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Southampton Town Board candidates face off in final debate

Read a bit and catch up on the facts. There is no "missing" fifteen million dollars.It was a figment of the imagination of both Kabot and ATH. You want "talking points"? Look at Ms Flemings campaign rhetoric and compare it to ANY Democratic candidate running for town office over the last 30 years. It is all boiler plate babble.
There are no "superfluous" cops at SHTPD. They are cops who have completed 20 years of service who have chosen to remain.Where the word "admittedly" comes from is between you and "highhatsize". End of story. " Feb 26, 10 8:36 AM

Those "interfund" transfers are done at Town Hall, not at the Departments within the town. The deficits refered to are in no way a reflection of any managers, and you would be the first to say they are. " Feb 26, 10 8:38 AM

(1) The Supervisor may have been Republican, but the Democratic majority passed the budget, during the years when the budget went from 40 mil to 80 mil.
(2) Bridget made NOTHING clear as she still wants to "gather the community and come to a concensus"
(3) The reality is that after the money runs out, a tax increase is required to fund the position. " Feb 26, 10 8:42 AM

You were shut down because by your own words " I have no questions, but I want to make 2 statements" is not consistent with a Candidates Nights. No one came to hear your statements. They came to hear questions asked and answered by the candidates. " Feb 26, 10 8:46 AM

Once again, a Dem spin. The "inter funds transfers" were done at the Comptrollers office. It has NOTHING to do with the Town PD.
To accuse Bill Hughes of "sitting back at the office" while his "boys" are out writing tickets, tells me you have never met the man.
First of all, he had "boys" and "girls" working for him at the PD. Second, he is, and always has been an "in the trenches" kind of leader.
If you want to try spinning something, you have to have a little bit of something to reach for.
You got nothin', kid. " Feb 26, 10 8:52 AM

Still waiting for some "proof" of your outrageous claims on other threads.
To this point: Facts are Mr Walsh has stated that the reason he did not endorse Mr Hughes was (a) he prefered Fred Thieles' hand picked candidate and (b) Mr Hughes was at one time a registered Con and left. This is the way Mr Walsh chose to punish him.
" Feb 26, 10 8:57 AM

See my response above, it has EVERYTHING to do with the County Chair.
It may be difficult for you to grasp that as I am reporting the above as fact that I can back up and will gladly meet with you and do so. " Feb 26, 10 9:00 AM

Someday take the time to read Douglas MacArthurs speech to the cadets at West Point in 1962.
"Duty, honor, country" Is it so hard for you to fathom that indeed people use that as their mantra and follow it in spirit and deed?
" Feb 26, 10 12:39 PM

On this point I agreee. 5 mil is a lot of dinero. But it is not the 15 mil that you posted. And keep in mind what happened during the last few years bringing us frighteningly close to the second great depression. Home sales virtually stopped and mortgage tax revenue went from unbelieveable amounts to zero. So while 5 mil is a lot and some painful cuts will be needed to make up for it, its not the end of the world.
Spin as you like, when the grant money is gone, unless someone on the board says no, the position will be retained and that salary will come from taxes, and you darn well know that.
What Chief Overton recommended to the Town Board means zilch to me. It would have been the FIRST time in his administratrion that he sought to enforce that portion of the state retirement law. This, after he took the town to court remove himself from that provision of the law." Feb 26, 10 1:58 PM

The "pd" does not endorse anyone. The Southampton Town PBA may have endorsed a candidate, but not the PD.
" Feb 26, 10 2:05 PM

May I add publius, I am not hiding behind a name, I am Terry Flanagan, so if ( and I readily state I may be wrong here) your comments on my being at the LWV debate was a veiled attempt to call me out, you would be spitting in the wind. " Feb 26, 10 2:08 PM

There was no "personal opinion" of Chief Overton stated. I just reported some facts.

If the "foul ups" occurred "much earlier", as you state, then the blame goes to the boards when a Democratic majority controlled.

