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Hills Opponents Offer Alternative Plan For East Quogue Property

Mark Hissey said;“It’s like trying to force us to open a steak restaurant when we’re good at making Italian food.”

Yes Mark, it is as if you bought a book store, zoned for a book store, and you want to open an Italian Restaurant and the environmentalists have pointed out that a steak restaurant would be much better for the community.

So maybe you change to a steak restaurant or start learning how to sell books, " Dec 9, 16 6:41 AM

Dr. Gobler Says Luxury Golf Course Resort Would Leave Larger Nitrogen Footprint Than Subdivision

I note this is your first post here, welcome.

The citizens in East Quogue, the Town of Southampton, and the region are overwhelmingly against this mega development in the Pine Barrens.
The dozen or so proponents of it are either currently doing business with the developer or hope to. Understandably, construction companies, real estate brokers, restauranteurs, etc. I'm betting you fit in one of those categories. Dr. Gobler was brought on board by then Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst because of the respect he has earned in the entire community. He has said nothing for over two years. Finally, he tells us that this development won't work, a golf course resort isn't the best option. Assemblyman Thiele says "I don't think there is any merit to it". Ms. Fleming says " I think its a bad deal for the Town and its not well - suited for our community". And you want the Press to express both sides of "this will poison our groundwater, our bays, and destroy our resort economy" for some short term benefit to whatever your business interests are? " Jan 11, 17 6:51 PM

Dr. Gobler said the experiment proposed by Discovery, fertigation, has never been done in the United States. He said, based on recent information, is, not may be, three fold less effective than what is predicted by the developer. If you weren't at the East Quogue Citizen's meeting take a look at the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQVpXzvZ7R8. Or take a look at the January 10th video when it comes on line.


There are thousands of pieces of correspondence in Southampton Town Hall against the project. Speakers at public hearings have been consistently three to one against. With many of the speakers "for" acknowledging they are from out of the area. Letters to the editor have been three to one against.

I am not aware of a single elected official publicly suggesting the project is beneficial on any level.

If that is not overwhelming I stand corrected. " Jan 11, 17 10:29 PM

This reminds me of your first DEIS and the scientists you used as references who, when asked, simply crushed Discovery's environmental practices as virtually non-existant.

So I did a rudimentary google search on fertigation as you suggested:

"Fertigation is the injection of fertilizers, soil amendments, and other water-soluble products into an irrigation system."

It is NOT taking water out of the ground and then by respraying into the ground removing th nitrogen and/or other toxins that may be in it.

And Dr. Gobler knows that." Jan 13, 17 11:03 AM

This reminds me of your first DEIS and the scientists you used as references who, when asked, simply crushed Discovery's environmental practices as virtually non-existant.

So I did a rudimentary google search on fertigation as you suggested:

"Fertigation is the injection of fertilizers, soil amendments, and other water-soluble products into an irrigation system."

It is NOT taking water out of the ground and then by respraying into the ground removing th nitrogen and/or other toxins that may be in it.

And Dr. Gobler knows that." Jan 13, 17 11:12 AM


The GCSAA reference above doesn’t say a golf course and 118 homes averages 150 to 200 acres, it says a golf course averages 150 to 200 acres. So the fragments of space between the fairways, that others would call roughs, you are now calling “Out of play areas” even though your DEIS claims them as natural, un-fragmented, and preserved.

" Jan 13, 17 11:17 AM

People paid to speak.
Mr. Hissey, can we agree that you are a paid employee of Discovery Land? As is Mr. Bruyn (attorney) and Mr. Voorhis (consultant), and Mr. Grosser (Consultant) and Ms. Insalaco (public relations). Will you acknowledge there are other paid employees of Discovery who have spoken and NOT identified themselves as employees of Discovery? Can we also agree that at least 5 real estate brokers are included in your calculations including Mr. Oxman who has done transactions with Discovery?

