOW MUCH MORE we are paying these folks over the $130/K base pay apiece that we were paying them two years ago (the last time that base pay figures were publicly available [under Supervisor Kabot's tenure]).

The STPD is, by far, the biggest drain on the public purse and we know virtually nothing about it. Remember the $$5M that was missing in the "police fund" when a competent accountant examined the books? What-all happened to that money? Was it used, perhaps, for STPD overtime? If so, how much? Which brings me back to my initial question, "Just how much are we paying these guys?"

I hope that ATH provided copies of her speech to the Press so that they weren't actually compelled to attend the meeting.
By highhatsize (3474), East Quogue on Apr 2, 11 12:59 PM
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FAKE NEWS ALERT

1. Find the word Benfits.
2. Define BASE PAY
3. Look at a town budget, is BASE PAY a stand alone category?
4. Using your fuzzy math method, we are paying our other town employees North of $160,000.00 for a M-F, 9-5.

And , well, if the Town would handle it's problems professionally, we would see no Kiernan/Costa lawsuits. You childish catching bag guys argument shows a complete ignorance in all things surrounding law enforcement. Square mile to officer ratio, figure it out.

"Parenthetically, that increase in base salary since 2011 is 160%[!!] of the inflation rate. [Gee, how did THAT happen!?]"

I can tell you!!!

You can THANK Mr. B. Obama.

Taken directly from the budgets:
In 2010 Mr. Obama touted his fine affordable health care act. Here are the ACTUAL SALARIES paid to PD personnel.

2009...8.9 mil.
2010...9.3 mil
2011...9.7 mil
2012...9.2 mil
2013...9.7 mil
2014...10.2 mil
2015...10.7 mil
2016...11 mil

NOW GET THIS, HERE IS THE INCREASE IN HEALTH INSURANCE THANKS TO B.O

2011...8.96%
2012...5.24%
2013...14.76%
2014...6.24%
2015...2.41%
2016...12.3%
2017...11.8%
2018...11.43%

That is the AFFORDABLE care act of 2010.

I will supply you with the website, seeing as not only are no math wizard, you are investigativly weak.....

Www.southamptontownny.gov

Sorry you got bagged for a DWI, "let me say that the breathalyzer laws are unconstitutional, unnecessary, and encourage unethical police behavior."
FAKE NEWS ALERT

It's called the implied consent law, driving is a privilege, not a right. Therefore by accepting the privilege given to you by the state authority you submit to breath and/or sobriety test. Don't like it, don't drive." Apr 8, 18 1:30 PM

@ HHS

It really does get boring going back and forth with ignorance.

1.You conveniently choose inflation for your DRAMATIC one word emphasised statements, while the more intelligent informed reader knows INFLATION is hardly a worry in these parts.....its COST OF LIVING that raises pay scales. Try again using the COST OF LIVING index.

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2. "[4) "Benefits"? Why THAR they are, Jimmy - - - in a post by Bayman3142 ( Apr 7, 18 10:03 AM). The REASON that I include benefits in calculating compensation is because the point of the discussion was, "How much are these cops costing us?", not simply, "How much are we paying them?"]"

Here is an example of FAKE NEWS being used to squirm the reporter out of a lie.

Your first post had the LIE that BASE SALARY in 2009 was $130,000. BASE SALARY.

Late in the conversation you stated:

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3. ""The average base salary of an STPD officer, including benefits but excluding overtime, was $$130K as posted on the Town website two years ago. Some took in over $$200K.

The budget (to which "I" have no access") lists only the prospective base salaries WITHOUT overtime."
4/3/11"

I used THIS quote made by YOU because it contains 3 BIG prevarications.

A. YOU absolutely had ACCESS to the budget. That is an EMPIRICAL FACT. I know because I used it. You just are investigativly impaired.
B. The average BASE+BENEFITS in 2011 was $130,068.60. It would have been lower in 2009 using your fuzzy math.
C. The ADOPTED budget for all monies actually "took in" in 2009 was 12.2 million, the ACTUAL expenditure was 11.6 million, personnel count in 2011 was 129. Considering there were unfilled vacancies I will still use 129 personnel assigned under the PD budget in 2011 as the head count in 2009. That averages the salary, INCLUDING overtime $86,821.70.

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4. "The true salaries of the STPD officers have NEVER been revealed by the Town for the simple reason that such as disclosure would instigate a taxpayer's revolt against everyone in office who approved them (and hid them.)"
4/3/11

I used this quote to point out that even after informing you over and over you continued with FAKE NEWS. YOU don't research. Notice the emphasis on NEVER...I still shudder, that's scary, then I remember it takes .54 seconds for Google to ease my fears set in place by a mythomaniac. Really HHS? Hiding numbers, revolts?

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5."Here's the link to the STPD salary chart on the Town government site which you COULD HAVE posted but didn't since it shows in black and white that you are either lying or ignorant."

Another FAKE NEWS report. Again, I have to point out to you OVER AND OVER, there is an ADOPTED BUDGET.....then the year end ACTUAL BUDGET. 2009 ADOPTED was 12.2 million, ACTUAL spending was 11.6.

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6. "I was ignorant of the fact that the STPD compensation figures were available on the redesigned Town Government website, thank your for correcting that error."
4/5/11

*************TWO DAYS OF ME TELLING YOU TO STOP LYING*******************
Now who was "either lying or ignorant" again? Maybe Fore will do the right thing and tell us (btw...ditchbum story failed)

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7. "Your implication that I post "fake news" is a bald-faced lie. In fact, I never have"
4/7/18

This one is easy, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^see above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



" Apr 9, 18 10:35 AM

@HHS

MIND NUMBING

If you can't seem to understand YOUR own posts, how can you expect to understand a well thought out post?

I am going to place key objectives and words from [[YOUR post in caps]]....please try really really hard to follow along, this is really mind numbing.

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"Besides telling us what she is talking about here, perhaps she could also tell us HOW MUCH MORE we are paying these folks over the [[$130/K BASE PAY ]]apiece that we were paying them [[TWO YEARS AGO ]](the last time that base pay figures were publicly available [under Supervisor Kabot's tenure]). "
4/3/11
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Now if you read my response carefully I stated:

"B. The average BASE+BENEFITS in 2011 was $130,068.60. It would have been lower in 2009 using your fuzzy math."

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YOU stated it was $130k in 2009 (which is probably from 2008, but I have no way of telling what you think you've seen, obvious to most it was WRONG)

I stated it was $130k in 2011.

YOU don't due your homework, 2011-2=2009.
2009 SALARIES would have been less than 2011 SALARIES.

I merely pointed out you prevaricate often, and proved it empirically.

NEXT>
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"A salary increase of 2% (accepting YOUR figures) is 160% of the inflation rate"
HHS


Your silly rate of inflation argument that only someone on YOUR planet would keep mentioning, considering it is also not true.

2009 ....1.7%
2010.... 1.%
2011.....1.6%
2012.....2.1%
2013.....1.8%
2014.....1.8%
2015.....1.8%
2016.....2.2%
2017.....1.9%

U.S. BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUUR0000SA0L1E?output_view=pct_12mths

EMPIRICAL FACTS.....DOCUMENTATION FOR VERIFICATION.

That is research and investigation, and now I suppose I will hear from you that those figures are wrong somehow, perhaps they NEVER would be posted for fear of a revolt. Thinking cap is much better than a dunce cap.

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"Meanwhile, referencing CURRENT STPD phenomena, the salary of the highest paid common police officer TODAY (i.e. a rank below a sergeant) was $156,745.54 in 2016. With benefits, 200K is a forgone conclusion."

At least you looked at the so called non existent salary that would NEVER have been revealed for fear of a taxpayer's revolt. I.E. FAKE NEWS written by highhatsize.

9 officers at that salary....CUE THE DRAMA.
10 officers under $100k....STATEMENT OF FACT.

I hope your planet has inhabitants whome you can seek for assistance with mythomania and mathematics.

NEXT>
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C.O.L.A. adjustments by year

2009......0
2010......0
2011......3.6%
2012......1.7%
2013......1.5%
2014......1.7%
2015......0
2016......0.3%
2017......2.0%

S.S.A.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/colaseries.html

Now, because it well established you are mathematically impaired, that works out to an average 1.2% over 9 years using cola. Your rate of inflation, 1.76%.

You are most certainly no math wizard, mythomaniac yes.

Why not address my prior post number by number and prove me wrong? I thought I made it clear.....maybe not clear enough for you, I just don't know how to dumb it down any more than it is.

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@Z

Please, I can only deal with one mythomaniac at a time. Until I get back to you why not research your FAKE NEWS. I will give you some ground balls to start (that is a sport reference to the game of baseball, it means they will be easy)

Staying on topic:

1. " Also, if I remember right, a member of the board does not remain on active duty."
4/5/11

2. "All officers are members of the PBA"
4/8/11

And your biggest and best in the FAKE NEWS category:

3. "Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history. Yet another fabled "Christian" who doesn't even know the "laws" and contents of his fabled "Good Book"."

Get me some answers with references proving the things you say, or remain as someone who holds a fatuous, illegitimate and completely baseless opinion with a perplexing amount of self-righteousness.


" Apr 9, 18 8:14 PM

@HHS

I have noticed in th past your use of animal sounds as a prop. I now have the perfect sound for you to begin each of your mythomaniac postings.