By the way, my apologies for refering to you as publius. " Feb 26, 10 6:48 PM

Apparent that you either did not read or are not capable of grasping the message in the speech.

Please expound upon your description of a conservative as "hawkish"" Feb 26, 10 6:53 PM

Easthampton elected a DEMOCRAT retired police Lieutenant.

Please expound on Ms Flemings experience in municpal finance matters.

If you want more of an explanation of his opinions on anything, he can be contracted via his website. Cal him, ask your questions and then post them here or in the forums. " Feb 27, 10 9:02 AM

Twice you state that I posted "out of context" and twice you are wrong. My response was to "peoplefirst" and thus, in context. In refering to General MacArthurs speech, it is known as "Duty, Honor, Country", again totally in context. That he was adressing cadets at West Point in 1962 was MY post, so you need not point that out to me. That General MacArhtur was a flawed human being (as we all are) is also known to me. That he was fired for wanting to start WWIII? A complete falsehood, He was fired by President Truman for insubordination. That he, or the cadets knew what the next 13 years in Vietnam would be like? I seriously doubt that, though he did warn President Kennedy not to send troops there.
Becasue I attribute certain traits to Mr Hughes does not in any way indicate that Ms Fleming does not share them. That is your fabrication. I have been nothing but respectful and courteous to Ms. Fleming, both here and in person. Inquire of her yourself in that regard.
This is "little" Southampton? With a "little" 80 million dollar budget?
For you to associate me with the Tea Party is as reckless as me associating your candidate with ACORN. Pure fabrication at the least.
Out of context is you using Mr Samuels quote. He was refering to false patriots. Is that your claim to Mr Hughes? It appears so. An Eagle Scout at 14, decorated warrior at 19, he gave up his love, that as a PJ at the 106th to better serve the residents of Southampton Town. You know nothing of patriotism, Common Sense.
I find it sad for you, that it appears that you truly do not know people who adhere to the spirit of "Duty, Honor, Country" and therefore beileve they don't exist. " Feb 27, 10 11:21 AM

Tell us how you would do it. Seriously." Feb 28, 10 8:54 AM

Well, what do you think, rocky? If he was a 19 year old in Vietnam in 1969, do the math and figure out how old he is. That should challenge you.
Now, pick up the phone and call the candidate and ask if he is just "doing this to supplement his income" Let us know how you make out. " Feb 28, 10 12:35 PM

No, what the host (me) said was I would only accept questions appropriate for the event. No one, not even you made it an issue when I said that.
The only people who didn't like that were those who would ask a question intended to spark debate not germane to Southampton Town and the election.
I was told by people on both sides of the aisle that they enjoyed the way the Q and A was done. And only you and one other had issues. " Feb 28, 10 12:41 PM

Can't fool you can I? While I am not a "member of his campaign staff" nothing I've posted here would indicate that I am an independent. Yes I am endorsing and voting for Mr Hughes. Just like fidelis, you and others are endorsing and voting for Ms Fleming.
You can spend as much time as you like looking through any websites you like to come up with a theory that bolsters your argument (or any argument for that matter) President Truman, in order to ensure civilian control over the military fired General Douglas MacArthur for publicly being insubordinate.
Continue to believe they are just platitudes. That is indicitive of your character. Now note I said "your". Not Ms Flemings, not anyone else. You thats it.
You can attempt to claim that Mr Hughes is using national issues locally, and attempt to dircredit him for that.
I find that ironic, As your side of the aisle tries to deny any connection to President Obama, Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi. Or Governor Patterson.
The pendulum is swinging, Common Sense.
All things are indeed relative. a 3.5 trilion dollar budget with 435 house members, 100 Senators and a President. vs 80 mil and 5 elected officials.
We can go on and on and on, and we are way off the initial topic Common Sense, but your spin is tiring. " Mar 1, 10 1:32 PM

Uncomfortable enough to chastise him ( Rocky) for bringing it up with no facts, but comfortable enough in your desire to attack Mr Hughes by bringing it two or three more times?
I am sure that you have read all of Rocky's comments and seen how reliable and forthright he is, correct? (can you measure the sarcasm?)
You're sinking pretty low there fidelis. " Mar 1, 10 1:37 PM

Southampton firefighter 'Eggie' Raynor dies at 82.