And in this post you call Bob DeLuca, President of the Group for the East End, an out-of-towner, when in your first DEIS you claimed to be a member of his Board? And Richard Amper who's association seeks to protect the pine barrens that are critical to our aquifer. I am not aware that any of the speakers against have anything personal to gain except clean air, clean water, and a commitment to the way of life critical to the east end economy." Jan 25, 17 1:01 PM

Mr. Hissey
Your reference to Audubon International is just perfect!! Audubon International was founded in 1987 and is a organization funded by golf course owners promoting golf courses by trying to fool people into believing they are the Audubon Society founded in 1905. They have nothing to do with the Audubon Society. Another fraud.

And as to your people speaking at public hearings and your outrage at being accused of having people paid to be at the meetings:

Mr. Hissey, can we agree that you are a paid employee of Discovery Land? As is Mr. Bruyn (attorney) and Mr. Voorhis (consultant), and Mr. Grosser (Consultant) and Ms. Insalaco (public relations). Will you acknowledge there are other paid employees of Discovery who have spoken and NOT identified themselves as employees of Discovery? Can we also agree that at least 5 real estate brokers are included in your calculations including Mr. Oxman who has done transactions with Discovery?

And in this post you call Bob DeLuca, President of the Group for the East End, an out-of-towner, when in your first DEIS you claimed to be a member of his Board? And Richard Amper who's association seeks to protect the pine barrens that are critical to our aquifer. I am not aware that any of the speakers against have anything personal to gain except clean air, clean water, and a commitment to the way of life critical to the east end economy." Jan 25, 17 9:31 PM

McAllister Offers Opinion On Hills Proposal, Says PDD Plan Would Have Less Impact On Environment


The former bay keeper is not a scientist. He says "It has been used before.It's not new science". It (using contaminated groundwater to irrigate a golf course to reduce nitrogen) has NOT been used before. What is proposed IS NOT SCIENCE. It is an experiment. An interesting experiment, but an experiment none the less. In the Pine Barrens over the aquifer is not a place to try an experiment.
" Feb 18, 17 11:11 AM

Lion, as it appears you understand the issue I can only conclude you are trying to mislead your readers. The process proposed here does not use effluent (wastewater) it proposes using groundwater. And phytoremediation is used to clean toxic waste sites, not the toxins added to the turf of a golf course.
And if you don't plant the turf in the first place you don't have to worry about cleaning it up." Feb 18, 17 4:24 PM

Southampton Press 27East January9, 2017 Headline

Dr. Gobler Says Luxury Golf Course Resort Would Leave Larger Nitrogen Footprint Than Subdivision

“So you may hear that this project will remove more nitrogen—but data show that is not the case,”

Dr. Gobler also said at Town Board Special Meeting:
If I use the best available science, and I go through all the numbers, and they use egregious amounts of lawns to be fertilized. The numbers that I got shown, that even if you have full-time occupancy and 120 homes with big lawns, it's still not as much nitrogen as The Hills has proposed.

You can see Dr. Goblers remarks and a lot more at: www.stopthehills.com
" Feb 19, 17 3:25 PM

Dr. Gobler also said at a Special Town Board Meeting Jnuary 10, 2017

That process has brought together, I would say, some of the top minds or the top minds on the east coast of the US, individuals from the US EPA, the US Geological Survey, New York State DEC, Suffolk County, Cornell University, and I am grateful to be a part of that group as well.
We've come to what I call a scientific consensus. This isn't just a general opinion, but all these people have gotten together, two dozen people in a room, and were deciding what controls the delivery of land to sea. It's not me and my computer dreaming it up, it's everyone coming to agreement on lots of individual points, and it's all data based and it's all brand new.
We just finished the science consensus at the end of December, and so that new information can now be brought to bear as we consider how this project will affect our coastal estuaries in our coastal community here.
I had the chance to look at the DEIS and I found that I guess as a summary, what I can say is using that scientific consensus what we now know about nitrogen loading as currently proposed this project will deliver more nitrogen to our costal waters than it does presently and also more than it would compared to an as of right development.