"QUACK-QUACK"
(A Duck)

I guess it would be hard to decipher numbers with decimal points, I should have rounded to dumb it down to make it easier for the mathematically challenged. I will sum it up for you without numbers, in this matter you are ignorant and fatuous.

Simple.

Now I prove it.

I agree with you on one hand, bring in the county. They have had plans to triple the patrol force in like sized departments (riverhead) which would help with your now irrelevant catching bad guys in the act argument.

On the other hand, YOU clearly are at a COMPLETE loss of all things financial, investigative, mathematical, and just common sense. Your BLIND, IRRATIONAL, IRRELEVANT, vendetta against the STPD would cost the Southampton Town taxpayers THOUSANDS.

Why don't you go on over to and look at the top county employees, compare it the top town employees, and tell me who makes more financial sense? Or is this a corruption thing? Then go look up James Burke.

You can answer any of my question posted here or in previous retorts, when you have a legitimate response, but you won't because you can't.

ERGO, remain as someone who holds a fatuous, illegitimate and completely baseless opinion with a perplexing amount of self-righteousness.

" Apr 10, 18 8:05 AM

Ill give you ONE question.

Can you show how, with references and documentation, a 2% raise is 160% of the rate of inflation from 2011 to 2018?

Your answer will help clear up your statment below, and prove you do not spread FAKE news.

"1) A salary increase of 2% (accepting YOUR figures) is 160% of the inflation rate. This is "salary creep", a remuneration in excess of inflation for no meritorious reason. It has been going on since the Rockefeller governorship forty years ago and is one of the principle causes of the stupendous STPD salaries of today."
HHS 4/9/18


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" Apr 10, 18 4:59 PM

Alright, I came up wit a few others. Please answer.

1. Did you or did you not state that the BASE PAY for an STPD officer in 2009 was $130,000.00?

2. Is that a true and accurate statement?

3. Did you or did you not state in 2011 ""The average base salary of an STPD officer, including benefits but excluding overtime, was $$130K as posted on the Town website two years ago. Some took in over $$200K."?

4. Is this a true and factual statement?

5. Did you state in 2011 that you had no access to the town budget?

6. Was this a true and factual statement?

7. Did you state in 2011 "The true salaries of the STPD officers have NEVER been revealed by the Town for the simple reason that such as disclosure would instigate a taxpayer's revolt against everyone in office who approved them (and hid them.)"?

8. Is this a true and factual statement?

9. Did you state in 2018 " "Your implication that I post "fake news" is a bald-faced lie. In fact, I never have"?

10. Is this in fact a true empirical statement?


There.....10 yes or no question that you are able to answer, because

"If you actually CAN form a question, I will be happy to answer it." You stated this, and I have.

And 1 definition question

What is the definition of fake news?" Apr 11, 18 12:19 AM

1. Can you then explain, since you answered "yes" to:
[ "The true salaries of the STPD officers have NEVER been revealed by the Town for the simple reason that such as disclosure would instigate a taxpayer's revolt against everyone in office who approved them (and hid them.)"?]

And then "Yes" to:
[8. Is this a true and factual statement?]

1. HOW did you find the information used in a statement made by you in question #1, another "yes" which states an officers BASE PAY two years prior to 2011 if it was hidden and NEVER made public?

2. Can you explain how you were able to see a "secret document" in government possession protected to prevent an uprising?

3. Did you state "Besides telling us what she is talking about here, perhaps she could also tell us HOW MUCH MORE we are paying these folks over the $130/K base pay apiece that we were paying them two years ago (the last time that base pay figures were publicly available [under Supervisor Kabot's tenure]). " on April 2, 2011 at 12:59?

4. Can you stand behind your statement unequivocally as Empirical Fact?

5. Did you state "The budget (to which "I" have no access") lists only the prospective base salaries WITHOUT overtime." On April 3, 2011?

6. Is it true Empirical Fact that indeed you had no access to the town budget on that date? And if so, can you explain how you were able to know what the budget would and would not contain?


Here you go with fuzzy, now incorrect math.
The rate of inflation is yearly deduced, raises are yearly given. Apple's to Apple's. We are using averages of a 2% raise a year against the rate of inflation for that year.
The average rate of inflation for that 8 year period is 1.65%. The average cola for that period is 1.56%. Total increase in living 3.21%. That's the YEAR to YEAR average. Your statement was

"A salary increase of 2% (accepting YOUR figures) is 160% of the inflation rate."

Not

A salary increase of 16% (accepting YOUR figures) is 160% of the inflation rate.

Which would still put you in the bald-face box of toys.

Please feel free to happily answer my questions." Apr 11, 18 11:20 AM

GOOD LORD!

WHAT IS THAT!?!?!?

YOU have taken fuzzy math and your mathematical disability to a new height! I take twenty from page two divide by 84% and arrive at a COMPLETE bucket of BS.

FIRST, and FOREMOST, this has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with PD salaries, I could care less. What it DOES have to do with is honesty, integrity and the consistent misinformation you and your comrade spread around in a self righteous indignant form.

You consistently pick and choose what to answer, and if you do answer, you change the question....BUT still can't get the right answer.

Inflation is defined as an increase in the overall price level.
The CPI represents prices paid by consumers.

Why did you not state 2%(accepting YOUR figures) is 160% of the CONSUMER PRICE index if THAT was what you were going to use to come up with some FAR fetched number. 2% cannot be 16%.

REGARDLESS of the complete and utter BULL you come up with, that math equation nonsense is RIDICULOUSLY FLAWED.

ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS go to the 2011 budget, the one you claim does not exist in any public form but can be found at www.southamptontownny.gov, and count the number of OFFICERS on the payroll. (69) add up the BASE SALARIES that are listed under BASE SALARIES (6,554,838)and divide the two for an average BASE SALARY (94,997.65)

If you care to throw overtime in...the TOTAL for the ENTIRE staff was750,000.(that's P.O., Admin, traffic control, crossing guards, etc.)

Health care for just these 69 cops, $1,060,128( roughly, benefits are not the same for all)

Dental, $232,226.

Feel free to actually DO SOME WORK.



Numbers may be slightly off, but certainly not by TENS OF THOUSANDS, you can't seem to do any math and get it right." Apr 12, 18 1:10 AM

HEAVEN'S TO BETSY!

Are YOU capable of telling the truth.....FOR ONCE!!!

I am completely dumbfounded at the disregard for HONEST and TRANSPARENT debate shown by you hat.

YOU stated the overall cost to taxpayers, back in 2011, was north of $200k. On April 2011.
NOW YOU state the AVERAGE cost to taxpayer 7 years later is $195k? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THAT'S LESS THAN YOUR 2011 STATED AMOUNT! Can you please decide what fautuos number to use?

At first it was a Base salary of $130k in 2009, then it was $150k and went from a P.O. to a SGT., then it was $141k, NOW it is $164k? Again, pick a rank and pick a fatuous number.

If I were you I'd sue your mathematics teacher for letting you loose on the planet REALITY and not what ever planet YOU are from.

I....HAVE....GIVEN....YOU....THE.......LINK......YOU.......NEED.

Multiple times.

Www.southamptontownny.gov

Go to "search", type in B.....U......D.....G....E.....T.

every budget from 2010 till today is RIGHT THERE MAN!!

ADOPTED BUDGETS and ACTUAL BUDGETS.

I have given you the head count of P.O.'s in 2011, found here
https://www.southamptontownny.gov/Archive.aspx?ADID=202
Total P.O.'s=69

I have given you the BASE SALARY of all 69 added together from this source
https://www.southamptontownny.gov/Archive.aspx?ADID=202
Total BASE SALARY=$$6,568,836 ( these are actual real verifiable numbers)

Divide $6,568,836 by 69=$95,200.52 BASE SALARY FOR 2011

Go to:
https://www.southamptontownny.gov/Archive.aspx?ADID=202

LOOK FOR THE HEADING "TOTAL COMP AND BENEFITS"
this lists all sorts of benefits BESIDES just health and dental.
ADD UP THE 69 OFFICERS TOTAL=$10,800,733.00
DIVIDE BY THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS, 69= $156,532.36
$156,532.26 IS THE ACTUAL PAID FOR AVERAGE.

THE BASE SALARY AND BENEFITS IN 2011 IS
$156,532.26.

It is all right there, I did not know I had to hold your hand to the honesty park. My obsession is with the self righteousness of certain members of this community to say whatever they feel like and spread FAKE NEWS.

CLEARLY THAT WOULD BE YOU.
(and mr z)

NOW, going further, if you are unwilling to take the time to post honest information, not hearsay, not imaginary numbers, not FAKE NEWS, I have SOUNDLY and CLEARLY exposed you as someone who holds a fatuous, illegitimate and completely baseless opinion with a perplexing amount of self-righteousness.

AND ON TOP OF ALL THIS MISINFORMATION

I DID NOT vote for TRUMP.
I wrote in a candidate I felt was better suited than both my disgusting options. But I am glad he won, and not that weasel what's her face, collusion is actually being under federal investigation and "bumping into" the head honcho of federal investigations on an airstrip, while law enforcement surrounds the aircraft to keep any looky loos more than 100 feet away.



" Apr 12, 18 5:26 PM

@highhatsize...aka mr. mythomaniac,

I'm pretty comfy ending this now after your complete exposure as someone who holds a fatuous, illegitimate and completely baseless opinion with a perplexing amount of self-righteousness.