Via Con Dios, another thread in the fabric of the tapestry that is the East End " Mar 1, 10 2:22 PM

Southampton Town Board candidates face off in final debate

And this is the thrird time you "called him out" on this item. " Mar 1, 10 2:24 PM

These questions have been asked and answered both here and in public meet the candidates nights. I'll state here for the umpteenth time. If YOU have a question for the candidate, pick up the phone, call him, and note the answer to your questions here. Its fair, honest and you get it right from the horses mouth, so to speak.
Simple as pie. " Mar 1, 10 2:50 PM

fidelis asks:
3. How will Bill Hughes, with his long experience of structured, top-down, that's-an-order interaction in the military and the police, adjust to the back-and-forth of the Town Board, with all its discussion and compromise?
I'll let you ask him directly, or look around here for all the other answers you need, but in this one, here I go.

And what would you say of the thousands of calls he handled as a cop? Everyone of them being an opportunity, ney , a requirement that he mediate and not dictate. Or the hundreds of interpersonal events that occurred as a result of Mr Hughes' community involvement. He is a multi faceted individual, fidelis, your attempts to box him in to one aspect of his life fall short.

One of your guys tried to go here at the Flanders debate, and appeared to be be quite satisfied with the answer.

" Mar 1, 10 3:33 PM

Balance being the argument, I am looking forward to you endorsing a Republican for the Assembly, congress, and maybe the Governors mansion. You know, just to keep things balanced. Cause we all know how well things have gone in Albany since Elliot steamrolled into town. And that Hope and Change thing still needs a little of both. " Mar 2, 10 6:11 PM

Is it really so hard for you to believe that people can disagree with each other and not hate?
"A need for jobs" has never been a job of town hall to fill, nor should it be. Others on this sight say we need to keep Bishop and Thiele happy so that we get our fair share of state and fed money. What will happen, Bishop and Thiele won't come through to punish us if Ms Fleming doesnt win? They'll take the loss in November to prove a point?
The reality is, you folks want to sell the Obama/Reid/Pelosi/Patterson agenda. " Mar 3, 10 10:25 AM

In case of emergency: East End SWAT teams

"Tommy" Rudyard Kipling" Mar 3, 10 10:28 AM

Southampton Town Board candidates face off in final debate

Simply put, it is not within the area of responsibility of the town to perform such a function (job creation)
Educate me, how would anyone in town hall, regardless of party, create jobs?

Let me add Charlie Rangel into the mix. Sorry can't resist. Just your guys' turn in the hot seat this week. I will be the first to accept that we have tarnished players on both sides. " Mar 3, 10 11:35 AM

Local politicians consider congressional campaign

You aren't serious is taking highat at his word, are you TB?" Mar 3, 10 6:06 PM

Southampton Town Board candidates face off in final debate

Travesty? There are 43 people in the town who know what a "sustainablilty cordinator" is. I think it's something like a "commumity organizer" isn't it? Go ahead, go to 7-11 in the AM and ask 20 people in a row what that job title refers to.
Most people don't want the Town Board to do anything beyond balancing the books, paying the bills, and providing for those functions mandated by the state. Its that simple. They don't want or expect Town Hall to be the instigator of social change.
" Mar 3, 10 6:14 PM