" Feb 19, 17 3:29 PM

Lion,
You refer to the Riverhead waste treatment plant and use it to justify fertigation. Wastewater from a sewage plant is a known quantity. And it is consistent. You declare that groundwater is "likely generated by fertilizer and wastewater". So you want the community to risk its drinking water and the health of the bays on your suppositions. And you challenge those who quote respected scientists to post the data while you rely on a computer model dreamed up by the applicant.
Remarkable." Feb 19, 17 5:00 PM

But its never been done taking it out of groundwater. As Dr. Gobler said interesting experiment, but only as an experiment.

Are we going to be the guinea pigs?" Feb 19, 17 5:24 PM

A. Martin Petrovic, one of the scientists Lion suggests we pay attention to said in his review of the DEIS
Issue: As a guiding principal, The Hills should consider not using pesticides that have been classified now or in the future as possible, probable or likely carcinogenic to humans to protect works, golfers, residents, visitors to The Hills and the general public. The list of current pesticides includes: bifenthrin, carbaryl, tridiamefon, propaconazole, iprodione, prodiamine, chlorothalonil and etridiazole. That being said, if there are situations where no other control methods are available or have not work, there should be a consideration given to allow for their use under emergency set of the conditions.

So the golf course superintendent can, if the fairways REALLY look bad, make a decision to poison us." Feb 19, 17 5:39 PM

That is why we shouldn't be adding to the carcinogens being tossed into the air, into our drinking water, and to our bays. I just quoted the scientist you listed as respected. Because its being done you are suggesting its OK to do more? So that a handful of wealthy clients of the developer will have a second, third, or fourth golf club to play at.
" Feb 20, 17 11:57 AM

Southampton Town Supervisor Will Seek More Environmental Concessions For 'The Hills'

VOS,
That is not accurate. Your statement "Tests have shown that will result in a net decrease of those pollutants in the area", is not true. No tests have been done, just a spreadsheet model created by the developer. The supervisor is quoted in this article as acknowledging his problem with the developers theory. It would be, at best, an experiment. Certainly we can't afford to experiment on this scale. And the usage of fertilizer and pesticides is a direct function of how many sq ft of turf are planted. No subdivision would even come close. " Mar 29, 17 6:43 PM

You are agreeing with me. "Computer modeling has identified the flow of underground water...". Not a tested process with historical results, an experiment.

The developer says his spreadsheet says this might work. Maybe, and only if the input numbers are right. There are those who say the input numbers are incorrect. Cutting down a pine barrens forest and hoping for the best doesn't sound like a reasonable risk/reward." Mar 30, 17 4:06 PM

Locals Hike Through 'The Hills' Property Sunday

So there is no conflict that a WHB Village Board member is a paid consultant for this developer.

And a teacher in our school is telling kids that "contaminated" water from the golf course would be recycled. How did it get contaminated? A teacher is telling kids that taking down trees to build a golf course is a good thing?

This is terrifying. This is the fall of Rome. " Mar 30, 17 9:07 PM

Southampton Town Trustees Request A Role In Review Of East Quogue Golf Resort Plan

You need not have a highly evolved olfactory system to smell what you smell. This move is so transparent you would think the players trying to perpetrate this would be embarrassed. But nothing embarrasses them. $$$$$$$$$" Apr 5, 17 8:37 PM

Dr. Chris Gobler Shares Opinion, Concerns Over 'The Hills' Proposal

To those of you as puzzled as I am as to why the reporter added the last few paragraphs here on 27E that were not in the printed story and what they mean I suggest you will get all the information you need regarding this issue by reading Dr. Gobler's report.

Please read the report. It is clear." Apr 14, 17 11:07 AM

A few more words from the A. Martin Petrovic report:

"bifenthrin, tridiamefon, prodiamine, bensulide, chloropyrifos. flutolanil, propaconazole, myclobutanil, flutolanil, paclobutrazol and imidacloprid"

"Issue: High risk pesticides described above should not be use at the proposed Hills project site unless there is a very strict set of conditions defined for their emergency use plan."