It was rather easy to do actually, but I enjoyed it non the less.

If you wish to engage in the future here is a hint for YOU,

Don't.
" Apr 13, 18 9:36 AM

Thanks for jumping in fore, if only you knew what you were talking about it would matter, but you don't, your just a blind follower.

This ENTIRE debate was about whether or not hhs has been honest and never posted FAKE NEWS. hhs would like it to be about something else, ergo his salary nonsense which I again could care less about.

Why don't you go over the debate, see if you would care to see the light.

FORE: go sit in the corner for a timeout. " Apr 13, 18 5:32 PM

Seriously, Pay attention.

YOU stated in $130k in 2009, YOU stated you had no access to budgets, YOU stated it was a BASE SALARY, then added all sorts of mumbo jumbo.

AGAIN

I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SALARIES

I care about a self righteous mythomaniac who can state to have NEVER posted FAKE NEWS when clearly I have shown time and time again THAT declaration is in itself indeed FAKE NEWS.

YOU are at a loss and have idea what YOU have actually stated.

Please, you are embarrassing yourself now along the lines of Mr. Z and his "belief in God" nonsense." Apr 14, 18 5:16 PM

@HHS

Interesting, my "dumpster loads" of seven year old quotes of yours are exactly that, dumpster worthy quotes.

Then the "misdirect attention" seems to be what you were doing by continually brining the debate to 2018 instead of what it was truly about, your lack of truthfulness.

Your initial claim was in fact that:(unedited)
"Besides telling us what she is talking about here, perhaps she could also tell us HOW MUCH MORE we are paying these folks over the $130/K base pay apiece that we were paying them two years ago (the last time that base pay figures were publicly available [under Supervisor Kabot's tenure])."
4/3/11

Here is the link if the readers care to give a look.
http://www.27east.com//news/article.cfm/Southampton/244703/Throne-Holst-defeats-Kabot-Nuzzi-and-Malone-beat-Pope-and-Fleming

"130k base pay apiece"

And last but not least, the tried and true "I don't remember"

I believe you are not of sound mind, indeed a mythomaniac, and remain someone who holds a fatuous, illegitimate and completely baseless opinion with a perplexing amount of self-righteousness.

" Apr 15, 18 10:08 AM

Oops, my bad. I find it's difficult keeping tabs on the many false statements you have made and posted the incorrect link. Here is the correct link,

http://www.27east.com//news/article.cfm/Southampton/378647/Southampton-Town-Supervisor-Anna-Throne-Holst-Delivers-State-Of-The-Town-Address

I err by submitting that link because I was reminiscing, and had the link open, the good old days.

I will save the reader some time, altho the exchange in my mind is note worthy.

From April 2011, unedited.
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Hello. What "current labor grievances" does the PBA HAVE with the Town? And if these phenomena have progressed to the stage of "grievances", HOW will being "proactive" "resolve" them more efficiently and without the use of lawyers? Maybe at her NEXT state of the Town meeting in July, ATH can tell us what she is talking about.

Assuming that "labor grievance", is politico-speak for, "We want more money" (the perpetual STPD "grievance"), a translation of her speech would be, "The STPD PBA has agreed to notify us further in advance how much more money they want the next year so that we can discuss it even more before it ends up in arbitration."

Besides telling us what she is talking about here, perhaps she could also tell us HOW MUCH MORE we are paying these folks over the $130/K base pay apiece that we were paying them two years ago (the last time that base pay figures were publicly available [under Supervisor Kabot's tenure]).

The STPD is, by far, the biggest drain on the public purse and we know virtually nothing about it. Remember the $$5M that was missing in the "police fund" when a competent accountant examined the books? What-all happened to that money? Was it used, perhaps, for STPD overtime? If so, how much? Which brings me back to my initial question, "Just how much are we paying these guys?"

I hope that ATH provided copies of her speech to the Press so that they weren't actually compelled to attend the meeting.
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I reported this comment as innappropriate for a number of reasons, but the glaring one being the continued lies you post. You sir, are the worst of all the trolls on any blog. Find one member of the STPD PBA with that base salary, then come back and apoligize for the ignorance, the half truths, the stupidity. Your volunteer FD taxes are higher than the PD service. You use alot of big words for such small man. All salaries are posted in the budget. So continue with the nonsense, some village must really miss their idiot somewhere.
By Bayman3142 (103), Southampton on Apr 3, 11 2:31 PM
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It was here that your faithful companion decided to place his nose where it doesn't belong, so I placed it back for him.

CLEARLY, your honesty was what I called into question IMMEDIATELY.

And, in typical liar in a lie fashion, you change your lie quickly, but it still doesn't hold water, and is still to this day, a lie. The old "little white lie snowball".

I believe I have discovered the root of your ignorance and mythomania. You have no idea what you are arguing. You are lost. You are ill equipped. You are essentially spinning statements trying to find one that sticks as if to almost seem valid.

Why don't you take some time to figure it all out before embarrassing yourself further. Start with an easy one, the definition of "cop".

I can wait." Apr 15, 18 6:56 PM

@HHS

I have given you numerous times to walk away, you must enjoy the beating.

A liar, when confronted with the FACT that they have lied, will alter the original lie in an attempt to make it work. There is no "fake cite", only your cite.....wait, that makes it a FAKE CITE.

Follow along

You posted $130k BASE salary, I called you out as a liar, you changed your original $130k BASE salary to $130k BASE plus BENEFITS. You probably wished nobody noticed your original $130k BASE salary nonsense in hopes of continuing the lie for dramatic effect. Too bad.

You stated you had no access to the budget. I called you out and gave you the budget on a silver platter.

Another one of you unstable cites is the 2% raise 160% the rate of inflation gibberish. Again confronted with a lie, you change 2% to 16% and try to gloss over the lie with a tedious amount of more gibberish. Diareah of the mouth, almost seems to be a chronic condition.

And you continue, to this day, lie about what an STPD cop cost taxpayers in 2011. I understand the math is difficult, I explained it to you and the readers ad nauseum.
THE BASE SALARY AND BENEFITS IN 2011 IS $156,532.26. I know, I know, you don't like lots of numbers and decimal points. Mathematically impaired and all. AND that is every single "benefit"(the town paying into FICA is not a benefit really, but i used it to raise the average as high as possible), not just health and dental. That totals $130,068.60.

I have asked you to disengage until you are fully capable, again you clearly are not.
You still have no understanding of the topic, let alone what the topic is actually about. It is quite clear that this is not a salary problem with you, you have some demented vendetta against the STPD cops, proven by your desire to bring in the SCPD which would cost the taxpayer 400% of their current tax bill for service. Interestingly enough, since you beat the taxpayer revolt drum, the PD tax in 2009 was 4.44%, in 2011 it was 3.77%, in 2013 it was 3.6%, and finally in 2017.....3.46%

I paid a grand total of $$312.75

Suffolk county residents saw their PD taxes go up $58.65 this year alone.

http://www.longislandernews.com/the-long-islander-archives/legislators-sound-off-on-suffolks-306b-budget

You have no idea what you are arguing. You are lost. You are ill equipped. You are essentially spinning statements trying to find one that sticks as if to almost seem valid.

NOW go away. You are done here.


@Fore

"Your erroneous belief that I "use animal sounds as a prop" is not unexpected, being illustrative as it is of the misperception that characterizes all of your observations. "
HHS 4/10/18 9:08am


"to Bayman3142:

MEOW. "
HHS 4/9/11 8:49pm

Current enough for you? My favorite part is how you never have anything constructive to contribute, just a quick click of the "likey" button and some ignorant statement. You like HHS ideas so much, move into the county and fork over some cash. Otherwise FACT check before you continue to look foolish.
" Apr 16, 18 11:32 AM

@ HHS

It is true that you have stomped your feet and pumped your fists while repeatedly stating "THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT TO SAY". over, and over, and over again.

Unfortunately for you, your false statements are locked in for all to actually see.

It is clear you just don't like the STPD, and will say anything true or false to try and sway the reader into your petty, irrelevant, childish point of view. All the facts are listed. I applaud the town for lowering my portion of the Police portion of my tax bill by almost 1% while still affording the men and women of the department a modest pay increase.

Bravo." Apr 16, 18 5:59 PM

@HHS

You corrected because I called you out, only reason.

And yes, it's true, your the only mythomaniac who has steadfastly made IRRATIONAL, ilogical, childish, petty, and down right mind numbing statements in regards to the STPD.

" Apr 17, 18 3:02 PM

@HHS

Easy-peasy.

Follow along and see above." Apr 18, 18 7:49 AM

Seriously?

Because I used cites to prove a point?

What's the explanation for removing my statement editors. " Apr 19, 18 1:32 PM

@z

Welcome back lightning bug, figure out what the greatest cause of death and war in human history is yet? Maybe try to get a good night sleep on it sparky.

@HHS

AGAIN we enter the hat spin zone. You really need to do some research before displaying you ignorance brilliantly.

You use the top 32 on the town payroll to spin this $195k average
"$195,000/yr. - - - the top 32 spots on the town payroll? "

That is ALL ranks of the department, not cops like you would have the reader believe.

Definition of "cop"
cop noun
1. a police officer.

Understand the titles if you wish to sound less doltish.

Then you use NYPD cops $91k, which is BASE PAY, against STPD lieutenants, captain, sergeant, detectives.