Thank You fidelis for your pass.
Observant (who isn't) you are out of line and you darn well know it. If it makes you feel better, poll 20 soccer moms or dads as they drop the kids off at school this morning. Why would I suggest polling 20 day laborers in regards to this issue? I dont know anything about code words, but does not the President of the United States claim that he was a "community organizer" on his resume'? If you want to take that as some sort of a "right wing" slur, go ahead. Then go get your tin foil hat on as well.
fidelis, the point being, who has this expert ability to take a desk in town hall and start the economic engine and find jobs? If that person exists, Their abilities would be better used in the private sector or at a much higher level of government.
You are correct we do have a basic difference in philosophy, You state: "This is a succinct and accurate expression of the basic philosophical difference between us." So true, I do not think that the town is charged with job creation in the least. And I strongly doubt its' ability to do so, regardless of the party in power. " Mar 4, 10 8:11 AM

I always believed it was the policy of the Press not to print pro or con letters in the edition prior to an election.
" Mar 4, 10 6:02 PM

You may want to look into their track record, over the last 10 years or so. Their endorsement is quite often the kiss of death. " Mar 5, 10 1:16 PM

Local politicians consider congressional campaign

You have his number, call and ask him." Mar 6, 10 4:34 PM

Southampton Town Board candidates face off in final debate

Why don't you just FOIL it?" Mar 7, 10 7:36 AM

Just when and where was that kindly, inforemed intelligetn debate on factual issues?

I must have missed it. " Mar 7, 10 5:05 PM

I've adressed this issue before, also to a person who can't find the ability to indentify herself. In 1980 I took a Civil Service test. I scored a 97 and eventually got hired by the town. My wife, then a single mother took a civil service test in the late 80's and also was hired as a Police Dispatcher, working around the clock, raising her kids. My step daughter applied for and got a job with the Highway department a few years ago, as she already had a Class B license, she was an attractive candidte to the town. I know of no one else that applied for the position and didnt get it becasue my step daughter did. Do you?
And while I thank you for your concern, I have been smoke free for 66 days now. Toughest habit I ever tried to break.
And i don't see any of the above is at odds with my political affilications or philosophy.
Now, got anything substantial to add to this debate, or is it your goal to attempt, quite weaklty I would add, to attack me?" Mar 7, 10 5:13 PM

You prove your ignorance quite well on your own." Mar 7, 10 5:14 PM

Talk about talking points bable. " Mar 9, 10 11:30 AM

Southampton Town Board work session canceled

An entire post without the diatribe re cops. WOW.

But you are wrong here as well. " Mar 9, 10 3:06 PM

Hampton Bays resident William Hughes says political bid is a calling

He openly stated in the debates that he was opposed to the project at Docker's." Mar 9, 10 4:59 PM

Southampton Town Board work session canceled

Pick up the phone and ask them." Mar 9, 10 5:00 PM

Local politicians consider congressional campaign

End of discussion:

The Constitution specifically lists the qualifications necessary to become a member of the House or Senate. A representative must be at least 25 years old, have been a U.S. citizen for seven years, and be a resident of the state (although not necessarily the district) from which he or she is chosen (Article 1, Section 2). A senator must be at least 30 years old, have been a citizen for nine years, and be a resident of his or her state (Article 1, Section 3).

Any changes to above is purely motivated by politics. " Mar 9, 10 5:04 PM

Bridget Fleming wins vacant Southampton Town Board seat

wow, I knew some people were out of touch this time around, but that takes the cake!" Mar 9, 10 10:56 PM

reg rep,
Both candidates ran a good campaign. One wins one loses, thats the way it is, and you move on to the next one. Having said that, as a citizen of the town, I stand ready to give Ms. Fleming the opportunity to "show us what she's" got.
If taxes are your primary concern, look at your tax bill. Town candidates, regardless of party are put in the hot seat when taxes shoot up because of schools.
What is troubling, though, (and I felt the same in November before anyone attacks me here) is this is a classsic, "tail wagging the dog" scenario. Frank McKay, and not the voters of Southampton determined who would win this seat. " Mar 10, 10 8:04 AM

PBR, why don't you get off the sidelines for a change?