So Mr. Petrovic says its OK to use carcinogenic toxic pesticides/chemicals over the aquifer and adjacent to a public school but only when the golf course has tried other chemicals to get the fairways green and they haven't worked.

Well, that makes me feel better.
" Apr 22, 17 9:15 PM


Fertigation by definition is the injection of fertilizers INTO an irrigation system.

Fertigation is NOT a method to use ground water to irrigate a golf course and use the golf course to clean the water.

Fertigation is an unproven theory created on the Developers lap top to provide a talking point and confuse the issue.

Cutting down trees in the pine barrens to plant turf? So all we need to do to clean the bays is cut down all the trees and build more golf!


" May 10, 17 10:11 AM

"Alarmist rhetoric". Really. How's this for alarmist rhetoric?

Biotoxin Prompts Shellfishing Ban In Western Shinnecock Bay
The State Department of Environmental Conservation temporarily closed approximately 1,400 acres in western Shinnecock Bay to shellfishing last Thursday, May 4, after a potentially dangerous marine biotoxin was found in mussels.

Get you head out of the sand. It's time to stop making this worse. Then we can focus on making it better. " May 10, 17 2:31 PM

Let's help inform the members of the community so that a better decision can be made.
Please give us one example, anywhere, where a forest has been cut down, a golf course planted, and irrigating the golf course with the groundwater has resulted in better water quality and less nitrogen.
Clue: Read Dr. Goblers report to get the answer." May 10, 17 4:39 PM

I won my bet. I bet a colleague that you would answer by attacking Gobler instead of answering the question posed. " May 11, 17 9:42 AM

'The Hills' Developer Selects Wastewater Treatment System

Well now I feel better, farmers who spray pesticides dress with hazmat gear in east Quogue so we should add a golf course to add to the toxic stuff being spread but without the benefit of growing crops that we eat. That's reasonable. As to turf sprayers not being large machines, you wanna get run over by one? Please tell us again. Why do we want to take down 100 acres of trees? " May 26, 17 11:22 PM

VOS, name calling? “Collective ignorance”. I’ve read the DEIS and have read the commentaries by the experts.

There is no place in the DEIS that says water is captured and removed. Nowhere. None of it.

But what an idea, lets capture the water and truck it off site, to some toxic wasteland. How much water would it be? Lets see, you line the whole golf course so no poisons get into the groundwater. So you line 100 acres of golf course and collect all the irrigation water averaging 9.4” per year for a golf course in the Northeast. The you add 50” of rain for Eastern Long Island and you get 59.4” of water multiplied by 100 acres multiplied by 27,154 gallons per inch per acre equals 161,294,760 GALLONS TO BE CARTED OFF. So you can get a guy with a huge 40 yard truck and fill it with water and let him find a place to dump it. He’s only going to have to make 19,912 trips per year. Oh, maybe he’ll need more than one truck.

Because if if you are not trucking that water offsite all of that water is going into Weesuck creek.

And you and your crew keep making outrageous false statements, saying read the DEIS, thinking no one will." May 30, 17 10:59 AM

Sag Harbor Express May 17, 2017

In East Quogue, the Hills, a PDD that calls for the construction of 118 houses and a private golf course, has drawn vehement opposition from residents who have, among other things, cited concerns it will lead to groundwater contamination.

When Mr. Schneiderman, an Independence Party member cross-endorsed by the Democrats, was elected in 2015, he joined his Democratic colleagues on the board in calling for a year-long moratorium on PDDs.

This week, after a committee spent much of the past year searching for ways to fix the law, Mr. Schneiderman said the time had come to simply pull the plug on it.

“It can’t be salvaged in a single law,” he said on Wednesday. “The PDD is simply too open-ended. Basically, any piece of land can be anything any developer envisions, and that’s not the way planning is supposed to operate.”

Mr. Schneiderman said town officials sought ways to make the community benefit component of the law “intrinsic to the zone change itself,” such as providing for an assisted-living facility, medical center, or workforce housing, and not simply “a package of goodies for the community.”