This equates to FAKE NEWS, something you are so familiar with.

APPLE'S to APPLE'S, base pay (top)STPD $121,000
Base pay (top)NYPD $87,424

(Banned cite)

ALSO, Suffolk county police tax is 2.95% per $1,000.00
Southampton Town police tax is 0.38% per $1,000.00

(More banned cites)

So your new ignorant childish ilconcieved statement would be something like this


"$255,000/yr. - - - the top 20 spots on the town payroll?

Hands for those who think that this is reasonable."
HHS (hand up proud)

Your plan of replacing the "stupendous overpaid" STPD would increase taxpayer responsibility astronomically.

And if you are not concerned about a man charged with stalking on school groundswith a loaded rifle magazine in his pocket and a loaded rifle in his car, I've completely underestimated your ignorance...it is boundless." Apr 20, 18 12:01 AM

@HHS

You have spun so much misinformation to attempt to legitimize your childish, small minded, ignorant, and petty gripe with the STPD it's difficult toremember what lie came where in the debate. (Interestingly enough, you never mention the parity between all east end PD's you little crusader you.)

It is well established, I'll say empirical fact, that math is as foreign to you as common sense. Examples would be the 2% raise is 160% the rate of inflation, then it was 16% raise is 150% rate of inflation. I could go on, but it's all in your comments for anyone who wishes to bore themselves and reread the minutia of a mathematically impaired mythomaniac.

"(Even using your OWN figures, STPD cops are paid 140% of NYPD salaries.)"
Whiskey tango foxtrot is THAT? Even for the mathematically impaired this is blatantly deceptive. Typical fuzzy math. STPD cops make 30% more than NYPD cops.

NYC cost of living 180.
Southampton Town cost of living 280.9
(Sperlings best places)

Your utterly mindless statement about tax rates is so far fetched even for someone like yourself who honestly cannot be any more far out in mind numbing statements. Do you honestly believe it would be cheaper to have the county?" Apr 20, 18 11:26 AM

@HHS

"Apologies. My statement about county/town taxes was a misconception. Taxes might, indeed, be higher. However, we would only know how much higher when an actual county tax bill were presented to residents including the assumption by Suffolk County of patrol duties."

Case Closed. Blatantly investigative incompetence, your modus operandi." Apr 21, 18 12:33 AM

Fear, Anger Grow In Wake Of More ICE Detentions

I am 100% unapologetically AMERICAN. I won't sit and apologize to any race, individual, sexual preference, native, foreign born, snowflake, "my feelings are hurt" S.O.B.

THIS is the greatest place on the PLANET to lay your head. IF you do not agree....(fore, Z) I whole heartedly support you going someplace else, ASAP." May 3, 18 10:48 PM

Nothing like a cup of coffee and a quote from a vile human being who made Hitler appear as if he were Mr. Rogers. Thanks Z, you got a real winner in Fried, your quote says so much about you.

Here is one for you....

"I have been denounced by my fellow unbelievers for stupidity, betrayal, senility and everything you can think of and none of them have read a word that I have ever written."
Antony Flew

AND, the big bang....it a lie.

Anything on that moronic "belief in God" statement?" May 4, 18 9:38 AM

Congressman Lee Zeldin Attends Opening Of U.S. Embassy In Israel

1. Who is stupid enough to bring a baby to a violent area and demonstrate.
2. The baby had a pre existing condition that caused it's death as per the Hamas medical examiner.
3. Israel has every right to defend itself, and the US could and shoild take notes. ALL Israelis are militarily trained at the age of 18,, unless they get a special exemption. 77% on average serve their country, and develope national pride, They are not sitting in mom's basement waiting for someone to do something for them.
Sounds like a great idea.

Blame the Parent, where the blame belongs, in ALL cases above.

Go Israel!" May 15, 18 5:07 PM

Yeah, I always meant to ask you....since you so brilliantly defended your "belief in God" lie....

Prove there is NO God.

Good luck copy and paste." May 17, 18 10:22 AM

Has any scientist ever found proof that God does not exist?

Has anyone in the Bible ever laid eyes on God?

The answer is NO.

Is it explained in the Bible why?

That answer is yes. Do your homework.

I guess that means you are extremely brilliantly ignorant in my "dogma"

And your quote was

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."

Stop trying to dodge the moronic statement and pony up some proof.

Like the definition of dolt." May 17, 18 11:09 PM

So your answer to your completely asinine "Belief in God" nonsense is based on the Bible and God?

Hypocritical thinking of simple minds have done enormous damage to civilization. Sort of like placing a chimp in a room of fine china.

Did you see the "green marble"? If you didn't see it it never existed...your train of thought not mine.

And science believed the universe began in a "big bang".....then proved itself wrong,

Here are some more scientific lies for you.
Darwin's notion of heredity.
Kelvin's Earth age estimate.
Pauling's triple helix.
Einstein's cosmological constant.


"The theoretical broadening which comes from having many humanities subjects on the campus is offset by the general dopiness of the people who study these things."
Richard Feynman
" May 18, 18 9:01 AM

So it was green because your imperfect "science" says so? Some "scientists" wrote it down in a book and it's true?

Your defense of your "Belief in God" is shallow and ironic. To use God's "will" one would have to believe in God. You clearly do not, so your defense of that moronic statement laughable.

Placing that aside, let's move on to how God is the greatest cause of war.

I await your scientific response." May 19, 18 9:35 AM

Pretty much what I figured, you have no answer, "scientific" or otherwise.

I did read that science is working on the impetuous nature of sleep depraved chimps, THAT I find interesting.
Smithsonian study." May 19, 18 10:08 PM

Your probably right,whatever "scientific' answer you pull out of the air will be proven wrong by "science" in 5 years." May 20, 18 12:16 PM

Your "answer" by "science" will most likely be refuted and re "answered" by "science" while my "spider silk strand" will hold with the strength of time. Since the beginning civilizations have believed in a power greater than themselves, and it wasn't until His Son came did the answer appear.

ALL religions believe in Jesus. Judaism, Islam, Ahmadiyya, Bahá’í, Hinduism, Buddhism, and the New Age Movement.

One man transcends time and religion, your "science" barely scratches it's way across a few years in comparison, and fails itself.

You, like your "science", fails. You happen to fail more miserably.

"but as long as religion isn't a footnote in history"
Religion is living history. Even the simplest mind can see that.

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."
You have ABSOLUTELY no proof of your statement. Scientific, historical, or any other study to attribute to this nonsense. You lash out and attack me for my belief, then offer some Linux operating system that in itself is debated upon as far as a definition, seriously?

I believe in Science. True science, that cannot explain all things. That is where my God resides, in the realm beyond explanations.

" May 23, 18 12:02 AM

That's the problem with you and those like you.you spend so much time thinking you know it all and it shows.

Too many self important braggards." May 23, 18 8:22 PM

Let me know when your great all knowing tangible science cures the common cold, or even easier.....accurately predicates the weather.

Until then it seems the flying monkeys are circling under a tinfoil hat." May 24, 18 10:15 PM

"Scientists have discovered the earliest known Hebrew writing — an inscription dating from the 10th century B.C., during the period of King David's reign.

The breakthrough could mean that portions of the Bible were written centuries earlier than previously thought. (The Bible's Old Testament is thought to have been first written down in an ancient form of Hebrew.)"

Evolving society....just takes some time, eh? Hopefully whatever society you relate to finally "evolves"

MY society has been here for thousands of years. Just look at the Tel Dan inscription, my Good book has lived and breathed longer than any written history. Only ignorant fools can't see this.
" May 24, 18 10:40 PM

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin Discusses Combating MS-13 Gang At Roundtable With President Trump In Bethpage On Wednesday

John "Carlos Danger" Schindler is a known purveyor of fake news, kinda like june." May 28, 18 3:57 PM

A member of the "intelligence" community who snaps pictures of his penis and sends them to another individual, is not very intelligent. One would have to seriously question the intelligence of such an "expert" as well as the individual who would quote this "expert"." May 28, 18 4:04 PM

I never address whether it was requested or not. I address the intelligence in snapping photos of private parts and electronically transmitting them by a supposed self proclaimed "expert" in the intelligence field.

But then you carefully read my comment and saw that because of your higher intelligence. I mean, you did have that high IQ statement about the belief in God.

Thank you for the compliment. " May 31, 18 8:59 AM

Ah, the gang is all here finally. Fraternity know as Pie Dolta Dolts.

Welcome Mythomaniac in charge!

The intelligence pool for your lot just dried up with your innacurate fake news post. Feel free to snap pictures of your tiny Tim, it's just not bright to share them...and that was my comment." May 31, 18 3:58 PM

"Well, she asked for it. So, the argument about misconduct is null and void."

AWESOMENESS, add this to the moronic pile. #metoo. "She asked for it"

You two are so lost. Is it acceptable for a democratic congressman to snap photos of itsy bitsy if "She asks for it"?

How about a big movie mogul who offers a starring role "if she asks for it"

The intelligence on display IS OUTSTANDING! Truly mind-numbing proof positive of what I have been saying FOR YEARS!!

She asked for it.......PIE DOLTA DOLTS" Jun 1, 18 12:11 AM

Ah, consider me enlightened.

A married man, holding a position high up in the NSA, shows prudence in the act of penile selfies and the transmission of same to a woman he never met, because she asked for it. Truly counter-intelligent.