I want you to read that ad again. It essentially states thast the concept of "chain of command" or "table of organization" is nothing but poppycock. By the reasoning presented in the argument, the Chairman of General Motors is responsible only to his 2 Vice-Presidents, and not the thousands of employees under him.

PBR further bables:

Mr. Hughes's shock at losing by such a wide margin shows how out of touch he is with the public's dissatisfaction with the old Republican men's club order in Southampton.
Fill me in on this "Republican Men's Club" Would you care to see the stats on the number of women involved in the town GOP? Just for once, PBR, YOU do the work and look it up, inquire and get the answer.
The "shock" sir was real. Mr Hughes knocked on more doors than any candidate in a while in a very short election cycle. ( I wish they were all this short)
I'll repeat what I said above, this is classic "tail wagging the dog"
Both candidates ran a good campaign. Congrats to Ms Fleming. " Mar 10, 10 8:15 AM

So it is your opinion, that we ( both parties) should be held hostage to the "deal makers" from up west?" Mar 10, 10 8:19 AM

peoplefirst, in all honesty here, please show me a link that shows any kind of platform for the "Independence" party. " Mar 10, 10 8:21 AM

It isn't a matter of like or dislike re the consequences of an election. I congratulate Ms Fleming on her win, as stated elsewhere.
My challenge is to you for claiming that the Independence Party is "more in keeping with Republican ideals"
I sure do believe that the party leaders have an agenda. Independent or "blank" voters may not, but most assuredly the "Independence Party" does. " Mar 10, 10 9:40 AM

I, and others here, as well as Mr Hughes and Ms Fleming can look in the mirror today and say, "Well Done"
You and rabblerouser, however can go back under your rock where you feel most comfortable. " Mar 10, 10 2:17 PM

So then, the same applies to what occurred in November when "this is a democracy and "they" got the most votes because "they" were the better candidates." Your words paraphrased to fit the November election where the Republican/Conservative/Independence party lines won.
"This "district" has become overwhelmed with neocons?" Please explain that one. What is a district? This was a town wide election with 42 election districts.

The point that I made, was that the margin of victory was clearly due to the Independence line. Had Mr highes secured that line, he likely would have won. If you want to argue that point, go elsewhere, I am not getting onto that.

Who determined that Ms Fleming receive the Independence Line? Frank McKay who lives "up west"

Now I complimented Ms Fleming on her victory here, and that was indeed sincere. You havent heard sour grapes from me on this election or any other, no matter how you try to twist the words. The results are the results.
The voters may well determine who gets elected to office, but don't kid yourself, or attempt to act so naive, the parties determine who the voters vote for. " Mar 11, 10 8:53 PM

President signs historic health care legislation into law with Bishop's support

SHNative says:
You are not entitled to speak for what the founders wanted or did not want!

WOW. Free speech is next?" Mar 24, 10 3:38 PM

Around Southampton Town Hall

"and when the boards that are supposed to protect our natural heritage allow it to be paved over because that's what their friends want."
I'm justr sitting back watching the show TB, but can you give me an example of what you are talking about here?" Mar 31, 10 10:05 AM

Southampton Town to host flood forum

I was notified of this last week. That the Press didnt publicize it till a few hours before the event is not the fault of the town. " Apr 15, 10 6:28 PM

Officials want to use Southampton Town's Community Preservation Fund to save Stony Brook Southampton

This is just plain WRONG." Apr 22, 10 9:23 PM

Not if you support using CPF money to do so." Apr 28, 10 2:02 PM

Thiele: Stony Brook rejects idea of maintaining residential campus at Southampton

I thought the whale comitted suicide. " May 6, 10 6:54 PM

Dog poisoned; was it whale meat?

You live in your own unique world, don't you?

How would you have saved the whale? " May 8, 10 11:22 AM

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