The Hills does not meet that clearly stated criteria." Jun 2, 17 3:14 PM

Discovery Land Says It Can Use Pine Barrens Credits To Increase Density If PDD Is Rejected

Mr. Schneiderman said town officials sought ways to make the community benefit component of the law “intrinsic to the zone change itself,” such as providing for an assisted-living facility, medical center, or workforce housing, and not simply “a package of goodies for the community.”" Jun 6, 17 1:47 PM

'The Hills' Developer Selects Wastewater Treatment System

The next para of the soon to be discarded PDD legislation reads:

Any monies collected pursuant to the "cash in lieu of" alternative shall be placed in a dedicated account, restricted to only those uses specifically delineated within the legislation authorizing the planned development district, and may only be allocated pursuant to a duly adopted Town Board resolution.

So, not real estate taxes to be paid by future buyers at "build out", not salaries to be paid to employees, someday, not the value of a handful of community golf outings, not a parking lot, etc., etc., etc.

Cold hard cash deposited to an account commensurate with value to developers.

And then only after the applicant proves his is the best alternative environmentally.

It's over." Jun 7, 17 4:49 PM

Fred Havemeyer To Challenge Southampton Town Supervisor In Democratic Party Primary

From the Long Island Builders Institute Newsletter November 2016:

"The LIBI Community Outreach Committee has been hard at work this month on a mobilization for Discovery Land Group’s project called “The Hills at Southampton”.

"This Outreach mobilization has been a model of how we mobilize our members. We were able to collect over 600 signatures in support of the project on petitions from our members and their employees. We were able to provide numerous speakers in support of the project and had more than 50 people in attendance at the first of what will be 4/5 public hearings.

So the employer members of LIBI get their employees to sign letters and go to a meeting. If this isn't proof that the meetings were stacked and the "letters of support" were a fraud, I don't know what is.

" Jun 19, 17 12:54 PM

From the Long Island Builders Institute Newsletter November 2016:

"The LIBI Community Outreach Committee has been hard at work this month on a mobilization for Discovery Land Group’s project called “The Hills at Southampton”.

"This Outreach mobilization has been a model of how we mobilize our members. We were able to collect over 600 signatures in support of the project on petitions from our members and their employees. We were able to provide numerous speakers in support of the project and had more than 50 people in attendance at the first of what will be 4/5 public hearings.

So the employer members of LIBI get their employees to sign letters and go to a meeting. If this isn't proof that the meetings were stacked and the "letters of support" were a fraud, I don't know what is.

" Jun 19, 17 1:00 PM

Fred Havemeyer Calls For Pine Barrens Commission To Review 'The Hills'

From the Long Island Builders Institute Newsletter November 2016:

"The LIBI Community Outreach Committee has been hard at work this month on a mobilization for Discovery Land Group’s project called “The Hills at Southampton”.

"This Outreach mobilization has been a model of how we mobilize our members. We were able to collect over 600 signatures in support of the project on petitions from our members and their employees. We were able to provide numerous speakers in support of the project and had more than 50 people in attendance at the first of what will be 4/5 public hearings.

So the employer members of LIBI get their employees to sign letters and go to a meeting. If this isn't proof that the meetings were stacked and the "letters of support" were a fraud, I don't know what is.
" Jun 23, 17 6:04 PM

Discovery Land Files 'The Hills' FEIS With Town; Developer Wants To Buy And Preserve Another 33 Acres

Majority, really??

From the Long Island Builders Institute Newsletter November 2016:

"The LIBI Community Outreach Committee has been hard at work this month on a mobilization for Discovery Land Group’s project called “The Hills at Southampton”.

"This Outreach mobilization has been a model of how we mobilize our members. We were able to collect over 600 signatures in support of the project on petitions from our members and their employees. We were able to provide numerous speakers in support of the project and had more than 50 people in attendance at the first of what will be 4/5 public hearings.