Since the fact that she was a willing recipient, no misconduct on the penile selfie by a government employee.

So, why the fuss over little Willy and Monica?

Thanks for losing, again." Jun 1, 18 10:39 AM

You are so correct, little willy's actions by a sitting president with that intern and a cigar were not misconduct, it was the lying that was wrong....

In your world.

" Jun 2, 18 10:54 AM

A sitting president, hero of liberals everywhere, committed the act of adultery in office, a criminal act.

Disbarred and fined $90,000.00

Misconduct

Talk to my hand" Jun 3, 18 6:04 PM

Congressman Lee Zeldin Attends Opening Of U.S. Embassy In Israel

Whoaaaaa Kelly.

A mythomaniac poster pointing fingers.....in BOLD letters?

SHOCKING!" Jun 4, 18 9:34 AM

@HHS

You LIED about the Suffolk PD as a financially feasible alternative.

You LIED about the availability to find budgets.


Further, rather than doing the honorable thing by admitting your lie, apologizing, and asking our forgiveness, you compound your felony with a self-serving, sophomoric attempt to obscure the lie by redirecting our attention to other opinions of yours that are merely prejudicial rather than plainly mendacious, and using a vocabulary not suited for the outlandish falsehoods.
" Jun 4, 18 5:19 PM

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin Discusses Combating MS-13 Gang At Roundtable With President Trump In Bethpage On Wednesday


"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
Bill

“I’m not sitting here as some little woman standing by my man, like Tammy Wynette.”
Hillary

“The great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president.”
Hillary

“It depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is. If ‘is’ means is and never has been, that’s one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement.”
Bill ( and the favorite to this day of bleeding hearts)

"The hug just continued longer than I expected. ... I felt like it was more than just a platonic hug. ... He put my hands on his genitals. ... I recall him saying that he had wanted to do that for a long time."

Former White House aide Kathleen Willey, describing in sworn testimony an alleged Nov. 29, 1993, encounter with President Clinton

"All I'll say is that the release of President Clinton's deposition was frankly one of the most reckless, reprehensible and unethical things I've seen in this town in a very, very long time. ... [T]here can be no doubt that the antagonists of the president – those who want to hurt him and hurt him badly – have done this. And it really isn't fair, and it's a terrible thing."

Robert S. Bennett, one of President Clinton's attorneys, commenting on a leak of the president's testimony in the Paula Jones case

"Do you feel like you owe her an apology," Melvin asked.

"No, I do — I do not," Clinton responded.

16 million in debt on lawyer fees and the libtards still love this dolt. Doesn't sound too far from Trump, only Trump carried out all his nonsense BEFORE entering office....tell me the difference between these two clowns lib's." Jun 6, 18 7:53 PM

Wow, big difference. Guess you did have time to fact check. My info came from the ny times 10/1/01.Funny tho, you never mention your blatant lie about misconduct. Your hero did well these past days, still shukin' and Jivin' that little willy.

Disbarrment was imminent, he took a guilty cowards way out. Justice isn't deaf, dumb, and blind like some posters I know." Jun 6, 18 11:07 PM

"Republicans screw him out of the nomination."

A la Bernie Sanders, ooopsie, that was the dems.

" Jun 7, 18 9:30 AM

I just think someone missed their meds.


For the last 9 years." Jun 7, 18 7:54 PM

Whitewater 1992

Such dolts." Jun 7, 18 11:50 PM

Point was he was/is a scumbag and people still voted for him.

Figured you miss it." Jun 8, 18 9:09 AM

@po

Sure, if you speak double down dumb.....here goes!

Used in a sentence:
"Depends on what was, was. If what was, was what was, then what was is what is. If what was, was what was before what was. Then of course is, is what is, is."

Or

" I did not have sexually relations with that girl who I will not apologize to because she doesn't deserve it, but she got what she deserved with a cigar.....now if you will excuse me...I need to meet Loretta on the tarmac to say HI!"


" Jun 8, 18 11:40 PM

DAMN.....

That shut cut and paste up in a hurry. Talk about being ***** slapped." Jun 15, 18 12:16 AM

It's cute you two having a conversation and liking each others comments.

“One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity, there ain't nothing can beat teamwork.” —Mark Twain

Good job Team!!" Jun 15, 18 11:07 AM

YAY! the little yellow team bus is here!

Associated Press
Author Mark Twain, born Samuel Clemens, in an undated photo. Twain was known for his ability to deliver an insult, often aimed at humanity in general. Among them: "One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity there ain't nothing can beat teamwork."

LA Times.

Abbey is quoted as writing this in "The Monkey Wrench Gang" 1975, on page 313.

“Well now, honey, if Love was by himself I’d say no, you wouldn’t fool him so easy. But with his Team it’s different. One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity there ain’t nothing can beat teamwork.”

Multiple sources for both authors, I chose Twain.

Some people are a living public service message that
1. Don't stand under a tree in a lightning storm.
2. 1.21 gigawatts is only good for a delorean time travel machine.

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

― Mark Twain" Jun 16, 18 11:37 AM

Crickets.

Typical left wing posturing, the ostrich." Jun 17, 18 7:14 PM

^^^^

Says the mythomaniac with 10,153 posts. Nice to see perjury is still a cornerstone of the "left"" Jun 19, 18 8:37 AM

Zeldin And Gershon Come Out Punching In First Days Of Congressional Campaign

Says the ignorant who knows not of religion. Do some homework, back up your claim that God is the single most cause of death and war....then maybe you can speak on religion. Hint....since you lied......you won't find any proof to your statement....sad......


IN GOD WE TRUST
ONE NATION, UNDER GOD
GOD BLESS AMERICA....

And the original

By the President of the United States of America.

A Proclamation.

Whereas, the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority and just Government of Almighty God, in all the affairs of men and of nations, has, by a resolution, requested the President to designate and set apart a day for National prayer and humiliation.

And whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.

And, insomuch as we know that, by His divine law, nations like individuals are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of civil war, which now desolates the land, may be but a punishment, inflicted upon us, for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole People? We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven. We have been preserved, these many years, in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth and power, as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!

It behooves us then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.

Now, therefore, in compliance with the request, and fully concurring in the views of the Senate, I do, by this my proclamation, designate and set apart Thursday, the 30th. day of April, 1863, as a day of national humiliation, fasting and prayer. And I do hereby request all the People to abstain, on that day, from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite, at their several places of public worship and their respective homes, in keeping the day holy to the Lord, and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion.

All this being done, in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope authorized by the Divine teachings, that the united cry of the Nation will be heard on high, and answered with blessings, no less than the pardon of our national sins, and the restoration of our now divided and suffering Country, to its former happy condition of unity and peace.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this thirtieth day of March, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty seventh.

By the President: Abraham Lincoln

SAD......" Jul 11, 18 6:45 PM

YAWN......

2 mythomaniacs feeding off mythonaniania.

SHOW ME EVIDENCE THAT A BELIEF IN GOD IS THE GREATEST CAUSE OF WAR AND DEATH.

That is your statement.

Back it up.
Here, let me help you two.....


ig·no·ra·mus
ˌiɡnəˈrāməs,ˌiɡnəˈraməs/
noun
an ignorant or stupid person.


" Jul 15, 18 12:46 AM

Zeldin Weighs In On Trump's Remarks At Helsinki Summit

Actually you level up over the top." Jul 24, 18 11:31 PM

THIS has been a enlightening conversation. I have discovered HHS is a devout Christian, ergo he is now a delusional psychopath according to his own lapdog Z.

The world as I knew it is tilted.

But then again Z is a lightning rod with a sleep disorder, so....." Jul 25, 18 11:17 AM

Nah, lack of dolt respect is more like it. I was copying and pasting a moronic post to see if/when the "editor" would wake up. Took a few days. I don't mind the red.....the black and white is generally pretty useless, mindnumbing, ignorant nonsense.


I see your up to 10,260.

What do you do with the little spare time you have? Google moderators are a thing of the past. " Jul 26, 18 11:58 PM

No need to try and explain how you waste your time.

You began May 26, 2009, your ex-bestie now delusional psychopath HHS (according to your "wisdom") started May 27, 2009.

Astute and observant says to get out more." Jul 27, 18 9:00 AM

AND .. welcome mythomaniac in chief. Lapdog is over on the other side of the spectrum.

12 hours.....no redline.

Hands for those who will think he will speak in circles never really achieving any substantial thought but using big words and fore and Z will "likey" it" Jul 27, 18 9:19 PM

Gershon's Comparison Of Trump's Rise To Hitler's Stokes Political Flames In 1st District Race

Somewhere there is a lightswitch just waiting to be turned." Jul 28, 18 11:43 PM

To eliminate a MORON, one needs to reveal the moron. (And his moron followers)

"Illegal immigrants are also "exempt" from taxes, via the 1099, and no real checks on the validity of their status.

How's that?" Apr 2, 10 2:33 PM"
Mr Z.

"Change the rule from being born on American soil for citizenship, and add "birthed child MUST have at least ONE naturalized, or U.S. born parent." .

Then again, maybe I'm a crackpot..." Apr 3, 10 12:06 AM"

Mr.Z

"No matter who is in any office today, they have a huge mess to clean up thanks to Ayn Rand, Alan Greenspan, and Bill Clinton, to name the top three.