So the employer members of LIBI get their employees to sign letters and go to a meeting. If this isn't proof that the meetings were stacked and the "letters of support" were a fraud, I don't know what is.
" Jul 5, 17 3:30 PM

Discovery Land Says Additional Preservation Would Tip Nitrogen Scale In Its Favor; Gobler Still Reviewing Report

An option contract to purchase the Parlatto acreage, a sewage treatment plant for the school, a sewage treatment plant for the homes, the promise to retire pine barrens credits, all sleight of hand, misdirection, intended to distract from the real issue which is that this project doesn't work here. And with the Town about to mandate state of the art water treatment systems the only nitrogen that will remain untreated will be nitrogen required by the golf course.
Jay's must win on all points:
Nitrogen Loading(maybe), Pesticides (NO), Clearing(NO), Number of housing units(probably NO but maybe even), total square footage of buildings(NO), Traffic(NO), School Impacts(probably yes, but both seasonal),Jobs Created(yes), Property Taxes(even), Community Support(NO, unless you count LIBI as community, and then probably NO).
" Jul 15, 17 9:00 AM

Discovery Land Files 'The Hills' FEIS With Town; Developer Wants To Buy And Preserve Another 33 Acres

An option contract to purchase the Parlatto acreage, a sewage treatment plant for the school, a sewage treatment plant for the homes, the promise to retire pine barrens credits, all sleight of hand, misdirection, intended to distract from the real issue which is that this project doesn't work here. And with the Town about to mandate state of the art water treatment systems the only nitrogen that will remain untreated will be nitrogen required by the golf course.
Jay's must win on all points:
Nitrogen Loading(maybe), Pesticides (NO), Clearing(NO), Number of housing units(probably NO but maybe even), total square footage of buildings(NO), Traffic(NO), School Impacts(probably yes, but both seasonal),Jobs Created(yes), Property Taxes(even), Community Support(NO, unless you count LIBI as community, and then probably NO)." Jul 15, 17 9:03 AM

Havemeyer Files Petition, Will Challenge Schneiderman For Democratic Line In September Race

And by a few lackeys you mean:

East Quogue Civic Assoc.
Friends of Sandy Hollow Assoc.
CAC-West (Westhampton, Remsenburg, Speonk, Eastport)
Group for the East End
Citizens Campaign for the Environment
Bay View Pines Civic & Taxpayers Association
East Quogue CAC
Shinnecock Neighbors
CLEAN
Sag Harbor CAC
Long Island Environmental Voters Forum
Southampton Town Civic Coalition
Assemblyman Fred W. Thiele, Jr.
Legislator Bridget Fleming
" Jul 17, 17 9:34 AM

UPDATE: PDD Would Have Less Nitrogen Impact, According To Gobler's Latest Environmental Report On 'The Hills'

dave h you are on to something. They can't show the real acreage because the plan won't meet clearing limitations if they do. So they have areas in the middle of the golf course they claim will remain untouched natural. Sure they will. " Aug 26, 17 11:30 PM

Southampton Town Board Busy Reviewing Documents On 'The Hills' As Votes Approach

Yes, golf courses such as Indian Island that use reclaimed water from sewage treatment plants are to be commended. They are saving water.

That is not what is being proposed for the Hills. You are misleading your readers." Sep 6, 17 4:40 PM

Total double-speak Lion. No one said anything about potable water. Not part of the conversation, not for Indian Island, your example, or the Hills. The Hills is "tapping" into the groundwater. like any other irrigation well. Whether or not what they propose will be of any value is pure speculation. And it may in fact be spreading toxic chemicals it picks up along with the nitrogen." Sep 6, 17 4:58 PM

Your analogy of environmentalists concern about the effect the Hills will have on rapidly degrading water quality on LI to "overreaction" by the media is provocative.

Good analogy - terrible conclusion

Tell the 20 people already dead from this hurricane that the media overreacted.

As to the golf course and it's potential impact on water quality, It's time to devote serious resources to fixing the problem and certainly time to stop adding to the problem.

Cutting down 100 acres of pine barrens knowing what we know now would be irresponsible.

Keep ignoring LI water quality issues and watch as the beaches close and the entire east end goes into decline. Apocalyptic, yes." Sep 10, 17 4:52 PM


Hypothetical - I have my home on a little over 1/2 acre in East Quogue. The house, pool, and little lawn used up all the "clearing" i was allowed under my building permit. I want to expand my lawn by another 200 square feet. And I don't want to do what everyone else does and just take down a few trees late one afternoon in November. I go to Town Hall and ask for a hardship variance to allow me to do it. They say OK, but they add conditions: No more than 25 lbs of fertilizer per year and no more than 10 lbs of pesticide. I agree.

Then the grass is not doing so well so I buy another 25 lb bag of fertilizer and put it down and when the bugs come in August I spray some additional pesticide.

Here comes the question. Unless the Town is watching me 24/7 365 days a year how would they ever know?

Never mind what would they do? They would never know. Monitoring, other than on water that is collected, is a fantasy created by developers and politicians who want to make the public think they are being protected.
" Sep 10, 17 8:59 PM

There was no finding that the golf course development means less pollution. The only people who have read the Gobler report and came to that conclusion were Mark Hissey of Discovery Land and Amanda Bernocco the Press reporter who seems to like quoting Mr. Hissey.

As Bob Deluca (Group for the East End) said:

"In fact, the report is hardly an endorsement of the project and states without equivocation that had the additional nitrogen mitigation measures offered for Discovery’s PDD been applied to lower-impact alternatives presented during the public hearing process, those alternatives would have produced better nitrogen numbers than the PDD."

" Sep 12, 17 11:14 AM

There was no finding that the golf course development means less pollution. The only people who have read the Gobler report and came to that conclusion were Mark Hissey of Discovery Land and Amanda Bernocco the Press reporter who seems to like quoting Mr. Hissey.

As Bob Deluca (Group for the East End) said:

"In fact, the report is hardly an endorsement of the project and states without equivocation that had the additional nitrogen mitigation measures offered for Discovery’s PDD been applied to lower-impact alternatives presented during the public hearing process, those alternatives would have produced better nitrogen numbers than the PDD."" Sep 12, 17 12:39 PM

As so eloquently written in this weeks Press by Carolyn Zenk, Atty at Law:

When Supervisor Jay Schneiderman presented Dr. Gobler with a PDD plan, which relies on off-site environmental benefits to compete with current zoning, he betrayed a principle he’s repeatedly espoused: that the PDD plan must beat the as-of-right plan “intrinsically.”

And as attributed in the press to Supervisor Schneiderman himself:
"Mr. Schneiderman said town officials sought ways to make the community benefit component of the law “intrinsic to the zone change itself,” such as providing for an assisted-living facility, medical center, or workforce housing, and not simply “a package of goodies for the community.”

Your "package of goodies" is lipstick on a pig. Taking down 100 acres of Pine Barrens to build a golf course is inexcusable knowing what we know today.
" Sep 14, 17 9:41 AM

UPDATE: Southampton Town Board Signs Off Thursday On Environmental Study For 'The Hills'

Your understanding is incorrect. The developer used a loophole in the Housing Law which enabled them to avoid paying into the fund by reducing the density by one unit, which they did. " Sep 16, 17 2:09 PM

Nothing in their documents or even in their PR campaign suggests that. All we know is that they reduced the yield by one club house apartment to use the loophole to avoid the payment.
And it was never a "contribution" it was a required payment that they used a loophole to wriggle out of." Sep 19, 17 12:38 PM

Lofstad, Bouvier Reject Findings Statement On 'The Hills' Project Tuesday

Supervisor Schneider said, when asked about how limitations on chemicals would be implemented said:

"And to the degree that the town enforces the code, I hope that the town, in the future, does the right thing. It enforces the code"

So he's off the hook!

Thank you Julie and John" Sep 28, 17 12:38 PM

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