Ayn Rand was a Russian born author under communism, and the post Bolshevik revolution Soviet Union. Her most famous work is probably "Atlas Shrugged", and she believed in a "lassiez faire" take on economics. Her greatest disciple was Alan Greenspan, who ran the treasury for about twenty years. His view on NOT regulating the economy allowed for shady deals, and a dark, opaque, unregulated market all over Wall St.

There was one voice of dissent, and her name was Brooksley Born, former head of the CTFC, which potentially had control over the derivatives market. She warned that an economic implosion would be the result of an unregulated derivatives market back in the late nineties. She was silenced by Alan Greenspan, Larry Somers, Timothy Geithner, Gary Ginsler, and Alan Levitt (who later recanted his behavior).

It was a COMPLETELY unregulated derivatives market that drove up the cost of everything from a bottle of milk, to a house, to a barrel of oil. Wall St. bankers pocketed millions, billions, in some cases trillions, and America, as well as the world, has paid the price for this folly.

The last straw was when Bill Clinton signed the GLBA into law, which not only changed the definition of certain marketable securites, and repealed key aspects of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, but allowed for the creation of "Mega-Banks" like Citigroup.

A boatload of good checks and balances enacted after the Great Depression by Herbert Hoover, and some really good Congressmen were repealed, and Capitalism was permitted to run unregulated, unfettered, and rampant until the market's implosion in less than a decade after the GLBA (Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) was signed into law.

Do your research, educate yourself, and sling less mud.

It WOULD behoove us all...

" Apr 7, 10 1:25 PM"

Mr. Z

I could go on, and on and on......

flip....flop.....flip....flop" Jul 29, 18 10:58 PM

@HHS

No need to debunk anything you have written, the circle you speak in ( round and round you go, what you speak of, nobody knows) has a default debunk.

You sir, are the O.G. mythomaniac in chief.

It's time you put up, or shut up. You've stated we HAD to give a terrorist state money.....give up your residence to the poor shinnecock. Stand on your values.


Or don't." Jul 29, 18 11:16 PM

Apr 21, 18 @HHS

"Apologies. My statement about county/town taxes was a misconception. Taxes might, indeed, be higher. However, we would only know how much higher when an actual county tax bill were presented to residents including the assumption by Suffolk County of patrol duties."


Let's not display your ignorance and poor investigative skills again" Jul 30, 18 9:43 AM

Apr 21, 18 @HHS

"Apologies. My statement about county/town taxes was a misconception. Taxes might, indeed, be higher. However, we would only know how much higher when an actual county tax bill were presented to residents including the assumption by Suffolk County of patrol duties."


Let's not display your ignorance and poor investigative skills again" Jul 30, 18 9:43 AM

It means someone didn't take their meds or get a good night's sleep for the past 45 years.

Right Z?" Aug 1, 18 12:02 AM

Here is your Facebook Russian collusion in a nut shell:

Exploit weak minded, ignorant, dolts to "counter protest" Americans first amendment.

This brought anger from real Patriots who want to defend our constitutional rights and brought them out to vote. They voted for Trump.( I did not, I wrote in a candidate)

So the Russians exploited the small minded into action, the Republican and Conservatives responded=Trump.

AND the small minded continue to fall for it...ergo Bernie Sander and Ocasio-Cortez. Or, they start changing party affiliations and addresses in the hope to win an election, ergo Jay and Gershy.

In the mean time we all lose numerous Police Officers lives to the false "hands up" narrative, Columbus day, statues of our historical figures, AND the first amendment right....see Ben Shapiro.

Time to educate the easily fooled.

" Aug 1, 18 9:10 AM

So you condone violence as a means to repress free speech, albeit vile speech, and claim THAT patriotism?

YOU are part of the problem.

"Getting shouted down in the public square because you're chanting "blood and soil" is the most American thing ever"

Is that all that happened? Or did they deny the right of Americans the ability to peacefully assemble with violence?

Funny how you cherry pick, did BLM respond appropriately to the false narrative that they carry to this day? Was it "Patriotc" to ambush Police Officers because of a false narrative, resorting to violence ahead of justice?

Is it American to deny one group of people the right to celebrate a proud moment in their heritage because another feels a misconceived slight?

Americans using violence against Americans is never acceptable except in self defense of person or property. Your condoning violence is as un-patriotic as it comes. Take a look in the mirror, you may have more in common with Germany circa 1938 than you think.

I've always considered you a more rounded contributor, seems the Russians have claimed another one.
" Aug 2, 18 8:57 AM

Great, let's allow Black Panthers, anti-Muslim, nation of Israel, and radical Christians to get punched in the face also.

Sounds like we shouldn't discriminate against any descriminating hate group with violence.

Your perfect world." Aug 2, 18 11:48 AM

The censors here are so unbelievable, either that or someone needs a blanky and a corner.

@fore

"If you want to quote somebody, do it right:"

I did, let's break it down for you.

"Violent rejection of the genocidal speech is acceptable to me"

YOU accept it, I defined the meaning of such, but apparently the webster's dictionary offends the "moderators" of this site.

Accept, allow, condone. Same difference...but for you, as long as someone does the dirty work for you it's OK, you'll cheer them on.

"provided the perpetrators of such violence are not exempt from the legal consequences of criminal acts."

AHHH, it's ok in your book, but not ok in the common sense law abiding citizens. So you have a double standard.

Murder is MURDER, and no, it's not acceptable in a civilized society that depends on law to survive to take the law in their own hands.

UNDERSTANDABLE yes, ACCEPTABLE....no.

AND....if you have read and understood my posts you would CLEARLY know....I did not vote for Trump, AND if an outside foreign government CLEARLY altered the election by submitting FALSE information and CHANGING the vote to go one way or the other, then YES it is the responsibility of the government to act.

That INCLUDES the prosecution of all parties....I.E. Obama, who had advanced knowledge of foreign influence but did nothing to prevent it.

@fred

The grownups are talking here." Aug 4, 18 12:37 AM

I suppose that's as close to an apology for calling me out as I will receive. My reading comprehension skills are not so bad after all.

"Also, I can't help but notice that you would require such a conspiracy between a foreign government and a domestic political campaign to actually "change the vote." For me, and in my understanding of the statute, it's enough that a thing of value was solicited or accepted, for example ad buys or opposition research."

"For me, and in my understanding of the statute, it's enough that a thing of value was solicited or accepted"

Fore, if a foreign government has information on a candidate for POTUS that is so detrimental to that candidacy, why would it be a criminal act to supply that information. If it happened to be England who had such valuable Intel, would it still be such a criminal act? I understand supplying it to another candidacy is improper, but as we have seen over the course of this investigation, multiple agencies were not acting in a completely unbiased manner. (Investigative and media)

"for example ad buys or opposition research."
Ad buys or research are completely different and poor examples of your sentence. A piece of valuable intelligence is a singular thing, ad buys or research are too simplistic to be considered criminal. The U.S. has been influencing foreign government and their elections for decades.

All but 4 polls had HRC trouncing Trump in the election. THAT didnt change until election night with the results. If ad buys influenced the general election, it did minimal damage. HRC did more damage to her own candidacy than any outside force, "bucketful of deplorables" really?

I would have hoped by now the investigation would have ANYTHING if what DT did was indeed criminal to begin a process to remove him. I don't think ANY poster here wants a criminal as POTUS, at least I hope not.

As for Obama, if it is found that he was aware of this "foreign criminal influence", he did not act to protect the American people and is an accessory to the crime and a traitor to the United States of America." Aug 4, 18 10:12 AM

@fred s.

You make me giggle when you talk tough. So cute. " Aug 5, 18 1:06 AM

I find in life, there is a very thin line between sickness and stupidity. The stupidity comes from a lack of comprehension and a "diarrhea of the mouth". Can you understand?

MAYBE IF I SPOKE MORE SLOWLY IN ALL CAPS." Aug 5, 18 5:42 PM

What? Do you want me to embarrass you again?

Apr 21, 18 @HHS

"Apologies. My statement about county/town taxes was a misconception. Taxes might, indeed, be higher. However, we would only know how much higher when an actual county tax bill were presented to residents including the assumption by Suffolk County of patrol duties."


Let's not display your ignorance and poor investigative skills again.

You need a blanky and a corner to feel safe again, don't come out and play with the big boys, you've done it again and again with the same result. An admission of ignorance." Aug 6, 18 12:15 AM

@HHS

Only recently have I had the pleasure of debating a poster with a deeper ignorance. BUT.....you still are a very close second." Aug 6, 18 8:22 PM

I cannot explain how honored I am that you two can take the time from your busy schedule of gibberish, dictionaries, and sleep deprivation to come out in support of fred s.

Birds of a feather.

@z

Here are two words for you to research, 10,305 posts and counting.

bái mù.

@HHS

And here are two words for you, Ms. D.O.M.

bái làn

For the others like myself, you know who you are, remain.....

top krian" Aug 7, 18 9:35 AM

@HHS


bái làn

(Chinese: 白爛; literally: "white rot"), which describes a post completely nonsensical and full of folly made to upset others, and derives from a Taiwanese slang term for the male genitalia, where genitalia that is pale white in colour represents that someone is young, and thus foolish.

investigative skills....let's see how Z does with his.

(I'm not holding my breath, he once mocked a 9/11 first responder with cancer, and then that whole God thing.)" Aug 7, 18 6:46 PM

Your ignorance is overshadowed by you inability to tell the truth.

Your "belief in God" statement was past and current timing, and your use of the Bible to attempt to explain a moronic statement, ignorant statement speaks volumes

Maybe this will help you remember the mocking tone you showed that 9/11 responder.

"Polmic anyone?"

Blankly, cookie, corner. Its safer for you." Aug 8, 18 6:29 AM

That is not proof or example of your outright ignorant statement, which is all I am asking for. I could give two if you believe or not.

You made a statement, made some claims about me, and have yet to offer 1 shred of evidence to prove anything you said.

And there in lies your ignorance, and the fact that you absolutely did in fact mock a 9/11 responder with cancer.

10,317 statements of ignorance and counting..." Aug 9, 18 9:02 PM

10,318

" Aug 10, 18 9:37 AM

@z

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."
Or
."The crux of the issue is that when you enslave a being, it's worse than murder"

Both in regards to the Christian belief.

Both your statements. Please choose just 1 and offer proof.

Just 1." Aug 10, 18 8:41 PM

Not simple, I think he meant ignorant." Aug 12, 18 7:56 PM

I couldn't keep this one to myself all the way up on the thread, I had to share a good laugh.


@z

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."
Or
."The crux of the issue is that when you enslave a being, it's worse than murder"

Both in regards to the Christian belief.

Both your statements. Please choose just 1 and offer proof.

Just 1. Aug 11, 18 8:41 PM appended by Bayman3142
I also happen to be an "other" z, my phenomenal senses detect B.S. and the artist with 100% accuracy. Hold on....I sense a tingle when you respond....

LMFAO!!

God in quotes.....THAT is your proof? The fact that an agnostic/atheist places God in quotes and it's this "quoted" God that is the greatest cause of death and war in HUMAN HISTORY? sheer idiocy. Makes no sense AT ALL.

where in the world did you find "God on the throne" as a empirical cause of war?

AND THEN...slavery is older than christianity?

WHAT?? How does that make it worse than murder, because it's old?" Aug 13, 18 9:03 AM

Here is Z' answer,

God is in quotes in the first one, so you're dead wrong on the first statement. There has also been "God on the throne" in human history. Slavery is older than Christianity, so wrong again.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
By Mr. Z (10320), North Sea on Aug 12, 18 8:17 PM" Aug 13, 18 9:05 AM

Lee Zeldin Declines Invitation To Forum On Morality Organized By Local Interfaith Clergy Group

Ahhhhh....refreshing that the resident expert on all things religious pipes in.

Since your good at explaining religion and all things God in quotes, can you explain what "God on the throne" has to do with war and death?

And then how the age of Christianity makes slavery worse than murder?

Here...I'll make it easy for you, somone once said....

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."

."The crux of the issue is that when you enslave a being, it's worse than murder"

"God is in quotes in the first one, so you're dead wrong on the first statement. There has also been "God on the throne" in human history. Slavery is older than Christianity, so wrong again."

Yeah, I know, what doltish speak is THAT?!?

This person has a history of the "POST AND RUN" or the standard "You wont understand" to separate from the idiocies of the post.

They also feel they are on another phenomenon sensing level than the average Joe.

Crazy, I know, but this individual has posted 10,325 times and the arrogance is only outweighed by the ignorance.



" Aug 14, 18 9:26 AM

President Donald Trump To Fly Into Gabreski Airport On Friday

It is "you're" not your. The combination of "you" and "are" becomes "you're"

So what you meant to say fred

"You are the best" or "you're the best."

Maybe next time." Aug 16, 18 9:09 AM

The problem with the left is the lack of rational cognitive thought. (Bernie Sanders,
Ocasio-cortez, mr z)

For example. "Free" health care for all Americans. If "free" means the doctors, nurses, staff, don't get paid, great! That's not going to happen. SOMEONE is going to pay, and it's the American taxpayer. Imagine the overwhelming influx of illegal immigration, who do not pay into the "free" health care system. Who pays for them?

"Free" college education. See above.

But the left speaks about a tax cut that has so far had positive results as "unsustainable"

How does $42 TRILLION, yes T, sound over 10 years. That is where the left is moving toward on a platform of healthcare and education. Obama has already proven a lack of fiscal responsibility in Obama care.

How about this one...

May 2016, the left's hero Obama supports "gender neutral" bathrooms in American schools, opening the door for boys in girls room, girls in boys rooms, X wherever it wants to pee.

Lefty NYC Mayor Bill creates 31 genders. 31, 31 genders. From 2 we went to 31. And the left rejoiced! THEN decided to fine property owners and employers $250,000.00 for the use of improper nouns when referring to one of these new 31 genders.

Little big brotheresque, no?

Crapbook one ups Billy liberal.....56 genders, insanity. I can see it now, first time mom and dad in the birthing room, doctor holds up "it", have to wait to see what "it" will be referred to as, and says "IT'S ALIVE".

Ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong, the right has a few crackpots. I've never paid any attention to what this Alex Jones loser has said.

The government is running the weather? Really. Difference is Alex Jones is not in a position to force law on Americans. Influence voters? That's questionable.

And after all this time DT doesn't realize he sounds like an ass on his Twitter, can't someone take his BlackBerry? And it's top of the hour news worthy.

You have Antifa preventing free speach with violence (I have yet to hear 1 member of Antifa speak intelligently, see Michael Isaacson), which brings out the neo-nazi, and it's sensational news story after sensational news story.

Chicago is mired in violence and death. Nobody cares. 45 police officers out of a total 95 died violently, so far this year. Not as important as a tweet.

We all need to get a grip. Me included.

America 2018.
" Aug 16, 18 10:21 AM

NY Times Poll: Zeldin Leads Gershon, 49-41, In Upcoming Congressional Race

What's funny is you sounding like chicken little.

Lefties are acting like animals in restaurants, socialist/lefty/dolt candidates are calling for mob rule, and nobody can shut up bill "the original predator in chiefs" wife, "I'll take few million to speak cause I'm broke from the evil right wing conspiracy to bring down my sexually deviant husband" Hillary.

Your post would be relevant if it wasn't so F****** (il)liberal.

" Oct 26, 18 11:56 PM

Left wing terrorists are killing at a rate of 2.6 to 1 since 2016.

The face of your "right-wing domestic terrorist" is a 56 loser who lives in his moms basement.

The left has James T. Hodgkinson III, Kori Ali Muhammad, and your poster boy Micah Johnson.

Now instead of acting as a illiberal jack , why not just denounce all acts of terrorism, foreign and domestic, left and right.

Hillary was a dumb choice, get over it. I had to get over dumb dumb DT. At least the Republicans attempted to stop this disaster twitter freak. You all rigged it so Hillary would be the criminal candidate that no one could stomach.

Congratulations.

You all sound like such true Americans." Oct 27, 18 12:31 AM

@Fred s, @z

Your copy and paste skill is to be commended. It shows that Forbes has some smart cookies writing for them.

Unfortunately, you only read what you want to see, like a lot of posters here.

Here, let me break down my comment to make it easier for you two.

1.Left wing terrorists are killing at a rate of 2.6 to 1 since 2016.

First, look at the year I referenced, the year everything that could have gone wrong for little snowflakes who bought into the democrat con job that made mother Hillary your candidate and left the rest of us with the lesser evil.

So, how many left and right terrorists murders occurred SINCE 2016. You should know, you pasted in your post, proving me CORRECT not wrong. Here it is for you....

"Left Wing terrorists killed only 23 people in terrorist attacks during this time, about 0.7% of the total number of murders, but 13 since the beginning of 2016. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have only killed five since then, including Charlottesville. Regardless, the annual chance of being murdered by a Left Wing terrorist was about 1 in 330 million per year."

OK, we have 13 on the left, 5 on the right.......are you following along here?

2016....13....5

Let's get to some math. If you double 5 you get 10. That is a 2 to 1, but it's not what we have. We have 13. So....DIVIDE 13 by 5.....2.6.

So. Left to right since 2016 is 2.6 to 1.
My facts are spot on.

In the 1980's left wing terrorist in the U.S. accounted for 3/4 of all domestic terrorist attacks.

I narrowed it to since 2016 because that's the year all of you left wingers think evil began and gave rise and legitimized scum like michael isaacson, the uncivilized activity of mob mentality and chasing people from restaraunts because apparently they are not allowed to have a difference of opinion. Using violence to suppress free speech, and then considering it "understandable" Dont forget its open season on our nation's Police, who aren't included in the equation but have seen an uptick of roughly 67% in fatalities and 10 times the number of ambushed killings.

Funny how Trump gets the blame for the Maryland reporters murder, but obama gets a free pass on all the murders of law enforcement.

So instead of ranting and crying on and on and on about trump this trump that for the last two years, why not act like adults and get ready for 2020 and try to bounce him out.

Whenever you two are ready to step into the real world and not some evil trump fairy tale, be careful, all this fake BS has created a real evil.

" Oct 27, 18 11:46 AM

Just pointing out your mathematical skills need polishing also." Oct 28, 18 8:59 AM

Lefties are acting like animals in restaurants, socialist/lefty/dolt candidates are calling for mob rule, and nobody can shut up bill "the original predator in chiefs" wife, "I'll take few million to speak cause I'm broke from the evil right wing conspiracy to bring down my sexually deviant husband" Hillary.

Left wing terrorists are killing at a rate of 2.6 to 1 since 2016.

The face of your "right-wing domestic terrorist" is a 56 loser who lives in his moms basement.

The left has James T. Hodgkinson III, Kori Ali Muhammad, and your poster boy Micah Johnson.

Now instead of acting as a illiberal jack , why not just denounce all acts of terrorism, foreign and domestic, left and right.

Hillary was a dumb choice, get over it. I had to get over dumb dumb DT. At least the Republicans attempted to stop this disaster twitter freak. You all rigged it so Hillary would be the criminal candidate that no one could stomach.

Congratulations.

Robert Bowers was anti Trump.

Obama found a captive audience in Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley when he sent "kick when there down" to a criminals funeral.

We could go on and on pointing fingers, but as long as the left maintains its virgin white innocence BS and owns up to shut up, round and round and round we go." Oct 28, 18 9:09 AM

**YAWN**

you two are made for each other. Unintelligible, unintelligent, pure doltery at its pinnacle.

1 dolt is all about short attention spans, the other decades, and neither close to a legitimate thought.

Give Mikey Avenatti a call, he has a lot more on the top floor than you two.

Oh...and addressing your disingenuous time references below Fred s....let me help you with time now seeing as we went over reading comprehension, mathematics, general wisdom.

In November 2016, 1 year and 11 months ago, DT won the election, time frame the thumb sucking lefties think the world ended.

I stated statistics from 2016, the chicken little sky is falling, snowflake, grab a blanket and a binky year the world ended. Now....remember 1 year, 11 months.

"From Quartz........ In total, extremists killed at least 34 people in 2017."
Fred s

"To add.this backs up Batman’s weak claim. Taking statistics in such a small time frame is disingenuous"
Fred s.

2016, 2017, 2018....my time frame is longer. That's math AND reading comprehension cut and paste jr.

And z....

Come on back when you have an answer to the belief in God thing. Never read Breitbart, beginning to think it's more believable and intelligent than at least you two.

try getting out more." Oct 29, 18 12:09 AM

What's Next For Perry Gershon

Fred s. You're (notice the hyphen joining you and are. If YOU can not differentiate between your and you're) the reason we can't have intelligent debate." Nov 18, 18 12:13 AM

Shinnecock Harvest Festival Brings Heritage To The Forefront

Politacal correctness would dictate the Norse were here in 1000 AD. " Nov 20, 18 11:15 PM

Residents Ask For Vote To Add Armed Guards At Eastport-South Manor Schools

I like when dopey fred calls posters moron....makes me giggle." Dec 12, 18 12:07 AM

"I like it when you post facts on crime that aren’t backed up by facts."
Dopey.

"1.Left wing terrorists are killing at a rate of 2.6 to 1 since 2016.

First, look at the year I referenced, the year everything that could have gone wrong for little snowflakes who bought into the democrat con job that made mother Hillary your candidate and left the rest of us with the lesser evil.

So, how many left and right terrorists murders occurred SINCE 2016. You should know, you pasted in your post, proving me CORRECT not wrong. Here it is for you....

"Left Wing terrorists killed only 23 people in terrorist attacks during this time, about 0.7% of the total number of murders, but 13 since the beginning of 2016. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have only killed five since then, including Charlottesville. Regardless, the annual chance of being murdered by a Left Wing terrorist was about 1 in 330 million per year."

OK, we have 13 on the left, 5 on the right.......are you following along here?

2016....13....5

Let's get to some math. If you double 5 you get 10. That is a 2 to 1, but it's not what we have. We have 13. So....DIVIDE 13 by 5.....2.6.

So. Left to right since 2016 is 2.6 to 1.
My facts are spot on.

In the 1980's left wing terrorist in the U.S. accounted for 3/4 of all domestic terrorist attacks.

I narrowed it to since 2016 because that's the year all of you left wingers think evil began and gave rise and legitimized scum like michael isaacson, the uncivilized activity of mob mentality and chasing people from restaraunts because apparently they are not allowed to have a difference of opinion. Using violence to suppress free speech, and then considering it "understandable" Dont forget its open season on our nation's Police, who aren't included in the equation but have seen an uptick of roughly 67% in fatalities and 10 times the number of ambushed killings."


Let me know if I should use smaller words." Dec 12, 18 8:39 AM

Fore, open the data to the start of the nation, Democrats were by far the leaders of political violence. The two of you are so fragile.

2nd ammendment is here to stay, besides the fact changing it will just allow the black market for guns richer.

Protecting our children by placing trained armed guards makes perfect sense, and as of right now, the easiest and quickest way to do so before another tragedy.

You two can't see past a lost election and would rather not protect the schools and sit back throwing temper tantrums until you get your way and change gun laws. Guards can always be removed if something changes. It's called common sense, something lost on the both of you.

Your fragile view on "baby it's cold outside" is also ignorant. The song was written in 1944, with 1944 moral values. You interpret the song with 2018 moral values, far, FAR, less than 1944. If penned today, by let's say....snoop dog and cardi b....it would be a #1 hit promoting the Bill Cosby ideal date.

Applying your snowflake view:

A Charlie Brown Christmas should go, Linus gives a biblical quote. Not safe for today's moral view, and the kids aren't very nice to Charlie.

Throw Rudolph out, same bullying and non inclusive narrative detested by today's fragile minority.

Forget about A Christmas Story....the bullying and violence and gun violence against black bart...oh my!

Your ideal Christmas would be something along the lines of all 58 gender facebook accepted X's celebrating festivus, with the only acceptable topic of conversation so as to not hurt any feelings, debate on which is more adorable, kittens or bunnies.

Oh, and fred, your village is calling.

" Dec 13, 18 9:24 AM

Cap On Foreign Workers Lifted For 2019 After Outcry From Business Owners

1. "The vast majority enter the country legally, then overstay their visa."
False

2. "They just remain here "illegally".
False

3. "not only can you not fix stupid, but it makes being wrong harder to accept"
Proven in 11073 stupid posts.

Here is the truth:

"Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute, told us in an email that recent DHS reports include data limited to foreign visitors who arrived by air and sea crossings, but not by land.

"They do not tell you anything about the full population of overstays," she wrote.

She said a 2017 study by the Center for Migration Studies, a nonpartisan think tank, is more helpful.

That report estimated visa overstays in 2014 accounted for 42 percent of the total undocumented population, or about 4.5 million people. It also projected that overstays made up about two-thirds of the total number of people who became unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. that year.

McCarthy’s claim of "half" is not far from the 42 percent figure."

"Our ruling

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy recently claimed "Half of everyone that’s here illegally (in the US) came here legally on a visa and have overstayed their visa."

Past fact checks found this statement and ones like it are generally correct. But they cautioned that the claims mainly rely on figures from a 2006 report, which used federal immigration data from the mid-1990s.

More recent Department of Homeland Security reports don’t offer the full picture of foreign visitors who arrived on visas.

A 2017 report by the Center for Migration Studies, however, gives a more current look at visa overstays. It shows McCarthy’s claim, while it should have been couched as an estimate rather than a statement of fact, is on the right track.

It projects overstayers were 42 percent, or nearly half, of the country’s undocumented population in 2014.

Finally, with the decline in illegal border crossings, it’s fair to estimate that visa overstayers now account for an increasing share of the country’s undocumented population.

We rate McCarthy’s statement Mostly True."

Politfact 8/24/2018 @ 4:15pm

"Vast majority" complete Bullxxit, goes back to doing some research, a learned skill that takes practice. Perhaps a step away from the keyboard and a purchase of "Researching online for dummies" by Reva Basch?" Apr 11, 19 9:11 AM

The dumb get dumber every day. Reminds me of an old saying " how'd they fit so much stupid in one head?"

CMS is a member of the Scalabrini International Migration Network (SIMN), a global network of 270+ entities that provide services to migrants, including shelters and welcoming centers in receiving communities. CMS is also a member of the Scalabrini Migration Study Centers, a network of think-tanks on international migration and refugee protection.

Of course this makes this a legitimate source silly.

What was that definition of dolt again?" Apr 14, 19 10:55 PM

State Supreme Court Issues Temporary Restraining Order Against Shinnecock Billboards

@polandspring:
Let me see if I can understand your simplistic understanding of what constitutes crime. You claim, boldly and quite incorrectly, that ALL this land was "STOLEN" from the native American. That is not possible because they migrated and settled here, just as the Viking Lief Eriksson had 400 years prior to Columbus, and then the Europeans.

The native American is from a single migration and descends from Ancient Beringia. This SINGLE migration of ALL native Americans originated in east Asia, namely Siberia.
The original lands of ALL native Americans is in Siberia, so, maybe Vlad will hear your complaint of stolen lands and return to the native American some nice area of Siberia.

Now if the native American can prove ownership to the beginning of time, that's a different story, but a "I got here first" defense is something I've heard children squabble in a playground at a swing, but when it comes to land masses it usually is the stronger, smarter military that determines who owns the land.

" Jun 1, 19 5:14 AM

@Poland
I did not realize a history lesson passed as classist or racist, just informative to the ignorant.

Speaking of which, please read my comment carefully. I never addressed the sign issue. My comment addresses the native American attitude of ALL this land is mine.

Any native American can own land. It's called a mortgage. "Technically" is an ownership term.

I hope this clears things up for you. Ignorance truly isn't bliss." Jun 1, 19 1:07 PM

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